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[virtuali]

Really looks great but I will be waiting untill at least a second Hawaiian airport is released before I buy it.

If everything goes according to the plan, PHNL will be released at the same time of the second Hawaiian airport. Those following the first two, will be released in the next weeks/monts.

And yes, there will be some package deals. We haven't decided any details but, in general, you can be sure we'll try to do our best to have you buy lots of airports...

[JamesChams]

I like that idea of multi-airport release and don't mind waiting for them too much.  But, ...
Will the "FSX Tool" be amoung those releases?  Or, is also another product that has now met the same fate as the FSDT Military Aircraft?

[virtuali]

Will the "FSX Tool" be amoung those releases?  Or, is also another product that has now met the same fate as the FSDT Military Aircraft?

Wrong comparison: we ALWAYS said that, in order to do any aircraft, we would FIRST need to wait the FSX market to soar, and this hasn't happened yet. We never STARTED any aircraft project, and we never said we did.

About the next FSX tool, we never said its feasibility was depending on the FSX market share, and we HAVE started working on it and we HAVE said it, we allocated people and working on it so, the two situations are not even remotely comparable.

[JamesChams]

Will the "FSX Tool" be amoung those releases?  Or, is also another product that has now met the same fate as the FSDT Military Aircraft?

Wrong comparison: we ALWAYS said that, in order to do any aircraft, we would FIRST need to wait the FSX market to soar, and this hasn't happened yet. We never STARTED any aircraft project, and we never said we did.

About the next FSX tool, we never said its feasibility was depending on the FSX market share, and we HAVE started working on it and we HAVE said it, we allocated people and working on it so, the two situations are not even remotely comparable.

The comparison I was making is between the "Fate" of the project and NOT on what you've "said" or "started"; which seems to change from time to time.  I know that your trying to make some point that the "tool" is in development BUT, exactly "HOW" are you gauging the FSX Market as a whole?  If its just on your sites user downloads, then that is NOT really a accurate depiction of the facts.  Besides, if all you need is financial backing, then name the price.

As for my earlier statements, you still haven't indicated wheather the FSX Tool is planned to be released with, before, or after PHNL/KDFW.  I was led to believe, by your previous postings/PM's, that it was due out by Sept'09, then that got pushed back to Oct/Nov or Dec'09 and now I'd like to have a more definitive answer, since I've "held-off" purchasing, per your suggestion, in anticapation of its release.

Also, If you might remember, you did indicate that you'd planned the FSDT Military fighter development at the begining of this year ('09) along with the hopes of users transitioning to FSX and the FSX Market being larger; which BTW already is!  Although many of the users here are die-hard FS9'ers, many of them are secretly FSX users as well.  They just have many FS9 purchases and no FSX versions of the same products.  For the rest, its an economic issue which is understandable considering the global issues.  So, what I'm saying is that in a few months many FS9 users may NOT be able to purchase your products due to personal financial issues and the ones that can have already moved on to FSX.  Do think about it some more and let me know a more straight forward answer, please.  I don't mind waiting, but I'd prefer no more double talk on these matter and, in return, I WON'T seem too "wishful" in my requests because I'll have some actual "facts" from you that hopefully WON'T change too much in the future.

[yankeesji]

James...Just open your own company and you can tell yourself whatever it is that you want to hear.....

[SirIsaac726]

James,

I think you are forgetting something...FSDT doesn't have to give a straight answer.  They are on their own timetable (what that is dictated by is up to them) and don't "owe" you a definitive day, week, month, or even year.

Also, I'd say the downloads on the FSDT is an accurate depiction of the market...that is, the market that is coming to their website to purchase.  The chances of that market changing at this point (with FSDT being very well known by now) in terms of total size, I would ASSUME is not very great.  So therefore, I would think gauging a depiction of the market off of what traffic you have on your own website is actually a good idea unless you plan to promote your products/website/company more in the FS community than they already are.

Anyways...this is all pointless speculation/gibber-jabber.

Regards....and much love.

[PUP4ORD]

  We all want to see KDFW/PHNL TO BE RELEASED SOON !!! I know I do and other people do as well. From seeing the previews from both airports,the work has progressed very well and we might be surprised to see both of them released before Christmas!!!

[virtuali]

The comparison I was making is between the "Fate" of the project and NOT on what you've "said" or "started" which seems to change from time to time.

Wrong.

Fate doesn't have anything to do with this. Opposite to what you think, the only thing that matters, is what we said, which has ALWAYS been:

1) we would LIKE to do an airplane, but we can't until the market situation is like this so, this one has NEVER started and, we never said anything different. In your dreams, maybe...

2) we ARE working on an FSX tool, which is made by the XPOI team.

I know that your trying to make some point that the "tool" is in development BUT, exactly "HOW" are you gauging the FSX Market as a whole?  If its just on your sites user downloads, then that is NOT really a accurate depiction of the facts.

Even if it's not absolutely accurate, when you have about 50% of the downloads for FS9, you simply can't say FSX has the whole market. And, we always monitored Cloud9 sales as well, that are mostly FS9, and those were always going, even when Cloud9 didn't updated their website in more than 1 year.

Besides, if all you need is financial backing, then name the price.

Any financial backing would need to recover the money spent, at some time. We simply don't think that is feasible to put the whole FSDT team working on an airplane for 1 year or more, and stopping all other releases, because there's no way to recover the costs, more so with FSX only.

If you ARE willing to take the risk, why not start your own business, recruit people, spend money, etc...? That's what free market it.

As for my earlier statements, you still haven't indicated wheather the FSX Tool is planned to be released with, before, or after PHNL/KDFW.

Since we haven't officially announced it yet, not even WHAT it is, I don't see why we should be bound by any release date. Normally, you FIRST announce a product, THEN you name the release date.

When we'll decide it's time to present it to everyone, it would mean because we'll have a clear idea of the release date.

[bkircher]

I love how some people take this stufff way to seriously. And think they can hold the developers to gun point because the developers do something out of order and is not what they said they would do or what ever the case may be. Really guys? Build a bridge and get over it, WHO cares if the developers do something out of order of what they said it would be. They can do what they want, WHY, because they can, they are the ones making the product and making the money. Anyone that has a problem with that either needs to keep it to themselves or get involved with a design company so they can do things how they want to do them.

Theres always someone that has to ruin the development topic because they think they know how to do things better than the developers.

Can we plz get back on topic and enjoy the development shots?

[romeocharlie]

I find this post on the Aerosoft forums very educational: http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=29043

Perhaps FSDT might consider a similar statement. I love the bit where Mathijs says forum users are their guests - very true.

Rob

[Bruce Hamilton]

Perhaps FSDT might consider a similar statement.

They don't need to.  Aerosoft sells other developer's software in addition to their own, and they get more belligerent and disrespectful customers.  Virtuali only has one or two to deal with.

[Brian S]

James...Just open your own company and you can tell yourself whatever it is that you want to hear.....

Classic

[moda]

  C'est magnifique!  thank you guys! my credit card is ready for your scenery 

[avalon2862]

James...Just open your own company and you can tell yourself whatever it is that you want to hear.....

 

[newmanix]

Oh God!! please, please, PLEASE don't tell me we are back at it again...

Virtuali, I am very pleased to hear at least 1 airport will be avail with PHNL. This year? So did work on the second airport begin yet or do you expect it to be very quick work?

Yes, I will be happy to buy both together.

Now, my only concern is AES. Oliver has been very silent about developments lately...