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Developer's Backdoor => GSX Backdoor => Topic started by: ericlanegen on January 05, 2014, 05:32:02 am

Title: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: ericlanegen on January 05, 2014, 05:32:02 am

The purpose of this thread is to give suggestions of additions to GSX and how to implement these into the program. I will use my suggestions as an example below.

Please view the video below.

Important points in the video.

• 1)Entire video- vehicles driving around airport
• 2)0:46- Marshaller truck
• 3)1:20- Marshaller places wheel chalks
• 4)2:03- Worker picking up trash
• 5)2:22- Tug with GPU or a/c unit
• 6)3:40- Jetway has Ground power and a/c cables

Explanation of Points

• 1)Simply add the vehicles to FSXs airport vehicles library with the install so they will be seen driving around the airport
• 2)Instead of the marshaller randomly appearing on sight have them drive up in a yellow/gold truck (or one with the airline logo depending on the handlers), get out, and walk into position then guide you.
• 3)After getting you parked, they place wheel chocks in front of and behind the nose gear and the front wheel(s) of the main gear. Location of main gear is based on positions chosen from the customize aircraft menu or from the aircraft config file.
• 4)Could be animated like the marshallers but not really that important to be added just yet.
• 5)GPU tug and a/c tug modeled like single carted baggage tug except the carts disconnect from the tug and connect via a cable for each tug to a point in front of the nose.
• 6)This is going to be tough. It would start with changing the default FSX jetways to include the cables and animation to connect to the aircraft in front of the nose (using the nose position with a slight offset) in the new model. This link may be of help.http://forum.avsim.net/topic/369137-fsx-default-jetway-texture-remapping. (http://forum.avsim.net/topic/369137-fsx-default-jetway-texture-remapping.)

Additional points

• GPU and a/c units are only used at parking spaces without jetways.
• Linkage with fspassenger for boarding and deboarding.

         

• Doors and jetways are controled based on fspassenger boarding times, are automatically opened and attached once chocks are in place, and close/retract when boarding in complete in fspassenger.
• Passengers walking up and down airstairs to busses when they are used.

• Cleaning crew walk up and down airstairs.
• Chocks are set in place when parking break is set and engines shutdown and removed when prepare for departure is selected. Additional menu before pushback to select immediate departure( everything vanishes instantly) or real time departure( vehicles drive away and haul stuff away and marshaller remove chocks.)
• Fuel truck driver gets out and attaches a hose from the truck to jet in a position offset to the front of the main gear or attaches a hose from the ground to the aircraft.
• Cleaning crew attaches hose to plane to drain toilets into the sewage system under the tarmac.

Detailed Video

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: Hnla on January 05, 2014, 06:14:42 am

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This is going to be tough. It would start with changing the default FSX jetways to include the cables and animation to connect to the aircraft in front of the nose (using the nose position with a slight offset) in the new model. This link may be of help.http://forum.avsim.net/topic/369137-fsx-default-jetway-texture-remapping.

This shouldn't ever be done, because one of the beauties of GSX is it doesn't have any relationship with the jetways. This would force Fsdreamteam  to have to become AES, and charge for airports to have support.

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Chocks are set in place when parking break is set and engines shutdown and removed when prepare for departure is selected. Additional menu before pushback to select immediate departure( everything vanishes instantly) or real time departure( vehicles drive away and haul stuff away and marshaller remove chocks.)

This shouldn't have to do with GSX, but this should have to do with the aircraft. For example, the PMDG NGX has the user set wheel chocks in the FMC.

Frankly, most of your requests are silly, this isn't a ground operations simulator. If Fsdreamteam did just GSX ONLY, maybe..

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: ericlanegen on January 05, 2014, 06:29:25 am

I guess you are right about some of my request but what about the linkage with fspasseneger to help smoothen out the flow. What about adding passenegers boarding the aircraft or including the aircraft driving around the airport.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: Hnla on January 05, 2014, 07:03:41 am

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What about adding passenegers boarding the aircraft or including the aircraft driving around the airport.

In my opinion, adding passengers to GSX would be something that I know Fsdreamteam would create very nicely, with proper animations, and with proper techniques, and would instantly put themselves above AES. Not that their only competition would be AES, but they've got a valuable potential with it.

The only problems I see with it, is that the only time you would really "see" virtual passengers, is when there is no jetway, and passengers are boarding the aircraft from a vehicle. Which is what, like 30% of the time? Almost all flights are with jetways, and of coarse adding passengers inside jetways is impractical.

Also, if Fsdreamteam did animate passengers, having to animate movement for the correct number of people would be tough. How is GSX supposed to tell what size aircraft you have? It would rise lots of complains if there were 50 people boarding a Boeing 777...

Plus, adding one animation for one large group of people for the "passengers" would get very old, very quick. This isn't the case with baggage loaders, because in real life, they really do do the same thing over and over again. But the same movements over and over isn't really a "good" representation. Unless FSDT made multiple animations for every single virtual "passenger".

But who knows, FSDT is very talented at their work, we will have to see what they bring.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: ericlanegen on January 05, 2014, 07:32:54 am

I am not an animator but i would say you make 10-20 different movement animations with some being more rare than others for about 3-5 different body sizes/types. GSX could read the aircraft code from the config file and compare it to see how many passenegers from a chart it downloads and saves or one that GSX provides. It then Or if it connected to fspasseneger it could just load the number selected there.

ui_type

This value identifies the type sub-category used to group aircraft in the Select Aircraft dialog in ESP.

Airbus A321( ui_type="A321" ) Aircreation582SL( ui_type= "582 SL Trike" ) Boeing 737-800( ui_type="737-800" ) Boeing 747-400( ui_type="747-400" )

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: Eisbahn on January 05, 2014, 10:26:50 am

Quote from: ericlanegen on January 05, 2014, 06:29:25 am

I guess you are right about some of my request but what about the linkage with fspasseneger to help smoothen out the flow. What about adding passenegers boarding the aircraft or including the aircraft driving around the airport.

This is not feasible as FSPassengers does not work with Prepar3D.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: ericlanegen on January 05, 2014, 06:40:03 pm

Well in that case just let the user select the number of passengers.

My mom use to work at UPS and she said they had to pack igloos to go on the plane but the cargo in the top looks nothing like igloos.I think that igloos should be added to the uld choices for the taller loaders when they are automatically selected.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: socili on January 07, 2014, 01:13:31 pm

two ideas:
split prepare for push back and the push itself int to two seperate commands.
1. select prepare for push
2. wait until the tell you "we are ready for push"
3. request PB clearance from ATC
4. execute the Push with a selection of the direction (left, straight, right). When pushing sraight, with a cancel command.

Towing.
situation 1: you Stand freely, engines are out(engine fire and on the runway, on the maintanance area, ...) and want to get towed to a stand or gate.
situation 2: you stand on the Gate A42 in LSZH.
you request pushback to the left (nose to the right) so you end up faceing to the airs side center.
Push is finished and the ground crew ask to set the parking break and you want to extend your push until F.

On both caces: an option will be selectable to further Tow, so you can push or tow your self.

controlling meybe via joystik (rudder for turning and pitch for direction/speed)?
benefit: you don't have to programm special pushbach scripts for such uneasy parking position as in Zürich (LSZH A44/42 and B35/31).

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: ericlanegen on January 07, 2014, 02:05:55 pm

Quote from: socili on January 07, 2014, 01:13:31 pm

Towing.
situation 1: you Stand freely, engines are out(engine fire and on the runway, on the maintanance area, ...) and want to get towed to a stand or gate.
situation 2: you stand on the Gate A42 in LSZH.
you request pushback to the left (nose to the right) so you end up faceing to the airs side center.
Push is finished and the ground crew ask to set the parking break and you want to extend your push until F.

On both caces: an option will be selectable to further Tow, so you can push or tow your self.

controlling meybe via joystik (rudder for turning and pitch for direction/speed)?
benefit: you don't have to programm special pushbach scripts for such uneasy parking position as in Zürich (LSZH A44/42 and B35/31).

I think that you can use that idea if and only if it uses the pushback vehicle attachement and movement in combination with the follow me truck directions. It is not going to be easy if possible for the user to switch to tug from the aircraft and back. The Tug can attach to your air plane and the tug would get its taxing commands the same way the follow me car does. Also, runways and runway hold short lines should be added as taxi options so you can get follow me to those areas.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: socili on January 07, 2014, 03:23:36 pm

the big tow truck would be better siuted as the small truck with the tow bar  ::)

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: ericlanegen on January 07, 2014, 04:35:23 pm

Like the one that comes with traffic X/360?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHvJXJQnAYsqpKdmkKQf-SkMOZXGxiFPKiwmEPGox6Pic7ceEK)
Big planes can use tow bars also.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9mtFV3NOKaQ-MmWmA0Fk346OvkSvDYkqcwZKu0Dfws4mc9SACMQ)

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: socili on January 07, 2014, 04:57:48 pm

nice pics :-)

a truck with a tow bar would be sure harder to programm than a lifting one. maybe they have good solution :-)

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: mroschk on January 10, 2014, 12:33:23 pm

The Wheel Chocks can be done the same ways as all the other vehicles like the Stairs.
Just in the 3D Editor.

The GPU/ASU was requested very often by me but...read the Posts.

Matthias

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: ericlanegen on January 19, 2014, 06:39:52 am

After reviewing my list and thinking over it, I figured that the following are the only things that have reason to be added and are all with in GSX capability.

1. Towing to and between gates and parking spaces
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/5-heavy-towing-jobs-1.jpg)
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/5-heavy-towing-jobs-2.jpg)

2. "igloos" for large cargo freighters
(http://www.ups.com/aircargo/images/a_1n.jpg)
(http://www.ups.com/aircargo/images/a_2n.jpg)
(http://www.ups.com/aircargo/images/a_2np.jpg)
(http://www.ups.com/aircargo/images/l_9n.jpg)
(http://www.ups.com/aircargo/images/m_1n.jpg)
(http://www.ups.com/aircargo/images/m_1np.jpg)
(http://www.ups.com/aircargo/images/l_11.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6Osc4Vg_d8s/TxZh00Gqv1I/AAAAAAAAAic/LUGiSHc-9H4/s1600/Picture%2B128.png)

3. Toilet drainage crew.(who wants to fly around with over flowing toilets.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLFyR8r_SmZZUJOB5AC-lhnLh0z2JWDe7Fz4TPJFUc69KhwhYj)

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: socili on January 21, 2014, 07:52:12 am

nice :-)

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: bilookhan on February 02, 2014, 10:32:17 pm

Hi Virtuali,

Thank you for your product GSX, I am really enjoying it.
I have a couple of requests which I would wish to see added as future updates at a future time if possible. It would be great to have:

1) Third baggage loader for bulk cargo.
2) A380 Capable Catering Truck similar to AES for upper floor door on the A380.
3) Cleaning vehicle similar to AES which also takes care of toilet waste disposal.
4) A feature where we can edit length of time for each operation of ground handling such as catering length, passenger and baggage loading/unloading, etc.

This would add value to our experience on ground handling and turnarounds.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: mroschk on February 25, 2014, 01:28:16 am

What about the Wheel Chocks now?

MR

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: socili on June 03, 2014, 09:59:41 am

I made a request to steer the pushback on your own.
And this could be the solution:

All we need would be a backword, stop and forward geer and steer with the nose wheel.

benefit would be you can make difficult pushbacks on your own without programming every single one of them.
like LSZH (http://www.vacc.ch/file/286), If you stand on A44 between the docks, you usually push a bit back and tow the plane the whole way to F to not block the N Taxyways for arrival traffic.

THX for listening :-)

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: virtuali on June 03, 2014, 10:49:06 am

Noted. Pushback will be an area of great improvement in the future.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: socili on June 03, 2014, 10:56:16 am

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D if i woudn't be maried i would  :-* you *lol*

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: socili on June 05, 2014, 03:06:05 pm

could be usefull for big planes

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: streichholz on June 29, 2014, 12:12:01 pm

It's just "what can be added".

A cleaning car / truck would be nice. :)

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: mroschk on June 29, 2014, 03:10:54 pm

did i miss the deicers?

MR

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: streichholz on July 01, 2014, 04:09:16 pm

Deicers will come. When is the question :D... I hope a new vehicleupdate will come soon.

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: mroschk on July 01, 2014, 06:44:00 pm

Even i remember a discussion or something about
People walking from the Bus to the Airplane.

But this all is a very Long time ago and all i see are small updates and
error corrections or other very little changes.

So i must ask me if the Project Overall lost his Status or his Team or what happens.

MR

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: virtuali on July 02, 2014, 11:49:58 am

Quote from: mroschk on July 01, 2014, 06:44:00 pm

But this all is a very Long time ago and all i see are small updates and error corrections or other very little changes.

So i must ask me if the Project Overall lost his Status or his Team or what happens.

Already discussed and answered here:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,10405.msg80974.html#msg80974

Title: Re: What should be added to GSX and how it can be done.
Post by: Speedbird ATC on August 31, 2015, 06:52:43 pm

Seriously sorry for resurrecting this topic, but I just noticed I put something like this in the GSX support forum. I would suggest allowing baggage to come in waves, like it does in real life (i.e more then 2 baggage trains visit planes irl) and diversifying the equipment. ULD size cargo for passenger flights would be nice too...