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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #75 on: July 05, 2025, 02:51:49 pm »
we only see this after 3.5.6. Because I've been using both GSX and AutoFPS with the same settings for a long time without seeing this problem.

Be careful using the "we" in this case.

There's a long discussion on GSX community channel on Discord and, while several users have confirmed that rolling back to 3.5.6 fixed the issue for them, we have also multiple cases of users reporting that rolling back to 3.5.6 didn't make the slightest difference, so that's not valid for everybody affected either.

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #76 on: July 05, 2025, 03:32:34 pm »
Be careful using the "we" in this case.

There's a long discussion on GSX community channel on Discord and, while several users have confirmed that rolling back to 3.5.6 fixed the issue for them, we have also multiple cases of users reporting that rolling back to 3.5.6 didn't make the slightest difference, so that's not valid for everybody affected either.

Sorry, wasn't aware of that and was only referring to what I've seen in here.
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #77 on: July 05, 2025, 03:56:44 pm »
Created a thread over in the AutoFPS forum to hear from other AutoFPS users if they are also seeing the same issue and especially those also using GSX Pro.

https://github.com/ResetXPDR/MSFS_AutoFPS/discussions/110
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2025, 04:00:11 pm »
Sorry if I ask the most obvious questions:

have you tried disabling the AutoFPS utility and see if it makes any difference ? If it doesn't (or you haven't tried), it might be a bit premature opening a thread on it.

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2025, 04:06:33 pm »
Sorry if I ask the most obvious questions:

have you tried disabling the AutoFPS utility and see if it makes any difference ? If it doesn't (or you haven't tried), it might be a bit premature opening a thread on it.

Haven't had a chance yet since this AutoFPS idea was very recently brought up but I'm just about to install the latest version of AutoFPS, released just prior to when this problem seems to have started. If that won't make a difference, I'll try what you suggest and do a flight without AutoFPS.

As for starting the thread and asking if other AutoFPS users see the same issue, I don't find that premature. It's not like I'm pointing my finger, I'm just trying to help isolate the issue by collecting as much information as possible and you're most welcome 😉
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2025, 06:25:25 pm »
Just did a test using GSX Pro 3.5.8 with AutoFPS 0.4.4.12 which was released May 30. Which to my knowledge was well before this issue surfaced.

On landing, I once again had a freeze but similar to last flight, the freeze didn't last for like 5+ seconds which I've seen a couple of times before but more about 1 second or even less. More like a severe stutter than a proper freeze.

Another thing I noticed on this last flight was how the overall performance and smoothness in the sim went downhill after I downgraded AutoFPS to this earlier version.

I find that a bit odd since I can't recall having this issue back when this version of AutoFPS was the latest one but instead of pulling my hair and spending too much of my precious spare time messing around with various issues and troubleshooting, I will instead perform a system restore back to where everything was working fine with GSX Pro 3.5.8 and the latest version (0.4.5.1) of AutoFPS and with all services in aircraft.cfg disabled except for jetway. After learning how that one needs to be enabled to avoid messages from GSX Pro telling you how passenger stairs are missing.

Have a nice rest of the weekend everyone!
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2025, 09:25:30 pm »
Unfortunately, i do not have AutoFPS.  Never have.  Yet i also experience the freeze in v3.5.8 (and did in v3.5.7) unless i disable services in the aircraft.cfg.

However, this is the reason i'd asked before if it would be helpful for all of us to post what we have starting up in the exe.xml and how operate the sim, to look for a possible common module loading and also so Umberto can try and replicate the exact scenario we are flying in.  Again, let me know if this would be useful.

Also - according to the GSX release notes, didn't the livery manager also debut in v3.5.7?  Not saying that's the issue mind you, but the GSX restart doesn't appear to be the only change between v3.5.6 and v3.5.7.  What does GSX do or what does the sim do that GSX would care about the instant the sim sees the aircraft changing from flying to landed?  That's really the important thing since this happens right when the main landing gear touches the runway.
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #82 on: July 05, 2025, 10:27:14 pm »
So, after a testflight, same as yesterday. EDDK - EDDP, i can confirm from my side, the stutter or short hang is gone, after installing the 3.5.6 version of GSX Virtuali have shared one or two sides earlier.

If you use autoFPS or not, is not the point maybe. The LOD value in combination with GSX 3.5.7 and 3.5.8 is it. I don`t know what value starts to make problems.

If you are using autoFPS you are able to set it up, how you prefer it. For example, you want to have it at 100 or 150 under 1000 or 2000 feet, you are able to manage it like that. It will smoothly decrease the value that is used at cruise alt for example 200 above 5000 feet. @Virtuali

And even when you not use autoFPS, maybe the LOD value in your case is too low, and the problem shows up.

A guy in the Facebook flightsim group reported, that he has solved it, only by increasing LOD value.

Something between to low LOD and the versions from 3.5.7 seems to be the point. Why? I have no clue. But i was really interested by Virtuali`s posts about this all and how it works.

I will test it the next days, in same config and report back. :)

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #83 on: July 06, 2025, 12:00:04 am »
i dont have autofps, just downloaded the newest version of gsx, will report back to see if the issue persists
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #84 on: July 06, 2025, 12:41:40 am »
I also do not have autofps.  my addons were pmdg738 GSX and FStraffic.  I was getting freezing with version 8 and when I rolled back to 6 freezing has gone,  so again I say that looking at autofps is not in the equation

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #85 on: July 06, 2025, 01:16:07 am »
I am continuing with some testing....

Just did a flight with the PMDG 737-700, i did not disable any services on this plane.
I am still using GSX 3.5.8.  I ran the FSDT installer, did an update check on 3.5.8, and it looked like it installed the hotfix.

Ran the sim, did a flight from FeelThere's KSTL to iniBuilds' KMKE...
Got the worst freeze on touchdown i've gotten yet....  I want to say this was almost 10 sec long.  On top of that, it looks like COUATL crashed as well (probably due to no response from the sim).....  So that was new..... :)

So, FWIW, the PMDG 737 only has 3 services enabled in the first place - PUSHBACK, MARSHALLER, and JETWAY
We've established that JETWAY isn't the issue.  And since the issue happens to me with the PMDG 737 with no changes to the aircraft.cfg, that means it's gotta be connected with PUSHBACK or MARSHALLER.

I was going to turn just one of those off on my next flight that i'm going to do later tonight, but i think i might try a new approach instead.  I am going to turn off all the airport ground vehicles in the MSFS settings next and see if that helps....

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #86 on: July 06, 2025, 08:33:34 am »
I was going to turn just one of those off on my next flight that i'm going to do later tonight, but i think i might try a new approach instead.  I am going to turn off all the airport ground vehicles in the MSFS settings next and see if that helps....

If you disable jetway, that will likely result in the same message I got from GSX, telling me passengers stairs missing and how I won't see passengers boarding. But do let us know. Maybe different depending on what aircraft you're in? I was in the iFly 737 MAX8.

These test results are quite interesting based on what has been said in here up to this point:

- no changes to GSX between 3.5.6 and later other than the automatic restart of GSX
- GSX has nothing to do with the ground services in aircraft.cfg and doesn't need any of them
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #87 on: July 06, 2025, 10:12:18 am »
Just an update....

Turning off the ground vehicles in the settings on my next flight did not fix the freeze on landing, nor did turning off ground personnel, which i did on a second flight, but it MIGHT have reduced the length of them...  With both flights, the freeze was still there, but maybe only a second in length.  Went from iniBuilds KMKE back to FeelThere's KSTL on the first flight, KSTL to Dominic Designs' KBNA for the second one.  As always, i rebooted my PC between the flights.

Tomorrow night if i get a chance to do a flight, i'll disable the pushback service only in the aircraft.cfg and see if anything changes.  If not, well, then the Marshaller service will be the only one left  :)
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #88 on: July 06, 2025, 03:07:34 pm »
We've established that JETWAY isn't the issue.  And since the issue happens to me with the PMDG 737 with no changes to the aircraft.cfg, that means it's gotta be connected with PUSHBACK or MARSHALLER.

Which is interesting because:

- The Jetway is the ONLY default service GSX needs and use.

- The Pushback and Marshaller are the ones which can be disabled and won't affect GSX in any way, since GSX has its own custom versions that don't have the slightest interaction with the default version of such services.

If you had the opposite result (jetway causing the freeze unless disabled), a possible explanation might be that, disabling jetway might reduce the amount of data about the airport being sent back by the sim when GSX asks for it, because *maybe* if you are flying an airplane that has been flagged not using jetways, it might not send data about jetways (even if the real bulk of data is parking and taxiways). But that's not what it seems to be happening.

There's nothing in the returned data about pushback and marshallers, but maybe disabling these would have an effect on how many default ground vehicles/crew are being generated on touchdown ? In theory, this should affect only your airplane, but that pause looked as if the sim was trying to create lots of objects at the same time.

Note that, when I say "GSX asks for it", it means if you are within 3NM of the airport center and you are below 1000 ft above ground. This is the exact moment in time where GSX ask for all data about the airport.  However, GSX has NO CONTROL whatsoever about *when* the answer (with the data) will come from the sim. This logic has been the same since GSX came out, no changes ever happened in years.

The only change in version 3.5.7 was an automatic restart after takeoff, this is not done anymore in the current hotfixed 3.5.8. Other changes in the latest 3.5.8 hotfix are:

- GSX is skipping many checks it always did (even long before 3.5.6), like checking parking brakes or engines started, etc. if you are on ground but your speed is > 25 knots.

- Same skipping of unnecessary checks has been extended to when you are not on ground, but your altitude is below 500 ft above ground.

These are NEW optimization we added in the latest two 3.5.8 hotfixes, we never had them before!

So right now, when you are on final or after touchdown,  GSX isn't doing anything other than checking your position, altitude and speed to detect when you are again below 25 knots and on ground, so it will start again to check for engines, brakes, to see if you are parked or require a service like the follow me.

If the airport has GSX profile with lots of VGDS (those surely can cause a pause when created and the profile didn't had the "disable static VGDS" option set), GSX will always wait until your speed is below 25 kts before creating those. Same if you pre-select a gate in flight: nothing is ever created unless you landed and your speed drops below 25 kts. this optimization has always been there, and nothing changed either.

What is really worrying, instead, was the report GSX crashed on landing (or likely before). This shouldn't happen, but if it did, an automatic restart will likely cause stuttering, because during a restart there's lots of file access required, so we should probably verify if this was the case.

Checking the auto-restarter log at %APPDATA%\Virtuali\couatl64_boot.log file might tell if there was a restart on (or moments before) landing, since it comes with timestamps.

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #89 on: July 06, 2025, 07:14:44 pm »
@Virtuali,

so what is the point, that using 3.5.6 stopps the stutter in many cases or increasing TLOD when using 3.5.8?

Something must be there. Or am i wrong?

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