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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #735 on: May 09, 2013, 09:31:54 am »
Thanks 'Paddles' - you are really up to speed here.  ;D
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #736 on: May 17, 2013, 09:20:19 pm »
Thanks Paddles for the latest new release nice new options in it.

I was wondering if one of the futures options can include a vlso-FCLP  for Marines F-35B and Av-8B.

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« Reply #737 on: May 17, 2013, 10:52:39 pm »
'Letourn' do you happen to know what the FCLP criteria are for an F-35B/AV-8B please? I will go look myself. It never occurred to me to ask what these parameters might be. Thanks.

Good story (but no details) about Desert FCLP here: http://www.fencecheck.com/content/index.php?title=Desert_Carrier

AV-8B NATOPS is available for free online (I'll post link soon) which describes with diagrams and text the basic landing approach (there are several).

http://info.publicintelligence.net/AV-8B-000.pdf (33Mb) NATOPS FLIGHT MANUAL NAVY MODEL AV--8B/TAV--8B
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #738 on: May 18, 2013, 03:31:20 am »
Naval Aviation News May–June 2002 (There are other stories out there - easy for me to find in my PDF - but none really describe what the LSO does at all.)

http://www.history.navy.mil/nan/backissues/2000s/2002/mj02/harrier.pdf (0.5Mb)

MARINE CORPS HARRIERS: EXPEDITIONARY FIREPOWER FROM THE SEA Story and photos by Rick Llinares

"...In a typical daytime approach and landing in the AV-8B, Harrier pilots follow a sequence during the landing process that is not unlike that of their Navy brethren on the carrier. The primary difference is that there is one additional control lever, and the intent is to “stop and land” rather than “land and stop.” The ability to stop and land provides first-pass boarding rates near 100 percent and allows the routine use of night-vision goggles for night recoveries.

Former VMA-542 skipper Lt. Col. Eric VanCamp described the steps a Harrier pilot goes through to land aboard ship: “The AV-8B pilot approaches the ship at 800 feet and 350 knots. Passing close up the right side of the ship, the pilot extends roughly 10 seconds and snaps the stick to the left, rolling the jet into a 4- to 6-G turn. Simultaneously, the pilot pulls the throttle to idle with the left hand and then moves the exhaust nozzle lever to the 60-degree position while easing off the turn.

“Rolling wings level on the downwind leg (opposite direction of initial heading), the pilot descends to 600 feet above ground level. As the aircraft decelerates through 300 knots, the pilot moves the flap switch to the short-takeoff-and-landing position, which causes the flaps to automatically program with nozzle position once the airspeed goes below 165 knots. The pilot extends the landing gear at 250 knots or less, and adds power sufficient to maintain on-speed flight at about 110 knots.

“The engine water injection switch is then moved to the landing position allowing for added thrust if needed. During takeoffs and landings, water can be injected into the turbine section of the AV-8B’s engine to provide an additional 1,500 pounds of thrust if required.

“Continuing the turn, the pilot descends to 450 to 500 feet above ground level behind the ship—referred to as ‘rolling into the groove’—on a line running up the left side of the ship until the jet is at 300 feet above the water. The pilot makes a ‘hover-stop’ call to the landing signal officer [LSO], who helps talk the pilot down to a safe landing. At this point, the pilot smoothly slides the nozzle lever to hover-stop. This moves the nozzles 90 degrees pointing downward. The pilot then adds power as necessary to maintain glideslope position as indicated on the tower’s optical landing system. The pilot controls the deceleration rate by slightly adjusting the attitude of the Harrier’s nose. The jet is now alongside the intended point of landing, a mere 120 feet over the water and just 60 feet above the deck of the ship. The LSO says ‘clear to cross’ and the pilot moves the jet sideways to a hover over the designated spot. Once stabilized in the hover, the LSO clears the pilot to land and the pilot eases gently down and chops the throttles to idle. From this point the nozzles are moved to aft and the jet taxies as directed by the flight director.”

Sounds easy, right!..."
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #739 on: May 18, 2013, 08:01:13 am »
I was wondering if one of the futures options can include a vlso-FCLP  for Marines F-35B and Av-8B.

Are there any LHD (VSTOL capable) ships with working OLS for FSX?
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #740 on: May 18, 2013, 04:16:18 pm »
Spaz: I have some other infos that i will be able to send you when i get home. But Basically you already have found everything and i am sure that it is so easy to do the landing   ;)

Paddles: There is no LHA (AJ WEbber Freeware)  or LHD (Aerosoft and Abacus) that i am aware with an OLS working. And i am not aware of an FCLP scenery that have it also. But maybe in your next FCLP scenery you can pick Bogue Airfield where Marine F/A-18 and AV-8B are doing FCLP. You can probably use what you have
Since the glideslope is 3deg if i remembered right. I will post the Case 1 when i get home.

It might also be too much work for and i will understand not doing so.

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #741 on: May 18, 2013, 08:47:59 pm »
An example of how helicopters are required to approach and what devices they use (which in some cases are the same or similar to what the AV-8B uses). However I believe specific F-35B approach devices will be used in future (likely similar to what we see here though).

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/1-564/CH5.HTM

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/1-564/Image103.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/1-564/Image104.gif

OVERLY large images above now attached instead....
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #742 on: May 18, 2013, 08:56:14 pm »
Because the graphics above are so large I'll start another reply. Go here for this graphic below: http://edocs.nps.edu/dodpubs/topic/jointpubs/JP3/JP3_04.1_930628.pdf
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #743 on: May 18, 2013, 09:06:09 pm »
This PDF is no longer available here: http://www.robertheffley.com/docs/CV_environ/00-80T-106%20-%20LHA%20LHD%20Manual.pdf The first graphic is from this PDF.

Rather than post what is already contained in my PDFs, here is a link to what might be in future for CVF and F-35Bs for example (as well as helos). Also CVF will use the Bedford Array, especially for their SRVLs Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing approaches. What I will do is make a specific PDF with relevant pages and make it available online.

http://www.agiltd.co.uk/visual_landing_aids/carrier.php
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www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/3000-3999/CIM_3710_2E.pdf

THIS HELIVAS brochure displays the range of approach aid devices for both single deck ships and CVF envisaged:

http://www.agiltd.co.uk/visual_landing_aids/pdfs/Visual-Landing-Aids.pdf (1.7Mb)
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #744 on: May 18, 2013, 11:23:06 pm »
A lot of good AV-8B info in this PDF  (no longer available at link but may be found elsewhere - I'll check):

NAVAIR 00-80T-111 V/STOL SHIPBOARD AND LANDING SIGNAL OFFICER NATOPS MANUAL 01 JULY 2004

http://www.robertheffley.com/docs/CV_environ/00-80T-111%20-%20VSTOL%20Shipboard%20and%20LSO%20Manual.pdf

Some relevant pages from this manual are attached.
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #745 on: May 19, 2013, 02:38:03 am »
Spaz you are faster than my car ;) Here is the Case 1. Spaz look into your PM

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #746 on: May 20, 2013, 05:50:13 am »
Letourn, that's interesting. It's technically possible to implement vertical landing procedures and all that stuff. I mean shore training facilities only, like deck paintings, a tower mockup with landing lights etc. But, given the fact that there are no actual FSX LHA/LHD ships with working OLS, I see no point in training ashore in an almost authentic environment and then landing on ship without any OLS lights... The only OLS in FSX is a hardcoded FLOLS, which we can't modify or tweak in any ways (how I wish I could do that).  :(
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #747 on: May 24, 2013, 01:58:59 am »

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #748 on: May 25, 2013, 06:08:27 pm »
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #749 on: May 26, 2013, 01:22:02 am »
Hello Paddles!
This looks very nice, thank you for all your work you did. I used your first work where the virtual carrier-deck was at the right side off the runway, never know this was wrong. Felt a little funny at take-off at night trapping. Big thanks to you. Herb