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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jet22 on October 11, 2010, 09:11:23 pm
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Intersim studios is back againg.
look the information here:http://www.flycay.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2836&page=2
Well what is going to do FSDT now with KMIA?
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FSDT is a well established team. Clearly, Intersim is not... I highly doubt FSDT will allow this "disorganised" Intersim affect their plans. The real question is, what will Intersim do? As making KMIA for them will be futile going up aganst FSDT, not to mention we have not even seen any textured work from them. Just models....
I do wish Intersim the best of luck though. And for my sake as a simmer, I do hope they develop something nice. But MIA should be out of the question for them. I know they have started work on it, but it really would have to be able to compare to FSDT's quality otherwise alot of people like me will hold out for FSDT putting their work in vain.
Anyway, a better link, http://www.flycay.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2836&page=2
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Interesting news.
I agree with a lot of what Newmanix said.
With what has happened with the Intersim fellows over the past 6 months or however long it has been since they surfaced then disappeared and now surfaced again, it's hard to keep faith in their project. For all we know, another problem/issue could arise causing them to disappear again and not release the airport.
In addition, at this point I would prefer to purchase an FSDT version for the following reasons.
a. You don't have to worry about FSDT disappearing/closing if you need help or support
b. You can be assured that the FSDT version will be as optimized as possible for performance without having to cut detail using the complexity/density slider
c. FSDT is a step ahead of others with their on going developement/techniques in the use of shaders and textures ie. KDFW and what's planned for KLAX
d. The "Miami City" that they are going to release with the airport is currently available to anyone as freeware thru Toni Hiltuni
Just to be clear I am not saying anything bad about Junior Puente since I had spoke to him a few times in the past and he seems to be a nice fellow, but when the project is an on again - off again type of thing, its really hard to keep faith in when or if it will ever see the light of day. It's also kind of weird that Intersim has "surfaced" again now that FSDT has said that they will do KMIA. What if FSDT hadn't come out and said they would do KMIA? Would Intersim have come to life again?
Personally, at this point I hope Umberto and staff continue to do KMIA, but if they decide to cancel on this news, I guess I will have no other choice other than to buy the Intersim studio version since I have really been wanting an FSX version of KMIA for a long time. I don't have any of their other airports so I can't saw how good or bad they look or perform, but having the majority of FSDT's work I know that KMIA would be an excellent rendidtion that will perform well.
It will be interesting to see what Umberto has to say after reading this news.
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Interesting that this came out now. I honestly don't know what to say really, I wish him the best since he seems like a really cool guy and any scenery designer is welcomed to the flight simulator hobby since there are not really that many, and at least to me they are rare.
And the more scenery airports covered the better! but I don't think this will stop fsdt from making kmia which is probably going to be in fsx only project. since it will most likely be months and months away, so I guess maybe Intersim studios will do better with there fs9 version. its also gonna be really tough since fsdt has been doing this for a very long time. will be interesting to see Umberto's insight and comment's on this lol.
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Not to be mean, but Taxi2Gate's sceneries leave much to be desired. FSDT should still do it, as Intersim is probably going to back out again
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This is from the FlyTampa website.
http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4118&start=30 (http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4118&start=30)
hello guys...
first thanks to all for the opinions...but INTERSim isn't dead, i just re-organized the company and we are selling airports under the TAXI2GATE name..w we merged both companies and we are now opening the new website with a lot of addons free and some updates for our products and some surprises that we go to release .... but going to the KMIA point...
we have all the ground terminated and all the 3d buildings,, 35% of this airport is painted and will be released soon... just i am finishing Havana in the meantime and the MIami City will be released FREE of charge... i like to extend my congratulations to another companies that are doing Miami and please we are not the competency..we are here to help and any company who want merge forces with INTERSim doing Miami is more than welcome...
thanks to all
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D & Textures Artist
INTERSIM Studios
http://www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
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This is from the FlyTampa website.
http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4118&start=30 (http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4118&start=30)
hello guys...
first thanks to all for the opinions...but INTERSim isn't dead, i just re-organized the company and we are selling airports under the TAXI2GATE name..w we merged both companies and we are now opening the new website with a lot of addons free and some updates for our products and some surprises that we go to release .... but going to the KMIA point...
we have all the ground terminated and all the 3d buildings,, 35% of this airport is painted and will be released soon... just i am finishing Havana in the meantime and the MIami City will be released FREE of charge... i like to extend my congratulations to another companies that are doing Miami and please we are not the competency..we are here to help and any company who want merge forces with INTERSim doing Miami is more than welcome...
thanks to all
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D & Textures Artist
INTERSIM Studios
http://www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
That's basically the same post as on LatinVFR.
I still think its a funny coincidence that this came out now that FSDT said they were going to do it.
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This is from the FlyTampa website.
http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4118&start=30 (http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4118&start=30)
hello guys...
first thanks to all for the opinions...but INTERSim isn't dead, i just re-organized the company and we are selling airports under the TAXI2GATE name..w we merged both companies and we are now opening the new website with a lot of addons free and some updates for our products and some surprises that we go to release .... but going to the KMIA point...
we have all the ground terminated and all the 3d buildings,, 35% of this airport is painted and will be released soon... just i am finishing Havana in the meantime and the MIami City will be released FREE of charge... i like to extend my congratulations to another companies that are doing Miami and please we are not the competency..we are here to help and any company who want merge forces with INTERSim doing Miami is more than welcome...
thanks to all
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D & Textures Artist
INTERSIM Studios
http://www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
That's basically the same post as on LatinVFR.
I still think its a funny coincidence that this came out now that FSDT said they were going to do it.
Thats true Sean, I don' understand why he posted this now he hasn't said anything in awhile not even to Ricardo at latinvfr. now its announced lol oh well.
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I am not taking him seriously untill he has something to show, a working website, and an action plan for producing the work.
Saying he is releasing under Taxi to Gate was a bad idea. He should trade under his own name.
I do think he should finish the work since he started. If the quality is good, maybe we'll see... At least we will know his level of quality for his upcoming products.
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I am not taking him seriously untill he has something to show, a working website, and an action plan for producing the work.
Saying he is releasing under Taxi to Gate was a bad idea. He should trade under his own name.
I do think he should finish the work since he started. If the quality is good, maybe we'll see... At least we will know his level of quality for his upcoming products.
It better be really, really good to even compete. I won't spend the money twice for KMIA, nor do I think you or anybody else will. I'm sorry to say, but I think they would be wasting their efforts and should more to another project. I do wish them well, but I will wait for FSDT's KMIA.
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I am not taking him seriously untill he has something to show, a working website, and an action plan for producing the work.
Saying he is releasing under Taxi to Gate was a bad idea. He should trade under his own name.
I do think he should finish the work since he started. If the quality is good, maybe we'll see... At least we will know his level of quality for his upcoming products.
It better be really, really good to even compete. I won't spend the money twice for KMIA, nor do I think you or anybody else will. I'm sorry to say, but I think they would be wasting their efforts and should more to another project. I do wish them well, but I will wait for FSDT's KMIA.
If they release a good version of KMIA, I dont think FSDT would continue on and make it again. If FSDT has nothing invested in it at the time T2G releases KMIA, it maybe a dead project for them.
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I am not taking him seriously untill he has something to show, a working website, and an action plan for producing the work.
Saying he is releasing under Taxi to Gate was a bad idea. He should trade under his own name.
I do think he should finish the work since he started. If the quality is good, maybe we'll see... At least we will know his level of quality for his upcoming products.
It better be really, really good to even compete. I won't spend the money twice for KMIA, nor do I think you or anybody else will. I'm sorry to say, but I think they would be wasting their efforts and should more to another project. I do wish them well, but I will wait for FSDT's KMIA.
If they release a good version of KMIA, I dont think FSDT would continue on and make it again. If FSDT has nothing invested in it at the time T2G releases KMIA, it maybe a dead project for them.
Sorry to disagree with you, but I think you are wrong there..I don't think FSDT cares what others are doing (I think I've read that before, and why should they?) and I don't think T2G would beat FSDT in getting it done, even with a head start.
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I think it all depends on pricing and if he is in this as a business or a hobbyist. FSDT has already said they will do KMIA and I don't think that will change. If Junior's pricing is good, he may get quite a few sales. If he prices it at the level of FSDT, well, I think everyone knows how that would work out...FSDT with their established name will get the sales. But if he shows off a good product at a great price, he just might do well.
By the way, this probably isn't the appropriate forum to be posting this. Generally I would think you would leave news about possible competitors out of a company's website out of respect. ;)
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I am not taking him seriously untill he has something to show, a working website, and an action plan for producing the work.
Saying he is releasing under Taxi to Gate was a bad idea. He should trade under his own name.
I do think he should finish the work since he started. If the quality is good, maybe we'll see... At least we will know his level of quality for his upcoming products.
It better be really, really good to even compete. I won't spend the money twice for KMIA, nor do I think you or anybody else will. I'm sorry to say, but I think they would be wasting their efforts and should more to another project. I do wish them well, but I will wait for FSDT's KMIA.
If they release a good version of KMIA, I dont think FSDT would continue on and make it again. If FSDT has nothing invested in it at the time T2G releases KMIA, it maybe a dead project for them.
Sorry to disagree with you, but I think you are wrong there..I don't think FSDT cares what others are doing (I think I've read that before, and why should they?) and I don't think T2G would beat FSDT in getting it done, even with a head start.
I could be wrong, but I think they do care what others are making. It would make no since for FSDT to make KMIA, if they know that they have already lost 25% of the market that wants that scenery made. They are in the market to make the most money possible. I hope I am wrong, but I will buy which ever one comes out first (depending quality). If T2G releases KMIA, and it's quality is somewhere between Imaginesim and FSDT, there will not be a need for another MIA in the market. I own all of FSDT sceneries, and that is because they make sceneries that are not only in demand, but dont exist already, or havent been done for a looong time.
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one things for sure,ill definetly buy FSDT MIA scenary ;D...With any luck FlyTampa will make KRSW then i could do a qiuck american eagle ATR flight from RSW to MIA 8)
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Plus FSDT is always coming up with new addons . Such as the one that we cant ask about ;D ??? ya gotta love it
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I could be wrong, but I think they do care what others are making.
If the others are FlyTampa or Orbx, or Aerosoft, yes...but surely not everyone. We released KDFW a month after Blueprint, and it hasn't affected our sales at all.
Besides, we are not thinking FS9+FSX only anymore: MS Flight is coming, and the smaller companies will have an hard time catching up with it, at least initially, just like when going from FS9 to FSX.
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I could be wrong, but I think they do care what others are making.
If the others are FlyTampa or Orbx, or Aerosoft, yes...but surely not everyone. We released KDFW a month after Blueprint, and it hasn't affected our sales at all.
Besides, we are not thinking FS9+FSX only anymore: MS Flight is coming, and the smaller companies will have an hard time catching up with it, at least initially, just like when going from FS9 to FSX.
That's great news if I am understanding this to mean that you guys are going to proceed with KMIA.
Personally, I agree with what you said about the others like FlyTampa,Orbx, or Aerosoft, but when it comes to a virtually unknown developer that has been on then off, and now back on with a scenery, then I would proceed as well. This news comming out just now is a little late in my opinion since you guys just recently confirmed that you would indeed do KMIA.
Maybe a last ditch effort on thier part, but if they were really in such a hurry to finish this and get it to market, I would have imagined they would have come out with that news far earlier than a day ago.
Just my .02
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hi i think kmia is complex airport whit the new sky train so fsdt has lot expirience there, so we saw that in kdfw in dallas , and this types of buildings, in my opinion ;D kmia should be done for fs dream team top quality fsdt all the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
regards feer. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I read the thread and what I am gathering from it is this: They disappeared leaving everybody greatly disapointed. Now we finally read something that Intersim is being combined with Taxi2Gate. It begs the obvious question: Will KMIA really be completed or just fall to the wayside ???
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Now we finally read something that Intersim is being combined with Taxi2Gate.
Check the last couple of posts in that linked thread, he's also looking to join forces with Latin VFR. ;D
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Now we finally read something that Intersim is being combined with Taxi2Gate.
Check the last couple of posts in that linked thread, he's also looking to join forces with Latin VFR. ;D
My guess is, he doesn't have a team anymore and he is trying to put one together with existing developers hence his offer of joining him...
I think one should always finish what he starts. So I believe he should finish his MIA. Not for sales or money purposes, but to prove to himself and the community that he can do it. It wont do well going up aganst FSDT but if his quality is good some people will buy it. Blueprint is proof that some people will buy anything. And next time he will direct his attention to another scenery no one else is working on. From there he will start to get sales. So finishing his MIA should be the door for him to gain future customers.
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I could be wrong, but I think they do care what others are making.
If the others are FlyTampa or Orbx, or Aerosoft, yes...but surely not everyone. We released KDFW a month after Blueprint, and it hasn't affected our sales at all.
Besides, we are not thinking FS9+FSX only anymore: MS Flight is coming, and the smaller companies will have an hard time catching up with it, at least initially, just like when going from FS9 to FSX.
Hmmmm... could this be the project you are not telling us about? Perhaps there is a NDA with Microsoft going? Geroge from FT already somewhat hinted that Orbix did and perhaps himself as well... http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4310
I wouldnt be surprised if FSDT is onboard too... ;)
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fsdreamteam have started work in KMIA?
or they will finish KLAX and then work in KMIA.
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fsdreamteam have started work in KMIA?
or they will finish KLAX and then work in KMIA.
Work has not started on MIA. There is currently no timeframe on when it will start. Virtuali will let us know.
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hello guys...
first... congratulations to FSDT...nice work guys...
now..guys guys... any company can make any airport...thats how the competency work...but here at intersim... we are not competency to nobady...we only want make this virtual world more bigger and more real...but as friends always...at the end we are only here for the same point. WE LOVE THIS....
now about INTERSim..i know that i had a bad start due some internal problems but i tried to do my best ,,,thats why i had to close intersim for a short time...but as i said always..a better thing will be coming next...why i reply the message in the cayman virtual... simple.. we are not dead. just quiet doing all my best for a better start..we some free stuff..ect..I want sent all of the best luck to FSDT in their projects..really nice add ons guys..please continue in that way...thanks to all
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D Artist
ITERSim Studios
www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
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Junior,
Are you still going to be releasing Key West as well?
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yes sir...key west is one of our free airports,, thanks
(please i dont want take this website for private announcements)
:)
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D Artist
ITERSim Studios
www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
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i remove my other reply.
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junior sorry for saying that, if you do not like
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nonono...dont get me wrong... Jet22 ..its fine...just i dont want that the guys from FSDT think that i am stealing clients...ajajajajajajajajajajaa...its fine...thanks for your question... :D
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D Artist
ITERSim Studios
www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
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yes sir...key west is one of our free airports,, thanks
(please i dont want take this website for private announcements)
Key West eh ,sounds good to me ill have to get it when it comes out 8)....what other scenaries do you guys have?, ive never herd of intersim before ???
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just i dont want that the guys from FSDT think that i am stealing clients
Nobody thinks you're stealing customers, Junior, but you have to admit the announcement of your doing MIA coming after FSDT announces they're doing it seems a little too coincidental.
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It's a free market right? free competition for eveyone. ;)
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agree with you Lindbergh72
and Bruce Hamilton... if you read my message..what i said was that INTERSIM is not "dead"...and FSDT can make any airport ..they are really good ...so i dont think that the're going to cancel their project..and intersim was the first company making miami ...and several times i spoke with martin (fly tampa) about release a new version of miami but nobady want release miami and that was long time ago..so thats why we decided put our hands in the project,,after that a lot of companies are looking into miami and i dont have any problem with that..as we're in a free world ...as i said before,, i am not here for make me rich or competency..i am here trying to do a better virtual world for all.. and why i wrote here..becouse i was some time reading those messages about INTERSim and i want leave something clear.. we are not dead.. thanks
( i can't write about KMIA due some negotiations now) ;)
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D Artist
ITERSim Studios
www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
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nonono...dont get me wrong... Jet22 ..its fine...just i dont want that the guys from FSDT think that i am stealing clients...
It will take a little bit more than forum posts, to steal any customers from us. For example, what about learning to create a good scenery first, then starting your own website and forum, and try to get users there, instead of using our own payed web space, bandwidth and, most of all, notoriety ?
I remind you this is NOT a public forum. Normally, when you want to advertise your own stuff on another website, you BUY a banner, which gets more expensive the more popular the website is.
So, please, stop posting on all forums about your "company" not being dead. We are happy you are still alive, but the correct way of doing this, would be spending your time building a reliable website, getting customers, etc.
All things that are not easily doable, since (according to your signature) you are both "CEO", 3d modeler and texture artist. Not to rain in your parade but, sorry, this will never work.
Any successfull product is a TEAM work.
I'm perfectly able to do modeling, but I wouldn't do this in place of any of our modelers, because they are very good doing this, and because I'm supposed to do programming and support, which is my main task. I'm also able to do texturing, but I'm not making any textures, because we have a dedicated professional textures artist. And, there are more advanced stuff on the programming side, for which we have another programmer that is much better than me at this.
The times of the lone developer making a game product entirely on his own, selling and even supporting it, are long gone, since about 1986...
It's no use you keep repeating "I'll not get rich" (this is for sure, BTW...) or something like that. The moment you ask for user's money, you HAVE to act professionally. If you are not prepared to do this, you better stick to freeware. One of our designers made an extremely good freeware product, way better than many paywares around, before pretending to be able to do payware, then he joined us, and still had a long training period to learn lots of new things.
I have to ask you stop posting about your products, because it has gone way too far.
Not that we think you'll will "steal" even a single customer from us, but because it's just wrong doing business this way, like piggibacking on other developer's forum, or other embarassing things you did, like making business proposals on Latin VFR public forum. When you started announcing (the day after we said we are doing KMIA, how convenient...) you are still "alive", it was just laughable at first. Now, it starts to get annoying...
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@virtuali
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Oh Junior... Where do I start with you. Too many things for me to type, so I will just give Virtuali a +2
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and Bruce Hamilton... if you read my message..what i said was that INTERSIM is not "dead"...
Did you even read my message, Junior? I never said Intersim was dead... I said the timing of you announcing MIA after someone else announced it was a little fishy, nothing more. I don't believe you'd be doing MIA if FSDT wasn't.
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hey bruce don't pay attention about that ,kmia should be done fsdt all the way who care or what company ,fsdt miami international airport all the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lol long live fsdt .feer ;D ;D ;D
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Any successfull product is a TEAM work.
+3 except for the part bolded above. FlyTampa is Martin and George and Martin does the backend stuff as well as creates his sceneries. George also creates his own sceneries but isn't involved in the backend.
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+3 except for the part bolded above. FlyTampa is Martin and George and Martin does the backend stuff as well as creates his sceneries. George also creates his own sceneries but isn't involved in the backend.
That simply proves my case even better. Just count how many sceneries FT released in the last 3 years, vs us.
"Successful" doesn't mean "nice". It means commercially successful in order to maintain a commercial operation running, and not as a side or a part-time job, but as the main job for most of the team members. If we took 12-15 months, or even more, to create a scenery, we would have closed shop already.
And, FT were just very lucky to have a very good back-catalog of FS9 sceneries that kept them afloat, in an unusual situation of a still relatively strong FS9 market, which is not something that is very common.
Judging from some of their latest post on FT forum, it seems they are not very happy of their current sales, compared to what they used to be.
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the only thing that i can say is... "what an airport can do".
and ...Fly Tampa is one of the most sucessfull company with a lot of nice addons... the quantity doesn.t mean anything.. their are good and they are founders on this market.. and the rest of the companies are good too...evryone has a diferent style but their are really good..all.
Junior Puente
CEO - 3D Artist
ITERSim Studios
www.intersimstudios.com (under maint)
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Judging from some of their latest post on FT forum, it seems they are not very happy of their current sales, compared to what they used to be.
I think that's because they keep doing sceneries lately that as they put, they are interested in, and probably not so much as what customers are interested in. Look at what they used to make: KMIA, KSEA, KTPA, KSAN, etc, all big hubs that are pretty popular, compared to the last few offerings like The Grenadines and KBUF, not including Vienna which was an update to FSX. Granted Kai Tak is cool looking, but its a closed airport that requires some extra side work to get AI diverted to.
I would wager that if they started doing projects that customers are interested in like you guys do, they would probably have greater sales. Frankly, some of their latest stuff while probably really nice I haven't been in a hurry to rush out and buy, namely the The Grenadines and KBUF. Altough at some point in time I will probably buy their latest offering of Vienna and maybe Buffalo. My personal opinion is that if they had spent the time re-doing their FS9 stuff to work in FSX, which is often asked for, like Tampa, San Diego, Seattle, etc., their sales would have been much greater. From what they say, I think that they are into it as more of a side job or hobby than an actual business that they derive all thier income from.
Just my opinion, but that's how I perceive them to be.
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+3 except for the part bolded above. FlyTampa is Martin and George and Martin does the backend stuff as well as creates his sceneries. George also creates his own sceneries but isn't involved in the backend.
That simply proves my case even better. Just count how many sceneries FT released in the last 3 years, vs us.
"Successful" doesn't mean "nice". It means commercially successful in order to maintain a commercial operation running, and not as a side or a part-time job, but as the main job for most of the team members. If we took 12-15 months, or even more, to create a scenery, we would have closed shop already.
And, FT were just very lucky to have a very good back-catalog of FS9 sceneries that kept them afloat, in an unusual situation of a still relatively strong FS9 market, which is not something that is very common.
Judging from some of their latest post on FT forum, it seems they are not very happy of their current sales, compared to what they used to be.
Fair enough. I didn't take into account that you guys operate as a business different from FlyTampa in that they are more in it for the hobby...well, used to at least. I know George has been trying to use this as a full-time job type of thing and that is the reason he has gone for the smaller airports (kinda in a pickle...he needs the money from sales but he can't wait long enough to complete a major airport that would give him quite a bit more sales than the smaller airports).
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and ...Fly Tampa is one of the most sucessfull company with a lot of nice addons... the quantity doesn.t mean anything..
Sorry, but you are entirely wrong. The quantity means *everything*, when you have to pay the bills.
their are good and they are founders on this market...
Ok, I understand you are very new to this, and don't know much of the flight sim market but please, do some research first, before embarassing yourself with your lack of knowledge about this matter:
Not many commercial Flight sim developers were around in 1993, when I've started doing this professionally. FS was at version 4.0, and it ran under Ms-Dos, and other than us, I do recall only Mallard software (which was related to Bruce Artwick anyway), Aerosoft and not much else...
If you want to have a look of our first product...published in 1993 by this company, which was mine at that time, as it is today:
http://www.virtualisoftware.com/oldstuff/italyfs4_photo1.jpg
http://www.virtualisoftware.com/oldstuff/italyfs4_photo2.jpg
http://www.virtualisoftware.com/oldstuff/italyfs4_photo3.jpg
FYI, Flightsim addons back then sold better than today. It was back the market was "founded", and FT appeared on the market about 10 years later.
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wow! man I wish we had retail boxes like these now! a manual and even a plane model maps, those were the good days. :'(
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WOW!!!! I had no idea that you had been involved with FS that long. I have been heavy into FS since 1983, and I never even heard of you until C9. I knew of FT way before your company. Then again, the addons really were pointless to me prior to FS 95, and even then it was a small improvement. I didnt really see any value in addons til FS2002.
Eitehr way it doesnt really matter who or how people make the addons. Everyone has there own style, and there own creativness.
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I remember Umberto from the lago online days he had released the first gmax phnl scenery! lol God has it been that long its been so many years. I was really young too in my teens
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It's a complete shame this topic has gotten way out of hand. :P FSDT products are of excellent quailty period :)
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I have been heavy into FS since 1983, and I never even heard of you until C9
Ok, then these are for you:
http://www.virtualisoftware.com/oldstuff/ev_simulatori1.jpg
http://www.virtualisoftware.com/oldstuff/ev_simulatori2.jpg
http://www.virtualisoftware.com/oldstuff/ev_simulatori3.jpg
Now the explanation:
The year was 1984, and I was in high school back then, and also used to do part-time work for a company that sold software at the newstands (which was very hot in Italy back then) for the Commodore home computers. We did our own software, but the market back then was dominated by pirated copies of commercial products, sold in the open, just with changed names. We had funny italian names for games from Epyx, Electronic Arts, Microprose, etc. Copyright law in Italy didn't cover software until 1992 so, nobody could really do much against it.
The screenshots shows part of a compilation of Flight Sim software, which was released by this company I used to work with. It was distributed on 2 Cassette Tapes, and included stuff like Microprose "Solo Flight", and even SubLogic FS 2.0, all for the Commodore 64. This was FS2.0.
The issue was, FS 2.0 was a disk-only product but, in 1984, not many users could afford a floppy drive for the C64 so, my bosses asked me to do something about it so, with lots of hackery, I've put FS2.0 ON A TAPE and, while I was at it, I also translated in Italian! See the screenshots...( the name "Aldo Campanozzi" you see on the first screen, it's only the graphic designer that did the starting splash screen, I haven't put my name on it...)
I don't think SubLogic ever knew that FS2.0 on the Commodore had a special italian version, which was both illegally sold (well, in Italy, it wasn't technically illegal in 1984) and ran on a Tape, rather than floppies...
This "started" my career in Flight sim developement somehow...I'm not too proud of it, since it was basically an hacking but hey, I was only 17...
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that's awesome virtuali!
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that's awesome virtuali!
That's really cool Umberto its always fun learning more about people, who make some of the best add-ons on the market.
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Wow!! I really like the direction this topic is going. Umberto, holy crap! I hope this doesn't make you feel bad but you have been at this sence I was 5 years old. I will be 29 on Oct 31st. :o I had no idea how much passion you had in home simulation development. You are likely to be the longest time developer in the field. If Microsoft is not consulting you on their future product, they should!!! It really is great to see how far simulation has come over the years. This would make a cool History channel episode: "The History of Flight Simulation." You'd be all over it! ;)
http://fshistory.simflight.com/
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That takes me back to the early days. I was living in Hong Kong at the time, and I had a black market computer called a pineapple (Want to be apple I think), I had blackmarket copies of every game you can image. We I moved back to the USA, I got my first Commodore 64 w/ the floppy drive. Flight Sim in color was a huge jump for the time.
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that's awesome virtuali!
That's really cool Umberto its always fun learning more about people, who make some of the best add-ons on the market.
I agree. I always am interested to see how the developers got their start in the FS addon business, as well as what their interests are outside of the FS world. I think I remember Umberto mentioning once that he is also a musician and is, or was also in a band.
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I think I remember Umberto mentioning once that he is also a musician and is, or was also in a band.
Yes, in the late 80's I worked for Roland Italy, and I also was in a band (which still exists and doing very well today...) as keyboardist, playing professionally in clubs, until 1993, when I've started this company.
I found that many Flight sim developers are also musicians, Andras Kozma, for example, is a very good one:
http://web.axelero.hu/andkozma/kozma.html
but there are several others as well...
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I think I remember Umberto mentioning once that he is also a musician and is, or was also in a band.
Yes, in the late 80's I worked for Roland Italy, and I also was in a band (which still exists and doing very well today...) as keyboardist, playing professionally in clubs, until 1993, when I've started this company.
That's cool. You guys have any video online showing you guys playing, like on Youtube? I would be interested in hearing your band in action.
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I think I remember Umberto mentioning once that he is also a musician and is, or was also in a band.
Yes, in the late 80's I worked for Roland Italy, and I also was in a band (which still exists and doing very well today...) as keyboardist, playing professionally in clubs, until 1993, when I've started this company.
I found that many Flight sim developers are also musicians, Andras Kozma, for example, is a very good one:
http://web.axelero.hu/andkozma/kozma.html
but there are several others as well...
Hey thats cool! I had no idea Andras Kozma was a musician too, :) Umberto, you still play the keyboard when you have free time? don't you miss playing at the clubs?
That's cool. You guys have any video online showing you guys playing, like on Youtube? I would be interested in hearing your band in action.
I agree That would be really nice! ;D if there was some video of it.
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It's official!! Umberto must have a song from his band to company the LAX photos on the homepage when the scenery is released!!! Ohh yeah!! :D
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I entered the FS world with FS95, and have been a FlightSim fanatic ever since! :D
On the Intersim topic, personally Junior, I don't think you should go and try rivaling FSDT. Although you started KMIA before, your company quickly dissipated and nobody heard from you. Also, not to be harsh, but partnering with T2G wasn't the best idea, as their sceneries still need a lot of work. However, maybe try partnering with LatinVFR? With you and LatinVFR, you guy's could release many more sceneries at a faster pace. So i think that FSDT should go on with KMIA, even if Intersim is doing it or not, however I think Miami's market might be big enough, but you will have to expect FSDT's sales to be way higher.
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I think intersim should do KRSW or KSRQ instead ;)
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Thanks NG Pilot but at this moment we have another project on the table,,ajjajaajajajaja,, ::)
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Thanks NG Pilot but at this moment we have another project on the table,,ajjajaajajajaja,, ::)
We look forward to you getting your website online and making your announcements there. ;)
Cheers!
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Thanks NG Pilot but at this moment we have another project on the table,,ajjajaajajajaja,, ::)
U should make KSEA or KDEN ;)
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Thanks NG Pilot but at this moment we have another project on the table,,ajjajaajajajaja,, ::)
I wonder why no one will make them, ive made my own for them but there not nearly as good as FSDT's or FlyTampa's :P
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guys, this is the FSDreamteam forum, not the intersim forum, be respectful and do this on another forum
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Thanks NG Pilot but at this moment we have another project on the table,,ajjajaajajajaja,, ::)
We look forward to you getting your website online and making your announcements there. ;)
Cheers!
Well our website is ready and running... And i am agree with you spencer... We should talk about anothe topic or about fsdt sceneries,,
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Just so you know, and maybe no one noticed, but on the front page of your website where is says "Intersim Studios - We are the diference", the word diference is spelled wrong, it's difference.
I was surprised to see your selling the whole KMIA model and at the same time releasing it as freeware. I'm guessing if you sell the model, then you wont be releasing it as freeware?
Good luck with your new site. I'm interested to see some pics of the 787 you are making as you progress with development. You know that Quality Wings just announced the other day that they are making a 787 as well?
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Yeah i see some typing errors, nothing to major tho just the "difference" on the home page.
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well..sorry for this error.. but i am not american..i am cuban ..lol ..and i am trying to do my best with the english....but thanks to all for the correction...thanks
and as i said before..we are going to release miami..the model is one thing and the model with textures,and funtions for fs is another story....
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intersim studios is planing to relase KMIA free, what?
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well..sorry for this error.. but i am not american..i am cuban ..lol ..and i am trying to do my best with the english....but thanks to all for the correction...thanks
and as i said before..we are going to release miami..the model is one thing and the model with textures,and funtions for fs is another story....
You really need to go to your own website and discuss your products! This is the FSDT FORUM!! you have already been warned by a member of FSDT!
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well..sorry for this error.. but i am not american..i am cuban ..lol ..and i am trying to do my best with the english....but thanks to all for the correction...thanks
and as i said before..we are going to release miami..the model is one thing and the model with textures,and funtions for fs is another story....
You really need to go to your own website and discuss your products! This is the FSDT FORUM!! you have already been warned by a member of FSDT!
I agree... Mr. Juniorpm you must stop now! please understand that. >:(
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IDK this guy is interesting. He is selling the model for $350 but says he plans to complete and release the scenery anyway. WTF? Makes no sence... I will say the few textured models he has on his site do look quite good. I think he is going to do well as a developer once he gets his act together.
Virtuali, don't forget: We want your band's music on the homepage for the KLAX release!!! ;)
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IDK this guy is interesting. He is selling the model for $350 but says he plans to complete and release the scenery anyway. WTF? Makes no sence... I will say the few textured models he has on his site do look quite good. I think he is going to do well as a developer once he gets his act together.
Virtuali, don't forget: We want your band's music on the homepage for the KLAX release!!! ;)
That would be interesting. I was hoping for "I Love L.A. by Randy Newman.
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IDK this guy is interesting. He is selling the model for $350 but says he plans to complete and release the scenery anyway. WTF? Makes no sence... I will say the few textured models he has on his site do look quite good. I think he is going to do well as a developer once he gets his act together.
Virtuali, don't forget: We want your band's music on the homepage for the KLAX release!!! ;)
That would be interesting. I was hoping for "I Love L.A. by Randy Newman.
That was my first request but I really want to hear the band... And can't do that for Miami because the Miami Vice soundtrack.. I suppose they could upload both songs...
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IDK this guy is interesting. He is selling the model for $350 but says he plans to complete and release the scenery anyway. WTF? Makes no sence... I will say the few textured models he has on his site do look quite good. I think he is going to do well as a developer once he gets his act together.
Virtuali, don't forget: We want your band's music on the homepage for the KLAX release!!! ;)
That would be interesting. I was hoping for "I Love L.A. by Randy Newman.
That was my first request but I really want to hear the band... And can't do that for Miami because the Miami Vice soundtrack.. I suppose they could upload both songs...
I am sure that if we ask nice enough, V can post a link to his band. I would like to hear that myself.
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Ok, let's try that.
Umberto, um... may, uh... can... would you mind if... well you know... the band, and uh.. music.. well I was uh.. well wondering if.. you know... the band.. and music....
dammit can't do it!
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Umberto...ummm... may you...ummm.... the most awesome man in the world...umm... give us a link to your band? please ::)
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/04/puppy.jpg (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/04/puppy.jpg)
^the puppy is sad :'( , show him your music
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IDK this guy is interesting. He is selling the model for $350 but says he plans to complete and release the scenery anyway. WTF? Makes no sence... I will say the few textured models he has on his site do look quite good. I think he is going to do well as a developer once he gets his act together.
So after all, it really looks like this act really is together... And it's quite impressive too... So although it seems FSDT is going to be working on KLAX for some several months to come, what may be the backup airport if FSDT doesn't do a MIA? Intersim is also going to use ESELLERATE to sell the airport so is there some form of collaboration perehaps? Umberto?
http://intersimstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=94&start=70
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Intersim is also going to use ESELLERATE to sell the airport so is there some form of collaboration perehaps? Umberto?
That's news to me. Of course, if they would like to license our sales system, we'll surely not do another KMIA ourselves.
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Intersim is also going to use ESELLERATE to sell the airport so is there some form of collaboration perehaps? Umberto?
That's news to me. Of course, if they would like to license our sales system, we'll surely not do another KMIA ourselves.
Very interesting! They are very much claiming on their forum that they will use the ESELLERATE system Junior PM said it himself:
http://intersimstudios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=174
So if they do complete the KMIA, do you plan another poll or do you have a good idea of what the next scenery will be after KLAX?
D'
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That's news to me. Of course, if they would like to license our sales system, we'll surely not do another KMIA ourselves.
Oh no, a possibility of no FSDT KMIA..
I was hoping FSDT would still consider doing KMIA if their product ends up being no good or BluePrint Sim style. I would imagine that a lot of us were hoping for the FPS freindly FSDT version of KMIA, but its understandable if FSDT decides not to do it if their product ends up being a good product.
Now we just need to see if theirs ever gets released. The famous 45 days has come and gone like the wind that they said it would take to complete, so I guess we will just have to wait. Hopefully it come out prior to LAC being completed so that FSDT can evalute their product and the situation before starting the next airport which most likely would have been MIA.
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Intersim did not decide to adopt eSellerate just like that.
They must have had some connections with FSDT prior to that.
I would put my hand under fire...
Dom Mason
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That's news to me. Of course, if they would like to license our sales system, we'll surely not do another KMIA ourselves.
Oh no, a possibility of no FSDT KMIA..
I was hoping FSDT would still consider doing KMIA if their product ends up being no good or BluePrint Sim style. I would imagine that a lot of us were hoping for the FPS freindly FSDT version of KMIA, but its understandable if FSDT decides not to do it if their product ends up being a good product.
Now we just need to see if theirs ever gets released. The famous 45 days has come and gone like the wind that they said it would take to complete, so I guess we will just have to wait. Hopefully it come out prior to LAC being completed so that FSDT can evalute their product and the situation before starting the next airport which most likely would have been MIA.
True but they keep working on so many projects at once thats why no release yet. But if you saw the pictures from my link the quality by far surpasses Blueprint. Lets just wait for more screenshots and ground textures too. But from what I have seen so far, if the quality deplicted from the screenshots will reflect the entire airport, then no point in FSDT doing it. FSDT can focus on another airport we all want.
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It does look good so far Junor is really approving all the time and it seems he got someone to do the textures having a good texture artist makes a huge huge difference in 3d models and the overall look of the airport objects buildings etc if the textures are bad its gonna look horrible even with the most awesome looking models. will be interesting to see if intersim studios license Umberto's add-on manger with esellarate.
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True but they keep working on so many projects at once thats why no release yet. But if you saw the pictures from my link the quality by far surpasses Blueprint. Lets just wait for more screenshots and ground textures too. But from what I have seen so far, if the quality deplicted from the screenshots will reflect the entire airport, then no point in FSDT doing it. FSDT can focus on another airport we all want.
I didn't see the scren shots before I posted that. All I read was that link you posted but didn't see anything else.
After finding the shots they look pretty good, much better than BluePrint.
Well, you never know now, this just might not be a bad version after all. So far the textures look good, all that remains to be seen is how well it will perform. It seems that performance is always the hardest thing for most developers to master when it comes to designing airports and sceneries. So far FSDT and FT have proven to be the masters of making large hubs in FSX work well, now all we can hope is that Junior and his crew can properly optimize their version to do the same.
I suppose that if it ends up performing as good as it looks I will go ahead and jump on it. Until then I will just stick to using the FS9 version of FT's KMIA in FSX since there is nothing better.
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True but they keep working on so many projects at once thats why no release yet. But if you saw the pictures from my link the quality by far surpasses Blueprint. Lets just wait for more screenshots and ground textures too. But from what I have seen so far, if the quality deplicted from the screenshots will reflect the entire airport, then no point in FSDT doing it. FSDT can focus on another airport we all want.
I didn't see the scren shots before I posted that. All I read was that link you posted but didn't see anything else.
After finding the shots they look pretty good, much better than BluePrint.
Well, you never know now, this just might not be a bad version after all. So far the textures look good, all that remains to be seen is how well it will perform. It seems that performance is always the hardest thing for most developers to master when it comes to designing airports and sceneries. So far FSDT and FT have proven to be the masters of making large hubs in FSX work well, now all we can hope is that Junior and his crew can properly optimize their version to do the same.
I suppose that if it ends up performing as good as it looks I will go ahead and jump on it. Until then I will just stick to using the FS9 version of FT's KMIA in FSX since there is nothing better.
That is very true Sean optimizing the scenery is also gonna be a very difficult thing to do, especially with a big airport like mia.
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...if they would like to license our sales system...
I thought eSellerate was owned by Digital River.
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I thought eSellerate was owned by Digital River.
Of course it is, but it's just a sales system, it's not integrated in Flight Simulator, which is what we do.
However, the sales system, trial/activation method and the link with eSellerate now accounts for less than 20% of the Addon Manager features, most of it now relates to get more and more fps optimizations (no wonder why even Flightbeam KSFO has been regarded by anyone as been fps friendly), ground Shaders in FSX and the basically unlimited flexibility we have with the Couatl/Python script engine. We basically run on our own development platform now.
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I thought eSellerate was owned by Digital River.
Of course it is, but it's just a sales system, it's not integrated in Flight Simulator, which is what we do.
However, the sales system, trial/activation method and the link with eSellerate now accounts for less than 20% of the Addon Manager features, most of it now relates to get more and more fps optimizations (no wonder why even Flightbeam KSFO has been regarded by anyone as been fps friendly), ground Shaders in FSX and the basically unlimited flexibility we have with the Couatl/Python script engine. We basically run on our own development platform now.
I see. So do you think JuniorPM is planning to use your system with all the added perks or do you think he plans to connect to esellerate from FS by other means? I just think it's interesting that he announced this without contacting you first...
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So do you think JuniorPM is planning to use your system with all the added perks or do you think he plans to connect to esellerate from FS by other means? I just think it's interesting that he announced this without contacting you first...
As I've said, I don't have any idea, using our system would be the logical choice without having to reinvent the wheel (Qualitywings and Flightbeam realized that), with the added benefit to be sure they'll never get competition from us, but if they prefer starting from scratch, it's their choice.
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I'd be really mad if Intersim did this. All this time I've waited for FSDT or FT to do a great scenery like MIA, and Intersim comes with an "ok" version to mess it up. Anyway, time will tell.
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I'd be really mad if Intersim did this. All this time I've waited for FSDT or FT to do a great scenery like MIA, and Intersim comes with an "ok" version to mess it up. Anyway, time will tell.
Clearly you haven't seen the screenshots on the Intersim forum. I say give them a chance, so far it is looking really great and besides, if they haven't got it out by the time FSDT has completed LAX I think Umberto would still do MIA as Junior already said the MIA scenery would be completed by now. I do agree that he is trying to do too much at once. Either way regardless of who does KMIA he is sure to do very in sales of the Miami city scenery!!
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I'd be really mad if Intersim did this. All this time I've waited for FSDT or FT to do a great scenery like MIA, and Intersim comes with an "ok" version to mess it up. Anyway, time will tell.
Clearly you haven't seen the screenshots on the Intersim forum. I say give them a chance, so far it is looking really great and besides, if they haven't got it out by the time FSDT has completed LAX I think Umberto would still do MIA as Junior already said the MIA scenery would be completed by now. I do agree that he is trying to do too much at once. Either way regardless of who does KMIA he is sure to do very in sales of the Miami city scenery!!
I agree, but if you notice, 3d renders look different from actual in-sim shots. The 3d renders almost always look 10x better than the product, depending on the experience that the dev. has. Intersim really needs to take it one at a time. They are doing too many things
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At first when I saw the screenshot(s),The airport terminal looked like a spaceship and not an airport building :o . In any case will have to wait see what becomes of Miami International Airport.
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Intersim really needs to take it one at a time. They are doing too many things
Totally agreed. Way too much going on at once.
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At first when I saw the screenshot(s),The airport terminal looked like a spaceship and not an airport building :o .
That is what the actual terminal looks like.
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Is there any release date?
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Hi
Another question about eSellerate/Digital River,
Are eSellerate and/or Digital River fully/partly shareholders of Virtuali s.a.s. and consequently, FSDT ?
I am sorry, Umberto, if you already answered that in the past.
Dom Mason
Airdailyx
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Is there any release date?
Maybe the end of the year?
Who knows? They said near the beggining of the year that it would be done in 45 days, which has well passed and they are just now showing some of the textures of a few terminals. My guess is that it will still be a few more months out, like Sept or later.
Like someone else said, I think they are trying to do to much at once, rahter than just concentrate on one project, finish it, then move on to the next one.
It will be interesting to see what the final project looks like, but more importantly, it will be interesting to see how well it performs. If it ends up being an FPS killer I will have to pass and just keep using the FT FS9 version in FSX, which is far from perfect, but better looking in some regards to the default version.
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Are eSellerate and/or Digital River fully/partly shareholders of Virtuali s.a.s. and consequently, FSDT ?
Even if they are, it really is NOYB. ::)
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Is there any release date?
Maybe the end of the year?
Who knows? They said near the beggining of the year that it would be done in 45 days, which has well passed and they are just now showing some of the textures of a few terminals. My guess is that it will still be a few more months out, like Sept or later.
Like someone else said, I think they are trying to do to much at once, rahter than just concentrate on one project, finish it, then move on to the next one.
It will be interesting to see what the final project looks like, but more importantly, it will be interesting to see how well it performs. If it ends up being an FPS killer I will have to pass and just keep using the FT FS9 version in FSX, which is far from perfect, but better looking in some regards to the default version.
Thanks for the reply.
The way is to settle for the outdated KMIA Fly Tampa.
Cheers,
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Are eSellerate and/or Digital River fully/partly shareholders of Virtuali s.a.s. and consequently, FSDT ?
LOL, I wish they were, but I guess they are too big to care for the flight sim market...
As I've said already, there's nobody "behind" Virtuali, no hidden funds or secret shareholders, and I'm not involved in politics, our business runs in the most straightforward way: we make our products, users buys them (after being allowed to Try them first), and we pay our bills with that. It can't be any simpler.
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Ah It's too bad, Umberto.
If Digital River was behind Virtuali, i would have some funny stories on their shareholders... !
Like this shareholder who made some business in Vegas with "Moe".
Too bad !
Dom
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Hi
Another question about eSellerate/Digital River,
Are eSellerate and/or Digital River fully/partly shareholders of Virtuali s.a.s. and consequently, FSDT ?
I am sorry, Umberto, if you already answered that in the past.
Dom Mason
Airdailyx
Hi Dom my understanding is that Virtuali s.a.s. made and owns the add-on manger program which manges the copy protection for the scenery, or aircraft or other products that use and license Virtuali s.a.s add-on manger, but it is more then that as it handles how the scenery is displayed and other technical things, that is limited in the fsx engine, Digital River owns esellerate they have no connection to Virtuali s.a.s, Virtuali s.a.s only uses Digital Rivers esellerate sales system. this is what I understand from the previous posts that Umberto has made over the years, Umberto if anything is incorrect please let us know.
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Thanks for your explanation, Silverbird.
I totally believe Umberto on this.
(besides, its never been forbidden to make business with "Moe" lol).
I will focus on KLAX release date and pray everyday that Umberto knows about spring dates (lol).
Dom
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Thanks for your explanation, Silverbird.
I totally believe Umberto on this.
(besides, its never been forbidden to make business with "Moe" lol).
I will focus on KLAX release date and pray everyday that Umberto knows about spring dates (lol).
Dom
lol looks like Umberto and you posted while I was writing my previous post lol lets get surprised by fsdt and klax. :D