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Pushback Sequence - change request
Captain Kevin:
--- Quote from: yurirodin on January 27, 2023, 05:49:11 pm ---If you notice, GSX uses different types of tugs for the pushback. If the tug you get has a towbar, the pushback starts right after you select the direction of push. If you the tug you get is the towbarless type, it has to lock the nosewheel and raise it off the ground to start pushing. GSX animates this process after the direction of push is selected. This is what takes time and there is no way around this unless GSX changes the connection process of the towbarless tug. So to get GSX to push right after direction selection FSDT would have to change the sequence somewhat, but only for the towbarless tug. This is the same for FSL A320 and PMDG 747.
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I knew GSX used two different types of tugs, I did not know that there was such a timing difference between the two. I went to check and put together a quick little video. It's unlisted, and I plan to pull it once everyone's done with it. There are two parts to the video. In the first part, you can see that in both instances, the pushback is called at the same time, and the bypass pin is inserted at the same time. It looks like with the towbarless tug, the direction menu pops up, and then the ground crew calls locking gear, whereas with the towbar tug, the ground crew calls locking gear, then the direction menu pops up. In both instances, the tugs don't move until the ground crew is out of the way, however, in the case of the towbarless tug, the ground crew has a longer distance to walk since they walk over to the tug, as opposed to the towbar tug where the ground crew just steps off to the side. In the second part of the video, I rearranged the video clips, so both tugs move at the same time. The tug with the towbar is still a little faster than the towbarless tug as far as the sequence of events taking place.
dlh511:
--- Quote from: Alpolex on January 27, 2023, 04:34:30 pm ---In this case I would suggest the follow the chagne of sequence.
As well as working on the cargo loaders which should not be removed when the fuel truck arrives. I mean this is a simple procedure and was requested 1-2 years ago?
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In fact they did change the procedure in a past update, where you could request pushback and it connect the truck and insert the bypass pin and THEN ask you for the direction, which made flying on a busy Vatsim day easy. And if you werent ready yet it would let you request pushback again only to ask you the direction right away, select it and start the pushback once you release the parking brake.
But during one of the last updates they changed it again and its, and forgive my language, crappy. I now get the direction even when the truck hasnt moved yet, and when I close the window and use the pushback function again it wont do anything, just stay there until the apocalypse.
Alpolex:
--- Quote from: Captain Kevin on January 28, 2023, 01:38:43 am ---
--- Quote from: yurirodin on January 27, 2023, 05:49:11 pm ---If you notice, GSX uses different types of tugs for the pushback. If the tug you get has a towbar, the pushback starts right after you select the direction of push. If you the tug you get is the towbarless type, it has to lock the nosewheel and raise it off the ground to start pushing. GSX animates this process after the direction of push is selected. This is what takes time and there is no way around this unless GSX changes the connection process of the towbarless tug. So to get GSX to push right after direction selection FSDT would have to change the sequence somewhat, but only for the towbarless tug. This is the same for FSL A320 and PMDG 747.
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I knew GSX used two different types of tugs, I did not know that there was such a timing difference between the two. I went to check and put together a quick little video. It's unlisted, and I plan to pull it once everyone's done with it. There are two parts to the video. In the first part, you can see that in both instances, the pushback is called at the same time, and the bypass pin is inserted at the same time. It looks like with the towbarless tug, the direction menu pops up, and then the ground crew calls locking gear, whereas with the towbar tug, the ground crew calls locking gear, then the direction menu pops up. In both instances, the tugs don't move until the ground crew is out of the way, however, in the case of the towbarless tug, the ground crew has a longer distance to walk since they walk over to the tug, as opposed to the towbar tug where the ground crew just steps off to the side. In the second part of the video, I rearranged the video clips, so both tugs move at the same time. The tug with the towbar is still a little faster than the towbarless tug as far as the sequence of events taking place.
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What about forwarding this to Umberto and checking this out with the FSL A320FAM aircraft which have dozen of erros in the GSX integration currently instead of continuously checking this thing with the PMDG 747?
Captain Kevin:
--- Quote from: Alpolex on January 28, 2023, 12:06:48 pm ---What about forwarding this to Umberto and checking this out with the FSL A320FAM aircraft which have dozen of erros in the GSX integration currently instead of continuously checking this thing with the PMDG 747?
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As I mentioned in a previous post, I don't own the FSL A320. I can't check it with an airplane I don't own. You want me to check it with the PMDG 737 or 777, I can do that. I suppose if it really came down to that, I could also re-install the QualityWings 787 and check it with that, too, if it really came down to that, as much as I don't really want to.
Alpolex:
I want to adress a series of problems and erros which currently occur with v5.3 and FSL A320FAM aircraft plus a logical change in sequence.
And maybe you'll ask a beta tester which has the A320FAM.
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