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ryanbatcund

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Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« on: April 23, 2011, 08:01:52 pm »
I've been receiving g3d.dll errors while flying to ORD from somewhere else.  The crash normally occurs when I'm at the range where the scenery loads, but FSX just hangs at this point.

Yet it loads fine if my flight starts at Ohare.  This crash scenario also happens at JFK.

I've updated my video drivers, etc, PC is stable.

FSX Acceleration
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Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name:   APPCRASH
  Application Name:   fsx.exe
  Application Version:   10.0.61637.0
  Application Timestamp:   46fadb14
  Fault Module Name:   g3d.dll
  Fault Module Version:   10.0.61637.0
  Fault Module Timestamp:   46fadb58
  Exception Code:   c0000005
  Exception Offset:   000ba79f
  OS Version:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
  Locale ID:   1033

Additional information about the problem:
  LCID:   1033
« Last Edit: April 23, 2011, 08:05:13 pm by ryanbatcund »

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 09:21:06 pm »
I'd put my money on a corrupted AI-plane texture.

Try to fly in with AI-traffic turned off.
If nothing happens - Happy searching the bugger  ::)

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 03:12:00 am »
Naw, I'm using default AI traffic.

Could be anything.... stupid Windows 7 - never had more problems with an OS!

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 06:05:38 pm »
Are you able to pinpoint a distance, even approximate, from KORD airport center reference point the crash happen ?

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2011, 10:06:12 pm »
I have been having the same issue for months.  Couldn't find anything specific after troubleshooting.  For me it happens about 25 miles out.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2011, 10:10:08 pm by falcon999 »

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2011, 11:43:42 am »
For me it happens about 25 miles out.

Ok, that safely discounts our KORD airport, since its loading range it's exactly 10.0 nm, nothing of it is loaded before that distance. It's either a problem with an AI, or with another addon for that area, like a terrain addon.

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 06:01:42 am »
I am also having problem flying to KORD. I have tried 3 times from KJFK and FSX CTD when in area of Chicago/ILL. Once it happened about 75 miles out and another on approach. I will deactivate scenery and try again. Here are the results I always receive:

Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name:   APPCRASH
  Application Name:   fsx.exe
  Application Version:   10.0.61637.0
  Application Timestamp:   46fadb14
  Fault Module Name:   g3d.dll
  Fault Module Version:   10.0.61637.0
  Fault Module Timestamp:   46fadb58
  Exception Code:   c0000005
  Exception Offset:   000ba79f
  OS Version:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
  Locale ID:   1033

Additional information about the problem:
  LCID:   1033

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Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name:   APPCRASH
  Application Name:   fsx.exe
  Application Version:   10.0.61637.0
  Application Timestamp:   46fadb14
  Fault Module Name:   g3d.dll
  Fault Module Version:   10.0.61637.0
  Fault Module Timestamp:   46fadb58
  Exception Code:   c0000005
  Exception Offset:   000ba79f
  OS Version:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
  Locale ID:   1033

Additional information about the problem:
  LCID:   1033

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« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 06:13:02 am by wb2002 »
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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 09:42:24 am »
I am also having problem flying to KORD. I have tried 3 times from KJFK and FSX CTD when in area of Chicago/ILL. Once it happened about 75 miles out and another on approach.

I repeat and confirm, that safely discounts our KORD airport, since its loading range it's exactly 10.0 nm, nothing of it is loaded before that distance. It's either a problem with an AI, or with another addon for that area, like a terrain addon. Fact that it happened once on approach, can simply indicate a problematic AI (if AI is the problem) was closer that time.

Even if you disable the scenery and the problem will not happen, that will not prove the problem was caused by the airport because, if you disable it, another AFCAD (probably the default one) will take place, which will call a different set of AI, or just *less* AI.

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 07:21:45 pm »
I've been getting this again.  Try this... fly around some random area far away from KORD, like NY state.  Then go to KORD.  Mine CTD's when the loading bar starts to load scenery.

This has nothing to do with AI or afcads!  I don't have any other AI (heck it's not even turned on), and the only afcad I would ever have is default.  Are you saying by installing FSDT scenery it doesn't replace the default acfad?  It should...

Anyway is it possible that installing newer scenery is making these errors?  Files conflicting?  I just installed your KDFW and KLAS and that's when I started getting the errors again.

So here's your FSDT folder, and the bgls... any look odd or out of date?  (not pictured is the last number 14 and KORD_sf.bgl)

The only other KORD bgl I have is default, but there is the default chicago.bgl scenery in Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Scenery\NAMC - perhaps that's the conflicting file?


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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2011, 08:21:14 pm »
I've been getting this again.  Try this... fly around some random area far away from KORD, like NY state.  Then go to KORD.  Mine CTD's when the loading bar starts to load scenery.

If you are getting a crash when loading scenery, then it's fairly sure it's NOT the airport, but it's a problem with the other terrain around. Our sceneries (at least, 90% of the objects) load AFTER the loading bar, because are not in the BGL files.

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This has nothing to do with AI or afcads!  I don't have any other AI (heck it's not even turned on), and the only afcad I would ever have is default.

AI could be the most *common* cause of a crash, but that doesn't mean it's the only one. The 2nd most common cause, it's the VTP scenery around. For example, here's a post of an user that, like you, initially believed our KJFK was the cause of its crashes, but it turned out to be Ultimate Terrain in his case:

http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?195815-My-Out-Of-Memory-Error-Solution

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Are you saying by installing FSDT scenery it doesn't replace the default acfad?  It should...

First, it shouldn't, since it's plainly wrong to "replace" the default AFCAD. If you have ONLY the default AFCAD, our will TAKE PRECEDENCE over it, provided of course you left KFJK on a highest scenery layer, which is where its installer puts it by default.

I was saying an entirely different thing about the AFCAD: If the problem WAS related to an AI, you might get the wrong impression of being related to the scenery, because it *might* disappear when uninstalling the JFK airport BECAUSE, in that case the default AFCAD would become active, and it would recall a different set of AI, perhaps not calling the problematic one. That was just an EXAMPLE, in case you'll end up thinking "I've removed the scenery, the crash doesn't happen anymore, so it was the scenery", which is not always the case, if you don't know the whole implications of removing a scenery in relationship to AIs

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Anyway is it possible that installing newer scenery is making these errors?  Files conflicting?  I just installed your KDFW and KLAS and that's when I started getting the errors again.

It's impossible that installing KDFW and KLAS would create a conflict at KORD. If you mix-match Addon Manager version, either you FSX will not start correctly, or the sceneries will not display at all.

In any case, I'll repeat it again:

- The scenery has a range of exactly 10 nm. Any crash happening farther than this, it's guaranteed not be caused by the airport.

- Most of the 3d objects are NOT loaded during the "Loading scenery" progress bar, but they load only AFTER the screen has gone back to normal flying. In fact, there's also a small delay, which means any crash that happens on the progress bar, it's unlikely caused by the airport.

If you can recall *exactly* at which stage of the progress bar the crash happened, it might help understanding which kind of data was being loaded at that time.

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2011, 10:36:58 pm »
Umberto, Thanks for your info. I tend to agree with you that the problem is not caused by KORD scenery however, I would appreciate if you would let this thread continue for a while so that we may find the reason for our mutual problem. I am trying other possible solutions and would like to have a common place to report any success I may have with this.

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2011, 05:51:46 am »

If you are getting a crash when loading scenery, then it's fairly sure it's NOT the airport, but it's a problem with the other terrain around. Our sceneries (at least, 90% of the objects) load AFTER the loading bar, because are not in the BGL files.


I just don't see why it couldn't be KORD...  I'm selecting KORD as the place to go to and it crashes.  It never crashes when I go anywhere else, just ORD.  It's has to be some conflict with the scenery.  I'll look at my folders again to find any irregularities.

I also thought of something just a moment ago.  Does any part of your scenery or the manager run in the Users folder?  Win7 is super finicky about file permissions and maybe that's causing a problem?  Example: C:\Users\myusername\AppData\Roaming
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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2011, 08:17:54 am »
Happy News - at least, for me. For  some time I have experienced CTD on flights from KMSY to KJFK or some other place heading east. When I tried from east going west (KJFK to KORD), I got CTD on 3 occasions. I even reinstalled KORD but, no change. After entertaining the idea that maybe it could be some other terrain files, I disabled UTX - under the "TERRAIN" tab, there is an option for "Quick Ultimate Terrain Enable/Disable". After disable, I tried flight from KJFK to KORD again. Upon entering the TOD for KORD, the weather was horrible. Visibility was only 6 miles, and it was raining. It was a demanding time for my CPU, memory and video card. Nevertheless, I safely landed on rwy 14L and taxied to gate, without any CTD's. Now I need to find out what I need to do about UTX - uninstall, reinstall or what?

I wish there was a software routine that ran as part of an program installation to insure the checksums of all the files installed with that addon. At least you would know if all the files were installed to the disk correctly.

For any that maybe having this ghost of a problem, try disabling UTX and try flight again and pls let us know if it worked.

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2011, 09:28:39 am »
I just don't see why it couldn't be KORD...  I'm selecting KORD as the place to go to and it crashes.  It never crashes when I go anywhere else, just ORD

When you are in the KORD area, there's a LOT of other sceneries loaded, apart for our KORD!! The terrain you see around comes from the default scenery and, if you have addons like 3rd party meshes, 3rd party VTP terrain addons, 3rd party photoreal addons, they are all loaded.

If one of these sceneries has a problem in the KORD area, the result would be exactly like you are describing: a crash ONLY in the KORD area, which makes you think the problem it's the airport, when it's not.

If you read the message in the link I've posted on flightsim.com, there was another user that, just like you, initially believed there was a problem with JFK, because he had a crash ONLY at JFK. Turned out to be Ultimate Terrain X

And, if you read the below message from wb2002, he also had a crash at KORD, just like you, and it seems to be fixed by turning off, guess what, Ultimate Terrain X...

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Re: Constant CTD's flying flying into ORD from out of area
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 10:48:41 pm »
That's funny cause I don't seem to have any problem in the Chicago area, and I'm running all sort of different paywares. Besides FSDT KORD, I have FlyTampa's Midway, US CITIES Chicago, UTUSA, REX, and GEX. I fly in real weather, and most of the time it's terrible. But I never had a CTD even when flying heavies like the 747 or Airbus. Perhaps I should try harder to see if I can crash! :o