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Title: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ptysimmer on April 17, 2020, 12:54:27 am
Clean installation on a Clean new Windows 10 64-bit HDD with NO other simulators installed.
(see attached JPG)

Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: KaptainKaos on April 18, 2020, 09:03:38 pm
Are you using ORBX, Vector.... If so, you have to exclude KFLL on the Altitude Correction tab of the configuration app
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ptysimmer on April 18, 2020, 10:25:29 pm
Dont use Vector...... Is it working for you ? KFLL in V5 ?
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: RichW on April 21, 2020, 06:49:20 am
I'm not using Vector and I have the same problem with floating runway signs.

Richard
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Avidean on April 23, 2020, 03:52:55 am
I'll add myself to the mix. Came here to report this exact issue with KFLL. I see same as in phot'os above. Plus to the east along the cost there is a cruise ship on the land instead of in the water. Not sure it that is this scenery of P3D V5. Anyway I don't fly in or out off here much but a fix would be nice:-)
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on April 23, 2020, 10:43:53 am
We are working on it. We only updated the installer for KFLL, but haven't change any file so, it's likely required to do the same fix we did for all the other sceneries, which is redoing the exclude and adding GSX/SODE jetways.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: curt1 on May 03, 2020, 01:26:07 am
I installed KFLL into V5 today, and noticed there is an elevation problem.  The taxi and runway signs are all up in the air, and there are hills and mounds surrounding the airport.  I'm using Orbx Global Base and North America landclass (not Vector).  Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: RichW on May 15, 2020, 08:23:04 pm
We are working on it. We only updated the installer for KFLL, but haven't change any file so, it's likely required to do the same fix we did for all the other sceneries, which is redoing the exclude and adding GSX/SODE jetways.

I appreciate the effort you guys put into all the scenery you support and know you will get around to updating. Will there be notification when a new installer is available.

Thanks ... Richard
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: DavidJBecket on June 02, 2020, 04:37:32 pm
We are working on it. We only updated the installer for KFLL, but haven't change any file so, it's likely required to do the same fix we did for all the other sceneries, which is redoing the exclude and adding GSX/SODE jetways.

I appreciate the effort you guys put into all the scenery you support and know you will get around to updating. Will there be notification when a new installer is available.

Thanks ... Richard
  I'll add my name to the list. I have both P3Dv4 and P3Dv5 it is OK in P3Dv4 but I have this same problem on P3Dv5.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: anscad on June 11, 2020, 07:25:06 pm
Also looking forward to the fix.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on June 12, 2020, 03:41:19 pm
We fixed the Hawaii airports, KFLL is the last one left to fix.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Patrice_fsx on June 13, 2020, 05:33:08 pm
Hi,
Exacly the same for me. All trhe taxi signs are in the air and there are some walls around the runways.
I have the installer "kfll_fsx_setup.exe" dated  29 april 2020
Is there a fix for that?
Thanks.
Patrice.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on June 13, 2020, 11:54:31 pm
There was already a thread about this so, please, try to check the previous posts before opening a new one:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,23373.msg158470.html#msg158470

And yes, we are confirmed we are working on a fix.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ptysimmer on June 29, 2020, 06:33:33 pm
We fixed the Hawaii airports, KFLL is the last one left to fix.

Is there a timeline for this fix to be released ?
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: micstatic on July 07, 2020, 07:32:48 pm
I'm curious about this too.  I have the same issues.  Raised signs and some elevation issues going on.  Is this exclusion fix still on your list?
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: tangjuice81 on July 07, 2020, 07:37:44 pm
Following. Same issue here.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ptysimmer on July 20, 2020, 07:58:18 pm
Will KFLL ever work for P3D V5?? I have even sent DM to developer with no answer at all.  If it WONT work, please let us know so we can check other options instead of waiting for something that will not happen.  Its just plain courtesy.  Thanks !
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: micstatic on July 20, 2020, 09:36:10 pm
my guess is that they are very busy getting ready for a brand new simulator and seeing how they will fit in with it.  I was waiting for this too.  Originally had FSDT then went with a newer one that was more updated.  However that newer one had a severe FPS issue.  So I switched back to FSDT.  Now the issue is fixed however on the other one, so I went back to that. 
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on July 20, 2020, 10:59:50 pm
We already confirmed KFLL will be fixed, but we don't have an exact timeline for that.

It's not "just" an AFCAD update, we must also create a complete GSX profile with it with SODE jetways, for reasons too long to explain here, which are related to an old bug in the sim ( which hasn't been fixed ), that can be fixed only by replacing all jetways too.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ptysimmer on July 20, 2020, 11:00:19 pm
my guess is that they are very busy getting ready for a brand new simulator and seeing how they will fit in with it.  I was waiting for this too.  Originally had FSDT then went with a newer one that was more updated.  However that newer one had a severe FPS issue.  So I switched back to FSDT.  Now the issue is fixed however on the other one, so I went back to that. 

I understand these are busy times...

However,

It doesnt justify not taking 1 minute and just write what the expectation for this scenery is......
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on July 22, 2020, 07:10:07 pm
It doesnt justify not taking 1 minute and just write what the expectation for this scenery is......

Which was already done, twice, in this very thread:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,23373.msg156576.html#msg156576

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We are working on it. We only updated the installer for KFLL, but haven't change any file so, it's likely required to do the same fix we did for all the other sceneries, which is redoing the exclude and adding GSX/SODE jetways.

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We fixed the Hawaii airports, KFLL is the last one left to fix.




Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: MervA on July 24, 2020, 11:17:35 pm
Umberto, thank you for spending the time to fix this, I realise that this is a older Legacy scenery, so the fact that you are going to fix this problem
is great.

Chow !

Merv Archer
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: DavidJBecket on August 28, 2020, 03:07:14 pm
I also is suffering from floating taxi signs and  I also have a plateau problem. nothing to do with Orbx Vectors as I don't have it. So I'll join this thread eager to see it fixed.


(https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118655945_10157385966632621_1253346025459922107_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=Rr2VJyuVBqgAX8eb6BN&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-2.fna&oh=fd760496d554b500aa9f7b4fee190dfe&oe=5F6FDC45)
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: DavidJBecket on August 28, 2020, 03:15:05 pm
I'll add my name here so I can maybe get an update once  the problems of floating taxi signs and elevation plateaus are fixed.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Teetwo on September 02, 2020, 05:00:47 am
+1
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: CXA001 on September 13, 2020, 08:30:44 am
Same problem here as well.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: canadagoose on October 15, 2020, 10:09:02 pm
Add me as well. Patiently, Looking forward to the fix. no worries, in the meantime I'll just divert to KMIA  ;)
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: RobC on November 07, 2020, 01:21:37 am
Waiting as well.

 thanks
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Raphael on December 14, 2020, 12:56:02 am
+1  Looking forward for the Fix
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Fardel on December 27, 2020, 12:24:24 pm
Hallo
I'm waiting too for the fix
Many Thanks
Paolo
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: gegarciar@yahoo.com on January 21, 2021, 05:26:40 pm
Same Issue for KFLL. Taxi signs and other objects floating around the airport.
Waiting for a fix

Thanks in advance
Regards,
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: vinceYHU on February 03, 2021, 02:32:53 am
So is this a dead project? There's been news, no updates, nothing. I'm disappointed that I can't use this scenery...

Frustrated  :-\
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Raphael on February 07, 2021, 02:20:33 am
I miss that one too..... one of my favorites indeed, despite it needs a little touch.....  Dont be discouraged, they will do their magic some day...  ;)

Happy flying!
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: william.m on March 08, 2021, 08:59:34 am
Hey Guys,

Appreciate all your hard work and assume you are very busy getting ready for FS2020, but is there any news on this one?

Cheers

Will
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: canadagoose on March 14, 2021, 03:45:23 am
Add me as well. Patiently, Looking forward to the fix. no worries, in the meantime I'll just divert to KMIA  ;)

...Not as patient anymore, it’s been almost a year since we were promised a fix for this issue, and judging by the activity in this post, the community has been patient. I understand your priorities obviously lean more toward the new MSFS2020 sim than P3Dv5 and profit drives decision, everyone has to make a living, I get it. I have MSFS and use it mostly for VFR, therefore I have no desire to purchase add on Airports, there is plenty to discover in MSFS without the need for purchased Addons. But, I do still enjoy P3Dv5 with all my addons (including your great products), in fact if you came out with a new airport for P3D there is a good chance I would buy it. Just a simple request, is there any chance you can give me just an honest hint of what we can expect in the way of a fix for this product?
Regards
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on March 15, 2021, 04:57:39 pm
Just a simple request, is there any chance you can give me just an honest hint of what we can expect in the way of a fix for this product?

You should have been grateful the scenery you bought in 2009, way before the P3D V1 came out, is still working just fine up to P3D 4.5, and you were never once asked to pay for updates.

I'm not sure there are any other developers that released fixes for P3D V5 for a 12 years old product, surely not for free.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ptysimmer on March 21, 2021, 04:10:22 pm
Thanks for that !.... But, you didn't answer his question ...... Can you give us a Hint ?  I asked you also about a year ago...... Keeping in mind that, back then, you already decided to go ahead and update the product, the fact that if we should be thankful to you, or not, is totally irrelevant ! ... It feels that you are "shielding" behind that premise ! And I say this with total respect to you and your work.  However, you DID mention KFLL was next to update last year.... So our question is, are you still holding that promise or not ? Should we go ahead and buy the other developer's version of KFLL or, instead, wait for yours to be fixed? Thats all I am asking.  I rather wait for yours !! As long as there is something real to be waiting for ! I think is a fair question at this point.

Thanks for your patience reading all these posts and taking the time to answer them.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on March 21, 2021, 10:29:14 pm
So our question is, are you still holding that promise or not ?

As I've said, multiple times, yes it will be fixed, but I cannot possibly say when.

The scenery was made a long time ago by someone that doesn't work with FSDT since several years, but that's not what really matters to you as users, because we made that promise as FSDT. However, it means we had a look at it, and it doesn't seem as simple as it was like in similar cases ( the Hawaii airports ), and we are having a bit of trouble figuring how the proper way to fix it, which is tricky considering this is still an hybrid FSX scenery with parts made with FS8 code.

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Should we go ahead and buy the other developer's version of KFLL or, instead, wait for yours to be fixed?

You shouldn't use the term "we", since this should be your own personal decision, depending how hard you need to use this old scenery in P3D V5.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ptysimmer on March 22, 2021, 01:22:49 pm
I Understand.  Thanks for the clarification !

Keep up the great work !
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Navigator40 on March 24, 2021, 12:32:56 pm
Too bad because it’s a great scenery
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Markito on April 08, 2021, 06:57:40 pm
Dear all,

I hope this message finds you well.

I have just installed KFLL and it seems that there are elevation issues in P3Dv5. I have taxi signs high above the ground, and it seems that the "lowered" airport terrain is not evenly levelled with the surrounding area.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Kind regards,
Marco
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: ywg256 on April 13, 2021, 11:28:48 pm
count me in with same problem.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on April 15, 2021, 08:49:32 am
There's already another thread about this. The airport is not really compatible with P3D V5, we are looking into it, but can't say when it will be fixed.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: surfinal on May 03, 2021, 01:32:58 pm
The same with FSX steam, airport sunk and sode jetways unreachable.Will there be a fix soon?
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on May 03, 2021, 01:38:37 pm
I merged all the threads about this and:

- The P3D version has already been fixed weeks ago, by running the FSDT Live Update

- The fix is NOT compatible with FSX. To use it in FSX, download this file:

http://www.virtualisoftware.com/update/FSDT_KFLL_FSX_fix.zip (http://www.virtualisoftware.com/update/FSDT_KFLL_FSX_fix.zip)

uncompress it in the Addon Manager\fsdreamteam\KFLL\scenery folder, overwriting the two files with the same name there are already there. If later on you run the FSDT Live Update, and it will suggest to update the KFLL AFCAD, always reply No.
Title: Re: FSX elevation issue
Post by: Breeze74 on September 05, 2021, 10:58:38 pm
Thank you for posting this fix. It fixed the elevation issue for me in FSX. I thought it was an Orbx Vector issue, but it wasn't. This did it!! I really appreciate it. I enjoy all the FSDT scenery and still enjoy FSX for commercial airline simulation. Thanks again!
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: u719826 on October 27, 2021, 12:42:47 pm
This is still a problem for me in FSX , the apron and taxiways are fine but as soon as I taxi onto either runway the aircraft sinks and disappears under ground
making the airport unusable...
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on October 30, 2021, 02:00:12 am
This is still a problem for me in FSX , the apron and taxiways are fine but as soon as I taxi onto either runway the aircraft sinks and disappears under ground
making the airport unusable...

Please check my last message, which has a fix specific for FSX.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: u719826 on October 30, 2021, 02:23:04 pm
I have applied your fix but as I have stated it doesn't work, as soon as I taxi onto either runway the aircraft disappears underground.....
also if this a new fix why is the AFX file dated 2015 and the CVX file dated 2012?
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on November 06, 2021, 10:40:35 am
if this a new fix why is the AFX file dated 2015 and the CVX file dated 2012?

That's previsely why that fix works, if you use FSX. It's not a "new" fix, is the file as it always was in FSX, for years.

So, maybe, your problem is elsewhere, for example some 3rd party scenery that changed the elevation, like something from OrbX, whihc must be treated properly to exclude KFLL.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: glw03 on November 07, 2021, 03:27:10 pm
Has there ever been a fix?  I have the same issue, entire airport is "sunk" down
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on November 08, 2021, 11:08:10 am
Has there ever been a fix?  I have the same issue, entire airport is "sunk" down

It's not possible to reply to your question, without knowing which simulator you use.

This thread is about P3D V5 so, assuming you didn't enter into it with an FSX problem, if you read the previous messages, you would have known the fix for P3D V5 has been released a while ago on FSDT Live Update.

If, instead, you entered as an FSX user in a V5-specific thread, if you read the previous messages, you would have known the P3D V5 fix doens't work on FSX, and requires reverting to the previous version of the files, which has been posted eariler in this very thread.

And if you read my last reply, you would have known that, if you still have elevation issues, regardless of the sim, they might also be caused by another scenery, usually OrbX stuf that is known to cause elevation issues to airports, and sometimes come with fixes to undo the damage they did, or have specific utilities to exclude some airports for being affected by their product.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: u719826 on November 11, 2021, 03:04:04 pm
For me, in FSX the elevation problem has been solved by disabling the AFX_KFLL_ALT.bgl in Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Scenery\World\Scenery (changed to .off).
I also use ORBX Vector which uses ABP_KFLL.bgl in Microsoft Flight Simulator X\ORBX\FTX_VECTOR\FTX_VECTOR_APT\scenery,  Airport and runways now display correctly.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: trisho0 on April 23, 2022, 06:37:25 pm
I reinstalled KFLL in P3Dv5.3 and I can see elevations problem. Any solution to get resolved the elevation? I ran LiveUpdate and not success yet.
Regards,
Patricio Valdes
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: virtuali on April 25, 2022, 11:28:52 am
I reinstalled KFLL in P3Dv5.3 and I can see elevations problem. Any solution to get resolved the elevation? I ran LiveUpdate and not success yet.

I can only repeat and confirm, if there are no OTHER products in conflict, there are no elevation issues at KFLL in P3D V5, it's just FSX users that need to download a separate file, because we fix we made for P3D V5 is not compatible with FSX.

As you can see from the previous post, his problem was caused by Orbx Vector, and it was fixed by removing the file related to KFLL from it.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Kalorien on September 11, 2022, 11:35:54 am
I merged all the threads about this and:

- The P3D version has already been fixed weeks ago, by running the FSDT Live Update

- The fix is NOT compatible with FSX. To use it in FSX, download this file:

http://www.virtualisoftware.com/update/FSDT_KFLL_FSX_fix.zip (http://www.virtualisoftware.com/update/FSDT_KFLL_FSX_fix.zip)


uncompress it in the Addon Manager\fsdreamteam\KFLL\scenery folder, overwriting the two files with the same name there are already there. If later on you run the FSDT Live Update, and it will suggest to update the KFLL AFCAD, always reply No.

Would you please reactivate the download of the fix.
Thank you

I downloaded the file with another browser, but it did not fix the problem. sinking Runway KFLL 1 shows the Ultralight far below the runway. sinking Runway KFLL 2 shows the Ultralight next to the runway.
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: Kalorien on September 11, 2022, 05:42:05 pm
Hey Umberto, you should make this as a sticky for FSX users

I did reinstall KFLL...updated KFLL....

Have you even read the post I've linked with the solution ? It didn't say anything about "reinstalling" and "updating", jt just said to remove your custom GSX profile.

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.as I taxi on to the runway..either one...the aircrafts falls and dissappears...

That's precisely because you reinstalled ( more precisely, because you updated ). As explained in the first post I linked for you, the one explaining how to download the FSX version of the AFCAD, the AFCAD which is online now works only for P3D, if you use FSX you MUST use the old AFCAD, the one in that post. If you update with the online updater, it will revert to the P3D version, that's why the elevation now doesn't work.

Now, if you see double jetways with the FSX AFCAD, it's because the FSX AFCAD it's an old version, which contains the original custom jetways for KFLL ( not SODE ), while the P3D version doesn't have any jetways, because they come with GSX.

This means, with FSX, you must remove the GSX profile BOTH in your %APPDATA%\folder, but ALSO in the Addon Manager\Fsdreamteam\KFLL\Scenery folder because, again, just like the updated online AFCAD is for P3D, the accompanying GSX custom profile is made for it so, you can't use it in FSX, otherwise you'll see double jetways.

So, use the FSX AFCAD ( the one linked before ) and remove all GSX profiles, so the scenery will have just one set of jetways, the one it originally came with.

case closed
Title: Re: V5 elevation issue
Post by: rpreciat on October 09, 2022, 04:51:13 pm
Are you using ORBX, Vector.... If so, you have to exclude KFLL on the Altitude Correction tab of the configuration app
It is not detected for ORBX Vector