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Products Support => GSX Support FSX/P3D => Topic started by: 3-2-1-Now on July 10, 2013, 08:14:58 pm
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Hi,
I can call for catering, and they arrive at the aircraft OK, but when they leave, GSX still thinks they have yet to arrive, and the rest of the boarding/loading process gets stuck.
Tested at KORD gate B 19 (stock scenery). I'll try at another airport.
Best regards,
Robin.
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I tested at the same gate with the PMDG 737 and it seemed OK, but with the MJC Dash 8, it gets stuck.
Best regards,
Robin.
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Hi,
I am experience exactly the same problem.
After the catering vehicles leave their positions away from airplane (MJCQ400), after closing the related doors (shift+E+4) per GSX request, the GSX stucks giving the state "catering vehicles are their way. The only way ahead is resetting position.
The sequence I use is:
1 - request fuel
2 - request catering
2a - resetting position, as explained before
3 - request boarding
4 - prepare for departure and pushback
I am using the latest version of GSX, uninstalled and re-installed several times (Full installation). running FSX and the MJCQ400.
This issue was not present in previous versions.
Many thanks in advance for your support.
Takatanaka
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Hi,
Just an update about this problem.
It doesn't happen in all airports, it is working fine at LPPS (gate A07) but , the issue is present at LPPT (gate 701), I will do more testing at different gates.
After the catering vehicles leave the airplane, they keep moving until the infinite. This is the reason why the message "catering vehicles are on their way".
I would appreciate that this issue would be fixed as soon as possible, I really enjoy this add-on (I paid for a software product that is not function as it should).
Please let me know if there is something that I can do on my side to have it fixed, for example, uninstall and perform some "manual action" before the re-installation.
Thx,
Taka
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Will check this. When you said it doesn't work at LPPT Gate 701, do you use a 3rd party scenery add-on, or it's the default scenery ? If it's not default, please indicate which scenery you use and, possibly, indicate a case on a default airport.
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Thanks for your reply.
The problem is also present at LPPR (from TropicalSim), no matter at which gate.
The LPPT scenario is from Aerosoft, I tested the catering at several different gates and it gets stuck all the times.
the LPPS scenario is also from Aerosoft.
It is really annoying to have to reset position after the catering in order to proceed with the boarding. >:(
Thanks a lot for your support.
Taka
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As I've said:
possibly, indicate a case on a default airport.
If you can provide a case with a default airport, then it might be a GSX problem we need to fix. But if it's happening only at those 3rd party airports, the most likely issue is an error in their AFCADs, like unconnected parkings, orphaned links, overlapping nodes, etc.
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Hi,
Ok, I will test it in a default scenario.
However, previous versions of GSX worked fine in these airports, meanwhile, they were neither re-installed nor updated. I believe that (but not sure) the catering vehicles issue started after GSX version 1.8.
Takatanaka
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Hi,
I tested the situation at LFBD, gate A7 (FSX default scenario). The problem is also present, GSX gets stuck after the catering, as I described before.
The catering vehicles go away from the airplane to a spot in the airport and then they disappear. However, GSX keeps showing "Catering vehicles are on their way", meanwhile I request boarding and it shows "Boarding requested, wait for other services to be completed".
Just let me know if you need more details to help you to fix the issue.
As mentioned before, it is really annoying to have to reset position after the catering service or as an alternative request all the ground services except the catering.
A solution for this issue would be highly appreciated.
Taka
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Unfortunately each time FSDreamTeam releases a GSX update, I delete the previous version installer from my PC.
Would it be possible to make available a link from which I could download an older GSX version than 1.8?
This way, I could use GSX without the catering problem while it is being investigated and eventually fixed and double check if the problem didn't exist in the previous GSX versions.
Thank you very much in advance.
Takatanaka
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Hi,
No news about this subject?
Neither a small word nor a link to an older GSX version?
I am forced to conclude that costumer care is nit a priority to FSDT.... :(
Taka
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No news about this subject?
There obviously are, after we get enough time to check it, which happened just now so, please, be patient.
Neither a small word nor a link to an older GSX version?
An older version won't change anything, this problem was there since the first GSX release, and if affects ONLY a very specific case: an airplane that has doors configured in a way that the rear one will call a full catering vehicle with animations, and the front one calls the simple van. ONLY in this case, the catering service gets stuck, you only noticed it now because an airplane that fits this description is the Q400
I am forced to conclude that costumer care is nit a priority to FSDT.... :(
That you are wrong, can be easily proven by my POST COUNT, each of them was a reply to a customer. Is very annoying hearing such comments, after having helped customers 15000 times here.
The problem HAS been identified, and it will surely be fixed in the next update.
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Hi,
Thank you very much for your prompt reply to my last post.
Despite the fact that I have no obligation to justify my comments to a product vendor, I posted such unpleasant comment because I didn't get any feed back since 7 January.
If Virtuali/FSDT would have provide such a reply as you did a couple of minutes ago, I certainly wouldn't write that comment about FSDT costumer care as I did. This was easily avoidable, but somehow it worked and myself as a costumer, got some feedback from the Vendor.
I certainly am patient enough to wait for a solution, provided that I receive some feedback at a reasonable time interval, to prevent the costumer feeling that nothing is being done.
Lets keep ourselves focused on the main subject:
An older version won't change anything, this problem was there since the first GSX release, and if affects ONLY a very specific case: an airplane that has doors configured in a way that the rear one will call a full catering vehicle with animations, and the front one calls the simple van. ONLY in this case, the catering service gets stuck, you only noticed it now because an airplane that fits this description is the Q400
Here I cannot agree with you. I purchased the MJCQ400 on the 7th of June 2013 and it is the only airplane I have been flying with since then. I purchased GSX on the 20th of September 2013 and it worked fine. As you can see there is no chance that I didn't notice the catering vehicles issue before (with older GSX versions).
I asked for an older GSX version for two reasons, to fully profit from the good software product I purchased and somehow to help FSDT to troubleshoot the catering vehicles bug.
If the issue is known by FSDT and you are working on solution for that, why didn't you mention it since my very first post???
Thx for your support.
Taka
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I certainly am patient enough to wait for a solution, provided that I receive some feedback at a reasonable time interval, to prevent the costumer feeling that nothing is being done.
I already replied to you in this thread with a "we'll check this". And no, I don't find "unreasonable" taking 3 days to check a bug, because (as you can clearly see), there are OTHER bugs and other customers that are being followed constantly. Again, just check my forum post count, it speaks for itself.
Here I cannot agree with you. I purchased the MJCQ400 on the 7th of June 2013 and it is the only airplane I have been flying with since then. I purchased GSX on the 20th of September 2013 and it worked fine. As you can see there is no chance that I didn't notice the catering vehicles issue before (with older GSX versions).
You haven't noticed it because, most likely, the configuration for the Q400 that comes with GSX has changed between releases, either because there was no catering service on the front door, or because the door's height was moved just a little bit that made a different catering to appear. If there's just one catering, or if there are two vehicles with full animations (with the service crew and the platform), the problem doesn't appear. It ONLY appears when one of the vehicles has a crew and the other doesn't, and this depends how the front door is configured, but nothing in the GSX catering code has ever changed, not from many months, and surely well before you purchased it.
You can get an easy proof of this quite easily: just change the Q400 config with the GSX airplane configuration editor and remove the front catering door, the bug will disappear ( select "restart Couatl" before trying the new config )
I asked for an older GSX version for two reasons, to fully profit from the good software product I purchased and somehow to help FSDT to troubleshoot the catering vehicles bug.
An older version won't change anything in this regard,
If the issue is known by FSDT and you are working on solution for that, why didn't you mention it since my very first post???
This issue has been found only AFTER your report. When I've said "we'll check it", I MEAN IT. To be precise, I've confirmed the bug yesterday very late in the night, and since today I was out of office the whole day, I couldn't get a chance to reply it before you posted your complaint about the supposed lack of a reply.
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Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
I already replied to you in this thread with a "we'll check this". And no, I don't find "unreasonable" taking 3 days to check a bug, because (as you can clearly see), there are OTHER bugs and other customers that are being followed constantly. Again, just check my forum post count, it speaks for itself.
This discussion will drive us no where, it will be a waste of time and effort for both of us. I am stopping here this discussion but, it doesn't mean that I fully accept your arguments. I am sorry but, I never mix a state of heart with business.
You haven't noticed it because, most likely, the configuration for the Q400 that comes with GSX has changed between releases, either because there was no catering service on the front door, or because the door's height was moved just a little bit that made a different catering to appear. If there's just one catering, or if there are two vehicles with full animations (with the service crew and the platform), the problem doesn't appear. It ONLY appears when one of the vehicles has a crew and the other doesn't, and this depends how the front door is configured, but nothing in the GSX catering code has ever changed, not from many months, and surely well before you purchased it.
I fully accept/agree with your statement. As you probably know (I forgot to mention it before), Majestic Software came up with an update for the Q400 on 12 of September and an hotfix on 27 of December (current MJCQ400 version is 1.00801).
You can get an easy proof of this quite easily: just change the Q400 config with the GSX airplane configuration editor and remove the front catering door, the bug will disappear ( select "restart Couatl" before trying the new config ).
That's a good point. I will try it.
This issue has been found only AFTER your report.
Maybe it was a misunderstanding from my side. My apologies for that.
When I've said "we'll check it", I MEAN IT. To be precise, I've confirmed the bug yesterday very late in the night, and since today I was out of office the whole day, I couldn't get a chance to reply it before you posted your complaint about the supposed lack of a reply.
Noted.
Regards,
Takatanaka
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I fully accept/agree with your statement. As you probably know (I forgot to mention it before), Majestic Software came up with an update for the Q400 on 12 of September and an hotfix on 27 of December (current MJCQ400 version is 1.00801).
Just a correction: Majestic Software came up with an update for the Q400 on 9 of December and an hotfix on 27 of December (current MJCQ400 version is 1.00801).
Regards,
Takatanaka
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Hello again,
You can get an easy proof of this quite easily: just change the Q400 config with the GSX airplane configuration editor and remove the front catering door, the bug will disappear ( select "restart Couatl" before trying the new config )
I tried it at LPPT, gate 701/D01 (3th party scenario) and at LPBD, gate A7 (default scenario) but it didn't work. It has the same behavior I mentioned in my first post.
Taka
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I tried it at LPPT, gate 701/D01 (3th party scenario) and at LPBD, gate A7 (default scenario) but it didn't work. It has the same behavior I mentioned in my first post.
I'm sorry, but I can only confirm the problem doesn't happen if you have only one catering vehicle. But that's not really the point, it will be fixed anyway, since they are *supposed* to work together, even if they are different models which, as I've said, is the only case where the problem is confirmed to be happening.
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ok. I will be waiting for the solution.
Thx
Taka
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Umberto,
Love your program.
I also have the Q400 by Majestic and found your post here about taking out the front catering door. I changed the Q400 config with the GSX airplane configuration editor and removed the front catering door. Then I restarted Couatl and then ran the catering function again. I got the same stuck catering result. I went back into the config editor to make sure removing the door had stayed and it was still set to "No door at the position". I assume I did something wrong but right now the only way I can get through the full loading and pushback process with the Q400 is to skip the catering. I have the most recent download on your website from yesterday.
I also restarted FSX just to check and it was still the same.
Any advice?
Thanks
Jerry
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I'm sorry, but I can only confirm the problem doesn't happen if you have only one catering vehicle, which is what you will have, if you remove a service door. Just be sure you removed the right door, and always "Restart Couatl" after a change. No need to restart FSX whatsoever.
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Umberto,
The problem was all mine. When I read your instructions to change the editor for front Catering door I changed it to "No door at the position". Today I noticed in your original post to this issue that I should have made it "Door without open/close checks". Once I did that it solved my problem with Catering not completing.
My bad,
Jerry
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You say to remove the front service door. Could you please give me some guidance on how to remove the front service door ???
I know you have to go into customize aircraft but could you please explain ???
Thanks :)
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You say to remove the front service door. Could you please give me some guidance on how to remove the front service door ???
Everything is of course explained in the GSX manual, in this case, at Page 27, the last sentence on the page starts with "To remove a door entirely"...
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I have removed service door 1 door but the mini van still shows up and it still says "catering vehicles are on their way" when they have finished ??? and I have tried selecting "door with open and close checks" and that doesn't work either so im puzzled on why the mini van will not just go away and catering can become complete >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
This is starting to really annoy me now ???. :o :o :o
Someone help :(
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I have removed service door 1 door but the mini van still shows up and it still says "catering vehicles are on their way" when they have finished ???
Then you haven't removed the door.
and I have tried selecting "door with open and close checks" and that doesn't work
As I've already replied to Hondajet a couple of messages before, but I can only confirm the problem doesn't happen. Just be sure you removed the right door, and always "Restart Couatl" after a change.
The difference between selecting "No door at the position" and "Door without open/close checks" is that in one case the mini van will be far from the airplane, and in the other case, the mini van will be closer, but I've just tried it, and in BOTH cases, the catering service WILL complete.
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I finally Fixed It. :). Just basically take the information from the nearest catering door to the tail and input that information into the service door nearest to the nose and put "no door at this position" at the rear. I got it the wrong way around. Glad that mess is over
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Hi,
Despite the fact that I have been patient since the last post from feather0148 on the 20th of July 2014, the catering vehicles issue with the MJCQ400 is not yet fixed.
It would be great to get it fixed once for all, since it persists for a long time already.
Thanks and wish you all a happy 2015.
Takatanaka
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Despite the fact that I have been patient since the last post from feather0148 on the 20th of July 2014, the catering vehicles issue with the MJCQ400 is not yet fixed.
Which proposed a solution. Why you "waited", instead of trying the solution he posted ?
I've said already in the thread here, I can't reproduce this problem anymore with the current version of the program:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,11332.msg87300.html#msg87300
No idea why it's not fixed on your system and no idea why I cannot reproduce it and the user in the thread could. And please, don't post here, post in that thread only, because it doesn't make any sense to have two identical threads going on a the same time.
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Hi Umberto,
I'm sorry for replying in a thread inactive for more than a year, but I thought it would be simpler this way.
I bought GSX on February 4 and I'd like to inform that I am having the "catering vehicles are on their way" stuck message issue with the latest Aerosoft Airbus (tested with A319 and A320) on default and 3rd party airports. It does NOT happen when all service doors are active, in which case both trucks appear, do their job and the service completes. But I chose to remove the front service door, for I believe that would be more realistic for the type of operations I usually simulate. That's when the mini van appears and the issue occurs.
The workaround solution of setting the height of the door to 10m worked for me, but I thought it could be helpful to inform that apparently this is not an exclusive Dash 8 issue.
Congratulations on a great product!
Regards,
Bruno.
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I bought GSX in late September.
The "Catering vehicles are on their way" bug still does exist when using the Majestic Q400.
The scenario is this:
After requesting catering, the vehicles show up, demand the R4 door to be opened. Then they do their thing and then once catering is loaded, the system sends a message to close the R4 door. With the door closed, they drive away.
However, the system won't start boarding upon request, but informs that boarding will commence once other services finish...
It was said in 2014 that a solution (not a fix, a final solution) is on the way. Yet it is clearly unsolved as of yet.
Best regards,
Zsolt
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It was said in 2014 that a solution (not a fix, a final solution) is on the way. Yet it is clearly unsolved as of yet.
You mean even applying the solution proposed in this thread, which was to set the door to 10 m, so the minivan won't appear, doesn't work for you ?
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GSX works great with all my planes except one:
MAJESTIC DASH8 Q400 PROFESSIONAL EDITION (NOT PILOT EDITION)
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Regarding the above plane only, I have read "all" of your fixes and suggestions and I have tried "them all." None of them change anything. I still get stuck with that "catering services are on the way" thingy in the menu that blocks other services queued.
Now, once in a blue moon it will work properly just once and then its back to the crap. I try to repeat what did work and it won't repeat. I've been fooling around with this thing all day and got it to run correctly just twice out of some 30 or so tries. The airport doesn't seem to matter. However, I mostly fly out of: KPIT & KPHL. Because I fly the Q400 Pro almost exclusively, this is a major hit to my emersion.
Just today, I uninstalled the program and then went to the homepage and downloaded the latest version. Absolutely no change.
I tried you 10m - no change. I increased it to 20m - still no change. It doesn't matter where that mini-van is. It just doesn't work.
Unless the pilot is an idiot, it's impossible to remove the wrong door because you've provided a diagram and the 3D feature.
This issue for the Majestic Dash8 has been kicking around for years with no solution. Very disappointing.
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****UPDATE****
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****UPDATE****
Still working on this with good success!!!
Catering does work at certain airports (such as: (KSHV, KCOS, KORD, KLGA, KJFK, KSEA) but not others (incl KPIT, KPHL, KLAX). In all cases where catering gets stuck, its at default airports on my fresh install of GSX yesterday. II would appreciate it if you would try these airports to corroborate my findings. Thanks.
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Please indicate the exact gate on a default airport you tried.
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***UPDATE #2 ****
Still plugging away at this .
Now that I had success at other airports, I went back to KPHL & KPIT to apply my learning's.
Results:
KPHL Gate A11: which is the one I used almost exclusively, catering gets stuck.
KPHL A few Gates I tried): Catering does not get stuck.
With the above findings, I'm thinking maybe there is file corruption in the default scenery file that includes KPHL. Possible?
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KPHL: Gates- F9, A20, A10: catering does not get stuck (but Gate A11- catering gets stuck)
KPIT: Gates- A3, A11, A25 catering gets stuck.
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Back to KPIT:
Gates by Terminal:
Terminal A: Gate(s) 3, 11, 12, 25 - catering gets stuck
Terminal A: Gate(s) none catering does not get stuck
Terminal B: Gate(s) 45 - catering gets stuck
Terminal B: Gate(s) 26, 29, 34, - catering does not get stuck
Terminal C: Gate(s) C51, C54 - catering gets stuck
Terminal C: Gate(s) none catering does not get stuck
Terminal D: Gate(s) - 83 catering gets stuck
Terminal D: Gate(s) - 78, 86 catering does not get stuck
It' s just random; no discernible pattern.