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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Salgo99 on August 06, 2011, 09:47:57 am
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Hello, Simmers :)
What I believe let's make something smaller after LAX release for example KOAK Oakland International Airport I believe it's a good environment for FSDreamTeam And less pain to develop On the Airport.
Infact it has always been ignored for years and never has been completed, flight simmers has been waiting for years on a finished project for FSX and FS9 version.
http://www.oakartcc.com/scenery.php
Plus OAK has lots of connections with Hawaii and will make a good combination with FSDreamTeams Hawaii Airports.
NEW IDEA WITH SALES
One last thing if FSDreamTeam will have high sales if (virtuali) Umberto creates a bundle pack and call it (Californian Airports).
The smaller the Airports the faster it will be completed the better the sales will increase.
And can include:
-KOAK
-KSNA
-KBUR
-KLAX
also can combine KLAX into the package (under developed). KSAN will be avoid since its already taken by another developer. KSFO will not be included FlightBeam took over. KSJC will not also be included nor KSMF there already been developed on other payware and freeware companies.
Just like FSDreamTeam did with the Hawaiian Airports we can do the same as Californian Airports.
Or either has a different suggestion your welcome to comment...
thanks ;)
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If anyone agrees or disagrees
Or either has a different suggestion your welcome to comment...
No interest for me since Flightbeams KSFO sits right across the bay. Same reason I never bought FlyTampa's Midway since I already own FSDT's KORD which isn't very far away and also the same reason I would never buy KLGA since its so close to FSDT's KJFK.
The only airport I would ever buy that is in close proximity to another existing 3rd part airport is KMIA which is about 30 miles or so south of FSDT's KFLL.
I'd rather they do KPDX, KSEA, or KSAN.
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No interest for me since Flightbeams KSFO sits right across the bay. Same reason I never bought FlyTampa's Midway since I already own FSDT's KORD which isn't very far away and also the same reason I would never buy KLGA since its so close to FSDT's KJFK.
Suppose you had purchased Midway and Laguardia first, before Kennedy and O'Hare, would you or would you not buy them? Your anaology is like not buying Dallas Fort Worth because you already owned Dallas Love Field.
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No interest for me since Flightbeams KSFO sits right across the bay. Same reason I never bought FlyTampa's Midway since I already own FSDT's KORD which isn't very far away and also the same reason I would never buy KLGA since its so close to FSDT's KJFK.
Suppose you had purchased Midway and Laguardia first, before Kennedy and O'Hare, would you or would you not buy them? Your anaology is like not buying Dallas Fort Worth because you already owned Dallas Love Field.
That's what I was thinking... He says he won't buy OAK because of SFO, MDW because of ORD. But he has FLL and might consider buying MIA...backwards comparison.
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Suppose you had purchased Midway and Laguardia first, before Kennedy and O'Hare, would you or would you not buy them? Your anaology is like not buying Dallas Fort Worth because you already owned Dallas Love Field.
Yeah if Midway and Laguardia had come out first then I wouldn't have purchased JFK or ORD.
Although there is a stipulation. Say Midway and Laguardia had come out first but it was by BluePrint and I had bought them a while back just to have a 3rd party airport to fly to in that area, then I would go ahead and get the FSDT version of ORD and JFK since they are higher quality and larger hubs, and the fact that I have more interest in ORD and JFK anyways.
I still have not and probably wont buy FlyTampa's Midway since it's so close to KORD. Even as much as I like FT's stuff, Midway just doesn't interest me much. Now, if FSDT had never made ORD then yes, I would buy the FT Midway just to have a nice airport in Chicago to fly to, same for KLGA.
On the KDFW and KDAL subject, I actually purchased the BluePrint KDAL about 2 years ago since there was no KDFW and the fact that since I live in Dallas I wanted to have at least one 3rd party airport for my home town. However since FSDT's KDFW came out I have since disabled it in my scenery.cfg since its not really needed anylonger as I much prefer to fly out of KDFW and the fact that I like doing AA flights which originate out of KDFW.
That's what I was thinking... He says he won't buy OAK because of SFO, MDW because of ORD. But he has FLL and might consider buying MIA...backwards comparison.
Only because KMIA is a larger hub and has more international traffic coming into and out of it and the fact that the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area is one of my favorite places to vacation in the US and I have flown many times into and out of each hub and therefore dont mind owning each of them.
Of course the same could be said about KSFO and KOAK, one being like KFLL (KOAK) and the other being like KMIA (KSFO), but since I dont have a special fondness for San Fran, even though my dad and his side of the family are from there, it doesn't hold enough interest for me to own both SFO and OAK. I also never purchased or will purchase IS'es KSJC for the same reason, even though its not as close to KSFO, its still close enough that I dont want it.
There's really nothing to debate over my answer. The OP asked for opinions so I gave mine, which of course maybe different that other peoples decision, but there's really no need to disect my answer as its just my opinion and the fact that FSDT probably wont be making KOAK anyways.
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Am not trying to be rude here but I still don't understand about KMIA it's already in the works by Intersim Studios and there working on a high quality scenery on it Why do you want to wait for another one made by FSDreamTeam??? ???
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There's really nothing to debate over my answer. The OP asked for opinions so I gave mine, which of course maybe different that other peoples decision, but there's really no need to disect my answer as its just my opinion and the fact that FSDT probably wont be making KOAK anyways.
Lol, it really doesn't matter to me how you buy your sceneries. I just made the comment because I was bored.
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Why do you want to wait for another one made by FSDreamTeam???
Doesn't look like FSDT is going to do MIA because Intersim will be using their addon manager.
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I didn't buy FSDT KORD because of FT's KMDW. But since Martin didn't update KMDW for FS9, I am buying FSDT KORD after the FS9 update and hang up the KMDW.
And if we are asking for smaller airports, i'd go for KPIT, KMKE, KGEG, KSAN. But I suppose i'd also buy Oakland as well...
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Hello guys
There are also many isolated mid-size airports.
Little Rock, Albuquerque, Tulsa, El Paso, San Antonio, Savannah... Is there a market for these airports ?
I say YES.
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I've KORD and I've bought Midway anyway... I've JFK and I'm wating for a newer La Guardia or Newark... It has nothing 2 do with the fact that I've an Airport in that area, but always flying into the same airports will be boring from time 2 time, and Soutwest is landing at Midway, an important reason 2 buy it.
Every Southwest Destination is welcome. :)
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Is there a market for these airports ? I say YES.
MAYBE, provided none of the major hubs in the same area have been done. You list three in Texas, what is their relation distance wise to Dallas Fort Worth? Look at the number of large airports covered in Florida, for example, do we really need to have payware for the smaller ones as well?
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No, about Florida, you absolutely right, Bruce, but i would say that we need (i need) some mid-size airports between dense areas like Florida. So, i probably need airports like Tallahassee to fly enroute from Miami to Dallas and make a stop there (for instance). And Savannah or Charleston are good stops between Florida and the north-east. (by the way, my first memorable flights 20 years ago , was the hoping along the eastern coastline).
But if FSDT sticks to heavy airports, it's fine too. I have a bad presage about this and it seems that less and less designers want to make heavy airports....
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And fewer designers are doing airports in the United States, as well. George and Martin from FlyTampa seem to be the latest to bail on us, Imaginesim remade Denver, but their last two have been foreign.. you may have to resort to pleading with Blueprint for those airports you need.
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Already did.
IT seems that George and Martin are likely to make other US airports later but mid-size airports...
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And fewer designers are doing airports in the United States, as well. George and Martin from FlyTampa seem to be the latest to bail on us, Imaginesim remade Denver, but their last two have been foreign.. you may have to resort to pleading with Blueprint for those airports you need.
Not totally Bruce...
http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&start=45#p35246 (http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&start=45#p35246)
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He said he's not doing US airports for a while, but he didn't say he'd start doing them again, did he?
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Just the same Salgo99,the OAK was a good suggestion. That San Jose airport looked pretty good and not a bad price.
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ive been trying to get oakland for the past 5 years.. :'(
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He said he's not doing US airports for a while, but he didn't say he'd start doing them again, did he?
Yes he did... on the next page...
http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&start=60#p35274 (http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&start=60#p35274)
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What he said is "if there something in the US I can find that is interesting & might sell, then maybe." Maybe isn't a definitive yes.
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What he said is "if there something in the US I can find that is interesting & might sell, then maybe." Maybe isn't a definitive yes.
This is a more definitive yes than no Bruce...
http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&start=75#p35292 (http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4933&start=75#p35292)
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True, but another KIAD? ???
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Well the other 2 were made by IS and Blueprint... not exactly the same level as an FSDT or FlyTampa. Though, I'm rather curious as to what the reasoning was to ditch Spokane. Commuter flights between SEA, OAK, SFO, PDX, SAN, LAX, etc would seem to have put it on a moderate return-on-investment.
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Well the other 2 were made by IS and Blueprint... not exactly the same level as an FSDT or FlyTampa. Though, I'm rather curious as to what the reasoning was to ditch Spokane. Commuter flights between SEA, OAK, SFO, PDX, SAN, LAX, etc would seem to have put it on a moderate return-on-investment.
:) Great Choice , definitely agree
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ive been trying to get oakland for the past 5 years.. :'(
I agree :D also Onlinesimulationsolutions was also working on OAK and the company disappeared.
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Well the other 2 were made by IS and Blueprint... not exactly the same level as an FSDT or FlyTampa. Though, I'm rather curious as to what the reasoning was to ditch Spokane. Commuter flights between SEA, OAK, SFO, PDX, SAN, LAX, etc would seem to have put it on a moderate return-on-investment.
If I remember correctly, Buffalo didn't sell nearly as well as George had hoped. That is in reasonable proximity to numerous major airports as well. Something tells me that had he done Spokane, it would be much like Buffalo. But I'm guessing there is more to his decision than that.
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Well the other 2 were made by IS and Blueprint... not exactly the same level as an FSDT or FlyTampa. Though, I'm rather curious as to what the reasoning was to ditch Spokane. Commuter flights between SEA, OAK, SFO, PDX, SAN, LAX, etc would seem to have put it on a moderate return-on-investment.
If I remember correctly, Buffalo didn't sell nearly as well as George had hoped. That is in reasonable proximity to numerous major airports as well. Something tells me that had he done Spokane, it would be much like Buffalo. But I'm guessing there is more to his decision than that.
Perhaps a little more research into who-fly's-where would be a good thing. I rarely fly on the East Coast, and though I have Buffalo, seldom do I fly there because Niagara Falls used to bog my system down. I suppose it would be a good idea to poll those of us as to where we fly.
With the advent of Orbx and smaller airports on the West Coast, there is a draw to scenic areas. This may be a large stake in why Buffalo was not as successful; there was only one major airport from a well-known designer/publisher in close proximity ;).
In other words, there wasn't enough airports around it (say within 250-300 nm) to help support it. We just had JFK to fly to and from Buffalo. There are some great Canadian payware airports near Buffalo, but they were too close. That's why GEG makes more sense; as it supports commuter aircraft, and larger continental traffic. I think that's also why SAN was a success. LAX, LAS, SFO are rather nearby, and SAN also handles inter-continental traffic (and international traffic, for that matter). Plus, SAN also has an amazing approach into 27... and people really like a challenging, interesting approach. Just look at Kai Tak. It had been out of commission for years, but the FS community really supported it when FT did it.
So, that's my theory on airport development/placement - however, I'm sure the folks at FT, and especially Virtuali have taken a hard look at the numbers of sales, in addition to what they think would be a fun place to fly.
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Well the other 2 were made by IS and Blueprint... not exactly the same level as an FSDT or FlyTampa. Though, I'm rather curious as to what the reasoning was to ditch Spokane. Commuter flights between SEA, OAK, SFO, PDX, SAN, LAX, etc would seem to have put it on a moderate return-on-investment.
If I remember correctly, Buffalo didn't sell nearly as well as George had hoped. That is in reasonable proximity to numerous major airports as well. Something tells me that had he done Spokane, it would be much like Buffalo. But I'm guessing there is more to his decision than that.
Perhaps a little more research into who-fly's-where would be a good thing. I rarely fly on the East Coast, and though I have Buffalo, seldom do I fly there because Niagara Falls used to bog my system down. I suppose it would be a good idea to poll those of us as to where we fly.
With the advent of Orbx and smaller airports on the West Coast, there is a draw to scenic areas. This may be a large stake in why Buffalo was not as successful; there was only one major airport from a well-known designer/publisher in close proximity ;).
In other words, there wasn't enough airports around it (say within 250-300 nm) to help support it. We just had JFK to fly to and from Buffalo. There are some great Canadian payware airports near Buffalo, but they were too close. That's why GEG makes more sense; as it supports commuter aircraft, and larger continental traffic. I think that's also why SAN was a success. LAX, LAS, SFO are rather nearby, and SAN also handles inter-continental traffic (and international traffic, for that matter). Plus, SAN also has an amazing approach into 27... and people really like a challenging, interesting approach. Just look at Kai Tak. It had been out of commission for years, but the FS community really supported it when FT did it.
So, that's my theory on airport development/placement - however, I'm sure the folks at FT, and especially Virtuali have taken a hard look at the numbers of sales, in addition to what they think would be a fun place to fly.
SAN (San Diego) is being developed be Devinci
http://devinci.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/3-ksan-x/
so OAK(Oakland) will be the main airport not developed and other airports also.
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Looks like SAN is almost ready. :)
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Looks like SAN is almost ready. :)
It will be ready in September ;)
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One thing if FSDreamTeam will have high sales if (virtuali) Umberto creates a bundle pack and call it (Californian Airports).
The smaller the Airports the faster it will be completed the better the sales will increase.
And can include:
-KOAK
-KSNA
-KBUR
-KLAX
also can combine KLAX into the package (under developed). KSAN will be avoid since its already taken by another developer. KSFO will not be included FlightBeam took over. KSJC will not also be included nor KSMF there already been developed on other payware and freeware companies.
Just like FSDreamTeam did with the Hawaiian Airports we can do the same as Californian Airports.
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But Salgo, sorry to ask this but what's up with your own Oakland ? It was almost finished.
Dom
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Since he's asking FSDT to do OAK, I'm guessing he abandoned it.
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Hi Bruce
I don't get it, though. He was 90 % close to release it.
Dom
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Is that the one that was being made by Real Flight Environment? If so, the web site is gone.
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Is that the one that was being made by Real Flight Environment? If so, the web site is gone.
Well we lost all of my developers we were almost done :(, since the webpage had closed months ago also I had lots of spamming on the forum. FSDreamTeam can have a way better chance and then me with the quality.
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The smaller the Airports the faster it will be completed the better the sales will increase.
That theory has already been put to rest on this forum by Umberto.
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Does anyone know what happened to Online Simulation Solutions apparently they were working on OAK in the past there webpage is gone for years ???
Heres a Past Webpage archive of their Forum:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060716042140/http://www.onlinesimulationsolutions.com/forums/
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I would love FSDreamTeam to bring Oakland into the Market and its a great choice. :D
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You have a heart :D
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I would love FSDreamTeam to bring Oakland into the Market...
Too close in proximity to LAX and SFO, so you probably won't see it from FSDT. Blueprint or FlyTampa would probably be the best chance of getting Oakland to market.
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Don't forget IS San Jose International Airport is nearby as well. ;)
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KONT, KPSP, KSBA, and KLGB haven't been mentioned at all yet either. Perhaps it would be smarter would be to do 2 packs if you were going to do it. I would buy either way, Intrastate travel in CA is always fun.
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KONT, KPSP, KSBA, and KLGB haven't been mentioned at all yet either. Perhaps it would be smarter would be to do 2 packs if you were going to do it. I would buy either way, Intrastate travel in CA is always fun.
That makes sense :D