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SpazSinbad:
Looking at the Part 1 of the Mission video with formation practice before entering cloud I can see the difficulty of flying looking straight ahead when trying to fly formation. When in formation there is no need to look at the HUD. Your leader is flying accurately so when you fly formation on your leader you have the same parameters (when you are in formation). The only thing you need to worry about as No.2 flying in echelon right (starboard) is your own fuel and gear state (dirty parameters). Nothing else matters.

Remember I'm not familiar with your computer/screen setup so bear with me... If you can change the view to at least the 10:30 or forward quarter view that will help you to stay in close formation, rather than in a line astern, or trail formation. When you can see the leader in your forward quarter vision you have much better idea of relative position. Flying behind leader is dangerous - especially in cloud. Flying in echelon means you have better clues to fore and aft movement as well as how close laterally; and by looking at the upper and lower side of the wing you have your vertical position. I don't know the actual Hornet formation position so I'll go look it up now.

Use the time out of the cloud to fly proper formation so that when you are in the cloud it is second nature. I'll go look at Part 2 now.

SpazSinbad:
The image below is not mine (from: http://users.telenet.be/aviator/PSF.htm) However it is a good illustration of some of the aspects of formation flying. However probably the aircraft is too close to leader and it should be further forward so that at least No.2 can see the Leader in case the leader uses hand signals. Also being further forward (but not too far - remember you will be about at a 45 degree angle from leader) means there is a better overall view of the leader. That is one way to fly good formation is to not concentrate on one point but on the overall picture/view of leader from the correct position. However at times your vision will be on one aspect temporarily to then quickly move back to the wider view (if you follow me). Fly echelon formation so that on the screen you can see all of the leader when in correct position with perhaps a bit either side for any movement. Formation requires concentration and practice - don't think it is easy if you are new to formation flying. I'm still looking for correct parameters for Hornet formation position....

SpazSinbad:
Go here to click on the APG-73 Radar Hornet stuff: http://home1.stofanet.dk/baskat/mainpage.swf

Doum76:

--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on September 04, 2009, 09:43:26 pm ---Still the video is unwatchable so I'll come back perhaps after the video downloads or something.... Are the other parts available (2 & 3)? After about one hour the Part 1 has downloaded and Part 2 has been found at:  ['Head Bobbing' in Part 2 is very noticeable - what a silly feature that is for a jet - good to be rid of it.] Is Part 3 online?

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Humm that link ain't mine, it's someone else's, mine, weather with Rex2 Mod. makes the sunset a redish one, not the FSX base blue sunset, and i turned off Head Bob, so no head bob in my videos. For the HD, maybe took Youtube a while to finish making full HS, for my landing, it's in part 3, the part 2 landing it's the otehr guy, i'll link you all 3 videos, or simple go in my videos.

part 1- 
part 2-
part 3-

Youtube ID:

By this time, all 3 videos should be online, i do have the HD little icon on each of them when i look inside my account My Videos. I watched one and made it HS, i tried the part 1, seems ok.

Doum76:

--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on September 04, 2009, 11:32:39 pm ---Looking at the Part 1 of the Mission video with formation practice before entering cloud I can see the difficulty of flying looking straight ahead when trying to fly formation. When in formation there is no need to look at the HUD.

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Once you get to watch the right movies,  :P you'll see in some i don't even look forward i look half on my up-right side to follow lead's movement. i Had my head turned a bit in Real Life so Freetrack makes my head looking at my leads in the Sim. I was flying as much as i could according to my lead, when he drops a bit, i droped a bit, when he slwoed down, i slowed down, i always try to fly a bit lower of him, and on his rigght (starbord if i am not mistaken, i keep confusing the english term of starbord and port side)  :-\

I've been trying to fly formation a bit like i'Ve seen in a Discovery Channel series about Canadians F/A-18 Fighther Pilots Traning documentary, but they speak not in details of it, just showed a few position, like combat formation, how they turn and spread apart with radio silence, or Flat Turns, but not easy to make in a Game when you need to move around. But still, i do have your last message to read, might have good information in it.


--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on September 04, 2009, 11:32:39 pm ---Remember I'm not familiar with your computer/screen setup so bear with me... If you can change the view to at least the 10:30 or forward quarter view that will help you to stay in close formation, rather than in a line astern, or trail formation.

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Well i do confirm you weren't watching the right video if he was flying in Trail, the further i let my lead go was avout .2 miles, was still showing 0m on the little radar, but he was still on my port side and a bit higher. I do remember the video you are refering to, he even smetimes if i'm not mistakent reach back his lead with after burners, then breaks with the speed break.
On my videos i even keep formation while descend and turning. Well i do hope you watched the wrong videos, because i was sure it wasn't that bad, if you are mentioning all this about my little formation wanna be flying. :)

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