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burner12:
IF you catch a 1 wire, what happens? Does the CO take you off flight status for almost crashing? Whenever I do I never count it as a landing so i go around again fora better try.

ESzczesniak:
Catching the 1 wire is not a straight up grounding for "almost crashing".  It is the least desireable to catch since it is the nearest to a ramp strike--a likely fatal incident.  However, why put the 1 wire on the deck if it wasn't acceptable to catch it?  You loose style points, but that's about it (which is still a lot in the alpha dog world of fighter pilots).  What would get you grounded is getting a wave off from the LSO, then continuing your approach, being dangerously low over the ramp, touching down well before the 1 wire and catching that. 

The difference between the hook touching the deck just before the 1 wire and just after the 4 wire is mere inches at the ramp and even a good pilot is going to find himself a bit on the lowside now and then when your dealing with tolerances that low.

neutrino:
Actually on USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) and USS George Bush (CVN-77) there is no 1st wire, so the OK3 is actually OK2 ;D  I guess Javier will have to remove the 1st wire from any future updates of the Nimitz class carrier  ;D

burner12:

--- Quote from: neutrino on December 21, 2009, 08:49:23 pm ---Actually on USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76) and USS George Bush (CVN-77) there is no 1st wire, so the OK3 is actually OK2 ;D  I guess Javier will have to remove the 1st wire from any future updates of the Nimitz class carrier  ;D

--- End quote ---
You know I just now remembered that. I agree Javier will have tio change the deck style and island a litttle if he makes the Reagan and Bush.

SpazSinbad:
ES.... has said it all about '1 wire'. Another reference would be the term 'taxi 1', meaning landing well before the 1 wire to then 'taxi' (haha) up to the arrest on 1 wire. Very dangerous on smaller carriers with minimal hook to ramp clearance (around 10-4 feet for the Hornet but I'll check) meaning minimal deck distance from ramp to 1 wire. There is a video of an A4G Skyhawk doing a 'taxi 1' on HMAS Melbourne. It always creeps me out when I see it (even after many times - I'm cringeing).  ;D

The LSO PDFs mentioned elsewhere would have 'hook to ramp' info but searching for more found this: (.doc file 74Kbs)

http://www.cvw7.navy.mil/inc/cmodules/dms/download-rel.php?secid=99&id=0&filesystem_id=7199

SIGNAL OFFICER TRAINING/CARRIER LANDING SAFETY PROGRAM

"Glide slope.  When using the FLOLS/IFLOLS, under normal conditions the following basic angles will be used.

         Basic Angle          Relative Head Wind
         3.5 degrees          < 33 kts
         3.75 degrees         33-37 kts (Hornets 33Klbs)                  
         4.0 degrees           > 37 kts sustained (Hornets 33Klbs/half flaps)

        (5) Wind.  During normal operations wind calls will be made periodically. During “ZIP LIP,” wind calls will not be made if WOD is 25-30 knots."

Changing the glideslope basic angle helps keep safe 'hook to ramp' when conditions not ideal ie. ship movement. "Consideration should be given to rigging MOVLAS when deck movement is + 7 feet or when LSO’s must talk 50% of the time."

"Groove length.  Proper groove length is 15-18 seconds, 19-21 seconds will be graded as “little long in the groove.”  If it is required to waveoff a LIG aircraft it will be graded as 2.0 points (WOP).

        (Hook skip bolters.  Hook skip bolters may or may not count against boarding rate.  If the hook skip was pilot induced i.e., fast nose down, or dropped nose to land, then the hook skip shall be graded as a bolter and count against boarding rate.  If the hook skip was not pilot induced, the pass will be graded as a "no-count" and shall not be counted against boarding rate."

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