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GSX Pro - Top or Flop?
Emi:
--- Quote from: virtuali on August 21, 2022, 01:22:04 am ---However, I don't think he was dishonest. I think he HONESTLY believed his CTD were caused by GSX, because there were some coincidences which *seemed* to indicate that, but they seem to have been disproven, since there's just too much evidence the CTD happened these days with an unusually high frequency even to users that never had GSX.
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Exactly this Umberto. We'll have to agree it would be too much of a coincidence to believe it would remotely be possible that Asobo introduces an issue exactly at the time GSX is released, and after it's uninstalled two flights go without issues. That believe is actually supported by one CTD happening right during a GSX pushback AND by even more users reporting the same after GSX is installed. Seems like it's almost impossible that that's a coincidence, right?
However that might possibly have happened here.
That's why I've put out an updated video adressing this very possibility:
https://youtu.be/1GexGufs1tQ
virtuali:
--- Quote from: Emi on August 21, 2022, 12:42:27 pm ---Exactly this Umberto. We'll have to agree it would be too much of a coincidence to believe it would remotely be possible that Asobo introduces an issue exactly at the time GSX is released, and after it's uninstalled two flights go without issues. That believe is actually supported by one CTD happening right during a GSX pushback AND by even more users reporting the same after GSX is installed. Seems like it's almost impossible that that's a coincidence, right?
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It's not "impossible", it might be unlikely but, in fact, the more and more evidence we are getting, seems to indicate EXACTLY that, check this post, which is just a summary of various posts on the Microsoft forum about this:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26580.msg174887.html#msg174887
It's clear from those posts, that:
- CTDs started basically *before* the day GSX came out, and started to happen to users that never had crashes before.
- MANY users have CTD who never installed GSX.
- MANY users have CTD and they reinstalled the sim from scratch, with zero add-ons
And it's continuing to be confirmed from some test users of this forum made:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26580.msg174980.html#msg174980
--- Quote ---I just performed 4 different tests the first:
- a flight between brussels and corfu with gsx and online service = CTD
- Same flight without gsx and online service = CTD
- Same flight with GSX and offline service = NO CTD
- I then returned to corfu - brussels with gsx and offline service = NO CTD
So this is not a gsx problem but a microsoft problem.
I apologize for pointing fingers at you Umberto
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Another one:
--- Quote ---I can confirm that before loading into a flight I turned all online services off in the sim and loaded succesfully into the sim, once I was in I just turned them all back on again. I don't believe this to be a GSX issue at all.
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So yes, however unlikely and improbable it might sound, the more and more evidence we get, the more it really seem there IS something going on MSFS servers, and it IS a coincidence that happen to start slightly *before* GSX came out, so close that lots of users assumed it was "caused" by GSX.
Bentree:
--- Quote from: Emi on August 21, 2022, 12:42:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: virtuali on August 21, 2022, 01:22:04 am ---However, I don't think he was dishonest. I think he HONESTLY believed his CTD were caused by GSX, because there were some coincidences which *seemed* to indicate that, but they seem to have been disproven, since there's just too much evidence the CTD happened these days with an unusually high frequency even to users that never had GSX.
--- End quote ---
Exactly this Umberto. We'll have to agree it would be too much of a coincidence to believe it would remotely be possible that Asobo introduces an issue exactly at the time GSX is released, and after it's uninstalled two flights go without issues. That believe is actually supported by one CTD happening right during a GSX pushback AND by even more users reporting the same after GSX is installed. Seems like it's almost impossible that that's a coincidence, right?
However that might possibly have happened here.
That's why I've put out an updated video adressing this very possibility:
https://youtu.be/1GexGufs1tQ
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Again an honest reaction Emmanuel....its all so confusing and expectations where so hi on the GSX release because many people really likes this must have addon for P3D.
What was not helping (and wich seems to turn around in a more positive way now) is the way Umberto is reacting on posts (or his lack of reaction).
I know he was overwhelmed by all the negativity....i wished he prevented this by getting a bigger betatest team and tested more longer.
Anyway...IMHO everything is getting a bit more positive and FSDT will sort many problems out in the future. (I for once will try to not judge too hard on the product and try to enjoy at least the technical pushback sequence)
Emi:
--- Quote from: virtuali on August 21, 2022, 12:54:40 pm ---So yes, however unlikely and improbable it might sound, the more and more evidence we get, the more it really seem there IS something going on MSFS servers, and it IS a coincidence that happen to start slightly *before* GSX came out, so close that lots of users assumed it was "caused" by GSX.
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I've read those posts and agree that the almost-impossible might actually be happening here.
Doing some testing myself right now, turned all the online services of MSFS off and will see if another CTD occures.
If none happens I'll install GSX again and will check again.
Of course there's a certain chance I might just be lucky on the initial flights and then be unlucky with GSX installed. But we'll see.
Emi:
--- Quote from: Bentree on August 21, 2022, 01:07:53 pm ---
--- Quote from: Emi on August 21, 2022, 12:42:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: virtuali on August 21, 2022, 01:22:04 am ---However, I don't think he was dishonest. I think he HONESTLY believed his CTD were caused by GSX, because there were some coincidences which *seemed* to indicate that, but they seem to have been disproven, since there's just too much evidence the CTD happened these days with an unusually high frequency even to users that never had GSX.
--- End quote ---
Exactly this Umberto. We'll have to agree it would be too much of a coincidence to believe it would remotely be possible that Asobo introduces an issue exactly at the time GSX is released, and after it's uninstalled two flights go without issues. That believe is actually supported by one CTD happening right during a GSX pushback AND by even more users reporting the same after GSX is installed. Seems like it's almost impossible that that's a coincidence, right?
However that might possibly have happened here.
That's why I've put out an updated video adressing this very possibility:
https://youtu.be/1GexGufs1tQ
--- End quote ---
Again an honest reaction Emmanuel....its all so confusing and expectations where so hi on the GSX release because many people really likes this must have addon for P3D.
What was not helping (and wich seems to turn around in a more positive way now) is the way Umberto is reacting on posts (or his lack of reaction).
I know he was overwhelmed by all the negativity....i wished he prevented this by getting a bigger betatest team and tested more longer.
Anyway...IMHO everything is getting a bit more positive and FSDT will sort many problems out in the future. (I for once will try to not judge too hard on the product and try to enjoy at least the technical pushback sequence)
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yeah, the amount of bugs in the normal operation of GSX suggest that something else might be wrong as well. Add to that the CTDs occuring right at the same time and a pretty clear picture can quickly develop that suggests that GSX is also responsible for the CTDs.
It would seem very unlikely that those are actually MSFS induced.
Adding to my personal confirmation BIAS, as Umberto pointed out, the issues started happening the day before the GSX release. But as a YouTuber I *have gotten* GSX a day before the public release. So I got it right at the moment CTDs started to happen.
What is always the first course of action if things start acting up? Reverse what you have done. So in my case: Uninstall GSX.
Before I did that I tried a full more day of flying and on those four sectors where GSX was installed I got CTDs on each one of them.
Then after I uninstalled it I did two more sectors, without CTD.
That is sort of a confirmation that it just HAS to be GSX. And then I recorded the video. 100% convinced that it HAS to be GSX.
A day later then however I had CTDs again. Initially of course I believed there might be leftovers from GSX causing them. So troubleshooting, more flights, etc. started. All of them taking time, actually taking the whole day.
Then in the evening I got more and more reports from people not having GSX, who also have CTDs and thus started searching elsewhere. And came across that topic in the MSFS forums.
That's why I recorded todays video, to let users know that there may be something else going on in the background. I'll do a second one this evening with the information how todays tests went.
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