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Terblanche

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FPS drop
« on: June 25, 2025, 11:18:37 am »
I wonder how I could communicate with FENIX, PMDG, iniBuilds, and Aerosoft that after the last couple of updates for GSX, there is a serious drop in FPS on the tarmac as if the aircraft is draining resources while standing still at the gate. It is obviously not GSX because GSX is working and it should therefore be all the other developers' that need to fix something in their aircraft. And I've done tests with all the aircraft and when GSX is disabled it is back to normal with no dent in FPS, even big airports with AI traffic running full steam in the background. I just wish they could look into it why there is a performance dip?

I'm still happy with FS2020 because everything works perfectly fine and the performance it effortlessly effortless.

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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2025, 04:48:34 pm »
Well, you answered yourself. If you turn off the GSX, everything goes back to normal. It's obvious that the problem is in it.

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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2025, 05:15:47 pm »
Experience taught me that it is never GSX and it is always something else.
[Tongue in the cheek]

Maybe it will help if I completely uninstall and reinstall GSX.
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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2025, 05:53:40 pm »
Are you by any chance from the development team? You are very protective of their product. Read the thread above about 1-2 sec stutters

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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2025, 10:00:22 pm »
Are you by any chance from the development team? You are very protective of their product. Read the thread above about 1-2 sec stutters

The que is my [tongue in the cheek] sidenote, because it is never GSX and always something else causing a problem. I've read the thread about "1-2 sec stutters" and my suspicion is that it could be related.
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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2025, 11:58:46 am »
No, of course the 1-2 seconds pause on landing cannot possibly have anything to do with fps loss on the tarmac.

- Is GSX doing something at that time ? Like loading passengers or moving vehicles ?

- Are you parked on a gate with a VGDS that shows cycling information ? That's something GSX does even if you are not doing any service, but it's usually a very small impact on fps

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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2025, 01:15:46 pm »

I'm happy to hear that the 1 - 2 sec pauses are not related to the FPS loss on the tarmac.

- Yes, GSX is busy doing its thing in the background when there is a drop in FPS ... sometimes 1 or 2 FPS that's normal considering everything that's going on in the background, but then (sometimes) an 8 - 10 FPS drop depending on the airport. After push-back and once you start to taxi then the FPS jumps back to normal.

- The VGDS does not always show cycling information and I thought it is because the creator of the profile used a specific VGDS that does not show it.
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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2025, 01:54:32 pm »
sometimes 1 or 2 FPS that's normal considering everything that's going on in the background, but then (sometimes) an 8 - 10 FPS drop depending on the airport.

Ok, the "depending on the airport" part might be important.

Frame rate losses are not linear. Usually, the are very small as long you have plenty of VRAM available, but if you start to get closer to the limit (bigger airports, but also small unoptimized ones), they drop very sharply, because if the sim must start to swap texture memory in and out from/to the system to the VRAM on the card, it's a completely different kind of load.

As usual, the overall load on the sim is NEVER caused by any single addon but, the problem is, it's so easy to disable GSX ( just quit the Couatl engine from the traybar icon ) that, it's also very easy to assume it was the "cause" of the fps loss, because it's not as if you could easily unload the airport or the airplane.

Some example, let's assume GSX requires 5% of the overall VRAM here, it's just an example, I'm not using actual numbers, because they change depending on which vehicles, how many of them (variable number of doors, variable number of luggage carts depending on payload, etc.). Just for simplicity sake, let's assume it's all identical and only the airport change, so GSX in that case would add 5% to your VRAM consumption.

- Some Airport + Some Airplane = 90% of your VRAM taken. Fps is fine.

- Same Airport + Same airplane + start GSX = 95% of your VRAM take, Fps is still fine, maybe a slight 1-2 fps drop on the heavier services like Boarding cargo+pax.

- Different (heavier/less optimized) airport + Same airplane = 98% of your VRAM taken. Fps might still be fine, because you are now just barely under the limit.

- Same (heavier/less optimized) airport + Same airplane + GSX = 103% of your VRAM taken. Now the sim must start swapping memory in/out, and this will cause a significant fps drop.

Can you stop the airport ? Can you stop the airplane ? Can you unload the rest of the scenery around you ? Not really. But you can stop GSX easily, so you can easily say "it was GSX, because I stopped it and the fps went up", even if your VRAM was already almost entirely consumed by the other stuff.

That is the VRAM issue, you can check if this is your issue by looking at the DevMode fps counter and see how much VRAM you have before/after calling GSX

If you have plenty of VRAM instead, we might need to look into the number of objects instead.


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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2025, 10:41:29 am »
Thank you Umberto for the detail explanation.

Some tests I've done last night and this morning, with a 4K monitor and Vsync and FPS capped at 30 —

1. EDDL (MK Studios) with Fenix A320 at gate, clear skies, no AI traffic and 30 FPS. The moment you press "Boarding Requested" it falls to 28 FPS and once all the vehicles and jetway connected it hovers around 24 - 25 FPS ... right after push back and parking brake release when you start to taxi it jumps back to 30 FPS
2. LOWW (Gaya) with PMDG 738 at the gate, clear skies and no AI traffic. Same as above ... 30 FPS at the gate and once GSX starts moving everything in place it drops to 27 - 28 FPS. When push back commences it drops a further 25 - 26 FPS.

This was never so apparent before the latest GSX updates. Maybe a small drop at big airports, depending on aircraft, weather, AI traffic but never as BIG as recently.

PS: VRAM and RAM, CPU and GPU are not the problem on my rig. MSFS 2020 is effortlessly effortless on my system. Sadly, I can't say the same for MS24.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2025, 12:47:02 pm by Terblanche »
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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2025, 03:20:13 pm »
PS: VRAM and RAM, CPU and GPU are not the problem on my rig. MSFS 2020 is effortlessly effortless on my system. Sadly, I can't say the same for MS24.

Please repeat the same tests, and provide screenshots of the DevMode fps at every stage from your previous description.

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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2025, 05:53:40 pm »
I only have time now for EDDL and here are three screenshots:
BeforeGSX = at stand before asking GSX to board
GSX = jetway connected, pushback connected, baggage loaders connected
AfterGSX = after pushback and GSX cleared from aircraft, ready to taxi.
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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2025, 10:51:35 pm »
And here is the same for LOWW ...
The 21 FPS was just when pushback began.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2025, 10:53:19 pm by Terblanche »
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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2025, 09:27:44 pm »
I am having a similar issue, and I have been using GSX for awhile.  The game was unplayable until I uninstalled.  I've only tested with the Inbuilds A350 so maybe the issues are related although things worked fine earlier this month.

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Re: FPS drop
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2025, 04:02:57 pm »
I'm having a very similar problem when running GSX. When I close it, everything seems to work fine. Drastic drop in FPS for seconds, all the time. I think it might be related to the latest update.