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Products Support => Geneva FSX/P3D => Topic started by: 738 on January 27, 2012, 05:54:21 pm
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Hi FSDT/all,
I have just purchased LSGG and looks real nice but as the tittle says, when i taxi the plane bounces (NGX), the scenery is 2nd in the scenery library just behind aes....What to do??
Regards
Chris
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Does it happen with a default airplane ?
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I'll go check now....
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Hi
Yes it happens with default a/c too, also just noticed on the runway there looks like duplicate markings on it....dont know if its related?
Chris
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Umberto,
Any idea on how to fix this please?
Chris
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I have the same problem.
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Is this Richard?
Anyway, this is annoying isn't it? I only get this when i taxi and get near the runway and its stops me flying to this otherwise excellent airport.
Obviously it only happens to a few of us, i just wish i could find the problem and sort this.
Chris (christos)
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I can't see any duplicate markings on the runway. There was just a problem with duplicate displaced threshold arrows marking, but it has been fixed in the current version of the scenery AFCAD, which you can get when installing the current Stand-Alone Addon Manager for FSX.
If you are still seeing duplicates runway markings even after updating with current Stand-Alone Addon Manager for FSX, then the problem is surely caused by another scenery in conflict, which probably has a slightly different altitude.
In this case, use the free FSX Airport Scanner to search for AFCAD duplicates.
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Morning Umberto
I used this tool and Geneva wasn't listed when i did the scan it was mainly default airports that came up.
This ones got me baffled.
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But are you seeing duplicate runway markings, even after installing the Stand-Alone Addon Manager ?
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I istalled the latest addon manager and the duplicate markings have gone but the bouncing hasn't.
It happens if when at the begining of rwy 5, when i taxi off the rwy via the first rwy exit and take the first left. When i start to i approach the terminal it stops, the plane acts like it drops off a curb and
the bouncing stops.When watching it from outside view it looks like the wheels look like they are going through a gravel patch or something?!
I just put Geneva back to the top of the library but it still happens.
What could it be conflicting with?
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Could you please provide me with the exact taxiway name ?
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Hello Umberto
Anywhere near the top of rwy 5, taxiway e,f,g,
I appreciate you trying to solve this for me..It seems like im one of the only ones with this problem :(
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Umberto, sorry to did up an older topic but I just used LSGG last night for the first time and my a/c is bobbing up and down as I taxi along the main taxiway that runs along side the main runway. As soon as I get on the runway its smooth but my a/c was going up and down as I was taxiing after pulling off the runway. In all the years I have owned LSGG I dont ever recall this happening, i'm guessing it has to do with the newer ADE that was included with GSX?
Also, since I didn't want to did up the other post below this one on the ATC, last night I lost ATC after contacting ground. They gave me taxi instructions, but when I replied to them nothing happened. Then once I was parked I and tried to contact them for taxi instructions nothing happened.
I only have one active ADE/AFX file for LSGG and have two backup .bak file in the same folder of the older ADE's but they are both renamed to .bak so I dont know if they could cause a problem but I think not.
Aside from that everything else seems to be working fine at the airport, just ATC and bouncing taxiways are a problem.
POST EDIT: Did a scan with the ADE checker and no duplicates were found for LSGG.
POST EDIT #2: I think I may have found the problem. I opened the old ADE file from 2008 and all the taxiway surfaces are listed as Asphalt, then I opened the latest AFX file and a lot of the taxiway surfaces are listed as Macadam. I'm guess that having a taxi surface of macadam rather that asphalt is the reason for the bouncing while taxiing. This being said, can you release another ADF update that changes the taxiway surfaces back to asphalt rather than macadma? I'm going to rename the 2008 ADE file to make it active and rename the new one to .bak and test it out to make sure that fixes it.
Last Edit: Just tried out the old ADE with the asphalt taxiways and the bouncing is gone. The macadam seems to be the issue causing the bouncing.
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Hey Sean!
For a novice like me, can u please explain how you solved this issue...i.e what folder i need to go into and what i need to alter/delete.
Regards
Chris Howard
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Hey Sean!
For a novice like me, can u please explain how you solved this issue...i.e what folder i need to go into and what i need to alter/delete.
Regards
Chris Howard
Hi Chris,
You will need to go into the FSX/FSDreamteam/LSGG/Scenery folder and find the file called AFX_LSGG.BGL and open it using a freeeware tool lke ADEX or any other AFCAD editor. Once you have it open you will notice that a lot if not all the Taxiway Paths are listed as Macadam. You can tell this by hovering the cursor pointer over a taxiway path ad it will tell you the material the path is made from, ie. asphalt, concrete, maadam, grass, etc. Then you would need to edit each taxiway path from macadam to concrete and recompile the ADE file making sure to name it AFX_LSGG.BGL otherwise GSX wont recognize it.
Or, if you have an older LSGG ADE file in the same sceneru folder with a .bak extension you could try using the older AFCAD since it already the taxiways listed as Concrete. It will be rather time consuming to rename all the paths from macadam to concrete just so you know and I haven't even done mine yet.
Hopefully Umberto will pop into this thread and say if he can post an updated ADE file with these fixes since all users will need an AFCAD like this to prevent the bouncing on the taxiways. If he does that then we wont need to spend the time doing it ourselves. Personally, I would like to avoid it since its pretty time consuming to have to change all those.
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Sean,
Thank's for taking the time to explain this to me, it's appreciated.
I thought i was the only one this was happening to, i reformated my PC and everything to get rid of this problem to no avail!
Regards
Chris
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Sean,
Thank's for taking the time to explain this to me, it's appreciated.
I thought i was the only one this was happening to, i reformated my PC and everything to get rid of this problem to no avail!
Regards
Chris
No problem Chris. It's too bad that you reformatted your PC just for this one thing. I've been lucky that my FSX rig is still on its original FSX install from April '08 and I haven't had to reformat or reinstall FSX due to issues.
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Wow! That's good going mate!
I've had 3 P.C'S and reformated this current one 3 time's since!
I noticed in you're sig at Avsim you're PC is set up with FSGS...Maybe i should have done the same.
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Wow! That's good going mate!
I've had 3 P.C'S and reformated this current one 3 time's since!
I noticed in you're sig at Avsim you're PC is set up with FSGS...Maybe i should have done the same.
Yeah the few bucks spent having Michael at FS-GS was REALLY worth saving all the time tweaking and messing around. Beside's he taught me a lot about inner FSX workings and has save me probably hours of work trying to get a solid set up. When I read all the posts on Avsim with people wondering why they have all kinds of problems and then all the advice you see posted can really lead to more problems. The problem with all the "experts" who suggest trying this and that, probably have no clue on what all the various tweaks really do. Then on top of that I read posts from people who have much newer and better rigs than mine and still suffer from low FPS and problems. But you know in the end, some people like to tinker and tweak more than fly and enjoy the sim, plus some people are too proud to seek the help and advice from a person who's job is basically setting up sims like FSX/FS9.
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Chris,
I may have to take back what I said about editing the ADE files.
For some reason some of the taxiway paths that are listed as macadam don't give me the option to change the materials. I was going to fix a few of the taxiways at KFLL that bounce and were listed as macadam but for whatever reason it will let me change some of them but not all of them. There maybe some way to work around this, maybe by saving the whole airport as an xml file, editing the spots, then reloading the xmp file into ADE and recompiling?
One of us may need to ask Umberto if he or his guys can look into this. I know he is busy with GSX right now, so I hate to say anything, but now that we know what the problem is it would be neat if they could redo the LSGG and FSDT ADE file where the taxi paths are macadam and make them concrete.
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Hi!
maybe saving with the "XML-file option" and editing the XML-file?
looks as an option for me - i tried that and now all taxiways are CONCRETE
Happy landings
Juergen
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Hi!
maybe saving with the "XML-file option" and editing the XML-file?
looks as an option for me - i tried that and now all taxiways are CONCRETE
Happy landings
Juergen
Yep, worked for me to. Had a feeling it would have to be done thru the xml, although I have never edited an ADE file in that fashion. Thank god for the replace button or that would have taken a while to cut and paste each entry.
Guess I will work on the KFLL ADE that has some bouncy macadam taxiways and get those fixed once and for all as well.
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having a backup in the pocket I tend to take such risks ;)
...not much you can brake
Happy landings
Juergen
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having a backup in the pocket I tend to take such risks ;)
...not much you can brake
Happy landings
Juergen
:D :D yeah me to, I dont ever alter anything in the sim without making a backup and even a backup of the backup just in case I mis-place the original backup, lol. Did KFLL last night as well, looks like the bouncy taxiways are a thing of the past. :-)
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a bit off topic
...today I started to convert my AI-aircraft textures to DDS - seems to have no negative consequences - but the textures are 'bout 40% smaller - may have some memory impact on large airports like EGLL, LAX, or JFK.
FSX is kinda my "model railway" ;)
...also having the BMP's as backup
Happy landings
Juergen
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a bit off topic
...today I started to convert my AI-aircraft textures to DDS - seems to have no negative consequences - but the textures are 'bout 40% smaller - may have some memory impact on large airports like EGLL, LAX, or JFK.
Your saving them as DXT1 rather than DXT3? I tried batching some of mine a long time ago to 1/2 the file size by changing them to DXT1 from DXT3 but it had some weird consequences on my rig where the AI would stay white until I got real close to them, so I put them back to DXT3. I wish there was a way to save them as DXT3 and keep the same 1024 texture sheet size buit yet cut the file size in half, that would be worth it for me.
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Your saving them as DXT1 rather than DXT3? I tried batching some of mine a long time ago to 1/2 the file size by changing them to DXT1 from DXT3 but it had some weird consequences on my rig where the AI would stay white until I got real close to them, so I put them back to DXT3. I wish there was a way to save them as DXT3 and keep the same 1024 texture sheet size buit yet cut the file size in half, that would be worth it for me.
right - the textures are DXT1 now - there seems in fact to be a short lapse loading the textures if changing to a new airport or doing rapid view changes - but nothing drastic (spaeking for me) - on the other side I'm running UK2000 EGLL with 95% UT2 traffic (and many custum repaints) with only 1,7 GBof FSX memory - plenty of room for a complex airliner ;)
Happy Landings
Juergen
P.S. I suppose we'll have to stop THIS discussion here, 'couse it's a bit off topic for genevas bouncing aircraft
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No problem lads, im just waiting (and wishing) that Umberto comes up with an easier fix for this problem for novices like myself!
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The fix is already on the Live update, run the Stand-Alone Addon Manager (a recent version, published after GSX, if not sure, download it again), and it will get the corrected AFCAD
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Thanks very much Umberto thats great news!
I will download now and give it a bash.
Best
Chris
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That worked a treat Umberto!
Thanks again!
Chris
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Umberto, sorry to did up an older topic but I just used LSGG last night for the first time and my a/c is bobbing up and down as I taxi along the main taxiway that runs along side the main runway. As soon as I get on the runway its smooth but my a/c was going up and down as I was taxiing after pulling off the runway. In all the years I have owned LSGG I dont ever recall this happening, i'm guessing it has to do with the newer ADE that was included with GSX?
Also, since I didn't want to did up the other post below this one on the ATC, last night I lost ATC after contacting ground. They gave me taxi instructions, but when I replied to them nothing happened. Then once I was parked I and tried to contact them for taxi instructions nothing happened.
I only have one active ADE/AFX file for LSGG and have two backup .bak file in the same folder of the older ADE's but they are both renamed to .bak so I dont know if they could cause a problem but I think not.
Aside from that everything else seems to be working fine at the airport, just ATC and bouncing taxiways are a problem.
POST EDIT: Did a scan with the ADE checker and no duplicates were found for LSGG.
POST EDIT #2: I think I may have found the problem. I opened the old ADE file from 2008 and all the taxiway surfaces are listed as Asphalt, then I opened the latest AFX file and a lot of the taxiway surfaces are listed as Macadam. I'm guess that having a taxi surface of macadam rather that asphalt is the reason for the bouncing while taxiing. This being said, can you release another ADF update that changes the taxiway surfaces back to asphalt rather than macadma? I'm going to rename the 2008 ADE file to make it active and rename the new one to .bak and test it out to make sure that fixes it.
Last Edit: Just tried out the old ADE with the asphalt taxiways and the bouncing is gone. The macadam seems to be the issue causing the bouncing.
Sorry, just noticed this post.
There are a few models of aircraft that will always do this bouncing on a macadam surface. One that is often quoted is the Cessna Citation 2.
Norman