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« Reply #435 on: April 16, 2018, 04:52:52 PM »

Thanks 'PT' & 'micro' - the wonders of an inertia reel. AND... another fing wot bugs me are peeps cutting the fingers off of their gloves. Perhaps modern day jet cockpits are cool and never burn, only - who knows? Why wear gloves if youse cut off the fingers. Jeepers. If'n your in the water and gloves are a problem them TAKE THEM OFF toot sweet. EasyPeasy. Otherwise wear your damn gloves. Sheesh. :-)

Just the other month a GROWLER had an ECS Environmental Control System failure at altitude making the instruments unreadable due severe cockpit icing. One crewmember was reported as having FROSTbite! Fingerless Freakin' Gloves I reckon. They recovered the aircraft and received medals which is all well and good but I worry 'bout dem fingerless gloves awearin'. https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2018/02/23/flying-blind-and-freezing-navy-investigating-terrifying-ea-18g-growler-flight/ "...both pilot and EWO suffered serious injuries due to frostbite. The aircrew suffered from “severe blistering and burns on hands,” according to the Navy internal report...."
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"...Both the pilot and the electronic warfare officer suffered severe frostbite, including blisters and burns on their hands, according to an official report Defense News obtained. It's not clear if there were any other injuries...." http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18762/freezing-navy-ea-18g-crew-in-ice-filled-cockpit-navigated-home-using-their-smart-watches
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« Reply #436 on: April 17, 2018, 01:00:49 AM »

Spaz, I, too, am one of those guys who cut off the tips of my gloves - but only the tips of my thumbs and index fingers. With all the buttons and knobs in the cockpit, the nomex fingertips were just too bulky. You'd end up mashing things or not being able to grab small items. And yes, I did wonder if I would regret doing so if things got hot at some point.
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« Reply #437 on: April 17, 2018, 07:54:29 AM »

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Just the other month a GROWLER had an ECS Environmental Control System failure at altitude making the instruments unreadable due severe cockpit icing.
I've read a number of stories in the Navy's Approach Magazine regarding such failures in the Hornet. The ECS would fail COLD, and couldn't be turned off, even if they got low and dumped the cockpit to use RAM AIR system to try and warm up. On one plane, no one could duplicate except one crew.   Angry At least until the CO puffed out his chest and went up to "prove" it was OK. He came back blue in the face. Would have been red, buuuut...   Roll Eyes  Cheesy
Needless to say, it got fixed that night  Grin

I understand WHY some pilots cut the tips of the fingers of their gloves off, I just hope like heck it's never a problem for them. I've got a couple pair of Nomex flight gloves I used for riding motorcycles, and Micro's right. A real fine adjust would be difficult. I had a heck of a time trying to get a cigarette out to have a smoke while riding. Cheesy

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« Reply #438 on: April 18, 2018, 05:40:39 AM »

OK - I'll have to understand but complain why are not BETTER fingertip gloves available? Complain Complain Complain! :-)
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« Reply #439 on: April 18, 2018, 07:29:39 AM »

Spaz, you might get a kick out of this: Today, while in-flight, I brought up the fingertip discussion to my copilot. He got out of flying Prowlers/Growlers last year. He informed me that the new US Navy issue flying gloves actually are manufactured with the tips missing on the first three fingers. Go figure! Have a look...

https://www.amazon.com/Wiley-G312XL-Aries-Flight-Foliage/dp/B007XR9VC6
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« Reply #440 on: April 18, 2018, 07:35:42 AM »

The gloves, not to mention the rest of the flight suit, are designed, first and foremost, to protect the pilot's hands and wrists from fire. All other concerns are strictly secondary. Like fine adjustments of knobs, pressing of switches, pulling cigarettes out of the package, and so on. Cutting the fingertips, or even the fingers, of them degrades that capability. How much, I can't say.
By the way, having been electronics most of my career, I can tell you that as analog, or resistive type rheostats (adjusting knobs) age, they can get twitchy. Harder to do fine adjustments with, jumpy, and so on. At least with bare finger tips, you have a finer touch on them.
I am quite certain that if they were discovered by an officious, non-pilot type, like a QA officer, or higher up in the Safety Department, there would be words had, or probably a Safety Stand-Down.
But you do what you gotta to get the job done. The guys that cut the finger tips, or again fingers, off are betting that either they won't be involved in a fire, or if they are, they won't be injured too badly with just that little bit of their glove missing. BUT, they can do the small, little, high dexterity jobs this permits. As needed.
Just make sure they get stuffed into a pocket before you come off the flight line after the flight. Leave no evidence Cheesy
And remember, it's always better to ask forgiveness than permission. More effective, too.  Grin

Thanks very much, micro, for giving us your perspective on all this. It really is appreciated, not to mention informative.
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« Reply #441 on: April 19, 2018, 06:37:14 AM »

Spaz, you might get a kick out of this: Today, while in-flight, I brought up the fingertip discussion to my copilot. He got out of flying Prowlers/Growlers last year. He informed me that the new US Navy issue flying gloves actually are manufactured with the tips missing on the first three fingers. Go figure! Have a look...

https://www.amazon.com/Wiley-G312XL-Aries-Flight-Foliage/dp/B007XR9VC6

AMAZING! Wow - Thanks for that info. Must be a really twiddly knob issue for sure. Thanks all for your info / input. Yep fire is / was a real worry....

Scrolling down the page at the URL I see other examples such as NOMEX - now that is gold for fire resistance.


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« Reply #442 on: April 19, 2018, 07:22:29 AM »

Those Nomex gloves, the green, full finger, no adjustments strap, leather palm, ones. Those are the only ones I personally ever saw on Marine Pilots. They're also the ones I have a couple-3 pairs of, for riding motorcycles. I don't ride any longer, but I've still got the gloves. Those are the ones I was talking about when I said I had trouble getting cig's out. The leather palms gave me a great grip for riding, though.
Got a flight suit I was issued off-the-books when I went through SEER School down in Pensacola. Had to wear it for the pool "stuff", and the week in the swamps.
At least they let me wear my own boots. The Viet Nam style boots are a LOT easier to swim in than the issue boots back then. I did swim qual in them in boot camp, though. Seemed like it took them a week to dry after that, although I've never had a pair fit better. Nifty little trick. Soak em in hot water, wear them dry. Custom fitted boots. Did it for every pair I got since then, too.

Those were the days, weren't they? Cheesy

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« Reply #443 on: April 20, 2018, 12:35:54 PM »

Back in my day (late 1960s early 1970s) the RAN FAA (Fleet Air Arm) had steel capped black suede flying boots with zippers up the side (as well as permanent laces never used) for easy boot removal when in water if required. Steel caps were specifically for the Sea Venom Martin-Baker Mk.4 seat and protection from the front instrument panel. All RAN FAA aircrew wore them. Envy of all but when wet and after a bit baggy. :-)

We started out with pigskin gloves with a short wrist length. Replaced by Nomex Gloves - with no leather - and very scratchy early nomex flying suits. Soon replaced by less scratchy nomex and nomex gloves with long wrist length which was a pain when wearing a watch that needed looking at during low level nav. So then the watch was over the wristband but beware taking off gloves before removing watch. Oh dear. In my day I don't think we ever had any leather in the nomex gloves but I could be mistaken.


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« Reply #444 on: April 22, 2018, 12:50:27 PM »

We didn't have them when I was USN aircrew nor have I seen them issued as an Army aviator (full fingered are for sale at BX/PX/NEX). I do have 3 colors of the standard flight gloves, OD green, Tan, and spooky guy black! Also the "jungle" boots are not approved for flight anyway, but agree with the comfort after breaking them in properly. I got to do SERE "C" up in Brunswick, ME in Sept.
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« Reply #445 on: June 21, 2018, 10:23:29 AM »

Guys,
Just stumbled across these good instructional videos from a real Hornet pilot. Based on DCS though, but still worth watching.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGQS-3AzMc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGQS-3AzMc</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN44wvtRsw0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN44wvtRsw0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xso1mMo_1Mg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xso1mMo_1Mg</a>
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« Reply #446 on: June 21, 2018, 10:33:24 PM »

Awesome find Paddles.  Very informative.  Thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #447 on: June 21, 2018, 11:15:55 PM »

There is another former Hornet doing the same, but I think his info is dated, Lex might have the sharper memory along with a good steady instructional tone.
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« Reply #448 on: July 03, 2018, 10:14:55 PM »

He just release another video about basic formation flying

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEDlx1EOMUo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEDlx1EOMUo</a>
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« Reply #449 on: August 21, 2018, 02:58:33 AM »

A pretty good one of a Case 2 recovery. Something to notice is how when he gets in close he brings the power to idle because the ball gets a little high, then goes to MIL at the ramp to save it. He does end up with the ball a little low, but hey, he made it on deck!!! Grin

https://youtu.be/aUifhhPLxpU
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