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General Category => Unofficial F/A-18 Acceleration Pack board => Topic started by: micro on August 08, 2011, 11:09:21 am
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Tonight I was looking for a video on the forum and just couldn't find it, so I thought "why not have a video thread?". So here goes. Here's a vid that has sentimental value to me that I think is uber cool:
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Hey Micro
Thought I would just take the time to say thanks for posting this.
Sonofabeech out
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Nice video Micro!
Here is another video with 9 minutes of PLAT Cam video (F-14 carrier qual/night) with LSO audio. Some hairy bolters in the mix. I believe it is Hultgreen, but not positive.
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Sick vid find mate :) love them.
"Scuddy"
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Blue Angels with Kaci
"Oh my god that is so cool...."
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Nice vids guys! That CQ one is great but the LSO drives me nuts. He's way to manic in my opinion. And Kaci, well, what more do you want than a hot chick in a blue jet?!
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This is a video I did that I think falls more into the "Nerdy Video Thread", but at the urging of both Sludge and my wife I'll post it.
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AWESOME VIDEO MICRO :o
Thanks for sharing, what a great day to start the day, cup of coffee and FSX Top Gun Video!
The wire effects you show in the video are really cool, wish FSX had that effect.
-Capt
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Thanks Capt. Here's a goodie:
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Was the catapult bogey thing actually animated, or was that done in post production?
Just wondering, because there is a CATAPULT STROKE POSITION:index simvar...
Edit: Probably not. Well, for one, Javier's model doesn't actually do that (:P), and second, in some shots it's animated, but in others it's not.
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Yeah, its post-production. I actually just made that vid to learn new techniques and tricks, hence all the special effects.
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Spaz...
I have that video saved to favorites on my iphone, so when Im at parties or out with friends, I can show the part at 3:50 where she hyperventilates instead of doing the HOOK, G-LOCs, then finally recovers with huge eyes glossed over; looks like she's recovering from a hangover. Laughs every time. Priceless.
JJ...
Another great video, man. Well done in all respects. However, I couldn't stop laughing at 4:05... "Indian Ocean, present day."/"Flight Simulator, present day."
Thanks fellas, especially JJ, great idea for this thread too.
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Sludge
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Couple land traps in Iraq:
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Micro,
Thanks for the great Top Gun Vid. I really like how you compare TP scenery with actual FSX.
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I'd never seen this before.
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WOW! :o
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Fellas...
One of my FAVs, a Hornet fighting a Viper and USING HIM UP. First with the Pitchback in a 1-circle fight, then once he gets on the Viper's tail, its a buncha low yo-yo... the Hornet driver can call guns kills all day long at this point.
Enjoy.
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Sludge
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Fellas..
Another great "dogfight" video with multi-service brevity calls.
Enjoy.
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Sludge
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I like HUD tapes ;D Carrier landings and dog fights most :D
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Interesting 'comic book' effects & wait for the last night landing (at end)...
SFB 2009
"The main video from Strike Fighter Ball 2009 in Oceana. Hands down the best flying video I've ever seen."
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And i thought that the new vapor sound effect inside the cockpit was a bit loud ;)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=114_1313527557
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Letourn...
Funny thing is that when I got the idea (and sound file) from JIMI, I thought it was too "rumbling", so I tried mixing in the rumbling sound with some "airy" type sounds and even I thought it was loud.
I derived the idea of how loud and what the sound should be like in the same way (youtube video) you did, except it was a different video.
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Sludge
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Maybe there is no sound on the video? (I have no sound) but I wonder what we could add?
foul deck.wmv
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Are you frickin serious? Both those guys need to find a new job... here's the worst part, that was my old ship the GW (CVN-73). Figures.
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Sludge
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These two didn't even run across the deck, they just WALKED! ::)
Here's another cool video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsJaVAOEwA&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsJaVAOEwA&NR=1)
And no sound either
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Not being familiar with the Video System or PLAT system (because only experience was on the 'rock 'n roll carrier' above with no such devices) I found this comments info (where the video was found initially) interesting Sludge:
http://www.neptunuslex.com/2011/09/28/darwin-runner-ups/#comments
"bdgerjmn
September 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm · Reply
Probably wasn’t their fault at all to be honest. It was a foul deck at the start of the clip, my guess is it was still foul from the previous trap as the cam shifted from the wires to the plat. Because it was foul, they probably got clearance to cross knowing they didnt have time to catch the jet in the groove. I wonder why paddles didnt get rid of the jet sooner if it indeed was a foul deck and not foul because of the new ‘spectators’.
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lex
September 28, 2011 at 12:52 pm · Reply
Yeah, you’re right. That was a late wave-off. Can’t know what paddles was waiting for.
Still, that “head on a swivel” thing applies.
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Nose
September 28, 2011 at 4:35 pm · Reply
On MOVLAS too. Paddles brain was busy.
Daryle, no reprimand for pilot, he (she?) ain’t responsible for checking the deck, an if he was doing it right, probably never saw them…
Now a deck spotter like me…"
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Still as someone else comments a simple 'LOOK LEFT, LOOK RIGHT and LOOK LEFT again would have been sensible. I would not fancy having an inverted mohawk haircut via the hook. :o
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Thought he was going to have to punch out :-[
pilot: "... sorry about the tone" ;D
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Maybe there is no sound on the video? (I have no sound) but I wonder what we could add?
foul deck.wmv
Here is a Paddles report on this Wave Off:
http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesSafetyGram.pdf
-Capt
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Here is a Paddles report on this Wave Off:
http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesSafetyGram.pdf
-Capt
Two nice photos in the pdf. Thanks
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Thanks, Capt. Good to know.
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Fellas...
Here's the afforementioned wire snap that I was onboard for, and was filmed by NatGeo doing a documentary on the USS GW.
Typical, I go looking for a video to show this incident and the guy who posted this says something snarky, essentially: "if you would've checked the wires, this wouldn't have happened". Sure, except for the fact we just got out of PIA weeks before and passed the post-PIA ship certification WITH 4 NEW WIRES and cat tracks. Figures.
Just wish I could find an HD version of the video...
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Sludge
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Oh wow, that's cool that you were there. Where were you/what were you doing at the time?
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Orion...
I was in my stateroom, reading a book right before going on shift. My stateroom was on the O-3 (ops) level which is just below the flight deck, so we hear everything. This happened in the late afternoon and I was just passing time waiting to go on-shift in CDC (Combat Direction Center). One gets used to all the bumps, thumps, and sounds of cat-shots and traps going on... and when this guy caught the wire, we could hear it spool out normally, then boom, a metal "whip cracking" sound and then another boom (I assumed the ejection seats), then all the 1MCs (shipboard speaker systems) came alive with the usual emergency calls "all hands on flight deck render assistance...", that kind of stuff.
The ironic thing was that TWO YEARS PRIOR, the USS GW just got done with carrier quals and had to scramble (yes, scramble an aircraft carrier; MASSIVELY HARD to do, maintenance and personnel-wise) up the coast to New York after the 9/11 bombings. 9/11 is not a good day for the GW, so IF I were still on that boat, I'd be weary doing anything on that day.
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Sludge
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Have a look at 'DIP' (& others) here - stirring things up:
Strike Fighter views
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DEPLOYMENT (Jan-July 2011) A look into sorties flown in an F/A-18F Super Hornet assigned to the Checkmates of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 211 during a deployment aboard the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65). The aircraft carrier and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 1 were on a deployment conducting maritime security operations in the U.S. 5th and 6th Fleet areas of responsibility. (U.S. Navy video by Lt. Ian Schmidt/Released)"
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Javiers carrier has some cool features.
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DCS looking good.
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Fellas...
Lookie what I found this morning. Micro has been busy, check this out!
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Sludge
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Fantastic work Micro! :D
Totally reminded me of when I watched the actual Blue Angels at Fleet Week 2010. ;D
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another great one for you Micro
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Fellas...
Lookie what I found this morning. Micro has been busy, check this out!
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Sludge
Micro flying as his own wingman we might have to give him a new nickname. ;D
Han Solo
Awesome video all the same thats some good flying.
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Fellas...
Check this out. Talk about the one-armed monkey on approach.
(go to 3:15 for the full pass turn... and at 3:28, he is already at 0.6 and still not lined up... then at 3:32 for the one armed bandit on HOTAS)
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Sludge
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Sludge, thanks. Terrific inset top left view of the 'one armed paper hanger' (we would say). :o ;D
Also there is a brief view of this effect in another FCLP video:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4802.0;attach=11764
zipped "FCLPhornetInsideHQ.zip" (3894.87 KB): scroll down about mid page)
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=4802.msg44584;topicseen#msg44584
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Sludge, wow. :o Seems a little excessive. I'd almost think that was done on the ground as a joke. Or maybe he just had to pee REALLY bad. About the line-up, the ball call is at .75, but you're not required to be lined up at that point. You'd probably be long in the groove if you were.
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One of the things my son told me was that it drove him crazy when I was doing an approach in the sim and would go 5 seconds or more without moving the throttle. He flew one while I watched and he never stopped moving the controls. Not quite as much as in the video, but he was always doing something. I have tried to pick up the technique and my approaches have gotten better.
Mike
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Some reasons for 'stick stirring' for Hornets/Super Hornets as seen in recent videos on this thread, from two LSO Newsletters, contained in attached .DOC file [2.2Mb]. If any troubles with the .DOC file it has been made into a .PDF also [0.7Mb]
The two files have been slightly changed to reflect the URL change as seen below
‘Paddles monthly’ Oct 2010
http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesMonthlyOctober2010.pdf [1.1Mb]
Rhino Flying!!!
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‘Paddles monthly’ Nov 2010
http://www.hrana.org/documents/NewsletterNovember2010.pdf [1.4Mb]
ATC and Me
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I sent this video to an acquainence of mine who flies the Super Hornet. He says that the stick movement is accurate and, as Spaz's post showed, it is the way the aircraft is designed. "In previous aircraft there was very little "north/south" movement of the stick behind the boat because you should be trimmed on speed. But in the Rhino/Growler there is just as much north/south movement on the stick as there is east/west."
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This weekend a decided to watch, again, a DVD that my son gave me for Christmas a few years ago. It's called Speed and Angels. It's a true story about the path of two Naval Aviators as they go through the qualification process for the F-14 Tomcat. There is some great flying footage in it as well as a lot of footage from around the boat. I enjoy it every time I watch it. If you can't get your hands on the DVD it is also available on Hulu.
Mike
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I'll take this opportunity to plug our new promo video :D
-Rabbit
"Flaring to land is like squatting to pee"
WWW.FSXCarrierOps.Com
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Cool Movie.
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Micro...
Thanks for the input, always good to get the real world dope on things.
Mike...
You mean this video? Yeah, I'll probly get it at some point but in the meantime, if you wanna check it out, the dogfighting and carrier quals are the best watch. Was it me, or did the Tomcat seem to LOVE doing Split-S maneuvers? I can see it if its from an energy management standpoint... gotta use gravity to help the lift vector.
Also, look at part 5, about 1:00 and look at the stick movement, very little north/south its mostly east/west. So now we can see why Micro was skeptical.
Enjoy.
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Sludge
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So when the FCS is in PA mode I take it the stick input must be dumbed down to make small corrections the F-16 has a similar mode for inflight refuelling in its FCS. BTW wouldn't East/West/North/South movement be dependent on what the aircraft is actually doing rather than some sort of oscillation(like what you do when in a departure in F-16 with MO switch on you use that pattern for a reason as you have absolutely no control where as the above video represents a pilot in control making micro adjustments for his approach).
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SUBS...
So when the FCS is in PA mode I take it the stick input must be dumbed down to make small corrections
From everything I've heard, thats not the case. I've asked that specific question to a real-world Hornet driver and his direct answer was "the Hornet doesnt change its response in any flight regime".
BTW wouldn't East/West/North/South movement be dependent on what the aircraft is actually doing rather than some sort of oscillation(like what you do when in a departure in F-16 with MO switch on you use that pattern for a reason as you have absolutely no control where as the above video represents a pilot in control making micro adjustments for his approach).
Again, I dont think this is the case with the Hornet, either in PA or UA flight modes. After reading Spaz' posts, it seems highly unlikely that either Hornet FCS have that logic. The reason I put that Tomcat video in there is to compare/contrast it with the Super Hornet (statically unstable; according to that link's paper) and lots of movement vs. the Tomcat and legacy Hornet (statically stable; and trimmed) that require more working of the throttle instead of north/south stick movements. I mean, yes there are a few north/south movements in the Tomcat but very few in comparison to the Super video where it looked like the pilot was all over the place with the stick.
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Sludge
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I'll have to read the SH NATOPs again there is some interesting stuff there on the FCS I have since forgotten although mostly it was regarding trim was why I read it a while back.(while landing etc)
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My latest video some carrierops with AW using T45s.
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Here's a 1963 cool movie about the LSO:
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Nice find Serge.
I thought it was funny how they state in the video that the LSO sets the fresnel lens to a 4 degree glideslope, and 20 to 25 seconds is the correct groove time. Looks like old carrier aviation was setup like our FSX flying ;D
-CAPT
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Some more cool high quality cockpit videos in the super hornet, fast forward to the times I suggest for viewing pleasure.
Good HUD tape at 1:01 for launch and 3:08 for landing (also good slow motion beginning and end of video)
2:21 for some low level flying (also see some stick movements) then 2:52 landing (look how he takes his hands off the stick and throttle at 2:59 :o)
Night HUD tape at 3:54 and some good PLAT
Carrier break at 5:05
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Not Hornet related but I was blown away by this one. Seems the J models has a little more under the hood.
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/cpasley/5495/
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Flight Deck Safety Awareness Video Guide From: NavalSafetyCenter | Dec 15, 2011
"The Naval Safety Center has provided a printed magazine on flight-deck safety for many years. A few years ago, we produced this video to be used in the training of flight-deck personnel. Although a few years old, the information still is valid and is a good tool as a refresher for those familiar with flight-deck operations or for new people not accustomed to the flight deck. This video has been distributed on CD-ROMs for several years, but it is now being made available on the internet."
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Strike Fighter Ball 2011 was released recently:
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Posting this in hope that an FSX aircraft maker will be inspired to make at least an F-35C with such a view from HMDS simulation. Yep there is the F-35A from the good Dino but....
StrikeEye (F-35B) - Mission 9.mov
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Short, but a slightly different angle of the Blues:
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Amazing perspective!
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FCLP as it is...
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Strike Fighter Ball 2011 was released recently:
Check out the pass starting ~11:12 in the vid, looks like the IFOLS is down and they are using the MOVLAS, what do you think?
Also what do you think they are trying to say about the SFWSL 8:00 minutes and on (they keep making fun of them)? I am guessing it is because the SFWSL is always the adversary kicking the other squadrons tails in BFM/ACM. I think the shot of the parking lot is funny, especially because my friend who flies for SFW Atlantic doesn't have an assigned plane, or plane with his name on it currently (he just uses a spare plane from the squadron they are training that day).
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CAPT....
Also what do you think they are trying to say about the SFWSL 8:00 minutes and on (they keep making fun of them)?
Might be similar to how he ChairForce pokes fun at its weapons school guys (infamous "patch wearers") as anal, boring guys who love to hear themselves talk.
(this is a bad example, but I think you'll get the point)
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Sludge
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Dirty Roll, gets dirty... ;)
I thought the fighter pilot motto was "I would rather die... than look bad" ::)
CAPT
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Dirty Roll, gets dirty... ;)
I thought the fighter pilot motto was "I would rather die... than look bad" ::)
CAPT
Looks like he got into an inverted stall.. That isn't good.
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Crazy people! ;D
...and as seen from the cockpit:
The guy in this Pitts rocks!!! 8)
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Just found this one. Viewed best in 720P HD, full screen. And if you are so inclined, crank up the volume :)
Mike
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Looks like a remix of other vids, including the PBS "Carrier" special and a good Growler CQ vid that was removed shortly after hitting the Tube.
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If you mean this one, it was put back up.
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Thanks micro, just watched this on SOH. There was another vid out shot from the WSO station with the same AWOLNation music, but it was a CQ and not around KNUW. Helps me get the bearing and spacing for form in the Hornet.
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SAM launches over Baghdad :o
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ee_1328291061
-CAPT
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Somewhat on the Growler kick, here's the latest cruise vid from VAQ-141 in 3 parts:
Part 1 @ 5:00 has a trap from the HUD. Something I've started to notice in other cockpit vids, the left DDI is always on the HUD page? Need to research this one, but guess I'll starting doing setting up my VRS/Sludge the same.
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I think having the HUD on the left DDI is pretty standard. I know that's how my son, who is a real life Hornet driver, always has it.
Mike
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This a Navy Carrier Qual Training video from the 70's featuring the T2 Buckeye......the music is pretty cool too.
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"A piece of cake, if you're smooth..." ;D
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Can it look any better than this
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Unless you're actually shooting something.
It would be good if we could do this in FS Fly. 8)
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Nice video!
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May I add my own?
You guys can decide if it's cool.
-Vern
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VFA-14 cruise vid that one Super Bug pilot shot, mostly cockpit views. He has 2 others that look just as good.
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I must have missed this one.
-CAPT
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F-14 Tomcat carrier landing tutorial plus PLAT footage.
"Uploaded by Fumbaga on Feb 14, 2012
Nostalgic video tutorial outlining US Naval Case 1 (VFR) Aircraft Carrier pattern and landing of the now retired F-14 Tomcat.
Narration is word for word from official US Navy F-14 NATOPS flight manual. Carrier pattern also applies to F/A-18 operations.
Voice over provided by the lovely Jane.
Video also had compilation of Pilot Landing Aid Television System (PLAT) video used by Landing Signal Officers (LSO) to monitor approaching aircrafts position on the glideslope and centreline."
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Thanks, Spaz!
Now everyone can see how dangerous an inflight engagement could be... :o
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Not certain if this is new or a repeat... anyway here it is. Pic is a screengrab.
F-18 Catch and Bouncy Ride
http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/jet-fighters/f-18-catch-and-bouncy-ride/644575058001/
COMMENTS by NepLex (sadly recently killed in a Kfir 21 crash at NAS Fallon).
Rhino Cut to an IFE By lex, May 16th, 2011
PLAT LSO says:
“C: (LULX-IM) _NEPSAR_ _TT1_”
Cut Pass – A little lined-up left start-to-in-the-middle, not enough power settle at the ramp (underlined), taxi, taxi one wire (underlined)
http://www.neptunuslex.com/2011/05/16/rhino-cut-to-an-ife/
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F-14 Tomcat carrier landing tutorial plus PLAT footage.
Did you notice that on the first PLAT footage, the Tomcat came aboard with a refulling basket (at 2:10) ?
Ost
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Short Hornet vid judging by the helmet is VFA-83 and Oceana in the background. Lots of grunting ACM action ending with a break back at NTU.
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Really good video of an A-6 taking the barricade. I've seen a shorter version of this video before, but this one is longer, and really gives you a sense of the LSO working with the pilots and Air Boss to get the crippled Intruder back on deck safely.
CAPT
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Really good video of an A-6 taking the barricade. I've seen a shorter version of this video before, but this one is longer, and really gives you a sense of the LSO working with the pilots and Air Boss to get the crippled Intruder back on deck safely.
CAPT
great vid
looks to me that the boat is pitching ??
The LSO seems to take over at call-the-ball "paddles contact" after pryfly has given heading vectors in the pattern, which I think is wide, and final approach to glide path telling the pilot slight changes in bearing and altitude.
"a little more power........a little more power......cut, cut"
you can see the response ?? I think I do.
A lot to learn here. Thanks
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A guess at time from call-the-ball to hitting the deck (vid times)
10:27 call the ball
10:32 paddles contact
10:55 cut
10:57 or 58 on deck
10:59 hit barrier
speed 120 reported by pilot on approach, wind 30 stated by LSO
I guess wind is WOD
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Wily...
Good comments with the exception that its CATCC that talks him up to Paddles, not PriFly, go to 3:35 and listen to the commentary. I would also add how calm, cool, and collected Paddles is and how much that affected this whole turn of events for the better. Nothing like having that assured voice over the radio that talks you ALL THE WAY TO SHUTDOWN. Even after the barricade grab, Paddles is telling the pilot to "stay with it". That Paddles is second to none, from all the videos I've seen and heard.
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Sludge
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CATCC -----right, it's my mistake, don't know my proper wordings. CATCC is below the pryfly, actually below the flight deck. CATCC ------ carrier air traffic control center.
Thanks for correcting. I always need correcting.
Yes I've watched twice more, a bit clear now, will watch more, vid is certainly worth it, "Bug" is very unique. Other barricade trap vids are not as interesting one could say. I downloaded the vid and edited the excess at the end. I can watch it when I want.
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Great find and that is the guy you want on the other end of the radio for sure. Got to see this real life (day) on my 1st cruise on Big "E" with a VA-75 Intruder taking the barricade.
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In case you missed this one over on the VRS forum, really good/high quality HUD video from VFA-14 Tophatters, including some HD vid of the pilot working the stick and throttle during the carrier landing.
CAPT
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Fellas...
Thanks to patricks aviation and the canadian airforce, you get to see a version of the F-18 simulator.
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Enrouk/4145/ (http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Enrouk/4145/)
Enjoy.
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Sludge
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There was something in that video that really caught my eye; how high his eyepoint was in relation to the panel. I don't remember being that high when I flew the sim. Maybe he's just a heck of a lot taller than I am. LOL
Mike
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Mike...
Yeah, the guy seems a little taller. I dont remember being that high up either, just close to the HUD panel.
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Sludge
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Good thing he was wearing a helmet :D,
Noticed he had to use two hands when in high g turns, from what I remember in the sim, this was pretty accurate, it takes a lot of force to get the stick where you want to go in high g maneuvers even with FBW. No controller for flight sim enthusiasts comes close in my opinion to those forces required or felt on the stick in the sim.
CAPT
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CAPT...
Noticed he had to use two hands when in high g turns, from what I remember in the sim, this was pretty accurate, it takes a lot of force to get the stick where you want to go in high g maneuvers even with FBW. No controller for flight sim enthusiasts comes close in my opinion to those forces required or felt on the stick in the sim.
x2 of what you said. My x52 definately feels like a baby's toy in comparison to the real stick. And yeah, when I did the bat turns (max G turn) to see how much the speed bled off... I put the throttle to MAX and then used both hands to pull the stick back. This is also why its soo hard to make a realistic G-Limiter, 'cause the real stick gets more resistant as you pull farther back.
And just think... the Blues ADD a 40lb spring to the stick for their demo. Better be strong.
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Sludge
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Absolutely marvellous stuff! 8) 100% pure ambient cockpit sounds.
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That's a cool video fsxnavypilot!
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Fellas...
Check this out. Some really great legacy Hornet stuff from the Canadian side (Alphas/Bravos) and a perfect in-flight pilot HUD view at 30:28. See how UNOBTRUSIVE the physical HUD Indexer is... if youre not a Hornet guy, you'd have a hard time spotting it.
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Sludge
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Part 4 (out of 5).
At 4:00 some good examples of the LSO at work both ashore and at sea. And working IFLOLS and FLOLS lights.
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Classic, although one would think they would review the script with a pilot, "minimum 150kts to avoid engine stall". Typical, most of the general public outside think of a stall as their car engine stalling, not as an aerodynamic term.
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... And working IFLOLS and FLOLS lights.
Actually it was a MOVLAS Mk1 installed at station 1 (in front of FLOLS) :)
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Thought this was fake or FSX (looks like the FSX PLAT cross hairs), pretty close call for the Greyhound! :o
You can also hear the LSO call a 4.0 degree G/S for the 50 Knot winds!!! :o Guess we could try 50 Knot winds in FSX for the 4.0 Degree G/S.
Another C-2 video, start around 50 seconds to see how much your hands need to be moving, notice how solid it looks when the camera looks at the boat IM vs the movement in the cockpit.
CAPT
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Thanks 'capthaltli' great second movie. He works hard for the money! ;D
In FSX we can do anything but in reality of more or less than 'ideal NATOPS' WOD brings a penalty. I guess for the aircraft in question the WOD was within limits.
Here is an explanation about 'higher than required WOD' penalty with a .GIF graphic summary attached:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA239511
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Wow thats a good IFR condition. ;D
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https://vimeo.com/42893825
Check this video out.
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Last two thirds of movie much better than first third (due terrain & view forward).
Low Level
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Low Level through the Sierras. No music on this one."
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F/A-18F Super Hornet Refuels from Another F/A-18: Cockpit View
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Just came across this - apologies if it's already been posted.
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Just came across this - apologies if it's already been posted.
The REAL jet canyon race!
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Air-refilling gone bad. Herb
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Thanks Herb. Earlier we have been discussing HTML links to this movie so for a demonstration for Herbie I'll add this link to see if it works here:
http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=ff2_1187977373
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ENJOY GUYS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://www.prochan.com/view?p=98f_1348994042
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First time I have seen such a camera angle(s) movie. Great stuff. I think I saw the IFLOLS in a glimpse with hook down (about 2m 09s - I'll get a screengrab). Thanks. It has been suggested that the carrier is INS Vikramaditya - new Indian Navy carrier - made from old Russian one. So I guess we see test approaches. First landing was 28 July 2012 in MiG-29KUB.
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on 11 october i was lucky enough to go here......this video was filmed from the mountains in front of axalp....go to min 3.01 and be SCARED :D :D :D :D
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HERE ANOTHER ONE...JUST LOOK AT THE PC21 DEMO
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Formation Take off and Formation Landing with funny formation in between:
http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/jet-fighters/f-18-hornet-training-cockpit-view/1920506560001/
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SevenG video
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This sim is starting to look really good.
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RAAF taking some V8 Super Car drivers up for ACM:
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/cswaerospace/5753/
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Hey look its a mosquito.
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Subs17,now the video on the RCAF hornets makes me jealous.Very very nice.I dont have the VRS hornet yet but tell about the KC-135 please.I do have the KC-135 by PAD and fly it every now and then but my question is,how to get it up flying while Im in the hornet.I have used my ATFX by Flight 1 but that sucks. So if you got time let me in on it .
Thank you.
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There is info here on setting up inflight refuelling.
http://forums.vrsimulations.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4289
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Thank you SUBS17
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J15 Carrierops
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One of the best I've seen in awhile, enjoy!
GOONIE
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Thanks 'GOONIE' - what a great video. I like "SCHMIDT's" ratty gloves. Note the rapid control movements during approaches before the video goes mental fast (for what reason? - but I digress). Well done. Shit Hot Aviators. ;D ::)
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Goonie...
Great find. There's a part about 0:25 seconds that's an interior modeler's GOLD. Thats the perspective that I remember from the sim but that NO ONE in flight sims has gotten correct yet. Look at that teenie tiny cute little Indexer. Haha.
Also, check out this guys other Y/T videos, very good squadron-made stuff. Definately shows how a deployed fleet squadron lives on the boat.... gotta pass the days somehow.
Take Care.
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Sludge
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Sludge,
Long time bro. Yeah I like his other Y/T videos too. Especially the one he preflights, starts up, and taxis to the Cat, all from the perspective of the pilot. Pretty cool.
Agree the indexer needs to be updated to the correct size. I might try to build an indexer myself, did you see my thread DIY HUD on the forum? I built a HUD prototype since I mainly fly in 2D HUD view, and I might make my own AoA indexer to complete the build.
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Goonie...
Yeah, those videos rock. I've done a few screenshot saves of the cockpit/HUD, so that if they pull the videos I have them for further reference. Man, I wish I could code/model, so I could make an FSX C/D Hornet that has the correct eyepoint, perspective, and HUD build.
I havent looked at it, I'll take a gander this weekend and see what I can come up with from your post. Also, we've never heard back from Virtuali about the possibility of "creating" an added interior model for the HUD projection plane onto the existing interior model. That would rock, if we could do it, as it would work in the VC.
[EDIT] I have seen the DIY HUD thread, sorry, Im old... forgot about that post. Re-reading. Super cool setup!!
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Sludge
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a great video worth to watch it
http://vimeo.com/53133610
go deasy!!!
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and here you will get scared!!!! sec 0.36 OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!( i was there, axalp, 11 october 2012, meiringen ab, suisse) ;D ;D ;D
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The best uninterrupted video I've seen in awhile. Great air to air refueling (1:21), dang that looks hard. Even better is a full carrier landing starting at 2:10. Neat to see all the small corrections being made in real time with out all the fancy editing and cut aways you normally see in these videos. How do you feel the relative speeds compare between what you see in the video and what it looks like in FSX? Would be neat to do a side by side comparison of the carrier landing in the video and FSX carrier landing, let me see if I can do that. Enjoy!
GOONIE
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Sukhoi Su-33 - Amazing Footage
"Published on Jan 5, 2013
Please visit my channel @ http://www.youtube.com/user/vexed123
Amazing Footage of Sukhoi Su33 on the Admiral Kuznetsov.
The Sukhoi Su-33 (Russian: Сухой Су-33; NATO reporting name: Flanker-D) is an all-weather carrier-based air defence fighter designed by Sukhoi and manufactured by KnAAPO. It is a derivative of the Su-27 "Flanker" and was initially known as the Su-27K. First used in operations in 1995 aboard the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, The fighter officially entered service in August 1998, by which time the designation "Su-33" was used. Following the break-up of the Soviet Union and the subsequent downsizing of the Russian Navy, only 24 aircraft were produced. Attempted sales to China and India fell through.
Compared with the Su-27, the Su-33 has a strengthened undercarriage and structure, folding wings and stabilators, all for carrier operations. The wings are larger than on land-based aircraft for increased lift. The Su-33 has upgraded engines and a twin nose wheel, and is air refuelable. The aircraft's range and payload are greater than those of the rival MiG-29K, but the Mikoyan fighter has more advanced avionics and is capable of a wider range of missions, including strike operations. In 2009, the Russian Navy ordered the MiG-29K as a replacement for the Su-33."
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Similar - earlier - video but not as informative as one above....
Sukhoi Su-33 on Admiral Kuznetsov
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Awesome videos SpazSinbad.
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F18 Carrier Ops YOUTUBE VIDEO
"Published on Jan 4, 2013
Carrier Strike Group 8: F-18 E/F Super Hornet flight operations from USS Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Breaking Benjamin: Outro
Foo Fighters: Bridge Burning
Metallica: Breadfan
Social Distortion: So Far Away"
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Aircraft Carrier Landings: "Sea Legs" circa 1980 Grumman US Navy
At beginning the initial 'nose work' by the 'approx' RIO view of Tomcat approach is exaggerated by zoom lens; but impressive nevertheless.
Published on Oct 5, 2012
"This documentary takes a close look at naval aviation on a modern aircraft carrier. It features extensive footage of the launching and recovery of carrier aircraft, including super-slow-motion footage of landings. A successful carrier landing, known as a "trap" by naval aviators, is a one of the most difficult and dangerous duties in the life of any aviator. Source: Naval History and Heritage Command, Photographic Section, UMO-11."
Public domain film from the the US Navy, slightly cropped to remove uneven edges, with the aspect ratio corrected, and mild video noise reduction applied.
The soundtrack was also processed with volume normalization, noise reduction, clipping reduction, and/or equalization (the resulting sound, though not perfect, is far less noisy than the original).
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F35 FLIGHT SIMULATOR with STEVE LONG F-35C Carrier Landing Circuit Approach as seen in the (not the full FMS) BAE Simulator
"Uploaded on Feb 7, 2012
Steve Long BAE Systems test pilot, shows you how he lands an F-35, travelling around 150MPH, onto the deck of a moving aircraft carrier. All this is done in the Carrier Simulator, at Warton, Lancashire."
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Wheres the donut on the F35?
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What is seen on this BAE 'no longer used for F-35C because UK now back to F-35B use' simulator (2012) is the virtual HUD as seen in the HMDS II pilot display before his eyes. Probably the actual Full Mission Simulator (several now installed in various places in USA and later in other countries) has a better simulated view because the pilot will wear a simulated HMDS II helmet system. Anyway AFAIK there is no AoA indexer except as seen in the vHUD.
There is a good recreation of what is known for public consumption in Dino Cattaneo 's F-35C FREE addon for FSX Accelerator.
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Not sure if its been posted before but heres a U2 doing carrierops, crazy stuff.
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Hey fellas. Long time no see. ;D I had to post one of the last vids of the Big E. Gonna miss the old girl!
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Micro...
Great video. Yeah, I've seen that one and really like the HUD shots as well.
How's life treating you?
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Sludge
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Micro...
Have you seen the other videos from that same Y/T poster? The alert launch and deployment videos? Same type of cam and style... very well done.
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Sludge
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These are very motivational for firing up FSX and hitting the deck. Did my first cruise on Big-E with CVW-17, good times.
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Victory...
These are very motivational for firing up FSX and hitting the deck. Did my first cruise on Big-E with CVW-17, good times.
No kidding. I did some cross-training with the BigE's Skipper/OpsO in CDC trying to fix their OTIXCS/Link system in summer 2003, when both our boats were in Portsmouth dry dock for PIA. When were you with the BigE?
On a smaller note, as EW divO, I'd get more free time than most, so I'd head up to the 08-level on the island to watch launch ops and still to this day it amazes me how flight deck personnel (esp. final checkers) could even think squatting down right next to a jet on full burner. I mean, the noise and vibration were rumbling through me up on Vulture Row.
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Sludge
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I did the work-ups and Med cruise in '96 with my squadron, HS-15.
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Victory...
Oh OK. I know the Nav Av world is small, was just wondering, in case we might have crossed paths at some point.
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Sludge
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Fellas...
Just found these videos. Enjoy. Check out the other vids from the Y/T author.
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Sludge
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Nice find Sludge!
The music definitely adds to the suspsense... "shake it off"
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Sweet vid! Maybe someone with better knowledge of Hornet HUD symbology can help me out, but it looks like he's in A/A mode? Is that common practice when hitting the tanker? Is there a reason why it would be useful to do that? The only thing I could think of was that having the range to the 135 displayed on the HUD would be nice. Anybody have any insight?
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Pyro...
Yes, in US tactical refueling (non-close control) they go nose hot, so they can get steer guidance from radar and the HUD 'til they get tally on tanker. Then they have to go nose cold, switches safe before 0.5 NM and "pre-contact".
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Fellas...
Check out this stuff from Megascenery. Wow, whole states now. They even fly the default Hornet in some of the videos, I really like this Florida video.
Might get it just to do some VFR flights, P'Cola to Eglin and Tyndall.
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Sludge
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T45 Goshawh Return To base, break ldg, Raw Footage
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ENd of acm flight returnig to base, Nas Boca chica, FL"
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Spaz...
Good video. HOLY SHITE, I think I met that LSO kid at 1:55, when I was at the Alliance airshow. Was yapping about my time in the Skypig (yes, they still call EA-6Bs that) community as a mechanic, and we get to talking about what LSOs do. He told me that they have A LOT of responsibility... starting with SAFE and CONSISTENT (his words, correcting my wrong idea) "bring aboard rate" and then how the entire airwing is graded as a whole from those rates. Forgot how intertwined everything is aboard ship and I've only been away from it for 10 years.
Anyway, was just a NO SHITE moment when I saw him spin around. Same haircut too. Funny.... such a small world, especially in Nav Av.
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Sludge
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Perhaps of interest about what a GOOD LSO can do (CDR 'Bug' Roach) in really difficult circumstances.
A6 Catches the Barricade Circa 1987 [1m52s]
"Uploaded on Jul 13, 2010
After losing a wheel a crippled A6 Intruder catches the barricade in a tense emergency landing. The aircrew walked away from this unhurt. Note the exceptionally quick response of the deck crew."
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McNallyTV: U.S. Marine Captain Rand McNally "Atlas" crash lands on USS Ranger [19m 49s]
"Uploaded on Apr 22, 2011
During a storm in the Indian Ocean, Atlas was down one set of landing gear. The rest of the squadron went and landed on a nearby island due to the storm, Atlas, had to dump his fuel and had one chance to land into the net. This is a great tribute to Bug Roach (Bug can be heard on the audio calmly talking the pilot down to the aircraft carrier) and his contribution to Naval Aviation. Footage is from March 9, 1991 [actually March 9, 1987 according to Feb 2013 (LSO) Paddles Monthly Newsletter]"
http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesMonthlyMarch2013.pdf (1.7Mb)
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F/A-18 & EA-18G: Taking Today's Warfighter into Tomorrow NAVAIRSYSCOM
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Introduced in 1978 as a multi-mission aircraft, the F/A-18 Hornet was designed to be affordable in development and production, and even more importantly, affordable in life-cycle costs, where the key to success is improved reliability and maintainability. These goals have been achieved by this proven platform that will serve our nation well into the 21st century."
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Thanks FSXNP. Good to see the LSO simulator in action.
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Hey gents. I came across this video today and had to post it. It's a bit old but has some great footage.
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Another Discovery Wings classic. This time my all-time favorite girl, the SR.
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Nice find Paddles, I really liked seeing the LSO simulator in operation, always wondered what it looked like. I wonder how the simulated airplane interprets the LSO's commands and performs the action in real time. Is someone actually flying the simulated plane and responding, or is it voice activated only (hopefully not using iphone's siri voice software ;)?
Micro, enjoyed the top gun video. When they talked about how people have been saying since WWI that dog fighting is no longer needed, it made me think of a conversation I had over a beer(s) this weekend with my buddy who flies hornets for the Strike Fighter Weapons School Atlantic (SFWSL) and is a graduate of top gun. While he no doubt enjoys what he does, he is not too optomistic on the continuing need for close range dog fighting skills or ACM (besides training new pilots) unless the current threat enviroment changes. He feels his future is probably protecting the UCAVs.... :'(
GOONIE
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Harrier Flight (2013) Great Pilot View Video of Flat Deck Take Off and Vertical Landing of this USMC AV-8B Harrier (you can imagine an F-35B instead?).
“Published on Apr 23, 2013 Video by Gunnery Sgt. Michael Kropiewnicki 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit. Capt. David Neely, an AV-8B Harrier Pilot assigned to Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron (VMM) 266 (Re-inforced), 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), conducts flight operations off USS Kearsarge (LHD3), Mediterranean 28 Mar 2013.”
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That is an awesome video Micro! so good that I watched it twice.
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On the NavAv track for the U-2 here is an abridged version below : [non-abridged here: http://defensetech.org/2011/12/06/video-u-2-carrier-ops/ ]
Lockheed U-2 Carrier OPS Declassified (U-2 Arrest JPG from: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/u2/carrier_02.jpg)
"Uploaded on Dec 6, 2009
In early 1964 Bob Schumacher conducted a number of trial landings and take-offs from the USS Ranger and a number of other CIA pilots, including Jim Barnes, became carrier qualified. The target for the U-2G was the French nuclear test site, situated at Mururoa Atoll in the middle of the South Pacific, well out of the range of a land-based U-2. Consequently, in May 64 a U-2G operating from the USS Ranger photographed Mururoa Atoll and until 1968 three of the CIAs fleet of U-2s and a number of pilots were always carrier capable, although few actual sorties were ever flown."
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some new ones.
FCLP Fentress
GoPro Oceana and Pensacola
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Just how I remember NGU and NTU areas, always overcast. Nice IAP into NPA and finish with a proper arrival out of the break!
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Wow, really cool find on youtube. If you ever wanted to ride along in an A-6E for some night traps, and also hear all the audio this is it.
"Cockpit cam in A-6E Intruder during night carrier recovery. First attempt is waved off for fouled deck. Can hear all typical radio calls of a night recovery at sea. This is raw and unedited so feel free to skip ahead. For the salty fleet guys half the fun is listening to the comms from Strike, Marshall and Paddles.. Note the Paddles calls to the guy on the ball ahead of us."
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Love it, great to see how busy the BN is, no sandbagging there.
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You might be interested in this 1963 air show video NAS Whidbey. My dad was a ACMC Master Chief Petty Officer there 62 thru 64. I'm the spastic 9 year old at 0:08 sec. Cmd. Ken Wallace of the Blue Angels at that time was a good friend off my Mom and dads.
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Fellas...
For those of you who remember OCS (previously AOCS) in Pensacola and the pain of the Drill Instructors, check this one out. It should be titled: "Back to the sweet smell of Mustard Gas"
At 1:00, when he says "hiya Sarge, where do I check in to fly?", I would pay BIG MONEY to see an Officer Candidate say that IRL. The blast radius on that explosion would be awesome.
Did you all catch the VINTAGE (hard as that is to say) FA-18A Hornets?
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Sludge
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First F-35B Vertical Takeoff Test VIDEO
"Published on May 20, 2013
An F-35B test aircraft completes the first-ever vertical takeoff (VTO) at NAS Patuxent River, Md., on May 10, 2013. While not a capability used in combat, VTOs are required for repositioning of the STOVL in environments where a jet could not perform a short takeoff. In these cases, the jet, with a limited amount of fuel, would execute a VTO to travel a short distance."
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Only FS-X Video from my Project USNTPS virtual
First 2 Ship F-18 Sludge Formation
VRS F-18E
USNTPS 2 Ship Buckeye Edwards
2 Ship F-15 Strike Eagle USNTPS
2 Ship Dinos T-45
Milviz F-15 Formation
The 2 Ship Trojan T-28 in Pensacola
F-35C with vLSO
a good virtual test pilot is always in training
Thomas
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my first post and thought I would share this from another forum - cheers
http://vimeo.com/31549908# (http://vimeo.com/31549908#)
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Welcome to the forums and thanks for sharing Puff.
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Very cool video and welcome Puff!
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Great Video 'Puff' - thanks for that. A similar but old video is called 'Down to the Wire' with T-2C Buckeyes:
DOWN TO THE WIRE PART 1, 2 & 3 - US NAVY 8066
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
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Screenshot from 'Angle of Attack - Excerpt 1' Video showing 'crossing the wake' however the explanation is a bit muddled but I think we get the idea. NavAv can be difficult to explain. ;D
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thanks for the warm welcome guys - I much appreciate the hard work you guys put into carrier ops
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NIGHT Vertical Landing F-35B USS Wasp VIDEO:
Two F-35B Lightning II Jets Begin Developmental Testing II Aboard USS Wasp
F-35B Accomplishes First Night Vertical Landing Aboard USS WASP
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F-35B Lightning II Week 1 Testing
"Published on Aug 26, 2013 Video of the F-35B Lightning II conducting Development Testing II testing aboard USS Wasp (LHD 1) during week 1 of testing."
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Wow! I'm surprised that they have started releasing videos already. I'm actually on the USS WASP right now. It's been pretty cool watching this thing take off, land and do flight ops on our deck for the past three weeks. Tons of Lockheed Martin workers embarked. From talking to some of the pilots, this thing is pretty impressive from the flight handling perspective. Can't wait to pull back in though.
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'Jimi08' I understand you want to be back - you are fortunate I reckon - make sure you wear your ear muffs. Turn the volume up to ELEVEN! ;D
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Nice video Spaz. That thing pretty much lands right above my office just below the flight deck. VERY LOUD.
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Heheh. Are you able to wear ear plugs or is that not practical? I have read about new flight deck ear protection being developed for all the USN flat decks. I guess that gear will be available soonish? Look after your hearing. I have had some slight to moderate hearing loss from my time in the RAN FAA when we did our best to protect our hearing - some worse than others of course. And hearing will never improve because hearing loss is cumulative. Meanwhile here is....
Aircraft Carriers: Modern Warships - Big bigger biggest [National Geographic] LONG 50 Minute VIDEO
"Published on May 23, 2013
This film reveals how seven ingenious technological breakthroughs enabled engineers to build the biggest aircraft carrier in the world - the USS Nimitz, weighing more than 100,000 tons.
From steam catapults and mirror landing aids to advanced nuclear-powered engines, well chart the historic inventions embodied by seven landmark aircraft carriers to see how aircraft carrier design continues to push the limits of size.
An aircraft carrier is a warship designed with a primary mission of deploying and recovering aircraft, acting as a seagoing airbase. Aircraft carriers thus allow a naval force to project airpower worldwide without having to depend on local bases for staging aircraft operations. They have evolved from wooden vessels used to deploy balloons into nuclear-powered warships that carry dozens of fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft.
Aircraft carriers are typically the capital ship of a fleet, and are extremely expensive to build and important to protect. Of the ten nations that possess an aircraft carrier, eight possess only one. Twenty aircraft carriers are currently active throughout the world with the U.S. Navy operating 10 as of February 2013 though some of these nations no longer have carrier-capable aircraft in inventory and have repurposed these ships."
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Looks like an SRVL approach to me (when 6 degree glideslope reached then descent at 60 knots). I did not hear the narration on Youtube but later so that clarifies what is going on.
Here is a graphic explaining the SRVV Ship Referenced Velocity Vector from: http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesMonthlyAugust2011.pdf (2.2Mb)
Paddles Monthly August 2011 ‘What the Future Beholds...’ Dan "Butters" Radocaj Test Pilot/LSO VX-23 Ship Suitability
“...We may also need to add another lens-type glideslope indicator. One idea is called a Bedford Array. You can see in Figure 1 that a Bedford Array is like a lens spread of over the length of the LA. Unlike an IFLOLS which has 12 cells that are always on to create a glideslope reference, the Bedford Array is a set of Christmas lights and only the light corresponding to current position of the touchdown point is illuminated. Just as the dynamic touchdown point moves across the deck on the LSODS screen, the Bedford Array lights would “move” forward and back across the deck corresponding to the dynamic touchdown point. Figure 2 shows what your HUD may look like. You keep the ship stabilized velocity vector on top of the Bedford light that is illuminated. The datum is a reference line in your HUD. As long as the 3 all line up you are on glide path. A Bedford Array & a ship stabilized velocity are indicators of glide-slope that will show you if you are off glide-slope more precisely but they still don’t make the airplane respond differently....”
http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesMonthlyAugust2011.pdf (2.2Mb)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/th_SRVLshipreferencedvelocityvectorSRVV.png) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/SRVLshipreferencedvelocityvectorSRVV.png.html) I'll attach it also...
Landing an F35B on HMS Queen Elizabeth SRVL
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What will it look like of pilots coming in to land, at night, on HMS Queen Elizabeth? This simulation will give you an idea..."
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Excellent 'Paddles' - thanks for a good laugh. ::) Despite the antics we can see the various checks being done by the 'shooter' before sending the Hornet airborne. I'll post this Utube link here:
http://instapinch.com/?p=3226
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And yet another good video with some green and yellow shirts' jestures explained:
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A pretty much old video, but still useful. Especially from 9:35. A must have for all virtual carrier aviators. 8)
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A pretty much old video, but still useful. Especially from 9:35. A must have for all virtual carrier aviators. 8)
Fixed your link.
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That's a handy video to learn carrier landings with.
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Because of the shear awesomeness of the producer... here is parts 1-3
You're welcome! LOL
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http://vimeo.com/79072353
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Since Youtube does not approve of this particular video, I thought I'd re-share it:
https://vimeo.com/76704511
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Awesome, micro! I was wondering where that had gotten to. :)
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History of LAND ARREST systems in 15 minutes....
Better Way ESCO Arresting Jan 10, 2013 [15 mins]
"Better Way is a Marketing film from our former company, ADEC (Gulf & Western / E.W. Bliss) and its amazing Aircraft Arresting Systems that we still produce today!"
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Since Youtube does not approve of this particular video, I thought I'd re-share it:
https://vimeo.com/76704511
This is a winner..Thanks Micro
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Wow, I've seen parts of this video before, but not the whole thing. Some really close call WOs and great "clara" calls too! Enjoy 8)
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1918385126519
GOONIE
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great video - did I hear one aircraft go sit with the tanker until the weather cleared?
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You did, probably a new guy (Nugget) and they are waiting for the boat to find a clear area, which according to most Naval Aviators the boat drivers seem to do the opposite and find the wx! I never remember a time this bad in helo land (plenty of dark nights), but we would scout out for the boat for clear areas.
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Goonie, that video is gnarly!!! Victory, I too have never seen anything that bad before. In that kind of downpour I'm surprised the Boss didn't tell "99" to go look at the tanker. That kind of rain is indicative of a microburst, which can be a bit less than conducive to landing, especially on the boat. Also, just my opinion, but I'm guessing the guy who said "screw this" was more senior than junior. In my experience nuggets tend to feel pressured into pressing a bad situation while the senior guys know when to say when. But who knows? ;)
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'micro' I think we see heavy rain rather than a microburst. Google 'Microburst Explanation' or similar to discover what a microburst is - which would prevent any air ops.
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Spaz,
Thank you once again for your suggestions. I did do a search on Google for "microburst" and found the results fascinating. I also, just for fun, searched the FAA "airmen inquiry" website for my name. I've attached screenshots of the results. As always, your input is valued, but I'm more inclined to trust my 9,800 hours of flight time. Thanks and Happy Holidays.
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I agree the guy who decides to wait out the weather sounds more senior, he also takes his wingman, I presume more junior. The call for the wait happens after the wave off and nasty bolter. Not sure if that is them who called or if they got the heads up on company channel.
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Interesting 'micro' I'll take your word for your experience. However we both can admit we do not know enough about the actual conditions of the environment we see in that PLAT video. I'll believe my own experience (now long ago) of 1,600 hours of RAN FAA single engine jet flying including a centurion DL cruise aboard HMAS Melbourne with some night DLs thrown in. My suggestion would be that any 'microburst' would prevent any deck ops - if not catastrophic effects on any aircraft in such a microburst. My online PDFs/Videos explain a lot about the environment aboard HMAS Melbourne for the A4G and other fixed wing RAN FAA aircraft.
Main Websites are SkyDrive and GoogleDrive respectively:
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=cbcd63d6340707e6&sa=822839791
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https://drive.google.com/?authuser=0#folders/0BwBlvCQ7o4F_aDhIQ0szeVJFY0U
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/bengello/videos
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Spaz, no need to become hostile or "take my word". That is why I provided screenshots. If you would care to provide screenshots of your ratings I would love to see them. Don't worry, I remember way back when I only had 1600 hours. In any case, go back to my original post and see that I said I was "surprised" the Boss did not suspend the recovery, and that the weather was "indicative" of a microburst, not that there was one.
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You can argue about my choice of words to regard them as 'hostile' all you wish. That is on you. I am providing information. You choose not go look for yourself.
If you did you would see a lot of things about me on SkyDrive for example:
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=cbcd63d6340707e6&sa=822839791#cid=CBCD63D6340707E6&id=CBCD63D6340707E6%21116
In the folder: "Documents & Videos Various" there is a PDF file:
myRANraafLogBooks.pdf (51Mb)
If you regard your flying as equivalent to my Royal Australian Navy Fleet Air Arm hours then I just weep. But you may regard that as being 'hostile'.
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Some old videos from around my time in the RAN FAA (not including the other air arms shown):
videos
I'm flying the Vampire then the Macchi - in formation - in this incredibly short clip (photo taken by passenger in right seat from my Vampire)
Nowra Air Day 1969 Mixed + Form Macchi 1974
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New today: USMC 1965 A-4 Pilot Training FCLP-CQ
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hope you all guys enjoy this !!!!!!!!!! :) :) BLUE ANGELS!!!! very nice video and music too
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and here another one from meiringen ab, switzerland.......axalp livefire event in october......
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=540625086029613
sorry for the fb link, but i don't find this anywhere else..........
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With more pics of the legacy Bug WIP model being posted included a "Delta", VMFA(AW)-242 cruise vid:
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do you like typhoon ?????? enjoy this vid
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Pretty cool JO video snippet from VFA37, shows some carrier landings and HUD footage for night and CASE 3 (includes LSO audio).
Enjoy! 8)
GOONIE
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Goonie,
The video is blocked for me.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
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MT, are you trying to view the video on a smart phone? For some reason that is blocked. Please try to view on your PC, or let me know how to unblock viewing on a smart phone device.
GOONIE
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Copy that Goonie.
Will check on a computer also.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
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Checked out the video on my computer. And it works.
Nice video Goonie.
Funny, that it won't work on my mobile.
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Within a few years JPALS will allow very accurate automatic landings in all conditions (up to a limit I guess), especially when fitted to Super Hornet and F-35C and aircraft of that era (UCLASS for example) so that the LSO will have not a lot to do except signal WAVE OFF as required. :-)
VIEW of the HUD near Touch Down is not so clear from the Screenshot - indicates a good approach however.
NAVAIR Flight Ready: Joint Precision Approach and Landing System 29 Jan 2014 NAVAIRSYSCOM
"Engineers at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., discuss the successful evolution of the Joint Precision Approach and Landing System (JPALS). Learn more about this innovative technology from inception to the first shipboard landing on USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)."
"TRANSCRIPT: Capt. Darrell Lack/Program Manager, PMA-213, NAVAIR Air Traffic Management Systems Program Office; Shawn Faubion/Deputy Program Manager for Landing Systems, PMA-213; Paul Sousa/Assistant Manager for Test & Evaluation, JPALS; Dave Crawford/ Lead Test Engineer, JPALS
Faubion: JPALS is a precision approach and landing system based on GPS technology. Instead of the historically radar and beacon based landing systems which the navy and marine corps are currently using. It is intended to bring a capability and flexibility that those legacy landing systems don’t offer and also an interoperability that could be used across, eventually, ship, shore, manned, unmanned, fixed and rotary wing aircraft.
Lack: JPALS in the future is primarily going to be in the F-35 B and C models for the Navy and Marine Corps and also the UCLAS Unmanned air systems. It utilizes the existing GPS constellation it brings those signals in, does mathematical computations between two assets, and aircraft and then a ship, and it calculates a touch-down point onto an aircraft carrier deck.
Crawford: There was a lot of preparation to get ready for what was our very successful period on the boat. A lot of that started back in the September, October time frame here at Pax River. We did conduct a large number of F/A-18 flights here shore based and built our way down from elevated touch downs to ultimately touchdowns to the deck here and all of that was in preparation to say we were ready to go do work on the boat.
Faubion: Patuxent River with its lab facilities allows us to demonstrate that JPALS can be integrated onto the ship in a very controlled fashion and we can demonstrate that without the risk, uncertainty and cost of actually being on the ship at the time.
Sousa: The latest at-sea testing was conducted aboard Theodore Roosevelt, CVN-71. We had two F-18 jets out there instrumented for JPALS, with the JPALS airborne system installed as well as the ship board system installed on the ship.
Lack: We had over 50 precision approaches and landings, the performance that we saw it was landing precisely where we were asking it to land, where it had been programmed to land and the pilot reports that came back it was very gentle, it was a gentle landing. It acted just like, if you will, just like the legacy systems; over all it was a very good success.
Fabuion: We’ve proven out that the ship system can provide the ability to land an air vehicle hands-off. We are going to be making some improvements over the next year or two to the JPALS ship system and to the software that’s going to be running in the air system so that it will have that degree of safety without a pilot in the loop.
Crawford: We had something that was good for us in this and that we kept it simple, we tried to use things we had done in the past to decide that we could work towards it at the ship and I think that helped us.
Sousa: It was a very pleasant experience to see, not only the system work the way it did, but the whole team, the JPALS, the program office, the test team, engineering, everybody working together along with the contractor; I think it was a very good evolution at sea. >>>out<<<"
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This 'without a pilot in the loop' means that the LSO would actually grade not a pilot but a software developer, i.e. a programmer... ;D
Spaz, congrats on the 1000th post here at the FSDT forums!
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finnish hornet take off from a road
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"Join Steve Naylor, an aerospace engineer at Patuxent River, Md., as he shows you how the manned flight simulator increases flight test efficiency."
I think the simulator seen at the end is called a TOFT? anyway it is all about the simulator for the F-18 at NAS Patuxent River.
The Flight Crew - Manned Flight Simulator
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.VideoPlay&key=C3C6BEE7-AE8C-4192-A5D8-4C5B888E5FA9
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Hawks dogfight.
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No DLs seen in this preview - sadly.
VFA-27's "Shoot 'Em If You Got 'Em" Cruise Video Teaser Published on Apr 18, 2014
“The Royal Maces present the teaser to our full-length 2013-2014 cruise video: "Shoot 'Em If You Got 'Em" - which is packed with more than 27 minutes of high-flying and fast-action. It will be made available at the NAF Atsugi Spring Festival, May 3rd, and also via the VFA-27 Public Affairs Office at vfa27pao@gmail.com. Enjoy!”
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a documentary about carriers.......
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Harrier with gear up landing
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Cheers Goonie, :)
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BZ to pilot/LSO and the chaps who thunk up the stool. Think how much easier a no nosewheel landing will be in an F-35B with the pilot able to see through the floor via HMDS?
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Is there a story attached? In the helo world we have a plan that has been used to recover a stuck sonar dome with mattresses. Almost used the idea again when we popped a main mount tire doing 1 wheel landings on a destroyed tank on the range (CO was on the controls), concern was on shutdown how low our blades would go as we listed to one side, no issues in the end.
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'Goonie' the original video has been removed - meanwhile here it is again...
AV-8B no gear landing on USS Bataan
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'Victory103' the USMC are notorious for some years ago (ordered by a Col.) for making a Trainer AV-8B land on a pile of mattresses which it had no wheels. The results were not good. Years before the RN FAA had landed a SHAR onboard in some kind of wheel less condition without troubles (variable) whilst an unintentional wheelsup SHAR landing was done at an air display years ago - I believe the aircraft was fixed - it suffered minimal damage as I recall.
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Here is the USMC MATTRESS incident. I guess this is the reason for the STOOL invention.
From an e-mail:
"Ya just gotta weep: This is what happens when your superiors don't understand the rules. What to do when your landing gear won't come down explanation below. To quote the guy who showed the pics:
"Basically, the nose gear wouldn't come done. The Harrier has a backup system with a nitrogen bottle to blow the gear down in this event. Well, someone significantly outranking the pilot ordered him not to blow the gear down (which is the specified emergency procedure) because by his 'superior' reasoning, if the nose gear didn't come down, he was afraid the jet would break its back by having all that weight on the long nose of the T-bird. With that, he elected to gather mattresses and strap them down to support the extended nose, and you have the obvious result.
'Normally' a Harrier that can't get it's gear to come down will suck up the gear and do a vertical landing on the strakes/gun pack, they'll jack the bird up, fix the gear, and it's back to flying rather quickly. In this case, the motor was hilariously trashed with mattress springs protruding out and everything. This has since become a legendary event in the Harrier community (rather small community) and is laughed about often. The best part was, when they jacked the plane up in the hangar and pulled the gear handle to blow them down, all 4 came down and locked in place."
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Marine pilot uses stool to land safely after malfunction 28 June 2014 Kate Wiltrout, The Virginian-Pilot
http://hrana.org/news/2014/06/marine-pilot-uses-stool-to-land-safely-after-malfunction/
"...The landing signal officer talked him in, making sure the Harrier was properly aligned before clearing him to land.
He idled the engine. The working landing gear hit the deck. He felt the nose drop.
“It dropped more than I expected,” he said. “But at that point, I was along for the ride.”
Mahoney had landed squarely on the middle of the stool. The nose bounced once and came to rest.
Adrenaline rushing, hands quivering, it took him a moment to remember how to shut off the jet.
“It was a pretty big relief,” he said in the video. “I didn’t realize how much I was shaking until I got out of the aircraft....”"
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SRVL Demo Sim CVF An Easy Runny Way to Deck Land WITHOUT Arresting.... ;D
Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing is the 'other' way perhaps that the UK F-35Bs will get onboard with a Vertical Landing (much easier) being the preferred option - except when SRVL required to bring back a heavy weapon load that will disallow a VL. Anyway this is the first time I have seen/heard the 'stopping distance' being about 200 feet from 40 knot groundspeed. Graphic below is a screengrab of the CVF LSO console.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/CVFlsoDisplayForum.gif~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/CVFlsoDisplayForum.gif.html)
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Marine pilot uses stool to land safely after malfunction
Nice one Spaz did u found the video?
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It's making the rounds on both aviation and non-av sites:
http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/26/no-nosewheel-landing-av8/
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my bad for asking
Thanks for the link
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Same video on Youtube found earlier and on previous page.
'Goonie' the original video has been removed - meanwhile here it is again...
AV-8B no gear landing on USS Bataan
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Anyone seen this:
F35 VTOL loop
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BATAAN is a good ship! Got to spend a week underway with her. Nothing but respect. GO GATOR NAVY!!!
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No video here, but this seems like the most relevant place to post without starting a new thread.
I am a Navy Super Hornet Pilot, ask me almost anything! (https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2cz4rn/iama_navy_super_hornet_pilot_amaa/)
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Look how much the ShtHotBreak Guy is looking out to do the break, base & approach in this video:
From the POST where the link to the VIDEO is from there is a great description of carrier landing by this former F-18C pilot. Scroll down to 'TIM HIBBETTS':
http://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-land-on-an-aircraft-carrier
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1:19 - wing level out of turn
1:34 - touchdown
Just 15 seconds in groove. Perfect!
And here's another video with quite rare view of the stick and throttles in action (5:53 to 6:00)
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Nice find 'PADDLES'. Here is an edited version with just the control movements - slowed down to one quarter of the original FAST video speed to better show I hope more realistic 'real' time movements - but I can only guess. Anyway...
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Very cool find Paddles and Spaz. 8)
In the video you can really see the pilot "walking the throttles" with small movement on the individual motors, moving the left throttle then the right up and back to make power corrections. I was trying to see how and if the pilot was responding to the burble, hard to tell.
Orion, nice AMA on reddit. Lot of top gun references ::). My buddy flies hornets, and it is always a AMA when we get together for a beer.
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On The Deck With The Hercules Uploaded on Aug 12, 2014
"In 1963, a US Navy aircrew made twenty-one full-stop landings aboard the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal—in a four-engine KC-130F tanker that didn’t have a tailhook. This video documents one the most unusual test programs ever flown in a Hercules. The video, taken from film, also includes footage of Marine Corps KC-130Fs refueling and Navy LC-130Fs Ski-Hercs in action."
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WHO Introduces VX-23 HOOK14
This squadron does the fixed wing carrier suitability trials with obvious stress testing of the aircraft in all kinds of odd landing situations to try to mimic on land what may happen out at sea:
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Shake Rattle & Roll VX-23 Hook14
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Sweet vids Spaz! Those VX guys sound like they get to have tons of fun screwing around in the name of "carrier suitability" ;D It's definitely a job I wouldn't mind having!
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Magic Carpet for F/A-18EnF&G EMALS AAG X-47B Hook14
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Carrier Suitability F-35C SR&R Hook14
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Very cool Spaz! Keep 'em coming!
Now I want to test out the Magic Carpet ride HUD :o
Spaz, what did you think of the comment at 3:38, "If you fly the Superhornet, and you tell me that you don't already deck spot with the velocity vector... your lying"
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I think 'Sludge' via a serving Hornet pilot outlined that 'crotch' method of landing some years back now. I have no idea about it otherwise as I was strictly basic 'meatball, line up and AoA Optimum' with a mirror now a long time ago. So I do not use the HUD at all. But I have seen other comments by HUD pilots about it and how accurate modern HUDs are these days. Things change I guess. Deck spotting otherwise - in that real sense - is NEVER an option however.
The new tech including 'Magic Carpet' and later perhaps the 'Bedford Array' will allow different style carrier landings for sure. They will be more accurate most likely and also allow perhaps ops in more difficult conditions - especially the 'Bedford Array' AFAIK. It may be used concurrently with IFLOLS for those aircraft equipped to use potential 'Bedford Array' such as the Super Hornet and F-35C. This is where 'Magic Carpet' and 'Bedford Array' with the Super will be most useful (also the F-35C which will be using IDLC - their version of 'magic carpet' already under test).
I really appreciated the explanation about "Magic Carpet" because otherwise it was difficult to grasp how it worked but I think I could explain it to someone else now.
Also I have never flown an 'auto throttle' approach. Our A4Gs did not have that function (I think it was installed with A-4Es and above). So that is a bit of a mystery also. Anyway it just goes to show the tremendous innovation underway in Naval Aviation these days - not only with the F-35C but the Super Hornets.
The F-35B on CVFs will be using the 'Bedford Array' for their SRVL approaches along with the necessary SRVV Ship Referenced Velocity Vector (which will be in the Super Hornet and F-35Cs if required for Bedford Array use or otherwise). This will be like 'deck spotting' also however the pilot is legitimately putting the SRVV on the spot on the deck indicated otherwise and the aircraft will go there. The CVF may be rocking and rolling and heaving so that means the touchdown spot will move so that the SRVV has to be moved to it and that is not deck spotting. Deck spotting - just by eyeball alone - gets people killed.
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Very cool Spaz! Keep 'em coming!......................
Ditto......
Thanks Spaz..loved both the videos.
....................."If you fly the Superhornet, and you tell me that you don't already deck spot with the velocity vector... your lying"
..........and.....
..............Deck spotting - just by eyeball alone - gets people killed.
Damn. I should have been (virtually) dead a long time ago, :)
Had never thought about it, but in the groove I always had a four point check (instead of the 3 point check),
1. Meatball,
2. Lineup,
3. AoA, and
4. V/V (on Cat 2 and slide towards and ahead of Cat 3 as one comes closer).
The point 4 above, was not a conscious check point, but I just realized, I am always doing it (virtually speaking of course).
Love this hobby. Not a day, when one doesn't learn something new.
Thanks folks.
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As I understand using the HUD on the 'crotch' the pilot will transition to the meatball by the half to one quarter mile so that last part of the approach is via the meatball/IFLOLS. So I guess it is like a daytime instrument approach. There is a classic story about a nugget using the 'needles' for the final part of his night approach which ends up in a rampstrike and he ejects to tell us about it thankfully. The needles are not a substitute for the meatball in close from one quarter mile.
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I think what you are implying are the "needles".
I understand that needles are inaccurate in close and that for all CV approaches, we need to transition to flying the ball from three quarters of a mile inbound.
in my earlier post, I was talking about the bad habit of deck spotting with the HUD velocity vector.
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n my earlier post, I was talking about the bad habit of deck spotting with the HUD velocity vector.
That is also what the VX-23 pilot was referring to, using the VV to "deck spot" subconsciously during the final phase of trapping :-[
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Yeah, just what I was saying ;)
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Well, if it helps I understand your respective points.
The SRVV is something different again because it is 'ship referenced' and thereby accurate. With the Bedford Array and SRVV technology the aircraft and ship are communicating also.
Deck Spotting in the olde worlde was possible and some pilots did it on big USN carriers to some extent (I have read) with LSOs chiding them, or eventually getting rid of them; OR they got rid of themselves etc.
My sea story is that a very senior A4G pilot ex-Sea Venom pilot (used to operate without an LSO onboard HMAS Melbourne) one day parked his A4G via an approach with the mirror still covered (in error). I am guessing the LSO did not look back to check and neither did the MCO (Mirror Control Officer) so I'm not certain of all details, however the story is told by the MCO of that time and I believe him. The A4G pilot called the ball and did a reasonable approach, then it was discovered - no mirror/meatball. The LSO went ballistic! :-)
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Here is another HOOK 2014 explanation from the OPNAV N-98 video. This is for the Super Hornet only and there are differences (TWO) with the CARPET for how things are done. I'll guess when testing is finished there will be good explanations about it all.
Magic Carpet DLC Super Hornet Explanation Hook 14
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Just a bit of a recent blurb about SRVL and the SRVV etc.
Stepping-Stones Tony Osborne AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY / SEPTEMBER 8, 2014
"...Test pilots have completed much of the trials work required for the shipboard rolling vertical landing (SRVL), a technique developed for the U.K. to allow the F-35 to land on the ship without having to offload fuel or expensive ordnance beforehand, particularly in warmer regions of the world such as the Middle East.
Trials of creeping vertical landings onto runways at speeds of 10-150 kt. have proven the viability of the SRVL technique, according to BAE Systems test pilot Pete "Wizzer" Wilson. However, the technique now needs to be put to the test on the ship, which is likely to occur on the U.S. East Coast at the end of 2018.
Approach speeds to the ship will probably be 50-60 kt., taking into account the ship's speed and aircraft overtake velocity.
After touchdown, the pilot simply applies the brakes [likely stops within 200 feet according to video below]. Once stopped, the fighter can be maneuvered to its parking position, allowing aircraft behind to land in quick succession.
According to Wilson, the U.S. Marine Corps has expressed interest in the SRVL capability, which would enable operation of F-35Bs from a U.S. Navy carrier without an arrestor hook. "One of the reasons Harriers have never been on board is because of that need to do a vertical landing, which slows the pace of carrier operations," says Wilson. "SRVL could be one way of cross-decking with the F-35B."
The Royal Navy and Royal Air Force expect to do a 50:50 mix of SRVL and standard vertical landings, but managers close to the program anticipate an increased number of SRVLs because they help to reduce the load on engines and thereby increase engine service life.
Deck landings can be performed at up to sea state 6—with waves 4-6 meters (13-20 ft.) in height with assistance from the Bedford Array developed by U.K.'s Qinetiq. The system uses a series of flashing lights located on the centerline of the ship at the landing point. The pilot's helmet-mounted display has a ship-reference velocity vector; by maneuvering the aircraft with vector lined up on the Bedford Array lights, the pilot can make a 6-deg. glideslope approach and landing [starting from 200 feet - approaching that descent point level, slowing down, if need be]...."
AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY / SEPTEMBER 8, 2014
SRVL F-35B Demo CVF Sim + extras
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/BedfordArrayIFLOLSViewLSOaugust2011.gif)
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When MAGIC CARPET comes online, what is the pilot going to call at 3/4 of a mile? ???
Pilot:"110, Rhino MAGIC, 6.8"
LSO:"Roger MAGIC!"
that is sad :'(
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Spaz,
Not sure how to edit/clip the tail hook videos, but for those of you interested, here is the PLAT cam footage of the F/A-18E crash behind the boat as part of the safety center brief.
http://new.livestream.com/wab/tailhook/videos/61339809
starts at 29:39, scary stuff :o
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I use a screen capture program. I was not sure what was happening in that PLAT/ILARTS clip. Does the aircraft impact the water not far from the ramp? Do you know when that happened?
BTW JPALS will make precise auto landings possible after it is installed and incrementally upgraded. This technology (ship relative GPS) enabled the X-47B to so accurately deck land each and every time. Otherwise the pilot with Magic Carpet still has to move the stick backwards and forwards and side to side as required.
This is how cool it will be when all the bits of the puzzle are in place in a few years:
X-47B Program Update Published on Aug 6, 2013
"The X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System (UCAS) program demonstrated an acute level of precision and repeatability during at-sea trials this spring/summer. On May 21 2013, the nose gear of the X-47B landed on the same relative spot on the deck of the USS George H.W. Bush seven times consecutively. The success of this at-sea trial, and the proceeding shore-based arrestments were key milestones that led to the X-47B UCAS first-ever carrier arrestment on 10 July."
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Spaz,
This is a video of the latest F/A-18E crash behind the boat off the west coast during a CQ event in June 2014 (very recent). The jet went down In Close, and the pilot ejected safely. The jet went down so close to the ramp, folks thought it hit the back of the boat. It did not. I have the gouge on what happened, will send via PM.
If you listen to the audio and see the "attitude" of the jet you can probably guess what happened.
Can you screen capture the PLAT section and post?
GOONIE
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OK thanks for info I'll have a go at capturing that part. Otherwise the safety brief is very informative indeed. I'm trialling a stupid screen capture program called SnagIt. It works and then it doesn't so anyway I'll have to 'edit' the capture - in meantime here is a screenshot of the successful ejection close to the ramp. Aircraft hits the water very nearby.
OK - I see 'Goonie' has explained the situation above. We can see how the aircraft goes high initially with power coming off to descend and then it all turns to doodoo.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/Hook14PLATILARTSNightEjectApproachFORUM.gif~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/Hook14PLATILARTSNightEjectApproachFORUM.gif.html)
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This looks like the story given the date on the PLAT/ILARTS is 04 Jun 2014
HSC-15 Search and Rescue Team Saves a Life Story Number: NNS140607-04 Release Date: 6/7/2014
By Mass Communication Specialist Seaman (SW) Matthew A. Carlyle
"PACIFIC OCEAN (NNS) -- USS CARL VINSON, At sea (June 5, 2014) -- The Red Lions of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 15 performed a search and rescue (SAR) mission after an F/A-18E Super Hornet made an emergency crash landing in the ocean June 4.
The USS Carl Vinson SAR team recovered the pilot after he ejected from the aircraft prior to the aircraft impacting the water. The team was in the helicopter providing routine over-watch during night flight operations when they got the call that there was a man in the water. A call they are well trained to respond to but hoped would never come.
That's when Naval Aircrewman (Helicopter) 3rd Class (AW) Aaron Perez, the rescue swimmer who executed the rescue, knew his first rescue mission had arrived.
"As soon as I started getting dressed out, I got really nervous," said Perez, a 25-year-old native of Corpus Christi, Texas. "I didn't want to mess anything up; this is what you train for. We have people who have been in 20 years and never had a rescue so I thought to myself, 'This is it.'"
With the helicopter positioned over the pilot, Perez was lowered in full SAR swimmer gear and quickly began using the training he learned at SAR school in Pensacola, Florida.
"Once I got in the water, it all came back to me," Perez said. "First, I talked to the pilot to let him know what the plan was and that we were going to get him out of there as soon as possible. Then I pulled him out of his raft, disentangled him, and signaled for the rescue litter. The rescue litter came down and I got him all strapped in. I hooked him up and gave the thumbs up to my crew chief so he knew to pull him out of the water."
After Perez was recovered from the water, he talked with the F/A-18 pilot as the helicopter made its way back to Carl Vinson.
"I just kept talking to the pilot, asking him how he was doing," Perez said. "He said he was fine, just cold. By the time we got a blanket on him, we were already touching down on the carrier. Then corpsmen rushed in to grab him."
Perez admitted that he was impressed by how composed the pilot was in spite of the dangerous circumstances and attributed the mission's success to how well both parties employed the training they had received for these emergency situations.
"When I got to him in the water, he was just lying in his raft, with his hands on his flotation, just waiting," Perez recalled. "He was very calm and cooperative. It made it really easy. Our training helped us out a lot because we both knew exactly what to do and how to help each other."
That's why the Navy motto "train like you fight" never rang more true than that night, when a potential disaster was calmly contained through prompt and skillful execution.
"It felt huge because we train a lot, for a lot of different things, that some people don't ever get to do," Perez said. "It really felt good to get to use it to help that pilot."
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=81517
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Nice, my old squadron got the rescue.
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F/A18-E 15 second groove from wings level approach USS Bush Sep 2014:
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Typhoon doing the Mach loop.
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Here is the full video (unedited sorry) that I took during my trip to the JFK for a CQ event in 2002. If you want to see the air boss footage go to minute 21:00. You will see me acting like a dork since I was pretty excited being on the carrier. There is lots of deck footage shot from vultures row, which the radar energy kept interfering with the film, and from PRI-FLY. Also, you will see some PLAT footage from CATCC and in my stateroom. The jets were landing just above my head, so I got no sleep that night. Didn't realize how lucky I was to have live PLAT cam feed in my room. Some of the footage is pretty scary, see 28:25.
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Many thanks for the video.
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Nice vid, good memories although only did a det on the JFK not a full cruise. We were always right below the flight deck in our berthing, either on the bow between Cats 1&2 or underneath the LA, next to the A-gear. I'm a light sleeper now, not sure how I ever did that during 6 month cruises!
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Found this:
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Just an image:
(http://i.imgur.com/6AaVRA9l.jpg)
From here: https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/2j6sve/i_took_the_a_few_years_ago_on_my_first_deployment/
Makes me think of the multiplayer carrier ops sessions after dark when we'd have all our nav lights on. :)
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cool pic. looks like he got a little slow 'In the Wires', must have been trying to grab that three wire....
Those MP sessions were fun! ;D
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It didn't really occur to me that the center light trail was the AoA indexer until after reading your post. It's been too long. :P
Want to go flying in multiplayer again sometime? Looks like there are a few of us still around.
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Different people see different things perhaps? I thought that red trail with the double flashes down the centre was the anti collision light (flashing) but otherwise dimly visible? Is it possible to see the AoA Indexer lights on the nosewheel from that 'goofers/vultures row' position?
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Oh, perhaps not. I just thought so because Brennan said he got slow in the wires, and made the connection between the AoA indexer colors and the AoA light on the nose gear assembly. With a long exposure, the light would streak as such, and it is amber all the way down to the wires, where it turns green.
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I could have done this earlier but was just going on what I perceived from my screen looking at the image as shown (not zooming in). Anyway with this 'false colour' image to highlight the actual continuous tracks of the lights (rather than original image where the tracks fade in and out perhaps) it is clear what is what in the original image (whatever it is). :-) Perception is a funny thing huh. Thank goodness for LSOs! :-) I probably need to eat more carrots. I forgot to save the 'original' before modifying the colours/enabling them to be seen better so the lower 'original' image is approximately cropped to the same size as the modified one above:
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/NightApproachFalseColours.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/NightApproachFalseColours.jpg.html)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/NightApproachFalseColoursORIGINAL.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/NightApproachFalseColoursORIGINAL.jpg.html)
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I am pretty sure it is the AoA indexer on the nose gear. I have picture I took from vultures row, and you could clearly see the AoA indexer when the jet was in the landing attitude (see attached pic). With a long exposure you would get the affect in the picture Orion posted. I've seen similar pics of night approaches with AoA shown and discussed. That is were I got the idea for vLSO that I suggested to Serge.
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OK thanks. Great pic. I have not been on a CVN to know about this so good to know.
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Hornet Ball 2014 video by Wingnut is up, and it is SICK!
Enjoy!
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Nice, loved minute 9:47, that jet popping out of the goo and the look on people's faces on the LSO platform says it all.
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Ever wonder what a Hornet looks like without engines?
(http://i.imgur.com/QmtfdAj.jpg)
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Agree - what a great series of landings at the end of the WingNut video. ;D
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Good video shows the landing intervals with aircraft coming into the break & 'in groove times' etc.
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Good CLARA ball call on that one!
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New Prepar3D v2 Software for Exciting, Immersive Learning [which is v 2.3 as I understand?]
"Published on Oct 27, 2014 LockheedMartinVideos
Lockheed Martin unveiled the newest version of Prepar3D® simulation software, with exciting new rendering, virtual instruction, scenario generation features as well as virtual F-35 and F-22 aircraft...."
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First F-35C arrests (two aircraft) USS Nimitz 03 Nov 2014.
This first video is great because it shows a head on approach view:
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Cool Spaz, thanks for sharing.
I would like to see the LSO's grades for those first landings ;D
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A sharp eyed 'cross deck pedant' at pPrune mentioned that on that first ever arrest that no.2 wire was touched (probably by main wheels). So what. :-) However just for the heck of it two SLO MO videos were made and they are here: First is one eighth slow motion while the second is slow moed again by one eighth.
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An excellent compilation video with other views not seen before is here:
http://www.livescience.com/48597-joint-strike-fighter-makes-first-carrier-landing-unclassified-video.html
Whilst a fourth USN video (helo view) is here:
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Catapults have been carried out today (04 Nov) and here are a couple of extra approaches from them (complete video with cats follows):
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Nice pitching deck recovery after the cat shots, you can see the deck moving around 3:09. Too bad they don't include the LSO and CATCC audio with these videos. :'(
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Just two side view from helo views of F-35C approaches with a closeup of No.3 wire being taken.
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Aircraft Carrier Take Off / Landing in 2 Minutes (T-45)
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Nice video!
Notice at 2:10 the plane sinks and then at 2:12 goes up and back to glidepath. That's the burble, definitely...
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Many thanks. Great video for sure. I'll make an edit of the 'cross the wake to the end'.
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Learn something new every day (or perhaps this is an exception?). I was always under impression that Hornet pilots had hand on throttle for catapulting with other hand on the canopy grip. Maybe it is a VX-23 thing or perhaps optional? Whatever.... Pilot is going to fly the BOING! X-32 later.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/HornetVX-23catapultTwoHandsForumX2.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/HornetVX-23catapultTwoHandsForumX2.jpg.html)
F-18 Hornet Carrier Approach Explained + Catapult
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Clarification on the above video + screenshot. Looks as though the editors of the film mistakenly mirrored that catapult - view from behind pilot helmet - showing his actual left hand grasping the rail (rather than what is seen in the video). Otherwise he will have his left hand on the throttle (with friction applied).
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Looks as though the editors of the film mistakenly mirrored that catapult
I really doubt that this eposide was mirrored - just look at the AoA indexer on the HUD frame (is this the AoA indexer, isn't it?).
Overall, that video is rather a 'carrier aviation for dummies', a bunch of episodes taken from different videos and glued together, imho ;)
For example, the pilot saluting @ 0:46 wears gloves. The pilot @ 0:50 wears no gloves... Definitely two deifferent persons. And most likely none of them is Cdr Yates ;D
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Yes every film can be scrutinised frame by frame for whatever reason. Not my problem. However the frame illustrated does not show any AoA indexer. Another clue that the clip was mistakenly mirrored in the edit process. This forum would have photos of the HUD and AoA indexer probably. Here is one: (scroll down)
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3093.300
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3093.0;attach=8734;image
These are interesting web pages with some great graphics:
http://www.users.on.net/~jase_ash/styled-9/styled-6/index.html
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http://www.users.on.net/~jase_ash/styled-9/styled-12/index.html
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http://www.users.on.net/~jase_ash/styled-9/styled-15/styled-13/index.html
http://www.users.on.net/~jase_ash/styled-9/styled-15/styled-13/files/hornet_hud_view.jpg
(http://www.users.on.net/~jase_ash/styled-9/styled-15/styled-13/files/hornet_hud_view.jpg)
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X-35C & F-35C FCLP & Arrests NIMITZ Nov 2014
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Lots of recovery footage from the flight deck. The jets look like they are going really fast from this perspective
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Thanks Goonie - great to see the action on deck - beware the man with the CHAINS! ;D And now for some sprogs who would be old and bolds by now.
Buckeye T-2C FCLP & Carrier Quals New Pilots
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Spaz,
I attach your images with AoA indexer marked. As you can see, this indexer is a pretty small thing, compared to the one we have in the FSX Hornet.
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At moment I'm plagued by thunderstorm activity so I'll be brief and return when I can. On another forum I asked the question with this reply:
"There was no throttle lock or grip in the Super Hornet, you just had to brace your arm - but you most definitely had your hand on the throttle. In fact I'm not sure there was a towel rail on the port side to hold."
" In the Hornet we put our left hand behind the throttles to make sure the throttles don't inadvertantly slide back during the cat stroke."
Not definitive sadly. However I did see a photo from the side front quarter of the Hornet HUD which may account for the 'small' hudlike feature you point out. From the front on colour photo it seems to me the AoA indexer is wider than what might be seen when in shadow. I'll have a look again for this other photo.
I will say that IF the VX-23 Hornet is modified in some way for a two hands completely off controls (as seen in the F-35C catapults recently) it may be a test item for these 'special' Hornets? OR the towel rails may be on either side but only the left one used? I have never seen a Hornet in real life.
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4057.0;attach=10330;image
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a208651.pdf Hornet HUD evaluation from 1989 (2.5Mb) Only download if interested.
Never noticed the towel rail in this photo before (from a magazine story about the Classic Hornet RAAF simulator): http://www.milskil.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=CBcBwLq%2F9qQ%3D&tabid=61 (may not be available now - have not tried). So then perhaps VX-23 do their two handed thing as a test? Not enough information. :-)
So apologies - I could have looked for more information. In this photo of the RAAF Super Hornet Sim: http://defence.boeing.com.au/ViewImages.do?id=40143&Year=2008 (link not working now) we can see the 'other' towel rail on the left (a bit hidden). So I hope we can agree that the Hornet family have towel rails either side and it is quite possible for the VX-23 test pilot (if that is who we see in the video clip) is having 'both hands' on the towel rails either side?
I'm not trying to be difficult - just curious - the RAAF sims shown may have the extra because that reflects a modification in the RAAF Hornet family? These RAAF Hornets do not catapult. I know that the Classic Hornet for the RAAF was especially nobbled to be unable to be used on a carrier - don't know about the RAAF Super Hornets (perhaps NOT because when they were first mooted to be bought there was a justification that they could be sold back to the USN after replacement F-35As were purchased many years hence). Anyway I'll look for USN Hornet photos when I have a chance.
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There are definitely two towel rails on both sides. On many youtube videos I saw Hornet pilots put their left hand on the left rail when doing hard turns during BFM and other manuevering. Not sure if they're doing this during cat shots, though... ;)
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Yes. Here is another sim USN Hornet 1998: http://grogheads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/US-Navy-Simz-F-18.jpg
"U.S. Navy F/A-18A Hornet simulator circa 1998. (Photo credit www.members.tripod.com/sims_freemen)"
(http://grogheads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/US-Navy-Simz-F-18.jpg)
BIG RAAF Sim Image: http://www.defense.gov/transformation/images/photos/2005-04/Hi-Res/SimulatorFA18.jpg Cropped version below:
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewNewAllBum/SimulatorFA18crop.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewNewAllBum/SimulatorFA18crop.jpg.html)
The cockpit (not seen) is under restoration for the MIDWAY museum however here is the HUD and AoA Indexer below:
from: http://www.midwaysaircraft.org/images/IMG_4229.JPG
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewNewAllBum/F-18DhudAoAindexerFORUM.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewNewAllBum/F-18DhudAoAindexerFORUM.jpg.html)
Sometimes we can just disappear down the rabbit hole eh. ;D This chap is waiting in his C model:
"Atlantic Ocean (Oct. 15, 2005) – A Naval Aviator assigned to the "Sunliners" of Strike Fighter Squadron Eight One (VFA-81) waits patiently in the cockpit of his F/A-18C Hornet for his turn to launch during flight operations aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75). Truman is currently conducting carrier qualifications and sustainment training with embarked Carrier Air Wing Three (CVW-3) off the East Coast. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 3rd Class Kristopher Wilson"
http://www.aviationspectator.com/files/images/F-A-18-Hornet-140.jpg
(http://www.aviationspectator.com/files/images/F-A-18-Hornet-140.jpg)
Then the airshow: http://img.youtube.com/vi/Kq7dqIHsH3k/0.jpg
"RideAlong! US Navy F/A-18C Hornet East Demo Team (Helmet Cam)"
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/Kq7dqIHsH3k/0.jpg)
"...[F/A-18D] VMFA(AW)-242, Marine All-Weather Fighter Attack Squadron 242, Marine Aircraft Group 12, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing..."
http://theaviationist.com/tag/royal-australian-air-force/page/2/
http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/F_A-18-low-level.jpg
(http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/F_A-18-low-level.jpg)
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Spaz,
Cool! That's it! 8) Thanks for the detailed info and pictures!
Keep wondering your abilities to search and find information... ;-)
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As mentioned I saw last week or so the photos of the F-35C launching from USS Nimitz with three photos showing the pilots from VX-23 with BOTH hands off the controls clutching the twin towel racks. Then there was the video and my puzzlement about what I saw with the VX-23 Hornet pilot showing his left hand OFF the throttle clutching the left towel rail. You can see the quoted answers from former Hornet/Super Hornet pilots above so I left it at that. It is possible that VX-23 test pilots use different techniques for test purposes. However they have that opportunity ashore on the catapults at Lakehurst and Pax River. Anyway here are some F-35C zoomed catapult/pilot hands photos: (some poor quality because of the zoom factor) Comments from a good source suggest that this 'look no hands' technique will be standard on the F-35C. There is no direct connection between the throttle and engine - everything is controlled by computer software. Like the method in the Super Hornet - there is a variable afterburner in both the Super and the F-35C which will only allow approx. 125% at the start whilst opening up to full 150% (full A/B) off the catapult. We see that dramatically during the first catapult at night of the F-35C below: [steam around the lights near JBD is not a fire]
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/CF-03catOFF2handsZoomZoom.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/CF-03catOFF2handsZoomZoom.jpg.html)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/CF-03catapulting2handsZOOMforum.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/CF-03catapulting2handsZOOMforum.jpg.html)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/LookMaBothHandsF-35CCatNov2014NIMITZforum.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/LookMaBothHandsF-35CCatNov2014NIMITZforum.jpg.html)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/SpazSinbad/NewerAlbum/F-35CCatapultHandPositionForum.jpg~original) (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/NewerAlbum/F-35CCatapultHandPositionForum.jpg.html)
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uh-oh, looks icy :o
Blue Angel number 7 slides off runway in Maine, video here
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/local/2014/12/04/blue-angels-slip-on-runway/19884651/
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Discussion of the landing characteristics of the Hornet and Super Hornet on the /r/flying subreddit discussing the same event. (https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/2o9svj/one_blue_angels_f18_slides_of_runway_in_maine/cmlearn)
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FWIW F-35C VX-23 NIMITZ DT-I Trial Arrests Check out the bumpy slo mo final catapult - no wonder they need to HANG ON! ::) ;D
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(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r275/microbrewst/MirrorImages.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/microbrewst/media/MirrorImages.jpg.html)
I have no idea if the Strike test guys were doing something different in the Hornet for testing, but NATOPS actually calls for hands on throttles (prior to the F-35, obviously). With regard to the above images, I'm not sure if this has been settled, but....
Images "A" and "D" are mirror images of each other, more specifically, image "D" is a mirror of "A", which is the original.
1. The sunlight and shadows are exactly the same in both photos. Something that is highly unlikely to happen during a single shoot.
2. The door that covers the nose gear support brace only opens to the right of the F-18 and should not be visible in image "D".
The same thing goes for images "B" and "C" - "B" is a mirror of "C", which is the original.
3. The sunlight and shadows are again both exactly the same in each picture. More importantly, no self-respecting Naval Aviator would ever go flying without a watch. :)
4. In image "C", the item circled with a 4 is the square "LOCK/SHOOT" annunciator mounted on the right side of the canopy bow. In image "B", the annunciator is now mounted on the left side of the bow. This is incorrect, and in fact where the large cylindrical map light should be mounted instead.
5. The audio jacks that are fitted into some Hornets are mounted on top of the UFCP, and to the right of the HUD camera. In image "B" the jacks are clearly shown to be to the left of the HUD camera, which is incorrect.
6. The letters on the side of the pilot's helmet appear to be "NL", referencing the airwing's two-letter identification code. In image "B", the N and L are clearly reversed.
Also, for what it's worth, they're called "towel racks", named after what you hang a towel on.
Hope that helps.
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Heheh. Thanks 'micro' - my brain is on fire. Did you watch the video? I think it is referenced on the preceding page. I'm not sure now - why? Because my brain is on fire. ;D
As I recall the top two photos - A+B - are direct screen shots from the video causing me to think - WOT?! And thanks for clearing it all up to decipher all the bits and pieces. I may get around to enquiring to VX-23 about their two handedness - OR I may not. ::)
The effect then is that the lower image - C+D - is correct (whilst original image screenshot from video is incorrect - film editor error). Did I get that right? :-*
Stop - My Brain Hurts! ;D
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LOL, Spaz, you're not the only one. My brain required a good dose of meds after that. However, to answer your question, images "A" and "C" are the originals. In "A", you can see the "nose gear brace door" is opening to the starboard as it should. Also, if you look below the jet, you can see the white lines of the landing area, indicating this jet is launching from CAT 2.
In image "C", the give away is the square "LOCK/SHOOT" annunciator. Take a look at your other pics and you'll see that the square annunciator is on the right, and the large cylindrical map light is on the left.
Happy aspirin!
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Fair enough, micro
So, A+C are correct images, however taken at different times (and most likely with different pilots/planes/carriers). But I still have no idea why film editors decided to use mirrored in-cockpit clip...
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But I still have no idea why film editors decided to use mirrored in-cockpit clip...
You're not the first to have been misled by a "fancy" film editor, mate. I'll just say that I've been more than disappointed in the past.
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BTW, Great T-Birds vid:
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Strike Fighter Ball 2014 (https://vimeo.com/113726015)
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'Orion': Thanks for that - interesting to see a bit of TOWEL RACK holding in various situations. I'll probably make a clip for the JBD action in it (not often seen otherwise).
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Are those TOWEL RACKS heated? ;D
JBD CVN Catapult Towel Rack HORNET F/A-18
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OH NO not another Super Hornet F/A-18E catapult shot? This time in slow motion with a screenshot of the right hand on de TOWEL RACK (must be heated because that is why they were dem fingertipless gloves - am I right?) ;D
Ely Flight 14 Nov 2012 Guest Blogger ~ Captain Dave Kindley, PMA 265
"...Imagine that you’re sitting on the deck of a carrier, about 50 feet above sea level. It’s the darkest night you’ve ever seen, not even starlight to give some illumination. You’ve just signaled the shooter that you’re ready to go. Your Super Hornet is straining at the holdback fitting, 44,000 pounds of thrust visible as two bars of superheated fury roaring into the jet blast deflector behind you. You’ve got one hand on the throttle, holding it in afterburner. The other holds on to the towel rack handle on the canopy, safely keeping your hand from the stick because the jet knows a cat shot and how to rotate away from the waves.
Then the cat hits you, a mule kick to your back. You’ve already shoved your head back against the seat but you’re pressed harder as you accelerate from a standing start to 150 mph in about 1 ½ seconds. But as soon as it starts, it’s over and you’re airborne and climbing away. Your senses are reeling, and all you see ahead is blackness, no reference at all to up or down. You remind yourself to trust the glowing green symbols in your HUD and you climb away, one adventure behind you, another about to begin....”
http://www.navair.navy.mil/nawcad/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.blog_post_detail&blog_post_id=108
SLOW MOTION Catapult Super Hornet F/A-18E
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Is this for real: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1008586185831107&set=vb.146505212039213&type=2&theater
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Ex-Oz ARMY Helo Pilot Flying (and another on the ground):
http://www.wimp.com/helicopterflying/ OR
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The best introduction to NavAv I have seen - from the beginning.
Angle Of Attack - "How Naval Aviation Changed The Face Of War" [1 hour and 49 minutes] TheWhiplash007 Published on Jul 5, 2013
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always cool to see a F/A-18 Charlie go supersonic
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;D Boom Here Comes the BOOM - ready or not - these guys without ear protection look very nonchalant indeed. :o
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Also notice they had to strip everything hanging of the Bug in order for the "boom" to happen.
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A REAL Super Hornet SIM video 2mins 27secs: http://bcove.me/j37opexs
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/12/mach-2-hair-on-fire-ars-flies-the-navys-fa-18-sim-into-the-danger-zone/
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/JT3A1120.jpg
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Flight Ready: Cognitive fidelity in synthetic environment live virtual constructive
Published on Dec 9, 2014 NavAirSysCom
"Discovering the science behind the simulator; Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division, Patuxent River, Md. scientists and engineers team up with academia and the medical community to improve virtual training environments for F/A-18 fleet pilots.
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A January 2015 Naval Air Systems Command test of a Tomahawk Block IV guided by a F/A-18 into a moving ship target. Go to USNI News for the rest of the story.
http://news.usni.org/2015/02/09/video-tomahawk-strike-missile-punches-hole-moving-maritime-target
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VFA-27's "That's a Shack!" Cruise Video Teaser Published on Mar 7, 2015 MIYF27
"Once again, the Royal Maces present the teaser to this year’s full-length cruise video: “That’s a Shack!”
For more information about the upcoming 2014-2015 cruise video and our squadron, please contact us through the VFA-27 Public Affairs Office at vfa27pao@gmail.com.
Mace in your face!
www.facebook.com/VFA27
Music: Daft Punk & The Glitch Mob - Derezzed (Remixed by The Glitch Mob)"
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Super Hornet landing 600 fps - Fighter jet landing in slow motion [FCLP Landing FENTRESS only]
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F-35Bs testing on USS Wasp has been in the news lately so here are some various F-35 Training Flight Sim Hardware in this video with the best being the Full Mission Simulator FMS seen as the pilot moves into the dome (surrounded by screens inside).
F-35 Academic Training Center Luke AFB
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Fellers...
Here's a decent YouTube of Coupeville. Most of the pilots here are pretty easy to talk to, so if I get a day off sometime, I might ask one to let me into the LSO Shack so I can make a real life up-close video for myself.
Later
Sludge
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Sludge,
Glad to see you in the saddle again! ;D
And of course, some real life KNRA video would be extremely cool. Also I'm curious how close my Coupeville FCLP rendition is to the real thing...
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Paddles...
Sludge,
Glad to see you in the saddle again! ;D
And of course, some real life KNRA video would be extremely cool. Also I'm curious how close my Coupeville FCLP rendition is to the real thing...
Ya, I've been monitoring all the stuff going on here without commenting til I was situated. Believe me there were times I wanted to get into the thick of things with all the great work you and Jimi have been doing, but I had to get settled at my new place first.
Definitely. As I said, once the training schedule evens out and I get some time, I'll try to get out to Coupeville and get some pics without the jets doing their passes. Then, if I can get out there when they are "waving", I'll see what they let me video or take pics of...
Still gotta get my flight chair built, and get all my Win7 stuff migrated over to the new SSD, then I may jump into testing again and working on the Sludge v2.0
Later
Sludge
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Here's some props to Jimi and all the great work he's done.
Later
Sludge
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Thought I would share some new videos of my home built F/A-18 cockpit.
CASE III recovery:
Flight Ops
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Must see Blue Angel Fly By on Pensacola Beach, solo so close to beach shade tents go flying.
&feature=youtu.be
Rick
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That is a great video, Rick. I spent an hour watching that and several that followed it. I just love to watch them fly...
Thanks for the link!
Pat☺
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U-2 carrier ops Declassified.
&feature=youtu.be
Rick
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The first video is five mins 20 secs and has the second ARF video in it.
F-35 Pilot FMS Eglin AFB Training Full Mission Sim
F-35B/C FMS Probe Drogue Air Refuel
OTHERWISE a bunch of Videos here:
videos?view=0&sort=dd
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Only one or two landings shown however 181 were carried out during the recent CVN test - won't be in the fleet until 2018 however.
Boeing helps test software that makes carrier landings easier and safer
Published on Jul 20, 2015 BOING!
"The U.S. Navy and Boeing recently tested the technology during successful sea trials onboard the USS George H.W. Bush aircraft carrier. It’s called MAGIC CARPET, Maritime Augmented Guidance with Integrated Controls for Carrier Approach and Recovery Precision Enabling Technologies, and it helps guide pilots to the carrier deck."
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AFAIK the Dino Cattaneo F-35A is free so here is the USAF way to land it on their non-moving runways.
RAAF F-35A Luke AFB Aug 2015 Push It
“...The desired touchdown point for a VFR approach is 500 to 1,000 feet from the threshold or the glide slope interception point for a precision approach. When local procedures or unique conditions require landing beyond the normal touchdown point, adjust the touchdown point accordingly.... ...[Col.] Niemi said typical approach speeds are 150 knots and strictly by a 13-degree angle of attack all the way to the ground. “It’s a real easy plane to fly and it has good powerful [air] brakes. At 100 knots [after aero braking] it will sit down pretty good,” he said....” ALL the F-35 variants aero-brake because it saves on brake pad wear and HOT brakes especially in the desert. Second Video shows the variants aero braking.
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Yeah, dandy if you have a 10,000 foot runway out before you. Maybe not so great for a carrier, though. Maybe I'm wrong, though, I'm no test pilot.
I worked for Lockheed for 10 years, and I KNOW how they work. They took a fantastically well thought out and accomplished system (The Aerostats) and "dumbed it down" to a piece of trash. I was there as a Flight Director, and watched it happen. So they could underbid the competition. If the F-35 ever actually works as advertized I will be amazed, honestly.
But hey, I've been wrong before, often. And will be again, of that I am absolutely certain.Only thing I've not been wrong about yet :D
From what I understand, our own Mr. "Jimi" Hendricks was aboard the Wasp during at least some of the testing. I doubt highly he can discuss much, if any, of it, but he may be able to say a few words, sometime.
Thank you for the video's though!
Pat☺
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Puhleez use your carrier landing techniques for the F-35C if you have it. I cannot remember if it was available when I was using FSX Accel - no - only the F-35A was available then. The technique for landing the A variant was only known to me a few days ago - all I had until then was a vague airspeed. It is interesting to me to see the Air Force use a steady AoA for landing although they have had AoA indicators in their modern fast jet aircraft for some time (often the red/green chevrons are reversed though).
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I have the pack with all 3 models of the F-35, the B models seems to be easier to land than the A and C models, the A and C tend to drop like a rock for some reason. Going to go check them out again.
Oh I've seen a video of a Air Force guy not really wanting to discuss their F-35 as if he were not too pleased with it, Ill try to did up that video, it was on like a RED Flag type deal with Malaysia or something.
Rick
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I am posting the link to the page, some pretty interesting things on this, it has been a while since I've watched these. One of the 2 videos with the guy at the podium where he if I remember correctly is asked about the F-35 and his response is telling.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/us-air-forces-f-22s-f-15s-just-battled-one-of-their-m-1596305711
Rick
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Rick, thanks! great post. Appreciate it.
I am not the kind to say "I told you so, but...". In this case, I may make an exception, though...
Mr. Sinbad, Sir,
If I'm going to land an F-35 on a carrier, I am going to use the VTOL feature. Seems a ton easier and safer, especially given the dearth of data (my big word for today :D ) on it's landing speeds, AOA setting for a carrier approach and so on.
Me, I'm sticking to the FSDT F/A-18C, almost entirely Peter's NH model. LOVE that bird.
I'm also looking forward to Jimi and Orion's next updated plane. SHould be totally awesome (To me, anyway :D )
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VTOL feature is only on the B model, the other two are conventional landing aircraft. To me that makes the other two models over priced and I would rather have more F-22's for the Air Force the Navy would need something low observable to fill their needs.
Rick
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I'm not sure why 'AzFramer' needs to bad mouth the F-35s - this thread is about videos with a side portion of landing info. But anyway....
'PhantomTweak' you have misunderstood I think. My lack of knowledge about how the F-35A lands / pilot technique was only for that variant. Knowledge of how the F-35C lands is well enough known these days. Probably back in an old thread that knowledge is replicated. I can make a PDF that has most of the F-35C 'how to deck land' material if anyone is interested. All this stuff is online but no one seems to download / read this material so I take there is a complete lack of interest.
In a nutshell for the F-35C USN LSOs have given some approximate figures (precise numbers would be in NATOPS but who has that?).
on-speed AOA of 12.3° at 135-140 KCAS at max. landing weight of 46,000 lbs plus the aircraft has the equivalent of "Magic Carpet (for the Super Hornet)" in the form of IDLC/'delta flight path' (Itegrated Direct Lift Control). The ease of deck landing the F-35C accurately was demonstrated aboard NIMITZ late last year.
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I'm not sure why 'AzFramer' needs to bad mouth the F-35s - this thread is about videos with a side portion of landing info. But anyway....
I apologize, I think I started that. I will keep my opinions on this to myself :-\
I can make a PDF that has most of the F-35C 'how to deck land' material if anyone is interested.
That would be appreciated, on the chance I want to step up the the F-35 for carrier work. Whatever I may think of Lockheed, Dino makes some really great birds, no doubt.
plus the aircraft has the equivalent of "Magic Carpet (for the Super Hornet)" in the form of IDLC/'delta flight path' (Itegrated Direct Lift Control).
Did Dino model in those things? IDLS, and Magic Carpet? I know Iris did a form of DLC on their F-14A for FS9, but it's not very "detailed". It's essentially spoilers up or spoilers down. I am nowhere near a pilot but the NATOPS seems to indicate that the pilot can raise/lower the spoilers in small increments, or maybe it's controlled by the ADC once the pilot selects DLC ON on the stick grip, I'm not certain now that I think of it...
I still appreciate all the great info you have been stuffing into my skull lately about "How-To" as far as carrier landings go...
Pat☺
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'PhantomTweak' the 'how to deck land' PDFs have been made and have been available for a long time. Like everything though probably they need updating however the bulk of the information is there and relevant from the beginning to now. Microsoft OneDrive in particular has gone through many changes over the last couple of years and frankly I'm baffled. However I'm not a downloader - just an uploader and having control of the web page means I do not see it in the same way another user might. At the beginning one has to 'register' with Microsoft to view/download material and I believe the process is easy enough. If you are a Windows user then probably you have Microsoft logins anyway but I cannot replicate all situations. Today I went to this URL - not logged on as owner of my page - and found nothing. This is new. However when I log in and go to the same URL I see all my files/directories. This is baffling. Before today I could go there without logging on to see the files. So YMMV. It was blank when I went there now but when signed it all the files etc appear so SIGN UP etc.
This is a small PDF to start with: LSO DeckLand AUTO SuperHornet F-35C & X47B pp274 01jun2015.pdf
https://onedrive.live.com/?id=CBCD63D6340707E6%212248&cid=CBCD63D6340707E6&group=0 (24Mb)
There is a ton of basic/detailed info in the much larger PDFs here: https://onedrive.live.com/?id=CBCD63D6340707E6%212119&cid=CBCD63D6340707E6&group=0
These URLs are for subdirectories. I do not provide direct links to files because that starts the bullshit Microsoft PDF viewer which will not work. Please follow the advice given - in brief: right click on a PDF to download it first and then view it with the latest Adobe Reader suitable for your Operating System. Nothing else will do.
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PhantomTweak,
A quick note on the DLC, the Aerosoft model has it in a basic form, but it works allowing one to dump lift without changing AoA. In their version, it is either on or off, unlike the real Turkey that allows various pilot select-able angles for the spoilers.
100% with your statement about Dino's models, but he can only model what limited unclass'd info is out on the big ole inter-webs, even then he has to deal with FS limitations, so no fancy landing on the boat aids in the FS F-35.
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right click on a PDF to download it first and then view it with the latest Adobe Reader suitable for your Operating System. Nothing else will do.
I agree, and is my normal procedure. Thanks very much for hte links, I will have the PDFs on my HD very shortly!
Mr Victory,
Thanks very much for the info! I appreciate any info I can cram into my little pea-brain...
Pat☺
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FROM: http://lelandshanle.com/day-night-aircraft-carrier-landings-split-screen/
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Nice HUD video of the carrier approach from 0.7NM to trap. Check out around 4:59.
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:) Agree, was just watching that Part 1 (from 'FighterSweep' info) and was intending to make a small clip of the action..... ;D
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Cool cut of the HUD video Spaz.
What I like about the super hornet HUD videos is that you can see the energy carrot to the right of the Velocity Vector, which essentially shows you what the pilot is doing with the throttle during the pass. You can see lots of small adjustments and dealing with the burble. I noticed IC to At the Ramp, while appearing slightly high on the ball, he adds power, but it all works out well. Not sure if that is the parallax from the HUD camera, or accounts for the settle.
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Tailhook 2015 videos http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015/videos
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Some of those TAILHOOK videos are a bit long with questions at the end not audible so I have taken the liberty of editing two videos - one about MAGIC CARPET for the Super Hornet +1 extra and as we are told it is taken from the F-35C IDLC/Delta Flight Path concept - explained for the Lightning II in the F-35C test pilot brief video.
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Some of those TAILHOOK videos are a bit long with questions at the end not audible so I have taken the liberty of editing two videos - one about MAGIC CARPET for the Super Hornet +1 extra and as we are told it is taken from the F-35C IDLC/Delta Flight Path concept - explained for the Lightning II in the F-35C test pilot brief video.
Speaking of Magic Carpet, here's my story: http://whidbeydailynews.com/2015/09/magic-carpet-software-may-mean-fewer-touch-and-gos-on-whidbey-island/ (http://whidbeydailynews.com/2015/09/magic-carpet-software-may-mean-fewer-touch-and-gos-on-whidbey-island/)
Hope you were able to save more of the Tailhook videos.
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Thanks for the link 'AvgeekJoe' I'll check it out. As for the videos - all of them are available on one web page and I have only 'excerpted' those bits that interest me - usually deck landing and the new stuff - MC & F-35C. Missing from the 'Magic Carpet excerpt video' is the beginning part about the history of deck landing and how to do it. So go here for all the videos - complete:
ALL 2015 VIDEOS: http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015 | VX-23 2015 Strike Test News: http://issuu.com/nawcad_pao/docs/striketest2015_single
I have a lot of saved information about the F-35C IDLC/Delta Flight Path which was the forerunner to 'MAGIC Carpet' for the Super Hornet and that info as well. Attached is the latest VX-23 at PaxRiver PDF excerpt report about 'Magic Carpet' and JPALS etc. A lot of information about both aircraft and how they use these new deck landing techniques is on F-16.net - otherwise I could provide URLs for PDFs with this information collected - to date. Anyway go here:
This thread turns into everything about Magic Carpet and Super Hornet so title is misleading - search thread for 'Magic' (no quotes):
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=15767
This thread is more about the F-35C etc: http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=26634
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Now if "they" can manage to make that Magic Carpet system work in FSX the way it really works in the real world the world will be ecstatic! :D ;D
Pat☺
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Making the correct button/switches at the right time is all it takes and then some tweaks left / right for line up and your uncle is bob. Attached is some of the "MAGIC CARPET" info accumulated up until today. Now 33 pages of magic goodness....
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F-35C Arrival on USS Eisenhower 02 Oct 2015
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Hornet Ball 2015 Video
Published on Oct 17, 2015 Joe Stephens
"Video from the 2015 West Coast Hornet Ball. Watch in 1080p60 for best quality, and crank that bass up!"
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F-35 Lightning II CVN DT-II Wrap Up Published on Oct 23, 2015 U.S. Navy
"Two F-35C Lightning II aircraft from the F-35 Patuxent River Integrated Test Force (ITF) flexed their sea legs aboard USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) during the second F-35C developmental test (DT-II) phase October 2-10, 2015. (U.S. Navy video courtesy of Lockheed Martin | Matt Short, Dane Wiedmann, Andrew McMurtrie, and Andy Wolfe.)"
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Notice the view tracker in the upper left corner. You can pan and tilt the view 360 degrees.
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Thanks 'micro' those BLUES are always the best! ;D Upper screen shot shows that control in upper left corner when viewing the video as required via the URL on Youtube and we see the join up in progress just after take off. I have downloaded the video to show in the screen shot below how it appears with the 360 degree camera. Video best viewed online though. The lower screenshot shows a weird view when the aircraft are in echelon I think - or joining up again.
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Dis is de udda view - backseater on right: Number Four F-18 Hornet Blue Angel 360 degree Camera View
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DROOOOLLLLL!!!!!!!! ;D
Fantastic, Mr. Sinbad!
Thank you for a wonderful post!!
Wait a second! I spoke too soon. I can't open the video. Am I doing something wrong?? I got it once, but not any more... ??? ???
Pat☺
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There are two videos - which one is problematic please? You refer to me so I'll guess it is the video I posted - so I'll check.... I see no problems (for example music) with the video I posted.
IF you have problems with the first 'original' video then I would suggest changing the resolution settings - you can do that for the second (my) video also.
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I fingered it out, thank you very much for your reply :)
I have an old laptop, with Vista as an OS, and IE8 is the highest version that will work on it Guess where the problem lies...
One day, I am going to have to update my OS and IE, but not today. I just used a different comp and everything works good on that.
If I weren't so cheap...err...FRUGAL, yes Frugal is the word...I would have a lot easier life, I am sure. I spend most of my free-cash (What little there is, any more) on things my lovely wife wants, soooo...
Happy wife, happy life...
Pat☺
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A 'zoomed' view of same video with different music also.
Blue Angels Number FOUR View Hornet Formation Demonstration
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Going to the Boat for the first time.
http://player.vimeo.com/video/31549908?autoplay=1
Russ
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Start the video at 1:00 mark, doesn't look easy to tank off the iron maiden
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Pulled from another forum, but appropriate here as the home of the FSXBA Legacy WIP model, last cruise for VFA-113 in "baby" Hornets. Pretty cool tanking from 4 different platforms.
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I hope you guys consider this a "cool vid". I did it for fun and to test TrackIR for video production. Any critiques are welcome.
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nice one Micro! Did you fly both of the opposing solo flights (recorded track), or were you flying in multiplayer? Having the split camera view made me think this was for Oculus Rift ;D
Here is my take on a "virtual" cruise video for VFA-143 flying my hornet pit,
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Goonie,
Yeah, I flew both jets and did the full solo routine. I then recorded it with FRAPS and TrackIR. But, for some reason, even though I have the full version of FRAPS, it just stops at the 10:05 mark every time. Oh, and everytime I see your Hornet pit, I get mildly aroused. ;)
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On the topic of cool videos, does anyone have a link to that older video of VF-124 doing night CQ? I think it was about 7-8 min long and consisted mainly of PLAT cam footage.
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Couple good new videos from the LSO platform
NORDO in Zero Zero
PLAT CAM
Timing in the Groove LSO perspective (watch advertisement, clever)
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Cable snaps on USS Eisenhower during landing
Published on Jul 8, 2016
Eight sailors were injured aboard the USS Eisenhower when an arresting cable snapped
during an E-2C Hawkeye's landing in March 2016. Read all about the incident:
http://bit.ly/29xaUdZ [STORY]
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And yet, I still can't believe those idiot Mythbusters "tested" the claim that arresting cables can, and will, hurt or kill people when they break, for whatever reason. The morons said they wouldn't hurt anyone.
Did they stop to LOOK at some of the video's out there about that very thing happening? Nah. Did they file Freedom of Information requests, read unclassified reports, glance through Approach Magazine? Did they interview any eye-witnesses? Nah, just make some idiot assumptions, do some half- uhh...hearted, tests, and say "Nope, not dangerous at all!".
Very frustrating, especially to those who know better.
Sorry, [/rant off]
Having gone through all that, I am very glad no one was killed, and that the crew saved the aircraft. I wager there were some seat-cushions needing surgical removal!
Thanks for the post! Very enjoyable, or at least interesting.
Pat☺
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Pulled from the VRS forums since most of the legacy Hornet fans are here covering the FSXBA development, VFA-83 Cruise Vid:
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Didn't find these listed so since the E-2C Hawkeye was mentioned here are a couple good ones.
-- E-2C Hawkeye Night Carrier Landing
-- Hawkeye Trap
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EA-6B in the goo "clara!"
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CQ event, grabbing the one wire in slow mo
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I remember watching many years ago a few long PLAT cam videos of a F14 squadron undergoing carrier CQ (both day and night) at the now defunct patricks aviation website.
Just wondering if someone (SpazSinbad maybe?) still has them somewhere.
Some of the vLSO sounds are actually from those videos IIRC
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Holy moly, they did it!...
True, any landing you can walk away from is a good one ;D
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Ever wanted to see a whole CQ event, man that looks long and exhausting (pretty good channel too, so check it out for HUD tapes).
Here is a T-45 briefing channel, seems helpful
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micro,
Very interesting video! I think new vLSO should introduce new comments like PD (pitching deck) and DU/DD (deck up/down) ;)
Once detected that the deck is not steady it should stop yelling at pilots and be more tolerable. I guess, the PLANE PITCH DEGREES variable of a boat (carrier) is the one that the program should monitor?
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That would be pretty cool. Also, something that I've been meaning to mention for some time is with regard to the waveoff parameters in vLSO. Obviously, a LSO would waveoff anyone for getting low in close, and you've modeled that well. However, getting a little high in close would likely not warrant a waveoff, for fear of an in-flight engagement. A real LSO will simply allow the bolter to happen. So, my recommendation would be to modify the waveoff parameters in the next version to reflect something more like the pic below. Thoughts?
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Fair enough. Will put in-close limits a bit higher. :)
Where can I get a working copy of pitching deck software?
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Fair enough. Will put in-close limits a bit higher. :)
Where can I get a working copy of pitching deck software?
I've been wondering that myself. Any help on the Pitching Deck zipfile would be AWEsome :D
Pat☺
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I hope Orion doesn't mind me posting this. If so, I'll take it down.
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Well, I sure hope Orion doesn't mind.
Thank you, very much! I've been looking all over for that. I very much appreciate the assistance.
Take care all!
Pat☺
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I saw this video way back when in flight school, and actually based a lot of the "OK, 3" tutorial video on what I remembered of it.
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While I never saw this particular movie before, and found it most informative, may I say, I saw plenty of movies with the same narrator and music, I swear, back when I was in Millington. Same era type movies, anyway.
Thanks for posting it, both for the information it contains, and the memories of a long time ago!
Pat☺
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Stunning F-18 Display Sion Airshow 21 Sep 2017 Elwyn R
"F/A-18 Hornet Solo Display Breitlin Sion Airshow
Captain Nicolas «Vincent» Rossier is the F / A-18 pilot of the 17 aircraft flight, and became a Hornet display pilot of the Swiss Air Force during the Airshow season 2017. The Friborg already booked 1700 flight hours, of which 1400 on jets including 750 on F / A-18 Hornet."
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More pirouette than I have seen in the past with a legacy Hornet, very "Super Bug" ish. FCS software updates?
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Awesome moon for flying @ 00:35!
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Another great video. Quite long but worth watching
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Great Approach View....
F/A-18F Carrier Break Published on Oct 25, 2017 Wingnut172N
"Bringing a section of fighters back to the boat at 500' and 480 Knots."
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Nice vid, Spaz. Looks like someone forgot to lock their shoulder straps before the trap. His helmet almost ended up in the HUD!
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Heheh - looks like they were loose - I did not notice that. Funny when first viewing video it seemed to me the pilot leaned forward as if checking harness. ;D
Perhaps the screenshot does not show the full extension - I'm guessing IF LOCKED there is NO extension?
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Perhaps the screenshot does not show the full extension - I'm guessing IF LOCKED there is NO extension?
No further extension. As in, no further than they were extended when the lock was activated. If the pilot hit lock when he was leaned forward that's how far they'll stay extended. Otherwise, they act like the seatbelt in you car: If there is sufficient G-Force they'll lock after a short pay-out, then unlock when the G is gone. So, if the pilot had some slack in his shoulder harness when he traps, the G will cause the reel to lock, then unlock when the G is gone. Sometimes it takes a little tug to get a locked reel to unlock.
Some pilots I've talked to say if they need to lock the reel, they lean forward a little first, so they have the freedom to look over their shoulders, or whatever.
The big exception is ejection. When they pull the handles, one action the seat takes automatically is to retract the reel fully, and lock it in place. Makes sure the occupant is in the correct posture. Nothing the pilot can do will affect that action. Naturally, when the pilot and seat go their seperate ways, there are no more shoulder harness straps to hold the pilot to the seat.
Have fun!
Pat☺
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Thanks for the explanation Pat. What is your opinion on what you see in that video regarding the harness upon arrest?
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Thanks for the explanation Pat. What is your opinion on what you see in that video regarding the harness upon arrest?
Actually, 2 things come to mind: 1) The reel doesn't lock as fast as it should when the G from the trap hits, in which case it needs to be looked at by Seat Shop. The "never to be annoyed" Shop :D Or 2) He doesn't really go as far forward as it LOOKS like, due to the camera location, lens shape, and zoom factor. The lens is a little fish-eyed, if you look at it.
A third possibility just occurred to me as well: When he leans way forward to look over his shoulder is just when he locks the harness reel, just because his brain is at that point in his checklist, so that there's more slack than is obvious to the camera when he traps, allowing more forward motion of his upper body than should occur.
Alternatively, he took a little bump, or the deceleration of the plane + his lean caused the real to lock, and it never unlocked before he trapped. Like I say, that can happen, and all it takes to free it, generally, is a forward tug and a quick relax after. If he didn't realize it had locked on him, with his shoulder straps loose, it would do what we see. It's like if you pull your seatbelt strap to loosen it just as you go over a bump. The reel can sense the apparent G it's receiving, and lock, and if it's a little dirty, it can take a little tug/release to free it. Same with the shoulder strap reel.
Did you see him reach up to his shoulder? I suspect the reel had locked for whatever reason, with the shoulder straps a bit loose and he was trying to slide the shoulder strap back into the reel to free it. It may not have worked though, and all he did was push the slack behind him, then forgets about it. That's a pretty busy, intense time of a flight, after all. Then, if that happened, the reel would lock when the trap G hits, but the straps are already loose, and when the the gear hits it frees, then the hook grabs and it pays out a little more before it can lock, allowing him to lean way forward.
Personally, I think it's a trick of the camera lens shape/zoom factor, and he's not going as far as it appears. But that's just my opinion, for whatever it's worth. It's obvious his lap belt isn't as tight as it should be, as he has to hoist himself back and up using the glare shield after everything comes to a halt.
I learned early on, when I was first learning to fly, back when I was 14/15, that if the straps leave bruises, they're almost tight enough. My instructor would bounce me around, even go inverted for a bit and bounce me there, to see if my straps were tight enough. If my head hit the canopy, not tight enough. And if it did, he'd bang it off the canopy a few times as an object lesson. All this in a glider of all things, but he was a great instructor. Carried a yardstick to rap my skull from the back seat. Once I solo'd I used to go chase a pair of hawks on the cliffs. They enjoyed it as much as I did. But I was sure glad I had tight straps when I was doing some of the more radical maneuvers! After all, hawks are great pilots.
I think some pilots get slack about how tight their straps are. Sure, the seat takes care of the shoulder straps, usually, but the lap belt is entirely up to the pilot. If they start to leave it comfortable, not tight then things like you see in the video happen...
Have fun all!
Pat☺
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Wow. Thanks for all of that. I'll have to read and reread your detailed explanations to understand what is going on (not having used these types of straps myself). I agree with your gliding instructor. My bruises were permanent when flying RANFAA jets. Particularly the A4G and especially the Macchi MB326H. Their MB Mk.4 seat had particularly bad posture position causing a 'lean forward' which was just awful if not strapped in with 'severe bruising'. :-) I don't believe I EVER unlocked my A4G harness in flight with the seat all the way UP. :-)
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Agree with PhantomTweak on the camera perspective, also for those on the VRS forums, he (the pilot in the vid) sometimes checks in. I've got him on other social media outlets and can just ask "Dude, did you lock your harness?"
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OK thanks for that 'Victory103'. To me it is an interesting question. Not sure IF this story has been told here before.... A SHORT A4G pilot (not me and I did not know these details until fairly recently - maybe ten years ago now - long after they occurred in 1971-72) used a telephone book (perhaps not the SYDNEY directory in those years because it was very thick - perhaps the local NOWRA area phone directory) to see over the nose during approaches to HMAS Melbourne (this was not strictly legal hence the 'secrecy'). Now I know why before each sortie he would disappear from the onboard briefing room (all aircrew helos/fixed wing used the same one - it was mayhem) to go to the heads and then he would not be seen until manning aircraft etc. I guess this is when he stuffed the book into his gear etc.
Anyway twice he arrested with harness unlocked. I can only guess he did not have time to do all checks when putting the book underneath during downwind etc & 'call the ball'. His visor would hit the gunsight fairly smartly as the arrest was short around 240 feet from wheelspeed of around 100 knots. Usually the visor needed replacing whilst the gunsight was undamaged. Neptunus Lex told a story about his own experience 'kissing the CLOCK' (on top) when short field arresting in an emergency in the TA-4J. Harness NOT LOCKED! :-)
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I got 5 bucks saying he didn't lock his harness!!!
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Hey guys, I had my harness unlocked like I always do for carrier landings. The landing checklist has “Harness” on it, but our standard reply is “As you like it”, most guys leave it unlocked and rely on the inertia reels which are pretty reliable. In about 350 arrested landings I’ve only had an inertia feel fail once, and my helmet hit the UFCD. In the video I get tossed forward the normal amount before the inertia reels lock; but it’s slightly exaggerated by the GoPro lens.
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Next question: Why do some have the harness UNlocked?
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So they can maintain a good lookout all around them?
Not easy to lean forward a little to look over your shoulder when the harness is locked.
Maybe some just find reaching forward for switches and buttons around the cockpit easier with the harness unlocked? Slightly shorter arms, maybe?
If I remember correctly the seat isn't adjustable fore-and-aft, only up-and-down. The rudder pedals are adjustable, but the basic position of the seat, relative to the UFC, if nothing else, not to mention the soft-buttons on the MFD's, isn't. May make reaching for such things a lot easier to have the harness unlocked, and rely on the inertia reels to do their job.
Thanks very much, Mr. Wingnut, sir, for 1) Your service, Sir, and 2) Settling the discussion about the trap video.
Appreciate both!
As we always said: College education to break 'em, high-school education to fix em! ;D
That was back when we at I-Level actually repaired radar systems, down to replacing the components. Now, they just swap out circuit cards. A trained monkey can do that...
Humph :P
Anywho...
Pat☺
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To me it is interesting to know these details. For example the F-35C non-test pilots (OK - maybe some test pilots also) had trouble with the initial bounce of the nose gear during catapulting at light weights (usually encountered during CarQuals - not as bad when at heavy operational weight). One of the solutions was to adjust how the F-35C pilot strapped in (not sure the exact details here). Anyway one of the complaints was that IF the pilot strapped in too tight then he could not eject (totally false - just a misunderstanding I reckon) or reach the EMERGENCY JETTISON BUTTON (which clueless aviation reporters took for ejection). :-) Anyway they have made sufficient changes to the hold back release and how the pilot straps in to modify the issue to 'acceptable'.
Also during this 'initial F-35C pilot catapult bounce at light weights' the HMDS could hit the canopy OR the visor fly UP (which has the vHUD on it!).
My thinking is perhaps these initial F-35C CarQuallers from the training squadrons were NOT strapping in TIGHTLY so that they BOUNCED up and down more than they would if STRAPPED DOWN TIGHT! :-) See my post above about how I suffered permanent bruising.... And remember the F-35C pilot can ALWAYS reach the EMERG JETT button and ALWAYS eject using the only handle - the seat pan handle.
First F-35C Catapult Instant One Eighth Slow Motion
F-35C CVN-73 Fly Up Visor Catapult & 3 Wire August 2016
F-35C Afterburner Catapult Nose Gear Compression Slow Motion
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From my (very limited) experience, PhantomTweak is partially right. You want to be able to move around a bit in the cockpit. However, at least in the T-45, not locking your harness would "soften" the blow of the trap since you would be a little more flexible. If the harness was locked fully back, your literal TRAP (trapezius) muscles behind your neck bore the brunt of stopping your head. If you unlocked your harness you could lean into it, so to speak, and ease the stress on those muscles. Oddly when I went out to CQ, all of our instructors insisted we lock our harnesses so as not to "get embarrassed". Whether that was a right of passage, or the instructors having a bit of fun with us, I'll never know. But my neck sure did hurt the next few days.
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One of the solutions was to adjust how the F-35C pilot strapped in (not sure the exact details here).
I was going to say, how can "how one straps in" be a solution?? Only way I know of is tightly. The inertia reel(s) (depending on seat version, there may be one, or two) provide all the room one needs to move around the cockpit the little bit that's necessary for operation of the aircraft. The rest of the harness certainly permits enough range of motion to reach anything in the cockpit, I would think. If not, they need to see Survival Equipment for an adjustment of the harness.
Anyway one of the complaints was that IF the pilot strapped in too tight then he could not eject (totally false - just a misunderstanding I reckon) or reach the EMERGENCY JETTISON BUTTON (which clueless aviation reporters took for ejection)
Yeah, Emergency Jettison of the pilot from the aircraft, right?? No? ??? ::)
Like you say, igornant (yes, I spelled that as I intended) reporters.
...and ALWAYS eject using the only handle - the seat pan handle.
If a pilot can't reach THAT, I'd hate to think what the poor SOB had to go through if he had an itch in a certain place any male can understand. And we all have had an itch like that. Usually with our hands otherwise occupied. THAT is torture! ;D
Oddly when I went out to CQ, all of our instructors insisted we lock our harnesses so as not to "get embarrassed". Whether that was a right of passage, or the instructors having a bit of fun with us, I'll never know. But my neck sure did hurt the next few days.
The instructors may have known that the inertia reels weren't maintained as well as they should have been? Time constraints, money shortages, parts availability, etc.
Just a thought. If they knew the inertia reels sometimes didn't lock properly, or would slip, or payed out too far in the T45 before they locked up, and the student happened to be leaning forward too far, they would be embarrassed when their helmet bounced off a part of the control panel :D
Probably knocked silly, too, and at a really bad time to be not paying attention.
Just a thought...
Thanks for the videos, Sinbad!
Pat☺
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Thanks 'PT' & 'micro' - the wonders of an inertia reel. AND... another fing wot bugs me are peeps cutting the fingers off of their gloves. Perhaps modern day jet cockpits are cool and never burn, only - who knows? Why wear gloves if youse cut off the fingers. Jeepers. If'n your in the water and gloves are a problem them TAKE THEM OFF toot sweet. EasyPeasy. Otherwise wear your damn gloves. Sheesh. :-)
Just the other month a GROWLER had an ECS Environmental Control System failure at altitude making the instruments unreadable due severe cockpit icing. One crewmember was reported as having FROSTbite! Fingerless Freakin' Gloves I reckon. They recovered the aircraft and received medals which is all well and good but I worry 'bout dem fingerless gloves awearin'. https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2018/02/23/flying-blind-and-freezing-navy-investigating-terrifying-ea-18g-growler-flight/ "...both pilot and EWO suffered serious injuries due to frostbite. The aircrew suffered from “severe blistering and burns on hands,” according to the Navy internal report...."
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"...Both the pilot and the electronic warfare officer suffered severe frostbite, including blisters and burns on their hands, according to an official report Defense News obtained. It's not clear if there were any other injuries...." http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18762/freezing-navy-ea-18g-crew-in-ice-filled-cockpit-navigated-home-using-their-smart-watches
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Spaz, I, too, am one of those guys who cut off the tips of my gloves - but only the tips of my thumbs and index fingers. With all the buttons and knobs in the cockpit, the nomex fingertips were just too bulky. You'd end up mashing things or not being able to grab small items. And yes, I did wonder if I would regret doing so if things got hot at some point.
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Just the other month a GROWLER had an ECS Environmental Control System failure at altitude making the instruments unreadable due severe cockpit icing.
I've read a number of stories in the Navy's Approach Magazine regarding such failures in the Hornet. The ECS would fail COLD, and couldn't be turned off, even if they got low and dumped the cockpit to use RAM AIR system to try and warm up. On one plane, no one could duplicate except one crew. >:( At least until the CO puffed out his chest and went up to "prove" it was OK. He came back blue in the face. Would have been red, buuuut... ::) :D
Needless to say, it got fixed that night ;D
I understand WHY some pilots cut the tips of the fingers of their gloves off, I just hope like heck it's never a problem for them. I've got a couple pair of Nomex flight gloves I used for riding motorcycles, and Micro's right. A real fine adjust would be difficult. I had a heck of a time trying to get a cigarette out to have a smoke while riding. :D
Have fun!
Pat☺
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OK - I'll have to understand but complain why are not BETTER fingertip gloves available? Complain Complain Complain! :-)
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Spaz, you might get a kick out of this: Today, while in-flight, I brought up the fingertip discussion to my copilot. He got out of flying Prowlers/Growlers last year. He informed me that the new US Navy issue flying gloves actually are manufactured with the tips missing on the first three fingers. Go figure! Have a look...
https://www.amazon.com/Wiley-G312XL-Aries-Flight-Foliage/dp/B007XR9VC6
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The gloves, not to mention the rest of the flight suit, are designed, first and foremost, to protect the pilot's hands and wrists from fire. All other concerns are strictly secondary. Like fine adjustments of knobs, pressing of switches, pulling cigarettes out of the package, and so on. Cutting the fingertips, or even the fingers, of them degrades that capability. How much, I can't say.
By the way, having been electronics most of my career, I can tell you that as analog, or resistive type rheostats (adjusting knobs) age, they can get twitchy. Harder to do fine adjustments with, jumpy, and so on. At least with bare finger tips, you have a finer touch on them.
I am quite certain that if they were discovered by an officious, non-pilot type, like a QA officer, or higher up in the Safety Department, there would be words had, or probably a Safety Stand-Down.
But you do what you gotta to get the job done. The guys that cut the finger tips, or again fingers, off are betting that either they won't be involved in a fire, or if they are, they won't be injured too badly with just that little bit of their glove missing. BUT, they can do the small, little, high dexterity jobs this permits. As needed.
Just make sure they get stuffed into a pocket before you come off the flight line after the flight. Leave no evidence :D
And remember, it's always better to ask forgiveness than permission. More effective, too. ;D
Thanks very much, micro, for giving us your perspective on all this. It really is appreciated, not to mention informative.
Pat☺
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Spaz, you might get a kick out of this: Today, while in-flight, I brought up the fingertip discussion to my copilot. He got out of flying Prowlers/Growlers last year. He informed me that the new US Navy issue flying gloves actually are manufactured with the tips missing on the first three fingers. Go figure! Have a look...
https://www.amazon.com/Wiley-G312XL-Aries-Flight-Foliage/dp/B007XR9VC6
AMAZING! Wow - Thanks for that info. Must be a really twiddly knob issue for sure. Thanks all for your info / input. Yep fire is / was a real worry....
Scrolling down the page at the URL I see other examples such as NOMEX - now that is gold for fire resistance.
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Those Nomex gloves, the green, full finger, no adjustments strap, leather palm, ones. Those are the only ones I personally ever saw on Marine Pilots. They're also the ones I have a couple-3 pairs of, for riding motorcycles. I don't ride any longer, but I've still got the gloves. Those are the ones I was talking about when I said I had trouble getting cig's out. The leather palms gave me a great grip for riding, though.
Got a flight suit I was issued off-the-books when I went through SEER School down in Pensacola. Had to wear it for the pool "stuff", and the week in the swamps.
At least they let me wear my own boots. The Viet Nam style boots are a LOT easier to swim in than the issue boots back then. I did swim qual in them in boot camp, though. Seemed like it took them a week to dry after that, although I've never had a pair fit better. Nifty little trick. Soak em in hot water, wear them dry. Custom fitted boots. Did it for every pair I got since then, too.
Those were the days, weren't they? :D
Have fun all!
Pat☺
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Back in my day (late 1960s early 1970s) the RAN FAA (Fleet Air Arm) had steel capped black suede flying boots with zippers up the side (as well as permanent laces never used) for easy boot removal when in water if required. Steel caps were specifically for the Sea Venom Martin-Baker Mk.4 seat and protection from the front instrument panel. All RAN FAA aircrew wore them. Envy of all but when wet and after a bit baggy. :-)
We started out with pigskin gloves with a short wrist length. Replaced by Nomex Gloves - with no leather - and very scratchy early nomex flying suits. Soon replaced by less scratchy nomex and nomex gloves with long wrist length which was a pain when wearing a watch that needed looking at during low level nav. So then the watch was over the wristband but beware taking off gloves before removing watch. Oh dear. In my day I don't think we ever had any leather in the nomex gloves but I could be mistaken.
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We didn't have them when I was USN aircrew nor have I seen them issued as an Army aviator (full fingered are for sale at BX/PX/NEX). I do have 3 colors of the standard flight gloves, OD green, Tan, and spooky guy black! Also the "jungle" boots are not approved for flight anyway, but agree with the comfort after breaking them in properly. I got to do SERE "C" up in Brunswick, ME in Sept.
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Guys,
Just stumbled across these good instructional videos from a real Hornet pilot. Based on DCS though, but still worth watching.
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Awesome find Paddles. Very informative. Thanks for sharing!
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There is another former Hornet doing the same, but I think his info is dated, Lex might have the sharper memory along with a good steady instructional tone.
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He just release another video about basic formation flying
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A pretty good one of a Case 2 recovery. Something to notice is how when he gets in close he brings the power to idle because the ball gets a little high, then goes to MIL at the ramp to save it. He does end up with the ball a little low, but hey, he made it on deck!!! ;D
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Nice angle on the cam for the LDDI and HUD page, also like how clean the newer right lower panel stand-by instruments (now just the ESIS) on later Super Bug blocks. VACAPES based on kneeboard card.
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Here's a video of a I did for a good buddy of mine who flew the A/C/E/F Hornets. As he retired he gave me some cockpit footage to blend with stock footage for his retirement video. He left the Navy recently and said I could make it public. Hope you enjoy.
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Nice job on the vid, I see some Super stuff I recognize and your bud with VFA-94 at retirement? I retired in Feb and didn't think about putting a vid together with my limited GoPro Hero2 footage.
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Actually, he retired flying over at Cecil Field (KVQQ) as a Navy test pilot for Boeing. He would fly the Charlie's after they were modified for the Blue Angels to make sure they were good. His last assignment was flying the E's and F's that are currently being modified for the Blues. He would fly "the demo" solo as numbers 1 and 5 putting the jet through the paces. I told him I hated his guts.
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A pretty good one of a Case 2 recovery. Something to notice is how when he gets in close he brings the power to idle because the ball gets a little high, then goes to MIL at the ramp to save it. He does end up with the ball a little low, but hey, he made it on deck!!! ;D
VIDEO UNAVAILABLE
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Hmmm, Interesting. Spaz, I went looking for that vid and the others he had posted - Nothing. The guy who posted that case 2 vid was an active Navy guy, so I wonder if he took them down.
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Hornet Carrier Ops 2018 West Coast Strike Fighter Ball JOPA
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Not Hornet but good HUD views of CQ Approaches with 'accurate' LSO comments one hopes. The lad improves....
CQL - Carrier Ball Flying
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26850/blue-angels-to-receive-18-early-model-super-hornets-and-revised-routine-for-2021-season
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The Miramar airshow the first year the Blues had the F-18. The whole show is cool - I should know. I was a starry eyed 15 year old somewhere in that crowd. But Skip to 1:21 to see the Blues. Interesting how the show has changed.
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I was stationed at MCAS Yuma when they were transitioning to the Hornets. We watched them, from the flight line, when they came to practise a particular maneuver.
Saw the Hornet come in, low and slow...and slower...and slower...
Nose going higher and higher...
I was expecting to see a crash out on the runway. Instead, it got to the point it was pointed straight up, hovering on the thrust of the engines. It danced (only way to describe what the plane was doing) around on the engines for a few minutes, and then increased the throttles and flew away, still pointed vertically. We all who were watching cheered like mad. It was a masterful demonstration of piloting and aircraft capability. I just hate to think what would happen if one engine even hiccuped a moment. Probably why they didn't include the maneuver in their routine. Waaaaaay too dangerous, especially near a crowd.
The plane does have a fair amount of thrust, btw, better than 1:1. I don't know the exact numbers but with a light fuel load, no attachments of any kind on the wings or anything, the ratio would be even better. Like the way the Blues planes are configured. Perfectly doable, but like I said, deadly dangerous near the ground. They only did it once I know of, but I'm glad I got to see it. :)
Still neat as heck to watch, though :D
Have fun all!
Pat☺
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Just finished re-watching that as I do love all things Tomcat. His story about the "night in the barrel" makes me think it was his personal story. Pretty amazing for VFs 14/41/211/154 to get action during early OEF/OIF with very old "A" models.