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SpazSinbad:
burner12, here is a great story that may answer some questions about 'what is acceptable':
http://www.neptunuslex.com/Wiki/2009/11/05/event-nine/
"We had a long talk about Taz and his future as a Naval Aviator…" Taz is a problem child - I hope he made it.
burner12:
Thanks for the story it was interseting. but here's a question. if you're on approach and you get a red ball is your approach over and you have to go around even if you are 1.5 or 2 miles out? Now if you were 3/4 of mile and get a red then i'd understand,but if you are far enough away to adjust the altitude and speed can you continue the approach and disregard the red ball once it changes to low yellow?
micro:
When you're that far out you really cant see the ball, you just flying the needles. But yeah, if you can see it, because of the way you approach the glideslope, it will be red, then low, then centered. Thats when you start down. Thats at night of course, during the day if you roll into the groove and see a red ball...... well...... just don't do it.
SpazSinbad:
burner12, from what I have read from LSO material and 'how to deck land' material, it would seem that a 'red ball' is not acceptable in ordinary circumstances, necessitating an 'own waveoff'. However that implies the 'red ball' (too low) is seen from a reasonable start position. Usually this 'reasonable start' is from 1nm to 3/4 nm when it is possible to see the ball clearly. Further out from one mile under ordinary circumstances I believe the ball in relation to datum lights is too indistinct. However I gather one may be able to see 'just a red ball' even way out there (perhaps on a deliberate long straight in approach). Otherwise the rule for 'straightaway length' applies. Somewhere else an ideal groove length time was noted (I forget all these details - forgive me). My guess was that some 18 seconds or less was good with slightly longer perhaps acceptable and then even longer not acceptable. So seeing a 'red ball' way out beyond one nautical mile (if possible) would be 'waved off' for being too long in the groove.
Carrier ops are efficient. Aircraft land with the minimum separation hence LSOs have their hands in the air for foul deck all the time - getting a clear deck when aircraft already in the groove. This is ideal. Being long in the groove will upset the next aircraft so may as well wave off the perpertrator (chap too long). ['perpetrator' is a person who commits a bad deed.] ;D
EDIT: WHAT 'microbrewst' ;) says also - we posted at same time. Night ops have a minimum level below which no one can go. Other diagrams for CASE X approaches may note this minimum level (for night and IMC approaches).
burner12:
When you say it starts out as red the low then centered do you mean that's the way it's designed?
And I guess it's just FSX because whenever I roll in on either the FSX accel carriers or Fernandez's the wave off lights are always flashing and I alway get a red ball even when I above 800ft. Then at about 1.5-1.2 miles out it goes to non flashing and yellow ball. I guess it's just the way the carriers are designed, unlike the real life ones. Would you agree?
Thanks for the info SpazSinbad. I would agree that until you get to about 1 mile out you are being coached in by the LSOs, and then at 1nm you canthen start using the ball and LSOs to help you with your approach.
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