[RESOLVED] FSL Concorde- very long time to load fuel.

[Ray Proudfoot]

Hi Umberto,

In my last two Concorde flights using the FSL’s version I’ve noticed it’s taking a very long time to load fuel. It gets close to the amount required but the last bit takes an age.

I’ve changed the Fuel Load slider from min to max to speed things up and it has helped but this is something that’s happened only recently. It only affects Concorde apparently, not their Airbus.

[Ray Proudfoot]

@virtuali, no answer to this problem yet but I see you released an update yesterday with these comments…

GSX (all versions) Change: Several Simconnect errors that were previously considered critical, are now just logged to prevent GSX stopping if they happen.
GSX (all versions) Fix: Possible error on destroyed SimObjects not created by GSX.

Do these fix the problem I reported?

[BrianT58]

@virtuali, no answer to this problem yet but I see you released an update yesterday with these comments…

You may want to try on the GSX Discord Ray, I got an answer to my question literaly in seconds the other day.

[Ray Proudfoot]

You may want to try on the GSX Discord Ray, I got an answer to my question literaly in seconds the other day.

I’m not doing Discord Brian. Umberto is a regular visitor to this forum but for reasons unknown won’t answer perfectly reasonable questions. I’m not alone in being ignored. @virtuali, where are you?

[virtuali]

I’m not doing Discord Brian. Umberto is a regular visitor to this forum but for reasons unknown won’t answer perfectly reasonable questions. I’m not alone in being ignored. @virtuali, where are you?

I was taking an extremely short vacation, and you must understand my time with P3D is very limited, so I can only give to it a percentage of the time that reflects the actual user base. Suppose you were an MSFS user: would you find fair that I would spend too much time on a platform now used by about 1% of the user base ?

In any case, the FSL Concorde is surely flagged as having a custom Fuel system in the internal GSX database. This means, unless the airplane-provided profile (unlikely) or your own customized airplane profile overrode that setting, GSX is NOT refueling the airplane!

Meaning, the time the airplane takes to refuel itself (that what happens when the airplane is flagged as having a custom fuel system), is completely unrelated to GSX, which will only stay there with the truck for as long the airplane keep increasing the fuel quantity.

[Ray Proudfoot]

#virtuali, you’re perfectly entitled to take a holiday. I don’t have a problem with that. But perhaps an announcement would let us know. I know we’re a small number these days and I do appreciate your dedication to us.

Nothing regarding refuelling on Concorde has changed from my point of view or with a newer release of the aircraft. The only change has been updates to Couatl via the Update option.

The interaction between GSX and the aircraft is beyond my understanding. More experienced users including those on the test team have also reported the same problem. But I can’t link to them as only owners can read the posts.

The only way to get the fuel truck to depart quicker is to accelerate the fuelling option in Settings. Are you saying the problem doesn’t lie with Couatl?

[Ray Proudfoot]

Earlier today I posted this on the FS Labs Concorde forum…

With Concorde positioned at the gate I decided to speed up fuel loading by using the Fuel option on the main menu to load it instantaneously. It did but then after right clicking the Ground Call button the GSX fuel truck arrived and still went through the loading process even though there was nothing to load.

Is this something in the Concorde workflow that needs adjusting to send the GSX Fuel Truck on its way or something in Couatl that has gone wrong?

Being able to load fuel instantly may not be realistic but it does help reduce time before the pushback can start.

Umberto is adamant that because Concorde has its own fuel load procedure it’s nothing to do with GSX. All it does is arrive when requested and depart when fuel is loaded. But what tells Couatl the fuel is loaded and the truck can depart?

It seems this issue can only be fixed by FSL.


@virtuali, would you agree? GSX is only doing what the FSL’s code is requesting.

[virtuali]

As I've said, the time the airplane takes to refuel itself (that what happens when the airplane is flagged as having a custom fuel system), is completely unrelated to GSX, which will only stay there with the truck for as long the airplane keep increasing the fuel quantity.

[Ray Proudfoot]

As I've said, the time the airplane takes to refuel itself (that what happens when the airplane is flagged as having a custom fuel system), is completely unrelated to GSX, which will only stay there with the truck for as long the airplane keep increasing the fuel quantity.

Yes, I agree that GSX does nothing to load the fuel for Concorde. It’s there for effect only.

But I’d like to draw your attention to this posted by one of the FSL staff a few weeks ago on the Concorde forum which is only accessible to paying customers.

“I wonder if the "removed tasklets timeout check from Python 3 engine" back in version 3.5.8 might be the reason some "tasklets" are now never ending.......!   I never look at changelogs in normal circumstances but that caught my eye.  The "GPU is arriving" one being the showstopper, particularly at remote stands/airfields.”

Might this be related?

[virtuali]

“I wonder if the "removed tasklets timeout check from Python 3 engine" back in version 3.5.8 might be the reason some "tasklets" are now never ending.......!   I never look at changelogs in normal circumstances but that caught my eye.  The "GPU is arriving" one being the showstopper, particularly at remote stands/airfields.”

Then it would happen with every airplane with a custom refueling, and I'm sure somebody would have noticed it.

[Ray Proudfoot]

Then it would happen with every airplane with a custom refueling, and I'm sure somebody would have noticed it.

Understood. I only have their Concorde so can’t see any posts about their Airbus as I don’t own one. Maybe someone with a FSL Airbus could confirm if there’s a refuelling issue.

[Ray Proudfoot]

Umberto, there’s been no update to FSL Concorde for nearly two years so it’s fair to assume nothing has changed on their end.

The only changes have been with Couatl and even though GSX does not load fuel it’s hard to understand why the Fuel truck lingers long after the fuel has been loaded.

[virtuali]

And again:

Then it would happen with every airplane with a custom refueling, and I'm sure somebody would have noticed it.

So, have you tried other airplanes with a custom fuel system, like PMDG or FS Labs ?

[Ray Proudfoot]

So, have you tried other airplanes with a custom fuel system, like PMDG or FS Labs ?

For the PMDG 737 and 777 I have the option of loading fuel via the CDU. So I don’t call the fuel truck. With Concorde it’s part of the script I cannot disable.

I’ll try requesting the fuel truck in the PMDGs after I’ve added fuel and see what happens. I’m guessing the truck will arrive, see the fuel has been loaded and depart almost immediately. So just for show. Is that how GSX will handle it?

[Ray Proudfoot]

@virtuali, I’m pleased to report that the fuel truck departed Concorde this morning whilst the pax were still boarding. So you did fix it even if you were unaware you had! 😁