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new Big E
GOONIE:
Got the new FLOLS to work finally. Looks good, it actually scales, looks bigger from far away, easier to see, then gets smaller. Not sure if it was the new 3.5 glideslope or the fact the big E is a big boat, but i was consistently high on every approach, when on the ball the sight picture looks low compared to the FSX FLOLS.
No joy on the HUD needles either.
Goonie
SpazSinbad:
'GOONIE' I don't know about your experience so bear with me please. Thanks. It is common for new pilots to 'deck spot' - hopefully that ends well when they get back to flying only 'meatball, line up and airspeed (optimum angle of attack)'. Perhaps at beginning of their deck landing careers they will fly religiously but ONCE [or TWICE] like me they will look at the 'big picture' rather than the narrow deck landing picture as described.
I did that only once [twice to be sure] but in that brief instant (between 'in the middle' & 'in close' but not 'at the ramp') I could have sworn that I was going to miss the deck completely being too high (A4G approaching HMAS Melbourne). Then later in another approach [just to be sure :-) ] I looked ahead just an instant before touchdown to think again - I'm going to bolter. Those two instances convinced me NOT to deck spot and to only fly the approach as advertised. On the first one I had been intrigued by the circular rolling motion of the deck during base turn. It was not worth thinking about again. :-)
Remember the glideslope is calibrated for the hook point trailing below / behind the aircraft main wheels and this contact at the correct spot between 3 & 4 wire is the criteria - not the main wheels as one perhaps gets used to when landing on a conventional runway. Hopefully though a Navy pilot will have an IFLOLS on the runway to practice landing by in any event. The effect of the approach calibrated for the hook but viewed by the pilot eye way above that point/path (I forget the Hornet Hook/Eye vertical distance - I'll look it up) means that - to the pilot - the approach is higher than usual (by some amount). Fly the ball all the way to touchdown.
Aircraft H/E (Hook/Eye) Distance Value in feet
http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesMonthlyApril2011.pdf
Legacy Hornet -- H/E 16.35 feet
Super Hornet --- H/E 17.15 feet
Goshawk T-45C -- H/E 12.00 feet
Some people complain about me promoting my FREE PDFs. Just today another up to date version of the 'How to Deck Land' 2GB PDF has been uploaded. It is more than just 'a how to' because I know only how to carrier land an A4G; but also a history of Naval Aviation from my perspective - A4G pilot as described - so it is not comprehensive. I doubt if so much information about Naval Aviation could be found in one document (with videos). Often the info is just part shown with a URL link to what may be found online. It is more like a notebook - so follow your interests - if interested.
http://www.a4ghistory.com/
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http://www.a4ghistory.com/HowDeckLand31july2012.pdf
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SpazSinbad on SkyDrive has same info:
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=cbcd63d6340707e6&sa=822839791
Please 'right mouse click on the download URL' to 'Save Target as...' or otherwise use a download manager because the downloads can be slow and may terminate abruptly if 'left mouse click' method used.
Nice screenshot from the FSX Carrier Manual (edited) mentioned by 'micro' above attached. Plus old H/E values .GIF from: http://63.192.133.13/VMF-312/LSO.pdf
And now an old 'Carrier Glideslope Geometry' .GIF showing the 'hook glideslope': http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA087012
SpazSinbad:
Some more 'eye glazing' material re G/S angle. ;D
COMCARAIRWING SEVEN INSTRUCTION 1520.1N | Subj: LANDING SIGNAL OFFICER TRAINING/CARRIER LANDING SAFETY PROGRAM
http://www.cvw7.navy.mil/inc/cmodules/dms/download-rel.php?secid=99&id=0&filesystem_id=7199
(4) Glide slope. When using the FLOLS/IFLOLS, under normal conditions the following basic angles will be used.
BASIC ANGLE Relative Head Wind
3.5 degrees <33 kts
3.75 degrees 33-37 kts (Hornets 33Klbs)
4.0 degrees >37 kts sustained (Hornets 33Klbs/half flaps)
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(5) Wind. During normal operations wind calls will be made periodically. During “ZIP LIP,” wind calls will not be made if WOD is 25-30 knots. It should be emphasised that ARB 33-12 Series for MARK 7 MOD 3 arresting gear states that “recovery headwinds” (RHW) are based on 59 degrees Fahrenheit. For temperatures above 59°F, RHWs shall be increased using the density altitude tables in the 33/34 series. ARB 33-12 Series also recommends that 6 knots be added to RHWs to compensate for variations in WOD velocity and direction, pilot technique, approach speeds, turbulence, and to minimize loads on the aircraft and/or arresting system.
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(9) Groove length. Proper groove length is 15-18 seconds, 19-21 seconds will be grades as “little long in the groove.” If it is required to waveoff a LIG aircraft it will be grades as 2.0 points (WOP).
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(10) Hook skip bolters. Hook skip bolters may or may not count against boarding rate. If the hook skip was pilot induced i.e., fast nose down or dropped nose to land, then the hook skip shall be graded as a bolter and count against boarding rate. If the hook skip was not pilot induced, the pass will be graded as a "no-count" and shall not be counted against boarding rate.
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m. TRENDS. Squadron LSOs shall keep current trend data on all squadron pilots. Trends may be recorded by hand using OPNAV form 3760/71 (Rev. 7-71) or by trend output from the APARTS computer program. At a minimum, Squadron LSOs shall debrief pilot trends prior to each at-sea period during work-ups. On extended deployments, trend debriefs shall be done at least monthly. Pilots shall initial and date the trend sheet each time they are reviewed. Trend files shall be maintained on each pilot. The file should include FRS trends (for nuggets) and contain all at-sea trends for the duration of the pilot's squadron tour.
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k. FCLP. ...Test line-up and waveoff shall be initiated at least once per pilot per FCLP period.”
Johan:
It would be great if Serge could look at Big E and at the possibility to make it work with vLSO (granted it's ok with the authors) ... Right now, the Enterprise would be a great add to Javier's Nimitz, but nothing is in sync...just a thought.
Johan
Johan:
--- Quote from: GOONIE on August 01, 2012, 02:21:27 am ---
No joy on the HUD needles either.
Goonie
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Yes, nothing in the HUD. I changed the ILS to 112.00 in the carrier.xml and called it in the Sludge, but it didn't improve anything...
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