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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ESzczesniak on November 06, 2009, 06:54:23 pm
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Well, what FSDT chooses to do with it is up to them. However, I just receieved an e-mail from Cloud9 (well actually it came by way of FSDT) stating that all support will go to FSDT. Included as part of this is that FSDT will make a uniform installer. What makes me most hopeful is the last line of the e-mail though...
- Cloud9 has agreed to give FSDreamTeam the right to use part of the previously released Cloud9 products, to create entirely new versions, to be sold by FSDreamTeam
I am so hopeful that not only may we see an FSX version of LAX, but also AES compatibility of the FS9 version. Truthfully I don't care if anything is changed on this scenery (it's great as it stands), but just want to be able to see it in FSX. Of course, I understand that FSDT may not choose to do this. Particularly since LAX sales for FS9 may not be much since most have already bought it. Still, I'm ready to buy it all over again for FSX. Anyway, just my hopeful rant.
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Got the email too... It blew my mind. Virtuali, before we start going crazy here, would you mind an offical statement about what that email means for the future or shall we assume the email by it's words and FSDT now has the full right to... Add AES to existing C9 products or create new EHAM and KLAX sceneries now for FS9/FSX... ?
Because if so... This is GREAT news! :D
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We obviously haven't made this agreement, just to support AES at KLAX...
However, nothing will now prevent us to do it but, it will fall into the "create new sceneries" part of the agreement so, in case we'll decide to remake KLAX, we'll try to make it compatibile with AES, but it will be a new product, not an update to the existing one.
And, of course, we can't even start *thinking* about new products, before we release everything we have in production right now. So, whatever new Cloud9 product we'll eventually decide to remake (IF we decide to remake one...), it will well into 2010 so, it's useless to discuss it right now.
So, for the time being, the only effect this agreement has, is that customers will have a single place (here) for support of FSDT and Cloud9 products. Nothing more.
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I was really excited about this Email too. For a moment, I had high hopes I could purchase the Cloud9 Phantom through your system via PayPal, due to the lack of a credit card. Reading your post above, I suspect that this is not the case though. :-\
Besides that bummer, it looks like a great deal and beautiful prospect for FSDT and its customers.
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We obviously haven't made this agreement, just to support AES at KLAX...
However, nothing will now prevent us to do it but, it will fall into the "create new sceneries" part of the agreement so, in case we'll decide to remade KLAX, we'll try to make it compatibile with AES, but it will be a new product, not an update to the existing one.
And, of course, we can't even start *thinking* about new products, before we release everything we have in production right now. So, whatever new Cloud9 product we'll eventually decide to remake (IF we decide to remake one...), it will well into 2010 so, it's useless to discuss it right now.
So, for the time being, the only effect this agreement has, is that customers will have a single place (here) for support of FSDT and Cloud9 products. Nothing more.
Absolutely understandable and I'm not expecting LAX. I'm just happy that it's now a possibility, even if on the distant horizon.
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Virtuali,
This is still very good news. For the time being, as you said, we have quite a few products on the horizon to look forward to. We don't even know what Hawaiian airports will follow PHNL which has me quite excited. So who knows what scenery we will be waiting for this time next year. Either way, it's official, my C9 KLAX is in the trash now that it won't be getting AES. So the next question is, will the other C9 sceneries get AES?
With the proposed new International Terminal for KLAX approved, I have a feeling sooner or later, FSDT will get there before another developer...
I would still like to buy the Pisa if you wouldn't mind reworking that one little jetbridge... As well as Regan! Pleeeeasssseeeeee.
Ok, Cheers! ;)
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Cloud9 and FSDreamteam together........one can only imagine the sceneries that will follow!! Great move by the both of you!!
Cheers,
Doug
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It's gonna be hard to pick but I cant wait to see the choises . Also this should increase the forum members here. Oooooo
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Even with klax without aes I wouldn't throw in the trash to me its a work of art even after all these years what I hate the most is default airports so I love my cloud9 klax hopfully time, money, permitting and things are well, fsdt can remake klax or other sceneries.
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Here's my vote for a new version of KLAX for FSX with AES support! :)
Jon
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I was really excited about this Email too. For a moment, I had high hopes I could purchase the Cloud9 Phantom through your system via PayPal, due to the lack of a credit card. Reading your post above, I suspect that this is not the case though. :-\
Besides that bummer, it looks like a great deal and beautiful prospect for FSDT and its customers.
I too was really excited and hoping that I can now finally purchase Washington for FS9 using PayPal as I do for FSDT scenery but after installing it and trying to purchase it inside FS I am sad to say that it is still via the old C9 buying proceedure and that does not allow PayPal payments! :( Please please please is there anyway I can pay for this via PayPal as I do not have a credit card and do not wish to get one just for this.
Mark ;)
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The reason why Cloud9 products never allowed PayPal payments, it's because PayPal only allows purchases to go through their Web page so, it's not available using the integrated purchase process inside Flightsim, but only via Web store. Cloud9 never set up a Web store, that's why PayPal payments were not possible until now.
In the next weeks, we'll unify also the purchase procedure, and set up a Web store for Cloud9 products.
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This is great news. :D It gives FSDT an opportunity to make new sceneries and update the cloud9 ones. Perhaps FSDT should make the cloud9 products compatible with Windows Vista or Windows 7 and with both fs9 and fsx instead of just 1. The cloud9 stuff was only compatible with Windows XP.
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Perhaps FSDT should make the cloud9 products compatible with Windows Vista or Windows 7 and with both fs9 and fsx instead of just 1. The cloud9 stuff was only compatible with Windows XP.
All Cloud9 products runs fine under Vista.
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I agree/confirm, no problems with Vista ;)
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So, after all this time, still no AES for LAX, eh?
Well, it's no use writing a bunch of criticism; it just angers the people you are hoping will make you happier.
But I gotta tell you, I am VERY unhappy.
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So, after all this time, still no AES for LAX, eh?
Well, it's no use writing a bunch of criticism; it just angers the people you are hoping will make you happier.
But I gotta tell you, I am VERY unhappy.
With all of the things that have to be done for LAX, AES is the least of your worries. I think the bulk of the people would much rather have an updated version of LAX than a 2 - 3 year old version with AES.
BL.
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Ok here is my position.
Virtuali said several times that the reason we won't have AES for KLAX was because it was property of Cloud9. Now that KLAX is under the full support of FSDT I really think C9 KLAX should be enhanced with AES for a few reasons.
1. I think it will boost sales.
2. It will fill a gap and keep all C9 customers happy untill FSDT decides to make a KLAX which could be at least a year from now.
3. What if FSDT never makes a KLAX?
I would really like Virtuali to reconsider.... At the very least, KLAX can have new life for us untill FSDT decides to make KLAX.
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At the very least, KLAX can have new life for us untill FSDT decides to make KLAX.
Their agreement allowed them to use parts to create new sceneries, not update old ones.
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At the very least, KLAX can have new life for us untill FSDT decides to make KLAX.
Their agreement allowed them to use parts to create new sceneries, not update old ones.
We are talking about small scenery modifications, not updates.
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With all of the things that have to be done for LAX, AES is the least of your worries.
Well it is, so there.....nyahh!
Actually, I'm fine with the quality of the Cloud 9 Scenery at LAX. I just got used to (read: hooked on), AES and the heightened "realism" it afforded and, since LAX is my "home airport" and I do most of my flying into and outta there, I thought it'd be nice to have AES there so I could go to an actual Southwest Terminal and have a jetway come slithering out to say "Allo dere." :)
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With all of the things that have to be done for LAX, AES is the least of your worries.
Well it is, so there.....nyahh!
Actually, I'm fine with the quality of the Cloud 9 Scenery at LAX. I just got used to (read: hooked on), AES and the heightened "realism" it afforded and, since LAX is my "home airport" and I do most of my flying into and outta there, I thought it'd be nice to have AES there so I could go to an actual Southwest Terminal and have a jetway come slithering out to say "Allo dere." :)
KLAX is my home airport too. I haven't used KLAX in like 2 years, but I believe the jetbridges do move. It's just a pain in the @$$ trying to slew the aircraft into the correct position to get it to work....
And it would be great for my SWA LAX-LAS sorties!! You have no idea how many times I have done that flight in real life....
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Virtuali said several times that the reason we won't have AES for KLAX was because it was property of Cloud9. Now that KLAX is under the full support of FSDT I really think C9 KLAX should be enhanced with AES for a few reasons.
Sorry, but being under "full support", doesn't mean Cloud9 KLAX is now our property. We have TWO agreements with Cloud9 right now, one for the support of old products, and one to use parts of the old scenery to create A NEW FSDT PRODUCT.
New FSDT products derived from Cloud9 products, might be created with an eye with AES compatibility. But no, we don't have any intention to work on Cloud9 products, just to allow AES compatibility.
Also, I don't think it does ANY sense to put work on KLAX just to have AES, and leaving out the update of the airport. All those modification put together are a major rework that, while we are at it, might be done using 2010 design methods instead of 2006 ones.
It's a simple matter of economics here: the "support" agreement for Cloud9 products we have now, can only support the cost of supporting users, and nothing more. It's only the chance to create a new FSDT product, that can justify the budget to put people working on modifying the actual scenery.
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Ok, but why would you really need parts of old Cloud 9 scenery to create a new one? I would like to think that you would simply create a new scenery from scratch insted of using outdated objects...
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Ok, but why would you really need parts of old Cloud 9 scenery to create a new one? I would like to think that you would simply create a new scenery from scratch insted of using outdated objects...
First, most of the objects are not "outdated", the biggest change the airport had was the runway that moved. And, of course, while people sometimes think 3d objects are the most important part of the scenery, in reality, a lot of time is spent on less sexy things like taxiways, ground markings, parking markings, vertical signs, etc. Those are certainly not "outdated", except in the parts relevant to the moved runways.
However, I would really like to point out the fact that we HAVEN'T decided to redo KLAX yet. And, even if we decided to do it, it's not sure will decide to reuse part of the Cloud9 scenery or not. With this new agreement, we simply have the CHANCE to decide what to do, but that doesn't mean we are doing anything, or have decided anything.
The only thing that's for sure, is that we'll not do any modification to the Cloud9 scenery. Supporting Cloud9 scenery means ONLY supporting users with reactivation and keeping the installers always compatible with our new stuff and newer OS. Nothing more.
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Hi guys, Umberto, to be honest I think the fastest way to get klax out, if fsdt decided to redo klax, it to use the current models like Umberto said its not outdated and the models that are in 3d studio max/gmax can be modified, re textured if they feel that it needs it I don't see any point in rebuilding everything from scratch when you have good sources already made now.
I can understand if the 3d models and source for the scenery was extremely old and low quality but that's not the case here with klax or even kmco, kdca,eham, they are very well made sceneries they still look wonderful after all this time. I'm sure when they get the chance and time they will redo klax, well at least hoping as that would be perfect with other fsdt sceneries like phnl klas.
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Thank you, Umberto, for bringing home my point.
Something as cosmetic as AES is nothing compared to having 7R/25L moved to its now proper place and widened, having Taxiway H installed, and all of the highspeeds installed to match. All of the other objects (as listed on the AF/D remain the same). Compare how LAX looked in 2006:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/LAX_airport_map.PNG (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/LAX_airport_map.PNG)
to how LAX looks now:
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00237AD.PDF (http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00237AD.PDF)
I'd think having the right runways and taxiways would be a bit more important than keeping the old setup and adding AES and other gate automation.
BL.
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I would like to know what happened to the excellent product Cloud 9 was working on? Namely VHHH which from the early screenshots looked a lot better than the one Imagine Sim is currently releasing
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Dead probally. Imaginesim's one is a great scenery I dont know what your talking about
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I am not a person who dislikes Imagine Sim. On the contrary, I have almost every airport they have ever made and I think they're fantastic But Imagine Sims version pales in comparison to the screenshots cloud 9 showed on their version of VHHH and I just wanted to know if FSDT might have plans to complete Cloud 9's excellent version.
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Well, in my opinion, fsdt has its own freedom on what they want to do with the cloud9 products. It's no use trying to tell them what to do. Hopefully, they might consider redoing LAX with all the updates. :D
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Well, in my opinion, fsdt has its own freedom on what they want to do with the cloud9 products.
No, they have a contractual agreement that specifies what they can and can NOT do with them.