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Title: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: airbumps on September 25, 2011, 06:55:24 AM
Hey guys,

Just wondering out loud ; If I understand the features of GSX correctly there will no longer be a need for people to continue purchasing AES and its credits if you're using FSX.

If GSX is going to operate more or less the same features as AES and its going to do it without the need to purchase individual credits for each airport you wish to addon, I can't imagine the anybody is going to waste their time continuing with AES?

What does AES do that GSX will not be able to?

Or am I missing something here?

Cheers,
AB


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: theshack440 on September 25, 2011, 07:13:29 AM
The only thing that I can imagine people still wanting AES for (that use FSX) would especially want the customized jetways for each AES airport (or some of them). Other than that, I imagine the same thing.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: cmpbllsjc on September 25, 2011, 09:47:25 AM
I've never purchased AES credits and have never even tried the free demo, although I did download it and came really close to installing it, but changed my mind at the last minute and deleted the installer.

For me personally, I didn't like the fact that I would have to spend literally hundreds of dollars to cover the vast amount of airport addons that I have. Plus the fact that I already have moving jetways in most of my airports, FSX already has a tug (not as nice as AES though), and I have no use for a Follow Me car since airports in the US dont even use those. I would basically be buying it and spending all that money just to get the marshaller for parking and the service/catering trucks which in my opinon are pretty much useless anyways except for screen shots.

GEX on the other hand, I will buy since it will be useful at ALL airports. Plus I can live without it moving jetways at the airports that dont have them. I'm really glad that I never wasted the money on AES since GSX is being produced.

I dont think it will be the end of AES however since people will continue to buy it for FS9 and those that just can't live without moving jetways will buy credits for FSX to active those particular airports jetways.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: NZEddy on September 25, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
GSX will work with all airports and the pushback system sounds awesome!! That's why I'm getting FSDT GSX.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on September 25, 2011, 02:15:33 PM
I'm really glad that I never wasted the money on AES since GSX is being produced.

Considering all the airports that can be activated with only 1 or 2 credits, I wouldn't call AES a waste of money.  I bought my serial numbers for use with FS9, so when Oliver began supporting FSX, it was free because the FSX versions of my sceneries were already active.  Since I've stopped buying sceneries for FS9 and GSX is coming, I won't buy more AES numbers.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: DChockey08 on September 25, 2011, 10:40:08 PM
Keep in mind : A lot of payware airports do not have moving jetways, and AES I believe will still be used for those airports as GSX will not be able to move those jetways..


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on September 26, 2011, 02:06:32 PM
Only developers I know of that don't use the default animation are Blueprint and Imaginesim.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: virtuali on September 26, 2011, 02:58:25 PM
Only developers I know of that don't use the default animation are Blueprint and Imaginesim.

There are others that don't use any jetway animation at all, and rely only to AES. Flightbeam and FlyTampa are the first that comes to mind.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: theshack440 on September 27, 2011, 04:12:27 AM
Umberto can you convince the guys at Flightbeam to use moving jetways?  :D


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: duckbilled on September 27, 2011, 04:17:04 AM
I'm really glad that I never wasted the money on AES since GSX is being produced.

Considering all the airports that can be activated with only 1 or 2 credits, I wouldn't call AES a waste of money.  I bought my serial numbers for use with FS9, so when Oliver began supporting FSX, it was free because the FSX versions of my sceneries were already active.  Since I've stopped buying sceneries for FS9 and GSX is coming, I won't buy more AES numbers.

When I dumped FS9 and went to FSX, all of my credits were released to be used with FSX products. I made the switch in 2009 and have not needed to buy new credits until this week (I actually have a few extra waiting to be applied to LAX).

In all, I have activated 57 airports in FSX using a total of 132 credits - that averages to about 2.3 credits per airport. When you account for the bonus points you get, it comes about to about $1 per credit. Now, would I be willing to pay $2 more per scenery package to have all of AES's features in each package, standardized so that the commands are the same across the board? You betcha. I would also pay for GSX to have similar features at all the airports not covered by AES. So, in short, I doubt GSX will be the death of AES. Considering that AESNG will be out eventually, it may actually have more features than GSX. Who knows. My hope is that Oliver and Umberto will work together to make sure both products can be used at the same exact time.

Life without AES (or similar) is pretty bleak. I tried to use the default push back at LAX over the weekend to get out of gate B42. It didn't work well at all because the area is too tight. I imagine AES would have pushed the aircraft back, turned it and towed it out to the taxiway. I am not sure how GSX will be able to handle similar situations at non-FSDT airports without making some sort of custom adjustments but I am looking forward to finding out.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: PUP4ORD on September 27, 2011, 04:45:07 AM
Umberto can you convince the guys at Flightbeam to use moving jetways?  :D
That'll happen with the next AES version which should be out soon I hope..... :)


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on September 27, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
You're behind the times, Ken.  SFO got AES support in the last version.   :D


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: PUP4ORD on September 27, 2011, 07:58:38 PM
You're behind the times, Ken.  SFO got AES support in the last version.   :D
Hmm, I hope I'm not wrong but I am sure that full support is not out for KSFOX 2.0. However I will check.....
Correction: I just looked at the Aerosoft website and saw AES 2.13 is out......so it does have support for SFOX. I must have
missed that update but none the less I am happy it now has support. :)


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: theshack440 on September 27, 2011, 10:29:07 PM
You're behind the times, Ken.  SFO got AES support in the last version.   :D
Oh haha, well then nevermind! I'll check that out.

Thanks


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: soundman on September 28, 2011, 10:24:21 PM
I think GSX will make it necessary for AES to be updated graphically to be able to compete.

AES is way behind on visual appeal.

 


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on September 29, 2011, 01:53:18 PM
I doubt you'll see that done.  Oliver has known about GSX for some time now, and he still has the FS9 market to himself.  As for FSX, we'll still need his jetways for airports that have them static, so he'll still be making money.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: virtuali on September 29, 2011, 02:18:45 PM
As for FSX, we'll still need his jetways for airports that have them static, so he'll still be making money.

Which is why, exactly for that reason, he should allow to use AES for jetways alone, so we might even decide not to go after the market of enhancing other airports with jetways too.

AES users will ask for that feature, so they will have the freedom to choose the combination of products at their preferred airports.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Michael_B767_ATP on September 29, 2011, 06:01:06 PM
Hi,

The only potential problem with that idea, would users still have to pay the same credits to activate the airport (just for jetways) as opposed to someone who will be utilizing the entire package?.

Personally, I think you'd be better off creating your own animated/movable jetways. AES still has the FS9 market.

As for FSX, we'll still need his jetways for airports that have them static, so he'll still be making money.

Which is why, exactly for that reason, he should allow to use AES for jetways alone, so we might even decide not to go after the market of enhancing other airports with jetways too.

AES users will ask for that feature, so they will have the freedom to choose the combination of products at their preferred airports.



Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: virtuali on September 29, 2011, 06:04:04 PM
The only potential problem with that idea, would users still have to pay the same credits to activate the airport (just for jetways) as opposed to someone who will be utilizing the entire package?.

New users, yes, but it would benefit those with AES credits already purchased .

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Personally, I think you'd be better off creating your own animated/movable jetways.

Long term, probably.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: duckbilled on September 30, 2011, 05:05:19 PM
I think GSX will make it necessary for AES to be updated graphically to be able to compete.

AES is way behind on visual appeal.

Oliver has been working on AES NG for a while.

I was thinking about this a little more the other day. With AES, Oliver customizes every airport and my understanding is that the jetways are a large portion of the workload. That's what you are paying for with AES - jetway animation and customized pushback (AES has different pushback paths for most gates). Since GSX's pricing structure is different (one time fee I'm assuming), there is no way they could provide AES type jetway animation on a global scale. FSDT would have to customize every single airport which of couse, isn't possible. I do, however, think a rewrite of the FSX jetway animation would be awesome and doable. It would be a big selling feature for me and I think it presents the best opportunity for GSX to dig in to AES market share.

So in the end, it sounds like GSX will be global solution and AES will continue to be a local, more customized solution for specific airports.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on October 01, 2011, 02:05:57 PM
I do, however, think a rewrite of the FSX jetway animation would be awesome and doable.

I think they've already done a rewrite, at least for their own airports.  I called for a jetway at LAX the other day, and the animation was considerably smoother than you find at a default airport.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: virtuali on October 01, 2011, 02:17:51 PM
I think they've already done a rewrite, at least for their own airports.  I called for a jetway at LAX the other day, and the animation was considerably smoother than you find at a default airport.

We haven't changed anything in the default FSX jetways system, the animations are still entirely under FSX control, at all our airports.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: juniormafia27 on October 28, 2011, 08:18:27 PM
I think GSX will make it necessary for AES to be updated graphically to be able to compete.

AES is way behind on visual appeal.

 

I think AES will bring to the table much needed inovated improvement of current AES services.  Find out what others are doing....and just simply make it better. :)


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on October 29, 2011, 02:21:02 PM
I don't see Oliver adding things like animated people to AES... he's known about GSX from the get go, so if that was in his plans, we would've heard something about it.  Once GSX releases, it wouldn't surprise me if Oliver stops supporting FSX.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Fredecardoso on November 19, 2011, 12:01:10 AM
If thw GSX gets support for FS9, the AES, goes down automaticly...i think...


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: PUP4ORD on November 19, 2011, 08:59:31 AM
If thw GSX gets support for FS9, the AES, goes down automaticly...i think...
If this helps Ground Service X, As in for Flight Simulator X not for FS9 ;D


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Fredecardoso on November 19, 2011, 01:33:30 PM
If thw GSX gets support for FS9, the AES, goes down automaticly...i think...
If this helps Ground Service X, As in for Flight Simulator X not for FS9 ;D

I know, but, if some way, FSFDT creates a identical system(Identical as GSX) for FS9, the AES, goes down...


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on November 19, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
I know, but, if some way, FSFDT creates a identical system(Identical as GSX) for FS9, the AES, goes down...

As Umberto has already stated, an FS9 version is not possible.


Title: Re: Will GSX be the end of AES?
Post by: virtuali on November 19, 2011, 09:01:09 PM
I know, but, if some way, FSFDT creates a identical system(Identical as GSX) for FS9, the AES, goes down...

We made GSX to sell it, not to bring AES down.

At the current market situation, we can finally sell an FSX-only product and be happy with sales even without FS9. Particularly if it's a must-have utility that covers all the world like GSX, not a scenery, that might not interest everyone.