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Products Support => Vancouver CYVR support FSX/P3D => Topic started by: aceridgey on October 02, 2013, 04:20:23 pm
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Hi there guys,
I am still testing to see where my performance drop is regarding the scenery. I have everything set to 1096 and lowest install settings.
If I go on the fly and look at the control tower and terminal area the fps suffer very very badly. As soon as I look away from it, the frame rates increase dramatically.
Alex
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Seriously? Haven't you learned from this topic? http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=7901.0
Check for AFCAD duplicates using the tool here: http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13263
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Yes, I even participated in it.. What do you think I have missed from it?
I have tested every direction.
Alex
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I don't know if you're out just to troll me man,
The direction thing is I have made sure that around the control tower, I am not looking at all the surrounding scenery, etc. etc.
You yourself put a topic up about this.
Alex
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Aceridgey,
It's very annoying when you continue to complain and bash CYVR continuously on AVSIM, when clearly NOBODY responds to your complaints because we all know you had a topic almost EXACTLY like this one a few months ago?
Wondering why Umberto isn't responding? Because it's quite obvious what is going on, and your situation has no similarity to anyone else's on AVSIM because I think they even know how realize when it's a duplicate AFCAD!
So please, stop complaining about your low performance with CYVR, because nobody else has low performance, and it's nothing wrong with the scenery in the first place.
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Aceridgey,
It's very annoying when you continue to complain and bash CYVR continuously on AVSIM, when clearly NOBODY responds to your complaints because we all know you had a topic almost EXACTLY like this one a few months ago?
Wondering why Umberto isn't responding? Because it's quite obvious what is going on, and your situation has no similarity to anyone else's on AVSIM because I think they even know how realize when it's a duplicate AFCAD!
So please, stop complaining about your low performance with CYVR, because nobody else has low performance, and it's nothing wrong with the scenery in the first place.
Hmm,
So what would you say to me if I haven't got a duplicate afcad ?
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So what would you say to me if I haven't got a duplicate afcad ?
Is difficult to understand what you *really* have, considering you were always denying having duplicate AFCADs in that thread, even if the screenshots you posted back then had duplicate objects.
Maybe you don't have a duplicate AFCAD now, but that doesn't mean CYVR has problems because, of course, nobody reported such drop of fps only when looking in the direction of the tower. Another scenery, even far away, in the same direction could be causing this.
And, you are forcing me to REPEAT the same old things that were explained in that thread:
- You are keep using the internal FSX frame limiter. This is WRONG, the frame limiter set at 30 won't do ANY good if your fps is already lower than that. As explained, many times already, you should use an EXTERNAL fps limiter, which will work much better. Since recent drivers have an fps limiter INCLUDED in the driver, there's no need to use separate utilities and there's no excuse for not using it.
Turn that dreadful fps limiter in FSX OFF, and use the external limiter provided by the video card control panel.
- You are using fraps to show your fps, which of course doesn't make any sense, because you are not getting any better information than the frame rate counter in FSX (in fact, the FSX counter is more precise, because it's showing floating point values, while the Fraps one is rounded off) but other than that, you are not taking into account that Fraps ITSELF has an impact on performances too.
Don't use Fraps just to measure fps.
The attached screenshot shows my fps at CYVR in a position similar to the one you posted on Avsim. I don't see any significant drop, of course it's faster when looking at the sea (obviously) but is still good towards the control tower.
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Is difficult to understand what you *really* have, considering you were always denying having duplicate AFCADs in that thread, even if the screenshots you posted back then had duplicate objects.
Maybe you don't have a duplicate AFCAD now, but that doesn't mean CYVR has problems because, of course, nobody reported such drop of fps only when looking in the direction of the tower. Another scenery, even far away, in the same direction could be causing this.
Are you sure? I can gather some examples from many people suggesting otherwise.
You are keep using the internal FSX frame limiter. This is WRONG
This is what is suggested by many people to acheive optimum smoothness and stutter free simulator. (Check the FSX guide on Avsim or Kosta's fsx guide)
You are using fraps to show your fps, which of course doesn't make any sense, because you are not getting any better information than the frame rate counter in FSX (in fact, the FSX counter is more precise, because it's showing floating point values, while the Fraps one is rounded off) but other than that, you are not taking into account that Fraps ITSELF has an impact on performances too.
Fraps causes pretty much 0% performance drop, it is not going to effect the sim, and as you know the fps within fsx fluctuates a lot and getting a round number is preferred.
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This is what is suggested by many people to acheive optimum smoothness and stutter free simulator. (Check the FSX guide on Avsim or Kosta's fsx guide)
Don't you think that maybe you should listen to what he is telling you, considering his computer experience? There are a ton of sources on the Internet that say the internal limiter in FSX will give worse fps.
If you are unwilling to troubleshoot and take advice from the developer!? ??? Than stop complaining about it in the first place.
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This is what is suggested by many people to acheive optimum smoothness and stutter free simulator. (Check the FSX guide on Avsim or Kosta's fsx guide)
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If you are unwilling to troubleshoot and take advice from the developer!? ??? Than stop complaining about it in the first place.
I am unsure why you are getting involved as all you have done is respond negatively and not given any advice.
I have been given little advice when with all due respect the developer cannot see issues with his own scenery, therefore quick to blame other people and not himself.
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I am unsure why you are getting involved as all you have done is respond negatively and not given any advice.
I have been given little advice when with all due respect the developer cannot see issues with his own scenery, therefore quick to blame other people and not himself.
I gave you plenty of advice, I gave you advice to LISTEN to what he is telling you..
Even though everyone is clearly laughing at your ridiculousness here, the conversation could end with a simple statement: All of FSDT's products come with a trial version of the scenery, that runs for 5 minutes at a time, so the user can test how it performs on his/her system. If you don't find the trial satisfactory, that you shouldn't of bought it.
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Are you sure? I can gather some examples from many people suggesting otherwise.
Nobody reported THIS problem with CYVR, and "many people" tell you exactly otherwise. You are the one and only one reporting such drop in fps.
Are you trying to confuse the ENTIRELY different problem of "many users" using other memory hungry add-ons at CYVR, and getting OOM crash ? Not a CYVR problem too, and not obviously related to your issue which, again, has been reported by you and nobody else.
This is what is suggested by many people to acheive optimum smoothness and stutter free simulator. (Check the FSX guide on Avsim or Kosta's fsx guide)
No, the "optimum smoothness and stutter free simulator" is exactly as I've said: keep the internal fps llimiter disabled, and using an external limiter. Before the video drivers had their own limiter, it was common knowledge to use a separate utility, but now there's no need for it anymore.
Fraps causes pretty much 0% performance drop, it is not going to effect the sim,.
Believing that something has "0% performance drop" is too optimistic. ANYTHING that runs in the background will affect performances, and of course more so something that even overlays something on the FSX screen, because it has to intercept EVERY call made to Directx in order to display is overlap.
and as you know the fps within fsx fluctuates a lot and getting a round number is preferred
No, it's not. If you want to get rid of fps fluctuation, throwing away precision is NOT the solution, what you want would be reading the AVERAGE fps and of course, the FSX fps counter CAN be configured to display fps averages too, put this into FSX.CFG
[TextInfo.X] <<<-----whichever window you want to put it in
FrameRate=1,1
AverageFrameRate=1,2
LockedFrameRate=1,3
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We're going round in circles here. *white flag*
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I have been given little advice when with all due respect the developer cannot see issues with his own scenery, therefore quick to blame other people and not himself.
Explain MY fps. Which of course can be confirmed by anybody else that has seen the scenery.
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I have been given little advice when with all due respect the developer cannot see issues with his own scenery, therefore quick to blame other people and not himself.
Explain MY fps. Which of course can be confirmed by anybody else that has seen the scenery.
I don't get any issues with your LAX scenery, I have 26-30fps in the VC there.
I have no issues with the default CYVR at all.
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I don't get any issues with your LAX scenery, I have 26-30fps in the VC there.
You have avoided my question:
Explain MY fps AT CYVR
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You're in a default aircraft with unlimited fps so they could have jumped to anything in that picture.
32 fps from there, isn't exactly a good number either.
Now mine?
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32 fps from there, isn't exactly a good number either.
First, it's NOT 32 (read better), but it's 36.9.
You're in a default aircraft with unlimited fps so they could have jumped to anything in that picture.
Entirely not relevant: you are reporting a LARGE DROP in fps when looking at that side. I have about 38-40 fps on average so, 37 fps on the side shows there's no significant drop.
And my system is not really the best one for FSX, it's a 4 years old MacPro with Xeon processor at 2.66 Ghz, not really the best solution to get high fps from FSX, it's a system that is optimized to run many programs at the same time, not a single program as fast as possible.
What's your fps when NOT looking at the Tower ? You mentioned a "drop", how big is ?
What's your fps with a default airplane ? Just so we'll know if you are measuring the fps of your airplane or the fps of the scenery...
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32 fps from there, isn't exactly a good number either.
First, it's NOT 32 (read better), but it's 36.9.
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What's your fps when NOT looking at the Tower ? You mentioned a "drop", how big is ?
What's your fps with a default airplane ? Just so we'll know if you are measuring the fps of your airplane or the fps of the scenery...
FPS not looking at the tower is 30 with no change.
Standby for default plane I'll get that to you [although I am sure it will be similar to the payware]
Alex
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32 fps from there, isn't exactly a good number either.
32 fps looking at the entire airport isn't a good number? Wow, last time I checked 32 fps was pretty smooth, must be something wrong with your perception of smoothness.
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32 fps looking at the entire airport isn't a good number? Wow, last time I checked 32 fps was pretty smooth, must be something wrong with your perception of smoothness.
He commented on my screenshot, saying that 32 fps is not much for a default airplane, however my screenshot displays 36.9 fps, not 32...
And, in any case, he said "I don't get any issues with your LAX scenery, I have 26-30fps in the VC there" so, he surely must know that 26-30 fps is very good on a large airport.
But the issue discussed here is the reported large fps drop when looking at the control tower. My screenshot simply proved there's no such drop. Yes, of course, I have more than 45-50 when looking at the sea, but that should be quite obvious. What counts is that it remains very good ( 37 fps on my system is VERY good) even in the worse case scenario.
Of course, if he gets 30 fps too with a default airplane, and 15 with a too memory hungry airplane, we are not discussing scenery performance anymore here, but airplane performances.
A possible cause might be: that airplane is taking a lot of VRAM so, in combination with the scenery, the amount of VRAM used is too much and the card is start to swap memory between main RAM, and that will have a large impact on fps. Obviously not a problem of the scenery, it's exactly the same issue of OOMs: using many things in combination, it's not anybody's "fault" if there are problems, and it will be necessary to start lower settings, not use HD textures, use less stuff together, use DX10, etc.
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Hi there guys,
I am still testing to see where my performance drop is regarding the scenery. I have everything set to 1096 and lowest install settings.
If I go on the fly and look at the control tower and terminal area the fps suffer very very badly. As soon as I look away from it, the frame rates increase dramatically.
Alex
If we talk about performance, more information is needed.
your system (cpu + clockspeed; which gpu?)
attach your complete fsx.cfg
attach screenshot of Nvida inspector
which aircraft, traffic
there are some setup parameters which can result in unwanted performance hit. Let's find them.
Btw. the standard fps indication is useless, you better start using the advanced fps indication. Its easy to unlock
with the tool flusifix. It will show min fps, average fps, max. fps and variances. Very necessary for smooth appearance.
you can also manually put this into fsx.cfg:
[TextInfo.2]
AverageFrameRate=1,2
FrameRate=1,1
FuelPercentage=1,4
GForce=1,3
LockedFrameRate=
You will see the advanced fps info after pushing shift+Z 2 times.
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After seeing this thread I was tempted to go get this scenery just to see how it performs for myself, as I can't believe it could be that hard on FPS as some were mentioning or that there was something wrong with the scenery.
As expected, this is actually the best performing scenery by FSDT that I have gotten yet and I own all of them except for the Hawaiian airports or packages.
The system used in these screen is a 2700K (not overclocked yet), 8GB 2133ghz RAM, GTX 670 FTW 2GB, Win7 XP.
Tested with UT2 traffic at 70% and WOAI cargo packages at 100% and the PMDG 777. I am getting 50 to 60 FPS in the exterior view and 40 to 50 FPS in the T7 VC.
Below are screen shots showcasing the brilliant looks and performance of this airport.
Also of note, I am not running any extra AFCAD files in the area and I have no duplicate AFCAD's in conflict with the airport and the system is properly tuned and tweaked from the OS to FSX itself.
As usual with FSDT airports, this one is a winner and the best performer yet.
As to Alex and Rockliffe, the only thing I can think would cause the problems with this scenery is a bad tweak, some hidden AFCAD that is messing with the scenery, video driver problems, or some combination of any of these. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the scenery though on my rig, no flickers, flashes, or bad FPS. Hope you guys get it figured out.