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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: christiaan on April 25, 2009, 08:11:21 pm
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I have the FS2004 installed on my 2nd HD (D), as it is not possible to install the 9.1 update, as I cannot use Cloud9 or DreamTeam, which requires this up-date, without removing the many add-ons I have installed over the last few years.
PLAN A
Is it possible to install the FS2004 also on the "C "HD so that I can start from scratch , install the 9.1 update and then all the Aircraft, Airports (both free and payware ) Ground textures etc. Incase Plan B goes wrong.
PLAN B
Then remove the FS2004 from the "D" HD and re-install FS2004 on the "D" HD to it's present state as now, with the update before removing the FS 2004 from the "C" HD as I like to keep this for none- FS2004 files.
I do not want to remove the FS2004 from the "D" HD until I am sure it will work and not be left with nothing.
I know it will take a while to get a FS2004 with the up-date back to the original "D" HD so that I can enjoy the DreamTeam sceneries but I can be patient.
If it is possible is there a way to copy FS 2004 files from the "D"to the "C" once the update has been installed.
As I mentioned I want to have the renewed FS 2004 eventually back to the 2nd HD as I only want the FS & related files on this HD
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I have the FS2004 installed on my 2nd HD (D), as it is not possible to install the 9.1 update, as I cannot use Cloud9 or DreamTeam, which requires this up-date, without removing the many add-ons I have installed over the last few years.
Who told you that, if you want to update FS9.0 to 9.1, you need to reinstall all the addons ?
The only thing you should check to successfully update to 9.1, is that both FS9.EXE and all the original .DLL in the MODULES folder are in their original unmodified state, otherwise the udpater will fail.
So, if you have patched the FS9.EXE to allow >2GB or you have patched it to eliminate the CD check, you need to restore the original .EXE BEFORE trying to run the 9.1 update, update, and than patch over the updated FS9.EXE
And, you might also need to remove the BACKUP folder the 9.1 updater creates.
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Hello Virtuali,
Sorry to impede on this topic, but I've been wondering, where can I get the 2gb patch for FS9? And, is the patch for FS no matter what OS you're running? I'm using Vista 64bit. And when when I install it, how much RAM will it be able to process then?
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My excused for this long post but I am desperate.
I have written before about this topic, I had used your sceneries without having the fs9.1 update, I do not know how, I presumed that it was installed with another airport down load.
On 29 april 13.34 all the scenery files from Dreamteam & Cloud 9 changed.
I thought maybe a new addon update was released on that date which may have deleted mine unintentionally
I only noticed this a couple of weeks later at EHAM and that the ADDON MANAGER had disapeared from the FS9 Taskbar.I can send you my e-mail addres so tht you can confirm my orders.
I installed the up-date in the same folder were all the other FS9 Files are fs9.exe, Modules,SCENERY etc.
I have not patched the fs9.exe in any way.
At your request I tried to start the fs9.1 update but if freeze up at the modules ABLSCPT. I then removed the update from the FS9 main folder.
The fs9.exe and 33 of the dll files in MODULES have the same date 13-06-3003 and number 9.0.0.30612.
I then tried an old addon manager O'Hare version 1.50.0.0 dated 13-03-2008 which seemed to install but when I started the FS9 I was asked to update the airport then the FS terminated.
When I tried to install I got the message that it was not possible because I did not have the fs9.1 update.
I then had to remove the bglman.dll as I could not start the FS.
In the module file I have3 DAT files also dated 13-03-2008, BGLMAN, bgl_fsdt and blgman_skymakers. which I presume remained over from the ADD-ON MANAGER when I could use your scenery.
Have a backup file which contains unpatch and unpatch.bak both with 0 kb changed 14-4-09 which is probably when I attempted to install the 9.1 update.
I downloaded the FS2004_is_Here, I did not need to alter anything as the path was perfect.
You also wrote
You can try to check write permission for the FS9 folder, perhaps the updater is failing because it can't write to it. Check the permission on the main folder, and give the "Everyone" user read and write access, and be sure to apply the setting to the main folder + subfolders.
I have tried to find this but I get a message that it is "simple " and the tick box is grey for everyone as it has a code" 5 (according to Internet) which means a high security risk.
Once again Virtuali thanks for your patience in the past.
I am desperate not only for the sceneries that I have lost but I also want to install your LAS VEGAS
Best Regards
Henry
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You have two different issues at play here:
1) Addon Manager: you just can't use an older version of it, because the current sceneries requires the version that comes with them, the older ones will not work anymore.
Note that, you might have been to have an older installer to run, because older installers (and all Cloud9 installers) did not checked for FS9.1 to be updated, but then the scenery wouldn't work properly, that's why we check the FS version in the current installers, so people would not install it in FS9.0 by mistake, only to discover the scenery would probably crash randomly because of this.
So, you have to use the current version, that requires 9.1 to be installed.
2) FS9.1 - The updater froze on ABLSCRIPT, but I don't think that file is the issue, it just happening to be the first in alphabetical order of the FS9\MODULES folder that needs to be updated, so the Updater failed immediately.
Having a BACKUP folder or not, should just change the fact that you get a message from the updater that you already have installed it, it shouldn't make it fail so, there's something else going on here.
You might try another solution:
- Manually remove FS9.EXE
- Manually remove all the original Microsoft .DLL modules in the FS9\MODULES folder. They should be quite easy to tell apart from the 3rd party modules, because they all share the same date/time
- Insert your FS9 CD1, run setup, and see if it offers you to "Repair" the installation, it should just restore the file you removed, in their original form.
- Try to run the 9.1 Updater, after having removed the BACKUP folder, if there's any.
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Two small questions,
Must I make a back-up of the files in case something goes wrong with a repair attempt so that I can paste them back if necessary.
The FS9.exe which is in the main FS folder has an aircraft symbol, this is the one you mean?
In the main folder I still have the fs9.1 update installer plus an un-installer file.
Shall I remove thee first.
Will repair cause any issues with all the payed and freeware addons which I have,
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Must I make a back-up of the files in case something goes wrong with a repair attempt so that I can paste them back if necessary.
It wouldn't hurt...
The FS9.exe which is in the main FS folder has an aircraft symbol, this is the one you mean?
Yes. And, it's much better if you turn on the View option in Explorer to show you the full name+extension of files AND, is also suggested to turn on the option to show system files, otherwise .DLL files might not be shown.
In the main folder I still have the fs9.1 update installer plus an un-installer file. Shall I remove thee first.
It's best to move just the 9.1 updater to another folder, before reparing. Don't touch the uninstaller. Remove the BACKUP folder, if you have one.
Will repair cause any issues with all the payed and freeware addons which I have,
As I've said already, no. Unless, something happens, you try to fix it in the wrong way, then you don't know what to do next, then you might screw it up to the point you can't recover it anymore.
But no, the update itself won't cause any problem to installed addons, what can cause problems might be wrong subsequent actions made trying to fix it in the wrong way...
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Thanks for your quick answer.
The fs9.exe. path is according to it's properties
D:\Program Files\Microsoft games\Flight Simulator 9
The fs9.exe and the default dll's in the modules can I make a back up in case of problems and put them in another place along the the 9.1 updater.
I am not an expert and therefore inclined to ask 10 times before I alter anything.
You have been extremely patient with me up to now which is greatly appreciated.
Henry
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The fs9.exe and the default dll's in the modules can I make a back up in case of problems and put them in another place along the the 9.1 updater.
Just create a new empty folder anywere (even your Desktop), copy FS9.EXE there, then copy the whole modules folder inside this new folder. This should be enough to give you a backup.
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I have just inserted CD 1
After set up I get 4 options
Express Install
Custum Install
Web Connection
Register Online.
Which do I have to use in order to the the "REPAIR" programme?
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Try to select FS2004 from the Windows Control Panel, and see if it offers an option to uninstall and an option to repair.
If it doesn't, or you don't see an entry for FS2004 in the Control Panel, perhaps your Windows registry for FS9 is wrong, missing, or pointing to the wrong folder. That might be also the source of your issues trying to update to 9.1
You can also try to run this utility from Flight1
http://www.flight1software.com/files/FS_Registry_Repair.exe
that should fix the registry entries. I don't know how it works, never tried it.
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Sorry to impede on this topic, but I've been wondering, where can I get the 2gb patch for FS9? And, is the patch for FS no matter what OS you're running? I'm using Vista 64bit. And when when I install it, how much RAM will it be able to process then?
Can someone help please? Is it an actual patch or is it a modification to the FS9.exe?
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Can someone help please? Is it an actual patch or is it a modification to the FS9.exe?
No, it's not a patch, it's a modification that you can do yourself with some .EXE editing tools
It has been explained here:
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1239243552/15#15
That post mentions several things, just follow the explanation when he discusses the >2GB patch.
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Thanks, that's what I was looking for. I googled it but couldn't find a good link off hand.
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Hi Vrtuali,
Sorry about the delay since my last post but I was not able to work on my computer.
Because I could not find the repair on the CD 1 I transferred the fs9, install update 9.1 & default modules back to the FS main folder
I ticked on the up-date install and got a message that the 9.1 update seams to be installed.
So I downloaded a new stand alone manager on the KJFK scenery.
When I tried to install it says that modules'g3d.dll was from FS9.0.
Am I getting any further in getting my sceneries back?
Regards
Henry
Checked the forum about this
I do not have a g3d.dll but still have the default GLOBAL & G3D dll's version 9.0.0.30612 in the Modules map
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I ticked on the up-date install and got a message that the 9.1 update seams to be installed.
As I've said, you need to be sure there's no BACKUP folder in the FS9 folder. If there is one, remove it.
If the 9.1 updater still refuse to run, you need to go through the repair route. You don't find a repair program in the CD1. Try to go into the Control Panel, as if you were to Uninstall FS9, then check if it offers you a repair option.
But, BEFORE you repeair, you need to REMOVE all the default MS .DLL from the MODULES folder, so the repair would be able to restore them and the 9.1 updater to update them.
Am I getting any further in getting my sceneries back?
The sceneries, as clearly indicated on the web site, requires the 9.1 update.
It's just that the older installers didn't checked before, but then we had to reply to support questions of users with 9.0, that wondered why the scenery wouldn't show up, and that's because the scenery works only with 9.1 so, even if there were no installer check, it woudn't work in 9.0 in any case.
I do not have a g3d.dll but still have the default GLOBAL & G3D dll's version 9.0.0.30612 in the Modules map
So, you have a g3d.dll and, as indicated by the properties, it's from 9.0. As I've said, unless you manage to properly install the 9.1 update, there's no chance the sceneries will ever work.
There might be another method you can try:
Do you have another PC or a friend with a PC to lend you ? Then, you can install FS9 there, don't install *anything* else, and then update it to 9.1
Once you have that FS9 updated properly, take the FS9.EXE from that folder, and all the .DLLs from the MODULES folder, and copy back to your FS9 installation. That might finally fix it...
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Going for the friend's computer.
When I install the new fs9.1 & modules what do I do with the update and uninstall installer in the main FS9 folder?
Is all the trouble because I installed the first time from outside the Flight Simulator?
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When I install the new fs9.1 & modules what do I do with the update and uninstall installer in the main FS9 folder?
Already told you what to do: When FS9.1 is correctly updated on the friend's PC, copy FS9.EXE and all the .DLLs inside the MODULES folder from the friend's PC to your FS9 folder. Of course, the FS9.EXE should overwrite the one you have, and the DLLs should be put again in your modules folder, overwriting what you have.
all the trouble because I installed the first time from outside the Flight Simulator?
Probably yes, it's always wrong to "install" without running the installer, because the installer does not just copy files, it also register FS9 with Windows.
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Downloaded the updated fs9.exe and default modules (32 files). New files all have the number 9.1.0.40901
I have not re-started the FS2004 since the up-date, do I need to start the FS9 after I have installed the new fs9 & modules before adding the installers.
The next question is how do I get you 3 airports ZurichX, New York and Chicago O'Hare back into Fs2004.
Through your website I received an e-mail about my e-Sellerate order history with the keys.
Which downloads do I need from your site, stand alone ADD-ON MANAGER, or the full versions.
Is there a special install order?
I do not know if it is important but I would like to inform you that I have to re-install 2 airports from Cloud 9 of which I bought the CD version, uninstalled them when I had the original problem
I have AVG Free and know that I have to disable the Resident Shield as Heuristics sees the blgman.bgl as a threat.
Once again many many thanks for your patience, it is greatly appreciated.
Henry
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I have not re-started the FS2004 since the up-date, do I need to start the FS9 after I have installed the new fs9 & modules before adding the installers.
It shouldn't make any difference but, it might be wise checking if everything works correctly by running FS9 before installing the sceneries.
The next question is how do I get you 3 airports ZurichX, New York and Chicago O'Hare back into Fs2004.
This is explained in the install manual, called fsdt_install_guide.pdf, which is located in the fsdreamteam folder, after installing any of our products. It's at Page 9.
However, since nobody ever reads the manual, we made this post here:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=649.0
Which downloads do I need from your site, stand alone ADD-ON MANAGER, or the full versions.
It depends how old are the full installers. Without knowing this, I suggest to download them all again.
Is there a special install order?
No, if you are installing FSDT only and you are using current installers. If you install Cloud9 as well, it's better to install Cloud9 stuff first.
I do not know if it is important but I would like to inform you that I have to re-install 2 airports from Cloud 9 of which I bought the CD version, uninstalled them when I had the original problem
It's best if you install the CD, then update it with the current version found on Cloud9 website, which is surely newer than that.
And, it's best to install and update Cloud9 products BEFORE any FSDT products.
I have AVG Free and know that I have to disable the Resident Shield as Heuristics sees the blgman.bgl as a threat.
This information is probably obsolete today. However, it might be still valid for older Cloud9 versions so, it shouldn't make any difference when you install FSDT (I have fully udpated AVG 8.5 with every options on, and it does not report bglman as a threat), but it might be better if you turn it off Resident Shield and Heuristics off when you install Cloud9.
In any case, it wouldn't change much because, even if, for any reason, the antivirus would block the installation of the Cloud9 version of the Addon Manager, as soon as you start installing FSDT stuff, it will update everything in any case so the antivirus shouldn't be an issue anymore.
At the end of all the installations, both Cloud9 sceneries (provided they ARE the latest version) and FSDT, will work together under the FSDT version of the Addon Manage.
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Virtuali
Many many thanks, I have my Dreamteam sceneries back.
The only thing I had to do was update Chicago & Zurich.
My next airport is Las Vegas.
Having an issue with Amsterdam from Clou9, still no airport. I updated the CD with the download version 1.04.
They said that I must contact them again if I had any issues.
Once again you have done a fantastic job in getting my Airports back, after nearly a week of my questions and your answers and patience.
Best Regards
Henry