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Developer's Backdoor => Los Angeles LAX Backdoor => Topic started by: Kappa on September 20, 2010, 11:47:00 am
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Wehey!!!! Since I moved over to FSX I have missed the Cloud9 LAX so this will be amazing! ;)
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Fantastic!!!!!! Wow,you guys don't mess around,right down to buisness!!! I'm so happy you guys are making LAX!!
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Very cool its always fascinating watching the scenery being built over time.
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Agreed, almost as much fun as using it.
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Two questions.
1. Is FS2004 version planned?
2. Any chance to complete the project by Christmas time?
Thanks
Dmitriy
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1. Is FS2004 version planned?
We are not sure about an FS9 right now. There was already a discussion about this, and an explanation of the possible issues:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3497.msg31575#msg31575
In this case, it doesn't really have anything to do with market reasons, it's just we don't know how it will look like in FS9, with 4x resized textures.
2. Any chance to complete the project by Christmas time?
Very difficult, but we'll try it...
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Thanks.
I hope you'll find a solution for FS2004 - there is still a huge market for FS2004 large IFR commercial airports. And finally, with MF announced, I personally don't see any benefits over the costs (both monetary and labor-related) of switching to FSX with the new platform coming in next 24 months. I'd rather leave the hobby at all. ;D
PS. Well, if FS2004 tex-res for new KLAX will be the same quality as FS2004 DFW has, I will be more than happy.
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PS. Well, if FS2004 tex-res for new KLAX will be the same quality as FS2004 DFW has, I will be more than happy.
You probably haven't understood the problem: we are not using 4096x4096 textures to really increase the overall ground resolution in KLAX, we are using them mainly to increase performances, since we are going to use much less of them, instead of many at 1024x1024 as we have been using until now so, the *total* amount of data will be about the same, but with 16x less objects/draw calls/material state changes.
However, doing this will require a specific modeling which takes lot of time so, having many 1024x1024 textures in FS9 would require redoing all the modeling in FS9. The fast solution would be simply resizing the FSX textures (since FS9 doesn't support 4096x4096), and this is the only way we could port in FS9 fast enough to make the port commercially feasible.
As I've said in my other message, this will result in an FS9 version with 4x times LESS the *actual* resolution compared to the FSX. KDFW in FS9 had the same resolution as in FSX, it simply missed the shaders, this would be different.
Since we don't know right now how it will look like, and we don't also don't know if FS9 users will accept or not a reduced resolution version, and since there's no way we'll do an FS9 specific modeling, because THIS will take a LOT of time, the feasibility of an FS9 version is not sure at this time.
And no, we are not considering making the FS9 version a sepearate purchase to pay for its developement. This it's just wrong, both because we want to have people moving AWAY from FS9 (and making the FSX upgrade path free, it's the only sane way to do it) AND because, in the time we'll do a specific FS9 version, we might do almost another complete scenery for FSX, which now is clearly leading the market so, it doesn't make any commericial sense either, more so considering we already a KLAX scenery in FS9 on sale, which still looks very good today.
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The journey begins......The road map to KLAX is off to a wonderful start. :)
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...this will result in an FS9 version with 4x times LESS the *actual* resolution compared to the FSX. KDFW in FS9 had the same resolution as in FSX, it simply missed the shaders, this would be different.
Sounds like this might be one scenery that should be FSX only, especially if the resulting FS9 version would be only 25% of the quality. If it ends up looking worse than the current C9 version...
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Wow so fast! How cool that you already started the work!
You guys are the best!
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looking forward to the end result 8)
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IMO the only problem of c9 scenery is no AES airport. I dont use airports without AES.
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WOW fast work guys!!! Very nice looking!!! Cant wait!
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It looks like I am joining the ranks of those who will just wait for the new platform, and enjoy my FS9 with my thousands of upgrades/addons. I will miss the new FSDreamteam addons, if it comes to that. :'(
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Thats ridiculous. I hate how people are so dedicated to FS9, what if flight is worse than FSX? Then what will you do? Your going to ahve to change over at some point, most of the developers are putting FSX first now, why, because FSX is gradually taking FS9s place. FSX, now with todays hardware is very easy to run with good settings. The bias that people have to one product or another is just ridiculous. Make a change people, the world does not stay the same, it changes.
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WOW fast work guys!!! Very nice looking!!! Cant wait!
well you are right fast work i hope they goona be high
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Lord a mercy i'm still in love with this one LoL ;D
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Lord a mercy i'm still in love with this one LoL ;D
well its one of best airport in world cant wait to use it :P
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W00T! Great Job guys! Cant wait for the KMIA Backdoor! ;)
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amazing.
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Great news I cant wait till lax comes out :).....two question if i were to switch to fsx would the FSDT scenary i already have could i switch to the fsx versions for free or would i have to buy the fsx scenary?....question #2 what would be a good computer for fsx for around 1,200$??
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Will you be including the new terminal?
Or will the scenery just include that one taxiway from the north to south complex, with construction looks?
Thanks.
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I hope you'll find a solution for FS2004 - there is still a huge market for FS2004 large IFR commercial airports. And finally, with MF announced, I personally don't see any benefits over the costs (both monetary and labor-related) of switching to FSX with the new platform coming in next 24 months.
Unfortunately, your incorrect. The FS9 market is dieing at an accelerated rate due to more and more excellent options in FSX. PMDG and many other developers have made the switch to one platform. I don't think you have ever developed scenery before, as you seem to think that porting an FSX developed scenery into FS9 is an evening job. Its actually an extremely long process that involves almost as many hours as it took to develop the scenery. Its not just resizing textures; its fixing minor problems that are present when working with two completely independent sims.
FSX is not the evil entity that many people make it out to be. It doesn't have more problems, they're just different. It wouldn't kill you to try FSX, and no, the un pached demo does not count.
I wouldn't hang my hat on Microsoft Flight my friend. A different team is developing it and it will likely be completely different than the ACES products.
I'd rather leave the hobby at all. ;D
What a loss.
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I have bought all FSDT sceneries! But I will stop buying only FSX version!!!
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Thanks.
I hope you'll find a solution for FS2004 - there is still a huge market for FS2004 large IFR commercial airports. And finally, with MF announced, I personally don't see any benefits over the costs (both monetary and labor-related) of switching to FSX with the new platform coming in next 24 months. I'd rather leave the hobby at all. ;D
PS. Well, if FS2004 tex-res for new KLAX will be the same quality as FS2004 DFW has, I will be more than happy.
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I 100 % agree. If you can make LAX like the DTW that will fine.. We fs9 user don't demand so much ;)
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Wonderful news that finally a version of KLAX for FSX is being made. And if FPS is increasing by using higher resolution textures, this seems like a winner already. Looking forward to the release. :)
Please include AES support for this airport (that's the icing on the cake).
Jon
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I 100 % agree. If you can make LAX like the DTW that will fine.. We fs9 user don't demand so much ;)
We can't, please re-read this explanation:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3601.msg31799#msg31799
So, it's either KLAX in 4x less resolution, or it's not KLAX at all.
As I've said, we simply can't decide now, without looking how it will look like at reduced resolution in FS9. If it will look decent (let's say, not worse than the Cloud9 version, but with the upgraded airport), we'll release it.
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I 100 % agree. If you can make LAX like the DTW that will fine.. We fs9 user don't demand so much ;)
We can't, please re-read this explanation:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3601.msg31799#msg31799
So, it's either KLAX in 4x less resolution, or it's not KLAX at all.
As I've said, we simply can't decide now, without looking how it will look like at reduced resolution in FS9. If it will look decent (let's say, not worse than the Cloud9 version, but with the upgraded airport), we'll release it.
Thank you very much, Umberto
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This is going to make a great pair with the up and coming KSFO and the PMDG 737NGX. Short flights with what should be a great commercial aircraft between great looking airports that are reasonable (ok large) sized hubs. And then of course there's KLAS. Now if someone would just fill in a few of the smaller airports around California, we'd be all set.
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C'mon Man !!!
You got to have LAX on FS9, i don't care if it looks like KDFW modeling.
We need a good replacement of that Cloud9 and FS9 is my airliner platform.....using that scenery for my international flights.
You can fly anywhere using the KLAX hub utilizing other great scenery addons in FS9 from short haul to Vegas or long haul to Melbourne.
KLAX is currently under construction and they are increasing the size of the Tom Bradley international, more taxi ways and terminal dockings to handle more A380 aircraft (KAL, UAE and LH) that are going to start flying in LAX by 2011-2012.
Are these going to be included on this project?
thanks,
Kin M.
(KLAX)
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We need a good replacement of that Cloud9
Buy FSX! ;D
If FSDT releases an FS9 version with 25% resolution of FSX version, you won't be happy.
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W00T! Great Job guys! Cant wait for the KMIA Backdoor! ;)
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I hope there is a KMIA Backdoor as well.
The new LAX looks like its off to a great start. Another scenery I cant wait to get.
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Bruce,
I have FSX and been using it for VFR and Carrier operations flights.
I know the resolution detail and all that good stuff that you can get on FSX.
Is the idea of putting something out there that people are looking forward and will end up on one platform.
The resolution will not make any difference, nobody is going be flying around LAX airport to enjoy that.
As long as that there is a new FS9 LAX airport scenery, that utilizes the style of work that FSDreamteam are great for would be nice.
Kin M.
(KLAX)
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We need a good replacement of that Cloud9
Buy FSX! ;D
If FSDT releases an FS9 version with 25% resolution of FSX version, you won't be happy.
Some of us are net ready to let go of a great sim I have tried FSX and I do not like it. I can get 30-40fps on my current pc I just do not like the platform I still prefer FS9 not to mention not enough airports for FSX I fly in the USA for me to justify moving to FSX full time. Sure we have LAX and SFO under development I will hold out and see what FSDT can work out for textures.
Sean
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Bruce,
I have FSX and been using it for VFR and Carrier operations flights.
I know the resolution detail and all that good stuff that you can get on FSX.
Is the idea of putting something out there that people are looking forward and will end up on one platform.
The resolution will not make any difference, nobody is going be flying around LAX airport to enjoy that.
As long as that there is a new FS9 LAX airport scenery, that utilizes the style of work that FSDreamteam are great for would be nice.
Kin M.
(KLAX)
Roger that ;) well said +10000000000000000000000 times.
I have spend more than 2500$ over 5 years on fs9. Should I start ALL over now and start all over again when AS12 or MS11 comes out?? Are U people insane??
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W00T! Great Job guys! Cant wait for the KMIA Backdoor! ;)
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I hope there is a KMIA Backdoor as well.
The new LAX looks like its off to a great start. Another scenery I cant wait to get.
well its up to them but KLAX is a great choice :)
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Could u please make KLAX compatiable with FS2002 :o
Thanks
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Bruce,
I have FSX and been using it for VFR and Carrier operations flights.
I know the resolution detail and all that good stuff that you can get on FSX.
Is the idea of putting something out there that people are looking forward and will end up on one platform.
The resolution will not make any difference, nobody is going be flying around LAX airport to enjoy that.
As long as that there is a new FS9 LAX airport scenery, that utilizes the style of work that FSDreamteam are great for would be nice.
Kin M.
(KLAX)
Roger that ;) well said +10000000000000000000000 times.
I have spend more than 2500$ over 5 years on fs9. Should I start ALL over now and start all over again when AS12 or MS11 comes out?? Are U people insane??
Frank,you might not have to spend that much just to switch over to FSX(in of it self) ???
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I have spend more than 2500$ over 5 years on fs9. Should I start ALL over now and start all over again when AS12 or MS11 comes out?? Are U people insane??
Who said anything about starting over? I have FS9 and FSX both running merrily along on the same computer. If I'm still simming when AS12 comes out, I'll add it to my system and keep both MS products as well. If you're expecting Flight to be FS11, I think you'll be sadly disappointed. It looks like an online game, not a simulator.
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If you're expecting Flight to be FS11, I think you'll be sadly disappointed. It looks like an online game, not a simulator.
I thought that MS has already dispelled that rumor with this quote from them: "The new “Microsoft Flight” retains the full fidelity simulation longtime fans have come to expect while offering all players a whole new look and feel, a wide range of new game play and challenges, persistent experiences and social connectivity. "
Since they say it will retain the "full fidelity simulation that longtime fans come to expect", I would take it to mean that it will have a free flight mode like FSX has, but if you want, you can fly online or use its missions or gaming aspects as well if you wish.
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I have to agree.
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Looks nice......................... will take ages to finish but will worth the final result!
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Since they say it will retain the "full fidelity simulation that longtime fans come to expect", I would take it to mean that it will have a free flight mode like FSX has, but if you want, you can fly online or use its missions or gaming aspects as well if you wish.
What about the "whole new look and feel" part? Just upgrading graphics doesn't change the look and feel, sounds like it will be gamey and cartoonish to me. I guess proof is in the pudding.
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Im glad LAX is in production. Its gonna be great flying from FLL to LAX to LAS. ;D
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Yes!!! My dreams have come true; the best airport made by the best scenery developers!
I am really excited for the release! ;D
nahh,RSW,MHT,BOS,And SRQ are the best ;D....o and PGD
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what a shame I was hoping miami international airport, but I hope that some companies decide to do it for fsx feer greetings ..
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nahh,RSW,MHT,BOS,And SRQ are the best ;D....o and PGD
You are joking, right? MHT? :D
There are a couple of very poor freeware renditions available for FS9, if you want it that badly.
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nahh,RSW,MHT,BOS,And SRQ are the best ;D....o and PGD
You are joking, right? MHT? :D
There are a couple of very poor freeware renditions available for FS9, if you want it that badly.
I already do have it ;D...but it would be nice if FSDT or FlyTampa would do it...
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I don't see any thing wrong with MHT. Doing small airports has an important link to the larger airports as such etc.... :)
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nahh,RSW,MHT,BOS,And SRQ are the best ;D....o and PGD
You are joking, right? MHT? :D
There are a couple of very poor freeware renditions available for FS9, if you want it that badly.
yep
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I don't see any thing wrong with MHT. Doing small airports has an important link to the larger airports as such etc.... :)
Thank You :)
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Does anyone have an idea if KLAX will probably work okay with MegaSceneryX - So Cal.
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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Does anyone have an idea if KLAX will probably work okay with MegaSceneryX - So Cal.
Thank you
Michael Cubine
You might have to wait awhile down the line as LAX progress thru development. :-\
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Does anyone have an idea if KLAX will probably work okay with MegaSceneryX - So Cal.
Thank you
Michael Cubine
You might have to wait awhile down the line as LAX progress thru development. :-\
Yep that's true we wont really know till the scenery is complete I dont see why it wouldn't work there might be a few files that will have to be disabled
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Looks great!! I hope you do make a FS9 scenery for this airport :) I don't have money to upgrade....again.
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PUP4ORD, Silver bird
Thanks for the information.
Michael Cubine
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how much time take to finish this project
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Great news!
My next purchase from FSDT and looking forward for many turn arounds between KLAS and KLAX with my NGX (when it comes out ::) )
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how much time take to finish this project
They barely started, so figure 3 to 4 months.
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how much time take to finish this project
As developers of any project will always say,
"It will be done when it's done."
BL.
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if the FSDT team needs any pictures of the LAX airport or the area around the airport including the plane spotter areas please let me know I would be happy to take some pictures for you.
Sincerely
Edgar
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if the FSDT team needs any pictures of the LAX airport or the area around the airport including the plane spotter areas please let me know I would be happy to take some pictures for you.
Sincerely
Edgar
That would be cool Edgar, its tough getting photos of terminals. most photos are of planes taking off landing etc etc. so that would help them allot.
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Yes!!! My dreams have come true; the best airport made by the best scenery developers!
I am really excited for the release! ;D
well i am glad about it too but dont know for fsx only or for both fsx and fs9 :'( :'( :'( :'( ??? ??? ??? ??? :'( :'( :-\ :-\
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Yes!!! My dreams have come true; the best airport made by the best scenery developers!
I am really excited for the release! ;D
well i am glad about it too but dont know for fsx only or for both fsx and fs9 :'( :'( :'( :'( ??? ??? ??? ??? :'( :'( :-\ :-\
Let's wait and see what happens :)
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If it's not possible for you to do a new FS9 Version, is there any chance upgrade the old C9 Version of KLAX for AES?
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If it's not possible for you to do a new FS9 Version, is there any chance upgrade the old C9 Version of KLAX for AES?
IMHO, it wouldn't be worth it. There are too many changes to LAX that would still make the C9 scenery obsolete.
BL.
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If it's not possible for you to do a new FS9 Version, is there any chance upgrade the old C9 Version of KLAX for AES?
I would happy if they would go back aand update the C9 version. I would even be willing to buy it all over again. Then again, if they were to do KIAH after KLAX, I might think about moving away from FS9. Maybe?! ::)
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If it's not possible for you to do a new FS9 Version, is there any chance upgrade the old C9 Version of KLAX for AES?
I would happy if they would go back aand update the C9 version. I would even be willing to buy it all over again. Then again, if they were to do KIAH after KLAX, I might think about moving away from FS9. Maybe?! ::)
If it's not possible for you to do a new FS9 Version, is there any chance upgrade the old C9 Version of KLAX for AES?
I would happy if they would go back aand update the C9 version. I would even be willing to buy it all over again. Then again, if they were to do KIAH after KLAX, I might think about moving away from FS9. Maybe?! ::)
Blueprint is releasing KIAH tommorow. :)