FS2004 Default Terminal 2/3 .bgl

[virtuali]

I told you.... in the same configuration locked at 30 I get 30 all over HNL (All Hawaii Airports in fact) and get 30 at JFK except for one little area where it drops to 28/29.

I've asked for a very simple thing: fps at KORD, JFK and PHNL without changing anything. As I've said in my previous two messages, I've expected 3 numbers, which are still missing.

So, let's try it again:

1) How's the fps in normal use ? Please, indicate a number for all in the same configuration: JFK, PHNL and KORD, all in similar views, looking towards the most complex terminals.

After 3 requests, we are at 2 numbers for JFK and PHNL, we are only missing the 3rd. How is your fps at KORD now, without changing ANYTHING compared to the configuration at JFK and PHNK ?

And yes, I refuse to test in the default aircraft b/c I don't use them..... So they could get 100+ at K3/4 for all I care (I have tested it btw).

It's because your wrong attitude about this (IT'S A TEST, can't you undertand ?? I'm NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO USE IT THAT WAY!!! I need a RESULT!! ), that I've tried an alternate route, asking you to provide the 3 figues with your Level-D airplane at KORD, JFK and PHNL. Can you do that ?

Should I roll back to an older Nvidia driver? That may help. If so, what is a good version for my card? I've seen 186.XX thrown around a lot.

And for the 3rd time in a row, you still have failed to reply to my 2nd question:

2) Does the fps still goes up when you resize the window and make it smaller ?

And, of course, does the fps goes up/down when resizing the window at all 3 airports ? And does the fps goes up/down with BOTH the Level-D and a default airplane in a similar manner ? I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO USE A DEFAULT AIRPLANE at KORD. I'm asking you to TEST THIS.

[gmcg]

I don't know what you want sir....

I've said it many times now....

I guess I'll spell it out.....

KORD (near gates K3/4)
- 25FPS locked at 30

KJFK (99% of the airport)
- 30FPS locked at 30

PHNL (as well as Hawaii Vol 1/2)
- 30FPS locked at 30

I don't know how else you want me to say it but I've said it about four times now.

Default C172 @ KORD
- 30FPS locked at 30

When I minimize at KORD, the FPS goes up to 28-29 locked at 30 in the LDS 767 b/c of the smaller screen resolution.

[gmcg]

I'm done with it.....

My current rig ins't that bad and it runs FSDT KORD smooth and holds the FPS in like 95% of the airport.

Since we're not getting anywhere (60+ posts to this point) I'm just going to upgrade the mobo and CPU in a few weeks.

Thinking....

AMD FX-4170 Zambezi 4.2GHz (4.3GHz Turbo)

or

AMD AM3+ FX 4170 4 Core Black Edition Zambezi 4.2GHz

Going to stick to Win XP for now until I'm ready to change. Should this new CPU get me the FPS back up at KORD? I mean its a jump from a Duo Core X6800 @ 2.93GHz to 4.2/.3 GHz quad core. There should be no reason why it shouldn't get the last few FPS.

[Bruce Hamilton]

Have you tried setting frames to unlimited, instead of locked?

[gmcg]

YES... doesn't matter since the it won't push past 25. In addition, I hate unlimited b/c FS starts to stutter like crazy. Tried an external FPS limiter too; no joy.

[Bruce Hamilton]

I'm getting better frames than that with FSX, so your graphics card is ether overloaded, or underpowered.  One of the biggest frame killers is AI, try setting your slider to 25% and see if that makes any difference.  I run mine at 15% and have plenty of company, both on the ground and in the skies.

[gmcg]

You're a little behind.... let me give you the cliff notes

* All testing is being done in the LDS 767 2D panel
* Based on my fs9.cfg/Nvidia Settings/Monitor Refresh rate, 30 locked at 30 gives me the smoothest game play
* I fly online only; no AI
* Issue is a 5 FPS drop at gates K3/4 and a 3ish drop in that area in general

I like that idea though of it being underpowered; my rig should have no issue with running both at 30. How do I check if its underpowered? I have Nvidia Inspector. That would save a TON of work/money going forward and a "extinguishing of this fire" that I've been dealing with  

Specs
FS9
LDS767
Win XP
Duo Core X6800 @ 2.93GHz
Ge Force 9800 GTX+ @ 1GB
2 GB Ram
500W PSU

[Bruce Hamilton]

Your graphics card is fine, the system is what is underpowered.  RAM is a cheap upgrade, put another 2 gig in it.

[gmcg]

Wait what? Windows XP can't use more than 3 IIRC.

Is my graphics card underpowered? How do I tell?

If I were to put in my old card (Gefore 210 @ 512 MB) would that fix things since that adds another 512MB to the system. Is that the same general idea you're talking about?

[Bruce Hamilton]

Windows XP will use up to 4 Gigs.  An extra 2 gigs of RAM is about $35.

[virtuali]

I don't know what you want sir....

I said it many times already, but you always failed to reply.

I've said it many times now....

No, you haven't. The last mention of an fps figure for KORD was 28 fps, but after all your tweaks, it probably wasn't very meaningful anymore, which is why I've asked for 3 times in a row, to make a test under a single configuration without changing any settings in between.

I guess I'll spell it out.....

After 3 times you failed to do that, it was about time...

KORD (near gates K3/4)
- 25FPS locked at 30

KJFK (99% of the airport)
- 30FPS locked at 30

PHNL (as well as Hawaii Vol 1/2)
- 30FPS locked at 30

I don't know how else you want me to say it but I've said it about four times now.

That's the first time you are able to put all 3 number together, not "four times now", it's ME that had to ask 3 times without getting a straight answer. Finally...

Default C172 @ KORD
- 30FPS locked at 30

That test is not very useful because, if you lock at 30 and get a 30, we'll never know if the fps was actually higher than that. Repet this test UNLOCKED.

[virtuali]

Windows XP will use up to 4 Gigs.  An extra 2 gigs of RAM is about $35.

Yes but, with his 1GB video card, adding 2 more GB will be wasted, because with XP the 1GB used by the card will use at least 1GB of the user memory. People should realize that, using XP or any other 32 OS with a 1GB video card is a no-no.

Upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit and adding the ram wouldn't be very expensive and will surely result in an improvement.

Here's another case of an user that was sure one of our sceneries had a frame rate problem (it was KLAX in his case) and guess what, he was using XP with a 1GB video card. Read his message on Avsim, after he upgraded to Windows 7 64:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/353381-cloud9-klax/#entry2160184

[gmcg]

I guess I thought I was providing this info.

So ill ask this again. If I went back to my 512 mb card would that help?

[Bruce Hamilton]

If you do that, you'll have less memory than you do now, so your frames would be even less.

[gmcg]

Ok so what should I do then? I'm getting two different theories.

You say more RAM and he says 32 bit XP & 1GB cards don't mix.

Should I just make the move to the new CPU? Windows 7 is not an option right now.