Issues with Leonardo Maddog Exterior Model After Adding GSX Seated Passengers

[davidcherrie]

Don't lie now, I didn't mention 2020 at all until after you tested it... This post is about 2024 and since when does 2020 look like this?

[virtuali]

Don't lie now, I didn't mention 2020 at all until after you tested it... This post is about 2024 and since when does 2020 look like this?

How you dare to call me liar! You don't even understand your own logic? You said it NEVER worked for you in 2020, what this has anything to do you also posted it about it in 2024 ? That's why I tried it in 2020, because you you said it never worked and it has been broken there for over a year, and I "refused to acknowledge it" so, I first start there, to check that. We'll get to 2024.

[davidcherrie]

You quoted statements about me mentioning 2020 after you already had tested it so unless you can time travel, those statements could not have influenced your past assumption. I said at the beginning responding to this thread that it has been an issue with GSX for almost a year which I left a link to that thread which in that thread says the problem is also in 2024.

Can you please now test in 2024.

[virtuali]

You quoted statements about me mentioning 2020 after you already had tested it so unless you can time travel, those statements could not have influenced your past assumption

What the past has anything to do with it ? You said it never worked, and I was never able to replicate it back then, You said NOW "it never worked" in 2020, so I tested AGAIN!

Can you please now test in 2024.

Sure I will, but that doesn't change the fact you were wrong saying I "refused to acknowledge it", because I obviously wasn't then and I'm not now. There's something weird happening, for sure, but the livery works.

[davidcherrie]

You said NOW "it never worked" in 2020, so I tested AGAIN!

I never said that until after you tested it again just now... So that couldn't have been the reason why you tried it in 2020 rather than realising this entire thread is about 2024.

With the thread 10 months ago, you kept saying that you don't experience the issue and never tested with any other liveries and just did the default and that thread was never resolved so I just never turned it back on. I then decided to do my first flight tonight in 2024 in the MD80 and surprise, the GSX problem that existed in 2020, exists in 2024.

[virtuali]

I never said that until after you tested it again just now... So that couldn't have been the reason why you tried it in 2020 rather than realising this entire thread is about 2024.

Why this even matters ? You said it never worked in 2020, you said I "refused" to acknowledge", both of which were not true back then and are even more untrue now that I repeated the test exactly with the livery you suggested to test.

[davidcherrie]

Why does it matter? Because you lied and I called you out on it. You justified testing on 2020 quoting me as the reason even though those quotes were said after you tested it.

[virtuali]

Why does it matter? Because you lied and I called you out on it. You justified testing on 2020 quoting me as the reason even though that quotes were said after you tested it.

Your "called me out" ? You called my liar because you hate being proven wrong, back then and even now, when I repeated the test again, because you said "it never worked in 2020" and when you tried to imply I refused to acknowledge it.

Here's your livery happily working in MSFS 2024 SU3 current Beta (no, I'm not switching out of it just to try it in SU2). I'm NOT calling you a liar for having said it doesn't work, I'm sure there must be something that is escaping us but, at least, use the same benefit of the doubt towards me, when I spend my time TRYING to replicate your issue.

In 2024 it was even easier: I didn't had to play with the livery switching like I had to do in 2020, I clicked the livery, and it worked at the first try.

[davidcherrie]

I called you a liar because you lied, it's that simple. Anyone can look at the order of the posts and see that I mentioned 2020 after you tested it yet you said that was the reason why you tested 2020.

A > B > C is reality, you claim it happened B > A > C.

Well I'm using SU2 so that must be the problem. You'll need to go back to SU2 to figure out the error. And as shown in the previous thread and this, I'm not the only one with the issue. Maybe you could send the livery to me and I could try on my system without changing any files and see if those exact files work in SU2.

[virtuali]

I called you a liar because you lied, it's that simple.

But it's wrong, and repeating it doesn't make it anymore trye.

Anyone can look at the order of the posts and see that I mentioned 2020 after you tested it yet you said that was the reason why you tested 2020.

The issue is, it doesn't matter,

Well I'm using SU2 so that must be the problem. You'll need to go back to SU2 to figure out the error.

No, I don't.

Because if THIS is really the case, your entire argument of "GSX corrupting the livery" falls down entirely, if it's something that might been improved thanks to SU3.

Assuming it WAS the upper/lower case issue I suspect it might be in 2020, MAYBE somebody at Asobo realized that, on a case-insensitive filesystem like Windows, is not really needed to process config that will end up in loading stuff from disk in a case-sensitive way, maybe because it might have happened on other airplanes too, unrelated to GSX ?

[davidcherrie]

But it's wrong, and repeating it doesn't make it anymore trye.

Yes, it is wrong to lie. It's perfectly ok to say "Sorry I presumed you were talking about 2020, so I tested 2020" compared to "For real ? I tried it 2020 precisely because what you just wrote!" and quoted me saying "Have spent very little time in 2024 trying to figure it out because 10 months ago couldn’t get it to work at all in 2020." as the reason why you tested 2020 which was after you tested it, not before. Have a re-read, its very black and white and see there was no mention of 2020 in that thread before you tested it.

I haven't opened 2020 for 3 months, and haven't used Seated Passengers in 2020 on the MD80 for 10 months. I'm not sure if it works now or not, but I'm now using 2024 and it currently has the same issue I experience in 2024 and the user who created this thread has exactly the same problem. So it must be either SU2 and SU3 or I suspect a referencing issue. I will package up my livery after enabling seated passengers in 2024 and send it to you for diagnosis to see if GSX making the changes correctly. I'm on Windows 11 and use the Xbox app version of the game, not Steam.

[virtuali]

Yes, it is wrong to lie.

It's even more wrong to tell somebody is lying, when it's not the case. We might disagree on this, but NOT on inappropriate usage of the term. I never called YOU "a liar", even if I'm fully convinced (just like you are), you are wrong in almost everything you say. Saying somebody is wrong is not offensive, calling somebody a liar is, because saying somebody is wrong means accepting HE is honestly convinced to be in the right, I'm sure you are and I accept it, even if I disagree. Calling somebody a liar is offensive, because it implies malice and willingness to deceive, and that is NOT acceptable.

I haven't opened 2020 for 3 months, and haven't used Seated Passengers in 2020 on the MD80 for 10 months

Again, completely irrelevant. You wrongly accusing me of not taking this seriously back then, and while you might had had some kind of point, because then I said I only tested with default liveries, but your wrong accusation sounds even more wrong today, when I tested:

- the livery you said it "never worked" in 2020

- the livery you said it doesn't work now, in 2024.

In any case, I made ANOTHER test and guess what, it was as I suspected: it's the casing issue. I manually changed all involved files to match precisely the actual file/folders in disk, and by doing that, MSFS 2020 opens the airplane directly at the first try, without even having to enter the Hangar before. 2024 worked straight away, so maybe this is exactly something they might have fixed, because I can imagine something must have happened in other cases: it's very easy for any developer to miss a small detail like that, on Windows, shouldn't even matter, so perhaps there might have been some obscure bug report airplanes or liveries not loading, so they made the loading process more robust in 2024 SU3. We can only rejoice about that.

I'll try to investigate further to understand what is exactly the part that is case-sensitive: it might be the model.cfg or the exterior.xml, or both, and it might be just the path portion, or just the filename, or both and if it's found, we might come up with a fix.

[davidcherrie]

Calling somebody a liar is offensive, because it implies malice and willingness to deceive, and that is NOT acceptable.

Except you did imply malice and willingness to deceive by lying by quoting something as the reason you did it even though that quote was after those events rather than simply admitting that you made a mistake by assuming I was talking about 2020 when the entire thread was only ever about 2024.

[virtuali]

Except you did imply malice and willingness to deceive by lying

Except this isn't what really happened and repeating it won't make it true. I'm closing this thread now, will be reopened only if there are news to communicate.