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The Pitching Deck Saga
SpazSinbad:
Orion, Not sure what you want to show here. If the deck was pitching we could not see that very well in the video. You must have been 'deck spotting' and flaring to get on board because 'in close' the ball drops off the bottom of the mirror - LOW. Over the ramp for some reason the WAVE OFF lights start flashing but you land anyway. Hmmm. ;D
Personally I don't see the point of landing on the carrier 'any old how' (including deck spotting). Just my opinion though. It is always worthwhile to wave off and to have another go. I understand the pressure to get onboard if you are making a 'live' video but this one is not a good example IMHO.
neutrino:
Orion, that's an amazing video - I like the view of the pitching deck in the beginning, truly artistic shot!
The landing was difficult because the deck was pitching - so much so that the lens assembly was hidden from view by the deck, therefore he had to rely on instruments. Actually in close and over the wires he was on the ball, on speed and on centerline - so a very good landing in my book ;)
Orion:
Thanks guys.
James: Yes, it is all in FSX. No post production aside trimming the clips and adding the title and credits. Also, please just call me Orion.
Spaz: I was trying to show the pitching deck, not my landing. Since the pitching deck is pretty subtle in this video, I've removed it. I'll put a different one up when I have the time and will to make another... Or put the same one back if enough people request to see my atrocious landing and subtle pitching deck :P.
JR: Thanks for the compliments :). I still don't think it was that good of a landing though :P.
SpazSinbad:
Yes it is amazing that he landed, where I think we have agreed (perhaps not?) that 'instrument landings' are not the way to go for the last 3/4 of a mile. If the ball in the mirror cannot be seen or followed then I think the system with the pitching deck is not worthwhile. But I am not you.
It is possible to land onboard without the mirror in any conditions - where the deck can be seen - but it is not certain. Landing visually via the mirror should provide that certainty. If not then what is the point?
I guess there is a view about such things that 'any landing is a good landing' but magically, apparently, being in the right spot at the right time just before touchdown is not OK. I'll look again at the video to follow the needles (you could imagine I was just looking at the ball - what else is there to look at?). However even if the needles are spot on all the way down I still don't see the point.
This is only my opinion and I'll acknowledge there are other opinions. If instrument (needle) landings are the way to go then don't bother with the mirror because.... ????????
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Have watched the needles this time to see started low, stayed low then 'at the ramp' got back to 'on the ball' but then got low again (maybe irrelevant just before touchdown). My reading of most LSO literature says "never accept a low ball" and 'wave off early' when things are not close to ideal.
Bear in mind I can do 'landings that should be wave offs' because it is a simulator; but saying that a landing is good - when it is not - is not on. OK I have myself posted a video of a very bad carrier landing but I said it was such. So has Orion said the same thing. My point was to point out that comments that it was a good landing are not correct. Videos of 'whatever landings' are good because we can all learn from them.
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And I accept Orion's point that the video was to show the pitching deck (not the approach/landing). Probably it is not clear to some that carrier landing in FSX is difficult. It requires practice and precision to a degree that most are probably not familiar using quite different flying techniques compared to (more usual) USAF/general aviation style (reducing power and airspeed) approach to a to flared landing.
The other thread makes it clear that a new Goshawk T-45C pilot does two weeks of intense FCLP to be allowed near the carrier. http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3193.15
Sludge:
Spaz...
Please, for the love of God, stop critiquing everybody's carrier landings. If they post for grading and critiquing (like I do), then fire away. But geez, the whole point on this video is ONLY TO SHOW THAT ITS A PITCHING DECK, nothing more. Which it WAS! Not about landing using the mirror or using the ICLS. Ive taken Orion on "buddy rides" (FSX share aircraft in the Sludge Hornet), and shown him how carrier landings are supposed to be flown, so he knows the main concepts... again, just let it be, unless someone specifically asks you for a critique. Critique my landings all you want, cause thats why I post them, I want grading on them, but geez... back off on the ones that are posting modding "concept" videos that have nothing to do with using the mirror or spotting the deck or using ICLS to land. Thanks. BTW, yes the boat does pitch very well. Not as obvious or to the degree that JRs carrier does in his video, but Orion's carrier deck pitches quite noticeably in both the fly-by AND the landing.
James Chams...
As far as your "Naval Package", I dont want you releasing anything that I made or using the Sludge Hornet modifications in any way. I thought you were gonna do that about six or so months ago, but heard nothing back from you, so as of right now, you are not cleared to release any of the stuff Ive made. And as Orion says, just call us by name... not Mr. this or that... Sludge or Christian works fine for me.
Later
Sludge
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