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Title: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Kappa on March 09, 2011, 11:01:13 PM
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Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: CX 747-400 on March 09, 2011, 11:07:34 PM
AWESOME!!!!!!   I can not wait for this release.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: COA777 on March 09, 2011, 11:18:16 PM
AMAZING!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: ElAl4ever on March 10, 2011, 12:07:06 AM
Nice, did you fix the tower though?


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 10, 2011, 12:28:33 AM
Nice, did you fix the tower though?

Kappa, do you realise T4 is much more white in real life?? The colors are off/a little dark. Otherwise, it's breathtaking!!! And did you add the object to the tower??

I see you added the SABS addon to T5 GREAT WORK!!!!!!!  ;D :D

Look at the T5 picture with the EK777, look at the ramp control tower on top of T5 compared you the one you modeled. A bit of a difference in color and size of the windows... ;)

Umberto, the photos I emailed you are too big they keep getting bounced back. I will add them to my photobucket account and email you the links.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: sjt375 on March 10, 2011, 12:51:16 AM
...woah


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Thralni on March 10, 2011, 01:00:25 AM
Oh my goodness. I'm quite curious how this will perform on my computer. MegaScenery SOCAL hardly seems to hit my FPS... The combination should be stunning. Can't wait to do some KLAX-KLAS-KLAX, or KSFO-KLAX-KSFO with the PMDG 737NGX, whenever that one is released.

Anyway, your progress is admirable. Keep up the good work!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Anders Bermann on March 10, 2011, 02:52:05 AM
Unfreaklin' unbelievable!!! :D
Looks absolutely gorgeous!

On a side note... I think the iFly 737NG will be released for FSX before PMDG's - just a guess... :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Silverbird on March 10, 2011, 03:45:30 AM
Looks really fantastic kappa!  ;) great work as always fsdt.  :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 10, 2011, 04:39:12 AM
LAX starting to have life :o The detail is great. :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: aircanadajet on March 10, 2011, 05:47:26 AM
Alright this looks ready, just release it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::) :-\ ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: theshack440 on March 10, 2011, 05:57:22 AM
This looks incredible! Hope to have it on my computer soon and admire all the details  ;D

Regards


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Boeing787 on March 10, 2011, 06:21:17 AM
All I can say is awesome!!!! Loving this work :D Kappa, Umberto, and team please do not feel pressured to release it soon, I much would rather have a finished product with all the details added and all the bugs worked out than not. If that means it takes until summer, then it takes until summer. But, how much worth the wait that would be :) Keep giving this project TLC, don't rush!!! Again, awesome awesome work!

Joel


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 10, 2011, 06:40:40 AM
Boy do I hope this gets released for FS9!  It looks amazing!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 10, 2011, 08:34:23 AM
Boy do I hope this gets released for FS9!  It looks amazing!

The FS9 fingers are supercrosed!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cowings1588 on March 10, 2011, 09:40:13 AM
I'm Estatic.. AMAZINGLY GREAT !!  Its Awsome FSDT guys... I will be getting this one as well as the other you have..   Amazing building textures & glass appearence.. Man it really makes me wish Houston looked this good.. This is so awsome.. The work you guys do, I'll be making alot of trips out to LAX just to visit this beauty..  

I'm hoping you guys will do Newark After this..  If you do I know Newark is going to look great because they got alot of glass features on there building especially C concourse at Newark.. With LAX looking this good, Newark should be done by you guys because it really will look great too.. I love the glass work you guys do.. You guys do great work & deffantly got me spoiled..  Can't wait for LAX...

I still gotta get Vegas just haven't decided which outside scenery to get before I get your Airport.. Trying to decide on Aerosoft's Vegas scenery or Megascenery Vegas.. There both great.. I'll probably end up going with Aerosoft's version, which ever one I decide I want to add it in before I add the airport because I was told it runs better adding the outside scenery before installing the Airport scenery..

Either way though LAX is looking great.. Keep up the wonderful work guys..


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: global express on March 10, 2011, 11:21:41 AM
I have everything crossed that can physically be crossed for a FS9 version. Looks fantastic!  ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 10, 2011, 11:37:39 AM
I have everything crossed that can physically be crossed for a FS9 version. Looks fantastic!  ;D

And that it will surpass LSZH as FSDT's best selling scenery! ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: simon747 on March 10, 2011, 12:23:31 PM
Amazing; my most used airport in FSX...I can't wait for this!!  Looks stunning as always FSDT!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: B777ER on March 10, 2011, 04:24:45 PM
What is fsdt's stance on the construction going on at LAX (643 days till completion as of today by the way)? Are you guys going to model what the end deal will look like in regards to the TBIT or just model the old terminal and do an update later? How about the new cross field taxiway that is in operation now?


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 10, 2011, 08:55:17 PM
What is fsdt's stance on the construction going on at LAX (643 days till completion as of today by the way)? Are you guys going to model what the end deal will look like in regards to the TBIT or just model the old terminal and do an update later? How about the new cross field taxiway that is in operation now?

Yes it is. I took these pictures yesterday. It's Taxiway R.

http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LAXDev/News_for_LAXDev/Taxilane%20S%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01669.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01670.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01671.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01672.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01674.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/Untitled-1.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01676.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01677.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01680.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww184/newmanix/DSC01681.jpg


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 10, 2011, 11:04:17 PM
Those pictures are very nice :) Thanks for sharing. 8)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Athan on March 10, 2011, 11:21:21 PM
Simply breathtaking!!!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: JamesChams on March 11, 2011, 04:15:59 AM
Ciao Kappa,
Pic number #3 from the top, looks very "photo real." :o Bravo! 8)

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(http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4151.0;attach=9924)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: theshack440 on March 11, 2011, 04:31:08 AM
Ciao Kappa,
Pic number #3 from the top, looks very "photo real." :o Bravo! 8)

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(http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4151.0;attach=9924)

Agreed! It looks amazing with the windows and all


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 11, 2011, 08:14:57 AM
Great looking shots Kappa. I can see this is comming along really nice.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: NG Pilot on March 12, 2011, 04:38:29 AM
Ausome!! :o....Any idea of what the price will be ???<-----well worth the money tho :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 12, 2011, 11:27:43 AM
Ausome!! :o....Any idea of what the price will be ???<-----well worth the money tho :)

I would imagine it will be about the price of all their other sceneries, somewhere between $30 and $40 dollars.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Ray on March 12, 2011, 11:44:22 AM
This is looking outstanding! And the very first screenie reminds me of FSDT's "ancestry".  :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: skimmer on March 12, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
Absolutly FUNTASTIC!!!!!! Its time for for new grafics card and Windows 7,64bit :o


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 13, 2011, 03:17:50 PM
Boy do I hope this gets released for FS9!  It looks amazing!

He told us long time ago that it will be for both FS versions  ;) so.. let's see  :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Silverbird on March 13, 2011, 04:24:13 PM
I really need to get that Intel 2600k/2500k system! love the effects on the textures and ground! klax is gonna be really awesome and will go good with phnl that is across the ocean. very exciting.! 8)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 13, 2011, 05:17:32 PM
He told us long time ago that it will be for both FS versions  ;) so.. let's see  :)

What he told us was if it would look as good or better than the C9 version, they would release it.  They are doing so much with the FSX version that has to be removed later, that it might not be worth releasing the FS9 version.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 13, 2011, 05:42:51 PM
40 to 50 % are still flying FS9.. Bruce


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 13, 2011, 05:57:33 PM
40 to 50 % are still flying FS9.. Bruce

Which isn't relevant.  They said that, in a blunt way, if it is going to look like crap, it won't be released.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 13, 2011, 07:08:23 PM
40 to 50 % are still flying FS9.. Bruce

Which isn't relevant.  They said that, in a blunt way, if it is going to look like crap, it won't be released.

Of course it's relevant, nearly 50% is lot of money to lose... Me personally will NEVER buy more FSX stuff. I'll wait for something better than FSX to come along before I'll invest some money  ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 13, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
40 to 50 % are still flying FS9.. Bruce

As a dual user, I happen to be one of those 40 to 50%, so your point is...?   ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: DChockey08 on March 13, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
He told us long time ago that it will be for both FS versions  ;) so.. let's see  :)

What he told us was if it would look as good or better than the C9 version, they would release it.  They are doing so much with the FSX version that has to be removed later, that it might not be worth releasing the FS9 version.
Right, but he later said was that it was looking more and more likely that it would look better than the C9 version.

I personally  have an i7 build but still fly FS9. It's not only about performance.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 13, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
He told us long time ago that it will be for both FS versions  ;) so.. let's see  :)

What he told us was if it would look as good or better than the C9 version, they would release it.  They are doing so much with the FSX version that has to be removed later, that it might not be worth releasing the FS9 version.
Right, but he later said was that it was looking more and more likely that it would look better than the C9 version.

I personally  have an i7 build but still fly FS9. It's not only about performance.

Amen to that...  ;) BTW the C9 version of LAX is old and it's not AES ready... so that's why we fs9 users need a new LAX  ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 13, 2011, 11:48:39 PM
Of course it's relevant, nearly 50% is lot of money to lose...

It is not relevant to what Umberto said would be the determining factor of whether or not it would be released for FS9.  IIRC, the odds were looking good.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: country4life on March 14, 2011, 01:47:14 PM
No matter what people say, FS DreamTeam is ONLY gonna produce what is more logical for them and they dont care about what percentage of people are still on fs2004. Where are these numbers coming from anyway? 40-50% of people still on fs2004? How did one come up with these numbers? If thats true, then the percentage of simmers on FSX must be 90-100%. Im just glad I have FSX and dont have to come on ANY forum to try and butter up developers to release a newly developed scenery for an outdated sim (sorry if I struck a nerve. To tell you the truth, I think im saying what some of these developers want to say, but can not. Just wait on the release and keep your fingers crossed (they release a fs2004 version). Im gonna leave you with this thought, how long do you honestly think that all the flight sim developers (not just FSDreamTeam), are gonna keep producing fs2004 content? Its totally up to you to keep flying it and not switch over to fsx (I know I can care less), but why keep stressing the developers out and arguing in the forums with other simmers about the importance of an outdated sim. It might not be today, it might not be tomorrow, and hell, it might not be 5 yrs from now but I can guarantee you one thing, one of these days all of you fs2004 simmers are gonna be flying FSX...thats just my opinion though....and now im gonna open the floor to all arguments ;D

 p.s.
     just remember to go easy on me, im new to the forum


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 14, 2011, 01:58:29 PM
Yes it's you... wake up and smell the coffee  ;)

I'll try find the link for this documentation  :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 14, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
Yes it's you... wake up and smell the coffee  ;)

I'll try find the link for this documentation  :)

edit: 

http://forum.phpvms.net/topic/2610-fs2004-vs-fsx/ (http://forum.phpvms.net/topic/2610-fs2004-vs-fsx/)
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?206064-fs9-vs-FSX (http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?206064-fs9-vs-FSX)

Maybe I can find more polls


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: virtuali on March 14, 2011, 02:41:02 PM
Quote
Maybe I can find more polls

A poll from 2009, which was voted by just 59 people, and one from 2010, which had 23 voters aren't very representative.

Along 2010 and more now, we have noticed an acceleration of the FS9 decline, it used to be a strong 42-45% up to last year, but our more recent data shows that FSX is finally gaining over. And, we have a little bit more solid data, because having a Trial we have several thousands downloads of each product, every month.

For our latest scenery, Hawaii Vol. 1, 65% of downloads were of the FSX version so, the trend is clear and, as they say, in economy only trends matters...

Not that this has much to do with our decision to do or not KLAX for FS9, that's entirely technical and doesn't have anything to do with market share, since even an FS9 at 30% of the market is still viable for us, provided it doesn't take too long to do a conversion from FSX to FS9, which as of today, never took more than a week.

The issue with KLAX with purely based on quality: since we already HAVE a KLAX scenery for FS9 on sale, it wouldn't make much sense to release a new product if it wouldn't look better than a 4 years old one. We believe we'll be able to outdo Cloud9 KLAX but, since lots of design methods we are trying on KLAX are quite new, there's always the chance something might not look right on FS9. However, as I've said in a previous post, it's likely there will be a new KLAX for FS9, that will look probably better than the Cloud9 version but, will also look drastically worse than the FSX version...so, if you want to get the "real" KLAX, use it in FSX. Not an issue with our products, since our licence works for both sims at the same price...


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 14, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
Have seen another polls that show defiantly, but I can't remember where I saw it...  :-\ anyway, lot of folks are still flying fs9. So I hope U still will make scenery for fs9 as well...

Cheers  :)
 


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: flusispieler on March 14, 2011, 04:00:55 PM
What I can see when watching the eye of IVAO i can see about 60% of all flights are done with FS8/FS9 software.
Every member of IVAO is able to check that with the IvAe.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: CX 747-400 on March 14, 2011, 07:16:53 PM
Yes it's you... wake up and smell the coffee  ;)

I'll try find the link for this documentation  :)

edit: 

http://forum.phpvms.net/topic/2610-fs2004-vs-fsx/ (http://forum.phpvms.net/topic/2610-fs2004-vs-fsx/)
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?206064-fs9-vs-FSX (http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?206064-fs9-vs-FSX)

Maybe I can find more polls

Since these polls are old, and not alot of votes. I thought I would do another poll on this same topic.
Stop by my site and vote.

http://flightsimbuzz.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 14, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
Thank you  ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: B777ER on March 14, 2011, 08:53:55 PM
What is fsdt's stance on the construction going on at LAX (643 days till completion as of today by the way)? Are you guys going to model what the end deal will look like in regards to the TBIT or just model the old terminal and do an update later? How about the new cross field taxiway that is in operation now?

Umberto,

If you dont know yet and dont want to comment, can you at least say so?


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: virtuali on March 14, 2011, 10:12:22 PM
Have seen another polls that show defiantly, but I can't remember where I saw it...

If you are referring to the poll we had here, that's entirely different: both because of dates, because we had it at the end of 2010 while those were from 2009 and early 2010, and also on the number of people that voted, since the one we had here had 874 voters, quite different from the one you linked, voted by 59 and 23 people.

And even if our poll had about 20 times more voters, we always said from start it we wouldn't blindly followed it in any case, because even such numbers are not enough to give a better perception of the market, and in case of FSX acceptance, a year or more later clearly makes a difference, which is why it doesn't make any sense to quote such  small polls from 2009-early/2010, let alone comparing with our own poll, and even more so considering we have even bigger samples from the actual download data.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 14, 2011, 10:34:06 PM
No I wasn't Umberto... I think we should stop this topic regarding FS9 vs. FSX. It's more easy to get peace in the middle east  :D  than to agree about this discussion right?


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 15, 2011, 12:28:52 AM
how long do you honestly think that all the flight sim developers (not just FSDreamTeam), are gonna keep producing fs2004 content?

I would imagine that once "Flight" is out, if it ends up being as great as some of us think it will be, then I can't imagine developers will continue to work on FS9 products any longer as supporting and developing for 3 sims would be too much work. They will probably switch their focus to Flight and maybe FSX, but I doubt that any new products that are developed for Flight will be back ported twice, meaning once to work in FSX, and another version to work in FS9.

Doesn't mean that FS9 is dead, since anyone can continue to use it, but at some point in probably the not to distant future, 3PD's are probably going to stop developing for it all together, just like at some point they will probably stop developing for FSX.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: DChockey08 on March 15, 2011, 03:14:09 AM
If I may..
I don't at all think the C9 scenery is horrible, it's actually quite nice compared to some of the other c*ap that's out there (see Blueprint). What us FS9 flyers are looking for is an updated and AES-ready version. I completely understand what you are saying though about not releasing a scenery that is horrible looking.

About Flight, it might even end up looking better than FSX while getting better performance. It's not impossible to do. That might end the FS9 vs FSX debate once and for all, considering everyone would be using Flight.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cowings1588 on March 15, 2011, 07:48:51 AM
FSX is better than FS9 hands down !!  I love FSX   :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 15, 2011, 08:09:52 AM
If I may..
I don't at all think the C9 scenery is horrible, it's actually quite nice compared to some of the other c*ap that's out there (see Blueprint). What us FS9 flyers are looking for is an updated and AES-ready version. I completely understand what you are saying though about not releasing a scenery that is horrible looking.

About Flight, it might even end up looking better than FSX while getting better performance. It's not impossible to do. That might end the FS9 vs FSX debate once and for all, considering everyone would be using Flight.

I totally agree on this one.. I'll wait till "flight" will come along..  ;) I'll skip the FSX part..  ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 15, 2011, 06:23:27 PM
About Flight, it might even end up looking better than FSX while getting better performance. It's not impossible to do. That might end the FS9 vs FSX debate once and for all, considering everyone would be using Flight.

You could be right, but then the debate might go from FS9 vs. FSX, to FSX vs. Flight and which one is better or worse..

I'm sure that just like with FS9 and FSX, where there were a bunch of FS9 guys who didn't want to dump all their payware to move to FSX as their fulltime sim, the same will happen when Flight comes out. There will be people like me who have invested hundreds or even thousands of dollars into FSX addons and then will have to make the choice if they want to start over and repurchase or upgrade all those addons for Flight once they are out.

Personally, if Flight ends up being a vastly improved version over FSX in terms of looks and performance, then I will go ahead and start over from scratch once 3PDs start rolling out scenery and aircraft for it. However, I would imagine that if current FSX products need to be basically redone from scratch rather than easily ported to Flight format to work, then it will probably be sometime before we see a good variety of addons for Flight, just like it took FSX sometime before we started to get some good sceneries. If thats the case, then I will probably be using FSX for the next 2 years since I can stand flying default planes into default airports.

Either way, we will probably never have a FS community where the majority of users are on one sim like it was in the FS9 days years ago. I'm sure that even if Flight is really great, there will still be a bunch of FS9 users that want to stay with it because as they always say, they can run it will every slider to the right, 100% AI, etc, and still get like 50 FPS or something to that effect. If Flight is built like every other version of FS has been it will be built to run at max settings with tomorrows computers rather than todays, although it seems like from the press releases they want to make performance better this time around, so maybe the computers of tomorrow wont be required to run it at high levels.



Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Anders Bermann on March 15, 2011, 06:45:08 PM
It difficult to say...

In my opinion, it greatly depends also regarding the level of compatibility of addon scenery between 'Flight Simulator X' and 'MS Flight' sceneries... if we're lucky, it could be a bit more compatible than FS2004/FSX scenery... (which as to my knowledge, is close to zero... )

We'll see, how it comes out... :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Dimon on March 15, 2011, 07:04:33 PM
About Flight, it might even end up looking better than FSX while getting better performance. It's not impossible to do. That might end the FS9 vs FSX debate once and for all, considering everyone would be using Flight.

I'm sure that just like with FS9 and FSX, where there were a bunch of FS9 guys who didn't want to dump all their payware to move to FSX as their fulltime sim, the same will happen when Flight comes out. There will be people like me who have invested hundreds or even thousands of dollars into FSX addons and then will have to make the choice if they want to start over and repurchase or upgrade all those addons for Flight once they are out.



You know...in old times I invested a lot of money in FS2002....remember old LAGO EHAM and PHNL (hello Umberto! ;D), Simflyers stuff, early GAP series and UK2000 airports when AFCAD and AI traffic were new guys in the town. However, this didn't preclude me to move easily to FS2004 once people realized that it's perfect extension over FS2002 with impoved ATC and many other areas. In other words, don't blame people's habits for the real technical flaws of FSX. Once it will be proven that Flight is stable, reliable, fits modern PC requirements on at least "expensive" level of hardware - I will switch no matter how many thousand of $$$ I have invested up to date into FS2004.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 15, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
You know...in old times I invested a lot of money in FS2002....remember old LAGO EHAM and PHNL (hello Umberto! ;D), Simflyers stuff, early GAP series and UK2000 airports when AFCAD and AI traffic were new guys in the town. However, this didn't preclude me to move easily to FS2004 once people realized that it's perfect extension over FS2002 with impoved ATC and many other areas. In other words, don't blame people's habits for the real technical flaws of FSX. Once it will be proven that Flight is stable, reliable, fits modern PC requirements on at least "expensive" level of hardware - I will switch no matter how many thousand of $$$ I have invested up to date into FS2004.

Dmitry, that maybe you personally, but I cant even count how many times I have read posts around the FS world of people who want to switch to FSX for one reason or another, but frankly dont want to spend the money to rebuild their library of addons. I'm not saying that is everyone, I was only mentioning it as a reason for some. You got to remember, some people who are heavly invested in FS9 may never switch to a new sim regardless of its look or performance, just do to the fact that they can't financially do it, or maybe are just happy enough with FS9 that they will use it until the die. Then there are other guys like Ed (edetroit) who post the vids over at Avsim who dont even like wide screen monitors and stick with 4:3. He's so vested in FS9 with all the panels, guages, and whatever else he's custom made for himself, he'll probably never use another sim other that what he's using now.

Of course for some like yourself, FSX didn't make sense to switch to. In your opinon its full of bugs, can't get enought FPS most likely, hate the higher res ground textures, cant run every slider to the right with 60 FPS, probably is pissed that PMDG and ORBX dont support FS9 developement anymore, thinks it looks cartoonish. What else? Of yeah, you probably hate the car and boat traffic that's not scenery specific, hate the moving jetways that are on the stock airports, probably think that 4096 res clouds textures look like crap, etc., etc.

However for all the reasons you didn't want to go to FSX, pretty much all of those reasons are why some of us wanted to go to FSX. Nothing wrong with that, no one is forcing anyone to use a sim they hate :-)

As far as the other comments about "technical flaws of FSX", that arguement is getting about as old as FS9 is itself. If it was really that bad or that flawed I dont thing anyone would be using it at all, much less for their primary or only sim. In fact, I doubt developers would even mess with FSX if it was that unstable or trouble some and their wasn't a market for addons for it.


Anyway Dmitry, lets not turn this into another FS9 vs. FSX debate.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Buziel-411 on March 16, 2011, 04:58:56 AM
Lookin' gorgeous!  :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: DChockey08 on March 16, 2011, 05:12:40 AM
About Flight, it might even end up looking better than FSX while getting better performance. It's not impossible to do. That might end the FS9 vs FSX debate once and for all, considering everyone would be using Flight.

You could be right, but then the debate might go from FS9 vs. FSX, to FSX vs. Flight and which one is better or worse..

I'm sure that just like with FS9 and FSX, where there were a bunch of FS9 guys who didn't want to dump all their payware to move to FSX as their fulltime sim, the same will happen when Flight comes out. There will be people like me who have invested hundreds or even thousands of dollars into FSX addons and then will have to make the choice if they want to start over and repurchase or upgrade all those addons for Flight once they are out.

Personally, if Flight ends up being a vastly improved version over FSX in terms of looks and performance, then I will go ahead and start over from scratch once 3PDs start rolling out scenery and aircraft for it. However, I would imagine that if current FSX products need to be basically redone from scratch rather than easily ported to Flight format to work, then it will probably be sometime before we see a good variety of addons for Flight, just like it took FSX sometime before we started to get some good sceneries. If thats the case, then I will probably be using FSX for the next 2 years since I can stand flying default planes into default airports.

Either way, we will probably never have a FS community where the majority of users are on one sim like it was in the FS9 days years ago. I'm sure that even if Flight is really great, there will still be a bunch of FS9 users that want to stay with it because as they always say, they can run it will every slider to the right, 100% AI, etc, and still get like 50 FPS or something to that effect. If Flight is built like every other version of FS has been it will be built to run at max settings with tomorrows computers rather than todays, although it seems like from the press releases they want to make performance better this time around, so maybe the computers of tomorrow wont be required to run it at high levels.



Well, I see what you mean about FSX vs Flight, but if Flight runs better than FSX, I don't dee why anyone would stick with FSX for a long time, (even if they have purchased many add-ons). Right now it's simple  : there is no such computer that can run FSX at ultra-high settings at major airports with add-ons and maintain a steady 30+ FPS, and that is why some still fly FS9. If you have the name of a computer that can do this, please send me a link!  ;) I have an i7 build, and still sly FS9, because even an i7 doesn't get good enough FPS on FSX for me. But I am basically echoing what you already said.

If FSX ran as good or better than FS9, no one would be using FS9 anymore, and we all know it. So, if Flight beats FSX performance, I don't see how FSX (much less FS9) can survive. But then again wouldn't that make life so much easier for Virtuali and the gang?  :D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 16, 2011, 06:37:14 AM
Well, I see what you mean about FSX vs Flight, but if Flight runs better than FSX, I don't dee why anyone would stick with FSX for a long time, (even if they have purchased many add-ons). Right now it's simple  : there is no such computer that can run FSX at ultra-high settings at major airports with add-ons and maintain a steady 30+ FPS, and that is why some still fly FS9. If you have the name of a computer that can do this, please send me a link!  ;) I have an i7 build, and still sly FS9, because even an i7 doesn't get good enough FPS on FSX for me. But I am basically echoing what you already said.

If FSX ran as good or better than FS9, no one would be using FS9 anymore, and we all know it. So, if Flight beats FSX performance, I don't see how FSX (much less FS9) can survive. But then again wouldn't that make life so much easier for Virtuali and the gang?  :D


I'm not going to lie, getting FSX to run perfectly takes more work than FS9 does with todays hardware. I mean you can take pretty much any newer computer, load FS9 and all your addons, set up your nVidia control panel, and go. Probably not much else needs to be done. FSX takes more work to set up well and get it running at high levels. In my case I am running it on an overclocked C2D at 3.85ghx, 2GB of RAM, and a 1GB OC GTS 250, far from high end compared to what is available now, however after enlisting the help of a 3rd party who specializes in FS9/FSX setups my rig runs it at what I would consider levels higher than FS9, but not completely maxed out and still manage sold FPS at major hubs with loads of AI, weather etc. What I mean when I say at levels higher than FS9 but not maxed FSX is that I can run larger amounts of autogen than what FS9 provides, higher res ground and cloud textures than FS9, 100% AI 99% of the time, some vehicle and boat traffic, etc, but not completely maxed out of what FSX can do. That being said, about the only airport that I have to tone AI down a bit is JFK and one or two of ORBX's major hubs when I am flying heavy metal. Doesn't really bother me though to trim the settings for two or three airports though since I dont live and die by KJFK or the few ORBX airports since I can still fly pretty much anywere else I want with a sim than in my opinion looks much better than FS9 does, primarly due to the ground and water textures.

I'll be frank though, the ground and water is the main reason I prefer FSX. I had FS9 on my rig up until a few months ago and while I tried to use it once in a while, after being so used to the ground/water in FSX I just couldn't enjoy it anymore, even for flights into JFK. Had I never spent so much time in FSX and got used to those ground and water textures then it would probably be a different story, but it is what it is. I'll pare back my settings if need to go to JFK, but for the majority of the rest of the world FSX with the PMDG birds and FSDT, FlyTampa, and Flightbeam sceneries work surprisingly well on what is now an antique computer.

Anyways, it will be interesting to how Flight measures up. I am optimistic that it will be an improvement, however with the track record MS has of always building these sims for the next generation of computers, it will be interesting to see if the next version will indeed run at high levels on todays hardware. If thats the case that it does, then maybe we will see the majority of the pack convert to one sim, however it's still going to take some time for our precious 3RD party sceneries and aircraft to show up to the party if backward compatibility is completely broken. If its not and FSX material can easliy be made to work then we might be all set from the start, however I have a feeling that it wont be that easy.

Say Flight come out this December for a holiday release and backward compatibilty is completely broken, it will probably be at least a year or more which would be some time in 2011 or early 2012 before new airports/aircarft start showing up. If that's the case there is no way I will even bother to get Flight until I can at least replace one or two of my favorite airliners like the 747, 737, or 767 and at least 10 or more aftermarket airports. Even then it I dont know if I could be enticed for such a small amount of content. On the other hand, say FSDT gets their hands on a copy of Flight and the SDK and finds out, hey this is simple to get FSX content ported to work in Flight and Flight is a much better sim, I will be on Flight quicker than a fly on poop if you know what I mean, lol. Hopefully that is the scenario, but it will probably be 6 months or more before we find out either way.



Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 18, 2011, 06:07:13 AM
I am one of those hpoing to go FS9>Flight and bypass FSX alltogether. For a while I was using FSX for VFR flights but have finally removed the program from my system after 2 years. I can't stand the head shaking camera or the sparse graphics. For VFR flights I have all graphics maxed out and get about a good 25FPS (60 FPS with same aircraft and scenery in FS9). Luckly, I haven't purchased any scenery or aircraft for FSX so the only loss is FSX itself. So I am quite happy with my FS9. I just hope Flight isn't a disaster or I will happly be stuck back in time with FS9....


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 18, 2011, 08:06:55 AM
Remember that aerosoft is also developing a new simulator  ;) 


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Dimon on March 18, 2011, 01:59:19 PM
Remember that aerosoft is also developing a new simulator  ;) 

...and I'm developing the eternal engine. ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: panadar on March 18, 2011, 04:59:07 PM
LOOKING GOOD for FSX!!!!  I am excited to finally see another quality airport for FSX.  You have a very loyal customer in me, and I am only TOO TOO happy to support you guys whenver you come out with new scenery for FSX!   I am proud to say that I have no pirated stuff on my machine!  You keep up the good work!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 18, 2011, 05:16:49 PM
Remember that aerosoft is also developing a new simulator  ;)  

Perhaps, but I have no hopes for it. Perhaps they are waiting to see what Flight will offer... Either way they are very quiet about it and whenever someone asks they say they cant give out information. But Flight has screenshots and video and Aerosoft has nothing whatsoever to show for the nearly 2 years or so they have been working on it... So I am up in the air on that. I just hope Flight or Aerosoft's sim doesn't feel like another video game...


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 18, 2011, 05:47:04 PM
...and I'm developing the eternal engine. ;D

Will it work in FS9, or is it FSX only?   :D ;D

Joking aside, newmanix is right... for the length of time that has passed since the announcement of AFS, they should have something to show us, yet we've seen nothing.  I'm thinking they've secretly dropped it since the announcement of Flight.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 18, 2011, 09:26:10 PM
Joking aside, newmanix is right... for the length of time that has passed since the announcement of AFS, they should have something to show us, yet we've seen nothing.  I'm thinking they've secretly dropped it since the announcement of Flight.

I agree. Of course, since we dont really know what is going on internally with Aerosoft it just speculation on our part, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the Aerosoft sim. I have a feeling the announcement of Flight may have put a damper on their plans. Not only that, but if they do proceed with the Aerosoft FS and Flight is also on the market at or around the same time, how many 3PDs are going to develope for it? As it stands now most of our favorite devs dont do anything for X-Plane, so I would imagine if Aerosoft has a sim on the market as well, the same devs who dont touch X-Plane probably wont touch the Aerosoft version either, which would leave FS9/FSX/Flight as the primary targets for 3PDs to develope for.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 19, 2011, 01:33:56 AM
It looks like the Aerosoft Simulator prospects look bleak :P Even if there was progress, Aerosoft could'nt have been that far along considering writing lines and lines of code. :-\


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 19, 2011, 01:40:38 AM
It looks like the Aerosoft Simulator prospects look bleak :P Even if there was progress, Aerosoft could'nt have been that far along considering writing lines and lines of code. :-\


Kenneth U have no idea what so ever... We/you don't no what exactly AS is planing right?  ;) 


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 19, 2011, 01:53:55 AM
It looks like the Aerosoft Simulator prospects look bleak :P Even if there was progress, Aerosoft could'nt have been that far along considering writing lines and lines of code. :-\


Kenneth U have no idea what so ever... We/you don't no what exactly AS is planing right?  ;) 
I'm looking at it from a larger picture Frank. However we don't know the precise nature of how along they are. :-\


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cowings1588 on March 19, 2011, 07:26:50 AM
For you FS9 simmers out there.. Nothing against FS9. I dearly enjoyed FS9 for as long as I flown on it & if thats what you feel you can only afford to fly on right now or want too thats cool.. It was a very good flightsim system & I enjoyed for all the times I flew on it, but it was time for me to move on & so I did..


I will say this though also.. For you FS9 simmers, should FSDT decide not too do LAX for some reason, It may not be FSDT quality but there is an LAX for FS9 out & its made by BluePrint Simulations who still does great work on there scenery, you just won't have activated jetways like you do with FSDT but atleast you'll have LAX for FS9...


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 19, 2011, 09:04:37 AM
For you FS9 simmers out there.. Nothing against FS9. I dearly enjoyed FS9 for as long as I flown on it & if thats what you feel you can only afford to fly on right now or want too thats cool.. It was a very good flightsim system & I enjoyed for all the times I flew on it, but it was time for me to move on & so I did..


I will say this though also.. For you FS9 simmers, should FSDT decide not too do LAX for some reason, It may not be FSDT quality but there is an LAX for FS9 out & its made by BluePrint Simulations who still does great work on there scenery, you just won't have activated jetways like you do with FSDT but atleast you'll have LAX for FS9...

Too bad this isn't the FT forum so I will just say. NOOB  ::) How dare you promote BP in this forum.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 19, 2011, 09:16:10 AM
For you FS9 simmers out there.. Nothing against FS9. I dearly enjoyed FS9 for as long as I flown on it & if thats what you feel you can only afford to fly on right now or want too thats cool.. It was a very good flightsim system & I enjoyed for all the times I flew on it, but it was time for me to move on & so I did..


I will say this though also.. For you FS9 simmers, should FSDT decide not too do LAX for some reason, It may not be FSDT quality but there is an LAX for FS9 out & its made by BluePrint Simulations who still does great work on there scenery, you just won't have activated jetways like you do with FSDT but atleast you'll have LAX for FS9...

Too bad this isn't the FT forum so I will just say. NOOB  ::) How dare you promote BP in this forum.

I thought about comment this one, but then again...It's not worth an comment. But I'm with U on this one Newmanix.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 19, 2011, 03:59:04 PM
...there is an LAX for FS9 out & its made by BluePrint Simulations who still does great work on there scenery, you just won't have activated jetways like you do with FSDT but atleast you'll have LAX for FS9...

The old Cloud9 version is far superior to the Blueprint version, and it's an FSDT product.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 19, 2011, 04:11:50 PM
U guys are missing something importing here. Both BP and C9 is NOT aes compatible  :( and will never be. So that's why we fs9 users are waiting for FSDT's version of LAX.    


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 19, 2011, 04:55:02 PM
I realize that BP and C9 aren't AES compatible, but not having AES isn't a deal breaker for me.   ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 19, 2011, 06:29:07 PM
...there is an LAX for FS9 out & its made by BluePrint Simulations who still does great work on there scenery, you just won't have activated jetways like you do with FSDT but atleast you'll have LAX for FS9...

The old Cloud9 version is far superior to the Blueprint version, and it's an FSDT product.

No...it is a C9 product.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Anders Bermann on March 19, 2011, 06:32:18 PM
For you FS9 simmers out there.. Nothing against FS9. I dearly enjoyed FS9 for as long as I flown on it & if thats what you feel you can only afford to fly on right now or want too thats cool.. It was a very good flightsim system & I enjoyed for all the times I flew on it, but it was time for me to move on & so I did..


I will say this though also.. For you FS9 simmers, should FSDT decide not too do LAX for some reason, It may not be FSDT quality but there is an LAX for FS9 out & its made by BluePrint Simulations who still does great work on there scenery, you just won't have activated jetways like you do with FSDT but atleast you'll have LAX for FS9...

First of all, even although Cloud9's KLAX scenery is very nice - it's outdated...
Secondly it's not AES-supported (and as already said - will never be!).

Still, the Cloud9 KLAX, is still WAY better than BluePrint's version IMO...

Besides, I don't undertand "Cowings" post... he endorses the BP KLAX with arguments, that

"... you just won't have activated jetways like you do with FSDT but atleast you'll have LAX for FS9..."

Uhh... Newsflash... Cloud9's scenery doesn't have active-gates (actually it does... some of them are actually moveable... :) ) - but not with AES... (as already stated numerous times...)

Anyway - IMHO I'm a little confused (to say the least) why THAT argument is being pulled...
I'm definitely going to purchase FSDT's rendition of KLAX, should it be released for FS9... mainly because it will be up-to-date, and I think that FSDT can do an amazing job!!! They haven't let me down, in any regard, yet!

And looking at the preview shots of KLAX (although for FSX!) - this scenery just keeps getting better and better! :)
Keep up the great work, FSDreamTeam!


The amazed customer! :)


Anders

P.s - Have a great weekend everybody! ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 19, 2011, 07:23:04 PM
No...it is a C9 product.

Not really... Cloud9 only exists in name only, judging from what is left of their web site.  Looks like the founders are running some type of food store.   :D

Uhh... Newsflash... Cloud9's scenery doesn't have active-gates (actually it does... some of them are actually moveable... :) ) - but not with AES... (as already stated numerous times...)

Uhh... Newsflash... We're all aware of that.   :D
Some of the users in this forum are sounding like parrots, all you say is AES.  We pretend to fly commercial airliners, can't we pretend the gates are moving?


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 19, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
No...it is a C9 product.

Not really... Cloud9 only exists in name only, judging from what is left of their web site.  Looks like the founders are running some type of food store.   :D

Yes really.  Just because they are no longer around doesn't mean the product isn't their's.  Support is now being handled by Virtuali s.a.s. but that doesn't mean the product wasn't an FSDT product.  It was developed under the cloud9 name.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 19, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
U guys are missing something importing here. Both BP and C9 is NOT aes compatible  :( and we never be. So that's why we fs9 users are waiting for FSDT's version of LAX.   

My thoughts exactly.

I purchased the C9 KLAX when it came out and was totally impressed. It was the highest quality scenery I ever saw till I visited Amsterdam and bought that scenery as well. C9 was miles ahead of everyone. And honestly C9 products are still as good as current developers. Take Bergen for example, with AES, it stands up very strongly to GAP and simwings sceneries being released to this day. If you have FS9, and never purchased or seen Bergen, go run the trial and you would see that scenery could have been released last year. Same as Regan. C9 KLAX is still very good for an outdated scenery which is why if the new backported scenery can match it, it would still be better or equal to t the others. AES is a total dealbreaker for me.

Even if BP used AES, I still wouldn't buy it. I would rathar use the C9 version a million times over.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: newmanix on March 19, 2011, 09:50:27 PM
U guys are missing something importing here. Both BP and C9 is NOT aes compatible  :( and we never be. So that's why we fs9 users are waiting for FSDT's version of LAX.   

My thoughts exactly.

I purchased the C9 KLAX when it came out and was totally impressed. It was the highest quality scenery I ever saw till I visited Amsterdam and bought that scenery as well. C9 was miles ahead of everyone. And honestly C9 products are still as good as current developers. Take Bergen for example, with AES, it stands up very strongly to GAP and simwings sceneries being released to this day. If you have FS9, and never purchased or seen Bergen, go run the trial and you would see that scenery could have been released last year. Same as Regan. C9 KLAX is still very good for an outdated scenery which is why if the new backported scenery can match it, it would still be better or equal to t the others. AES is a total dealbreaker for me.

Even if BP used AES, I still wouldn't buy it. I would rathar use the C9 version a million times over.

But the developers of all the C9 sceneries are the same developers of FSDT. They just didn't own the rights to the C9 product line. There was a major issue with the C9 owners and developers and the developers went on to create FSDT. They reached an agreement last year and thats the reason FSDT is making LAX now.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 19, 2011, 09:54:02 PM
Totally agree on this matter..

If FSDT decide not to make LAX for fs9... Then I hope they at least would update C9 for AES 


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: aircanadajet on March 19, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
Dear FSDT, tomorrow is the first day of Spring... does that mean release date?????


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 20, 2011, 12:07:24 AM
No I don't think so, U have to wait for Progress/06 or 07  ;) maybe in April or May, I guess.. 


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Alliano Ricot on March 20, 2011, 02:16:33 AM
looking Good there Hope for a quick Update as to when I ether buy this add-on for FS2004.

Yes I have readied all the negative posting and some which make a little scene but to me I don't see some to positive points. C9's LAX for FS9 is good, I have it now but playing with all the scenery in FS9 on Full AES to land and LAX to NO AES you don't want to see what goes on in my head ;D. How much C9 LAX is being sold not to even update much less give AES, Oh I can hear it now OH AES This , AES that whats so great about it. It the same thing about FSX and REX and even FSDT to all the other Sim add-on and product providers out there giving A LITTLE MORE REAL TO VIRTUAL REALITY OF WHAT IS REALITY NOW. I about to lose my temper, But I will not about this cross Sim-Wars viral clash make you wonder why the next Flight Sim might not even be a Sim. Computer gaming is facing a problem with all this software wars, I will buy FSX soon but not cause I have enough problems running FS2004 of a pretty good rig I don't what to see X in action on this PC of mines. Please just make this scenery quick cause the the fastest it is out they Can Miami Intl 8). COME ON KMIA!!!!!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 20, 2011, 04:06:19 AM
Dear FSDT, tomorrow is the first day of Spring... does that mean release date?????
We have to wait a while :) Typically when preview 8 thread comes out then we have a pretty good idea that the scenery will be ready to go. ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: kinm on March 20, 2011, 05:58:03 PM

 You should hold off on this project until that new International 1.5 billion dollars project is 60% done.
 LAX will look so different when these new terminals and setup are completed.
 Unless this scenerey project FSX (and FS9..i hope) has the capability of version upgrade with the new look without paying extra.

 Just my opinion here.............

 Thanks,
 Kin M.
 (Klax)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: 777captain on March 20, 2011, 07:07:04 PM

 You should hold off on this project until that new International 1.5 billion dollars project is 60% done.
 LAX will look so different when these new terminals and setup are completed.
 Unless this scenerey project FSX (and FS9..i hope) has the capability of version upgrade with the new look without paying extra.

 Just my opinion here.............

 Thanks,
 Kin M.
 (Klax)

I am assuming an upgrade will be published when this part is FINISHED not 60% done.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Leffe on March 21, 2011, 10:00:45 PM
Hi!
I would for sure buy and recommend LAX for FS9 on the site for iFLY 737.
There are now nearly 5000 registered member on that site today.

I have nearly all of your airports and I find them extremly good and well done for FS9.

/ Leffe


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: xjt1000 on March 23, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on March 23, 2011, 03:04:31 PM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.

Hmm...U do mean KLAX right???


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 23, 2011, 04:43:13 PM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.
They already (FSDT) Has Las Vegas McCarren International Airport. ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: xjt1000 on March 25, 2011, 11:41:19 PM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.

Hmm...U do mean KLAX right???
NO KSNA john wayne airport :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 26, 2011, 06:17:10 AM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.

Hmm...U do mean KLAX right???
NO KSNA john wayne airport :)

lol wut?


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: aircanadajet on March 26, 2011, 02:57:16 PM
it has been a while.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Silverbird on March 26, 2011, 04:03:58 PM
it has been a while.

I'm sure there working hard to finish klax considering the size and detail there putting into it. the fsdt guys always put previews up when they can.  :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 26, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
NO KSNA john wayne airport :)

FSDT isn't a non profit organization, they make scenery they think will sell.   ;)
John Wayne would be more of a Blueprint style of scenery.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: DChockey08 on March 26, 2011, 06:33:02 PM
NO KSNA john wayne airport :)

FSDT isn't a non profit organization, they make scenery they think will sell.   ;)
John Wayne would be more of a Blueprint style of scenery.
Exactly. Look at the recent sceneries: KDFW, KLAX, PHNL. Large international airports. John Wayne is not in the same league as these airports. My guess is FSDT keeps doing major Hubs. After all, I would assume these sell the best right?


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: xjt1000 on March 26, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.

Hmm...U do mean KLAX right???
NO KSNA john wayne airport :)

lol wut?
hahahaha srrry KLAX. It would be a verry good idea to make KSNA after KLAX


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: dsflyerds on March 26, 2011, 11:15:29 PM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.

Hmm...U do mean KLAX right???
NO KSNA john wayne airport :)

lol wut?
hahahaha srrry KLAX. It would be a verry good idea to make KSNA after KLAX

I would agreee that SNA would be a very nice airport to be done by FSDT, KSNA is one of those airports that have a dangerous departure proceedure due to noise abatement, plus its a re leaver airport for LAX. And its small so it should not take much time to develop


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 26, 2011, 11:30:57 PM
Shez Ansari did a nice version of KSNA for FS9 and made a patch for it to work in FSX.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: cmpbllsjc on March 27, 2011, 06:55:47 AM
hahahaha srrry KLAX. It would be a verry good idea to make KSNA after KLAX

You asked the same question over at FlyTampa. Check your thread there, I posted the links to the freeware version Bruce mentioned. It should be enough to get you by for now until someone does it, which I doubt will be anytime soon considering all the other airports on the agendas. BluePrint would probably be the most likely to do an airport like that.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: DChockey08 on March 27, 2011, 07:09:58 PM
Cant wait for KLAS :) after KLAS a verry good sugesstion would be KSNA.

Hmm...U do mean KLAX right???
NO KSNA john wayne airport :)
Very good for your agenda, but not for FSDT or anyone else's agenda.
lol wut?
hahahaha srrry KLAX. It would be a verry good idea to make KSNA after KLAX


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: xjt1000 on March 27, 2011, 11:47:50 PM
Thank you!!!! You are the first person to agree on fsdt making KSNA. I really whnt them to make it. Its a small airport and will not take a lot of time to make.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 28, 2011, 01:19:24 AM
Its a small airport and will not take a lot of time to make.

The two airports in the first Hawaii package are small, but it still took them quite a bit of time to make.  The difference is people buy them, where not many will buy John Wayne.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 28, 2011, 04:33:00 AM
Thank you!!!! You are the first person to agree on fsdt making KSNA. I really whnt them to make it. Its a small airport and will not take a lot of time to make.

Um, I don't think he agreed with you. lol


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 28, 2011, 01:42:35 PM
We're starting to get a little bit "LAX" on the subject. ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Bruce Hamilton on March 28, 2011, 04:28:10 PM
You mean X-"LAX"?   ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: FAlonso22 on March 28, 2011, 07:13:45 PM
If FSDT decide not to make LAX for fs9... Then I hope they at least would update C9 for AES

Yes, please. C9 version is a good scenery for fs9 yet, but it need AES!!


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: PUP4ORD on March 28, 2011, 09:02:03 PM
You mean X-"LAX"?   ;D
It goes hand in hand,LOL :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: bradl on March 29, 2011, 09:00:36 AM
Its a small airport and will not take a lot of time to make.

The two airports in the first Hawaii package are small, but it still took them quite a bit of time to make.  The difference is people buy them, where not many will buy John Wayne.

Didn't Shez and company just make a decent KSNA not too long ago? I could have sworn someone just recently put out some KSNA scenery..

BL.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: SirIsaac726 on March 29, 2011, 10:29:17 PM
Its a small airport and will not take a lot of time to make.

The two airports in the first Hawaii package are small, but it still took them quite a bit of time to make.  The difference is people buy them, where not many will buy John Wayne.

Didn't Shez and company just make a decent KSNA not too long ago? I could have sworn someone just recently put out some KSNA scenery..

BL.


Perhaps you are thinking about his KLGB?  He has a KSNA scenery but that is years old now.  I believe it was originally developed for FS2002, but I could be wrong on that.


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: psykie on April 01, 2011, 06:41:42 AM
Oh, I WOULD buy John Wayne.  I get tired of the big hub airports.  I like smaller county airports that have a lot of commercial  and private traffic.  John Wayne is a very busy little airport with a fun noise abatement procedure.  

That is why I like Fly Tampas Midway and Buffallo because of there smaller size even though they are relatively busy. I also like FSDT's Hawwaii series.

Matthew


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Dimon on April 04, 2011, 06:40:52 PM
How about WIP#6? ;)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: anappy on April 09, 2011, 08:30:41 PM
Will there be any scenery outside the airport like the In N Out


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Athan on April 12, 2011, 07:13:14 PM
Will there be any scenery outside the airport like the In N Out

That is what I am praying for!!! Fingers crossed :)


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: juniormafia27 on April 12, 2011, 07:30:34 PM
Will there be any scenery outside the airport like the In N Out

I think it is possible to add that feature


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: Frank Lindberg on April 12, 2011, 07:48:41 PM
Hey Junior  :)

There U are, welcome back... long time, no seeing 


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: juniormafia27 on April 13, 2011, 12:55:01 AM
Hey Junior  :)

There U are, welcome back... long time, no seeing 

Yeah, I am back.  I have been really busy lately.  I had been checking in from time to time.  Just put up a video in "General Discussions" section titled "Welcome to Colorado" check it out :)  Oh yeah thanks  ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: geoffbecks on April 13, 2011, 03:04:18 AM
Boy do I hope this gets released for FS9!  It looks amazing!

The FS9 fingers are supercrosed!!!  ;D

And mine along with my eyes and everything else I can cross.........I know fs9 will end one day....just dont let it be yet! :P
Geoff


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: boeingrules567 on April 18, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
Im gonna be the first one to get it!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: precious62b on April 19, 2011, 01:29:28 AM
It's getting kinda quiet in here......calm before the storm  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Work in Progress / 05
Post by: aircanadajet on April 19, 2011, 05:06:19 AM
its mid April and it is snowing.... it feels so gloomy!!! :(