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Products Support => GSX Support MSFS => Topic started by: virtuali on August 23, 2022, 02:03:48 am
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After collecting all evidence and reports from users, we can confirm most of the problems users had, were related to their local Cloudflare nodes still outdated, so they weren't getting the same files we had on our servers.
This would sometimes (not always) appear as the Live Updater trying to downloading the same files over and over, which is not a bug, is in fact an indication the Live Updater is working, because it knows your files are old, it tries to download the new ones, but it get served with the same version, so it tries again the next time, and again.
To fix this issue, we made a very simple OFFLINE Installer, available here (it's the same file in two separate places, so you only need one:
Download from Mediafire.com
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fqi00a0noyhcjgm/Addon_Manager.exe/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/fqi00a0noyhcjgm/Addon_Manager.exe/file)
Download from Box.com
https://app.box.com/s/qm8yng7m0tcfad9s7vxr19kn61mgabl9 (https://app.box.com/s/qm8yng7m0tcfad9s7vxr19kn61mgabl9)
This offline installer will make do until we'll be reasonably sure almost all Cloudflare nodes have been updated. You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
IMPORTANT NOTE: The Airport Services and Jetways sceneries ZIP files are supposed to be always downloaded, this is normal. Those kind of files are thousands of very small files that compress very well, so we found it was faster to always redownload them as single ZIP files, then check thousands of individual files if they are in need of an update.
Unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries bought on the MS Marketplace will also be downloaded every time, this is also normal.
This Offline installer will only update the complete GSX code. It doesn't contain updates to object models or textures or new operators. Those are only available through the normal online Installer/Updater.
March 21st, 2024
- GSX Pro New: New method to start and restart the Couatl engine, using an auxiliary helper program which will be started by the sim (couatl64_boot.exe), which will monitor the Couatl engine and will restart it automatically. The program will exit automatically when the MSFS session ends.
- GSX Pro Change: Windows 8 Compatibility setting enabled again following user's feedback. The new restart method using the helper program, should fix any issues of the Couatl engine missing on arrival in any case.
- GSX (all versions): Some GSX settings that might affect 3rd party automations can be read and optionally set:
FSDT_GSX_SETTINGS_AUTOMODE = Read the Auto mode services setting.
FSDT_GSX_SET_AUTOMODE = Set to -1 to Disable Automode and 1 to Enable it.
FSDT_GSX_SETTINGS_PROGRESS_REFUEL = Read Progressive Refuel setting.
FSDT_GSX_SET_PROGRESS_REFUEL = Set to -1 to Disable it and 1 to Enable it.
FSDT_GSX_SETTINGS_DETECT_CUST_REFUEL = Read Detect Custom Refuel setting.
FSDT_GSX_SET_DETECT_CUST_REFUEL = Set to -1 to Disable it and 1 to Enable it.
When any of the SET variables are set to either -1 or 1, their fields in the GSX Setting page will be greyed out, so the user will know they have been set externally from an application. They will be reset to 0 when GSX restarts, usually when the airplane is unloaded.
- GSX Pro (Change): Updated manual documenting these new Developer features.
UPDATE: March 11th, 2024
- GSX Pro New: The number of Baggage/Cargo Carts will be variable depending on Payload, using either the actual values in the sim, or the planned Payload on Simbrief.
- GSX Pro New: Passenger boarding sound attenuation based on the internal Cockpit door status added for Leonardo MD8x, Justflight 146 and F28.
- GSX Pro Change: American-style Catering truck can now service airplanes with Services doors starting from 2.70mt from ground (737 and up). Half-platformed version will only be used when the service door height is lower.
- GSX Pro Fix: Calculation of model rules scoring, which resulted in Catering trucks from the wrong region to appear.
- GSX Pro Fix: Search for airplane variations optimized.
- GSX Pro Fix: Removed Win8 Compatibility flag from the Couatl engine, which will fix crashes that sometimes happened when selecting a gate.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Handling operators: AVX (Mexico), LGSTX Services (USA), POI Aviation (Marianas).
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Catering operators: ATS (Fiji), Evergreen (Taipei), CLS Catering (Canada), Hacor (USA).
- GSX Pro NEW: Passengers Boarding/Deboarding sounds set to a very low level if the Cockpit door is closed. Supported with Fenix A320 B2, Microsoft ATR, iniBuilds A300/310.
- GSX Pro Fix: Airplane bump with possible disengaging of services when exiting QuickEdit Pushback.
- GSX (all versions) Fix: BELT loader type not selectable in the Airplane configuration page.
- FSDT Installer: Changed Installer to run even without Admin permissions.
UPDATE: February 24th, 2024
- GSX Pro New: New Freeway 2458Pe Staircase, to service airplanes from 737 up to A330. The new Passengers Stair is available in two variants, depending on weather, with the Covered version used when it’s either raining/snowing, or the temperature is lower than 5°C or higher than 22°C.
- GSX Pro New: Support for external add-on packages. Now 3rd party developers can create GSX add-on packages that can be installed in the Community folder alongside GSX, with new custom vehicles and operators.
- GSX Pro New: Support for model and texture custom rules provided by add-on packages, so they can add local and plane-specific vehicle models with their own selection rules.
- GSX Pro New: Passengers animation system improved, with passengers being able to recognize the airplane door and internal ceiling height, and crouch if required (depending on their own individual height).
- GSX Pro New: Height of the airplane internal ceiling added to the airplane profile.
- GSX Pro New: Airplane doors now have a height parameter in the airplane profile. The door editing pointer has been changed, to show a vertical ruler to help measuring the door’s height.
- GSX Pro New: Added airplane type conditions to stairs, to allow airplane-specific stair types.
- GSX (FSX/P3D): Safegate3 VGDS backported from MSFS, to allow Simbrief information in FSX/P3D.
- GSX (all versions) New: Support for airplane groups, to allow airport customization and custom stop distances to be specified in groups, in addition to specific airplane types.
- GSX Pro New: Updated Manual, covering the new features added with this update, and an expanded Troubleshooting section.
- GSX (all versions) New: Two new voices variants added for Deicing with American English accent.
- GSX (all versions) New: New voice variant for Pushback with American English, and two (Male and Female) Pushback voices in Indian English accent.
- GSX Pro Fix: Improved passenger walking and turning when Jetway last waypoint is very close to the airplane door.
- GSX Pro Fix: When Simconnect fail to respond for more than 10 seconds, the Couatl engine will try to disconnect and reconnect entirely and, if the connection still won’t come up, the program will automatically Restart, which should help with the GSX Toolbar Menu being stuck on Loading.
- GSX Pro Fix: To prevent a “Tasklet error” happening when the simulator first connects, but was particularly slow to start, GSX now waits for the sim to arrive at the Main Menu, before doing any activity, which should fix the Tasklet error on start.
- GSX Pro Change: All Airport Service files updated with the latest operators and the new Passenger Stair model.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Handling operators: SABSA, Naabol, BoA, Ecojet (Bolivia), Qantas Link, Winkel Aviation Services (Australia), TDC (St. Kitts Nevis, Anguilla), Caribbean Aircraft Handling (Barbados), Taescol, SAI (Colombia), QAS (Qatar), Gagarin Handling (Russia), MGH Handling, Aeroport (Moldova), Emery Air, ABX Air (USA), Aalborg (Denmark), Kosice Airport (Slovakia).
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Catering operators: Etihad Catering (UAE).
- FSDT Installer Change: More optimized handling of Html connections, to speed downloading lots of smaller files, and several speed improvements.
UPDATE - January 12th, 2024
GSX (all versions) New: Pushback "Return to Parking" now always available on every Pushback Slot (Left, Right QuickEdit, or Additional), as long they have been customized in non-Snap mode.
GSX (all versions) New: Warning to wait to start engines until after Pushback is completed in Icing condition has been made optional, with an option in the Airplane profile (to allow simulating different Airline SOPs) and a global option in the settings, which will take priority over the option in the airplane profile.
GSX Pro New: New option in the taxi menu, to Show the parking spot and activate the gate at the same time.
GSX (all versions) New: Added new aural warning message in case the airplane is not parked precisely enough on a Cargo Stand (FSDT KSDF).
GSX Pro New: Added support for Cargo Loaders stopping before an airplane extensible railing on their Main Cargo door (A300), so they can line up better.
GSX Pro Fix: Cargo Ladder stairs used at Cargo Stands (UPS Worldport at FSDT KSDF) animation fixed.
GSX Pro Fix: Prevent error when editing a custom Pushback on a scenery that has been reported having bad data (unconnected links, missing taxiways, etc.).
GSX (all versions) Fix: Prevent error if pushback has been Disabled on gate.
GSX Pro Fix: Error message when bad Jetway data come from Simconnect.
GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Handling operators: National Jet Express (Australia), Rex updated logo (Australia), Dubrovnik (Croatia).
GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Catering operators: Rex (Australia), Lion Air Group Catering (Indonesia).
GSX Pro New: Updated Manual, covering the Reverse Pushback feature and a list of Airplane IDs used by VGDS, useful as a reference for profile creators.
FSDT Live Update New: The "Exclude 3rd Party" option will now automatically Exclude airports that comes with custom Airport Services.
UPDATE - December 24th, 2023
- GSX (all versions) New: Adding support for Pull during Pushback (Reverse Pushback).
- GSX (all versions) New: Adding "Return to Gate" option at the end of Pushback.
- GSX Pro New: PMDG 737 Integration, added External Power connection when operating Jetways.
- GSX Pro Fix: Jetway connection correctly detected when restarting the Couatl engine when a Jetway is already connected.
- GSX Pro Fix: Several timing tweaks added to prevent editing markers being left on ground after exit any editor.
- GSX (all versions) Fix: Interrupt Pushback before the Tug connects.
- GSX Pro Fix: Fixed FSDT KEYW install detection.
- GSX (all versions) NEW:Added the following Handling operators: Lodz Airport (Poland), Frankfurt Hahn (Germany), ThaiAir Asia (Thailand), Maman Cargo (Israel), London City Airport (UK), JetCenters of Colorado (USA).
- FSDT KORD V2 NEW: Default GSX Profile for MSFS updated with many Push-Pull procedures.
UPDATE - December 13th, 2023
- GSX PRO New: Cargo Airplanes that don’t use ULDs, will now show Packages being loaded with the Conveyor Belt loader, instead of Luggage.
- GSX PRO Change: Skin textures for some GSX Crew characters tweaked to appear less shiny.
- GSX Pro Change: The PMDG integration will not set Payload or Fuel automatically if the existing value is already very close (within 10 kg) of the planned quantity on Simbrief.
- GSX Pro Fix: PMDG integration will default to Imperial Units, to prevent conversion error from Simbrief planned Payload/Fuel, when no saved configuration for that loaded airframe is found.
- GSX (FSX/P3D) Fix: Airplane stuck with simulation Disabled at the end of a Pushback when using a Towbarless tug with the “Pushback Raise” option enabled in the airplane profile.
- GSX Pro Fix: Added exception to prevent removal of support ground vehicles in FSS airplanes.
- GSX Pro Change: Some optimizations in VGDS text displays to improve responsivity.
- GSX PRO New: The “UPS man” character used at Cargo Stands in FSDT KSDF has been remade from scratch for MSFS, replacing the previous version which was converted from FSX/P3D. An update to the airport will follow up to make the feature fully usable as it was in the FSX/P3D version.
- GSX PRO New: Added SWS PC12 to GSX Internal Airplane Database.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Handling operators: VIAGS Handling (Vietnam), Thai Lion Air, BAGS (Thailand), Uplift Aviation Services, Romanian Airport Services, GlobeGround (Romania), LGS Handling (Cyprus), United Ground Express, Flight Services & Systems, United 1970/1990/2000 (USA), Leipzig-Halle Airport (Germany), Corporate Air, Altitude Island Logistics (Australia), UAB Handelshus (Lithuania), Roscosmos (Russia), Sagat (Italy).
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Catering operators: Airo Catering Services Lietuva (Lithuania), Cabin Services Australia, Air Gourmet Hellas (Greece).
UPDATE - November 20th, 2023
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Ignore Crew in Boarding/Deboarding option - Enabling it will always skip Boarding/Deboarding of Crew/Pilots.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Disable GSX in Cruise option - Now can be set from the Settings page, with no need to edit the couatladdons.ini file.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: New Pushback type preference: Disabled (in addition to Any/Towbar/Towbarless), completely disables Pushback on selected gates, without creating a Tug, useful to simulate "Taxi-Out" gates where Pushback is never used, removing the need for profile creators to "hide" the Tug behind buildings.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Handling operators: Malaysia Airports, POS Aviation, MasKargo (Malaysia).
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Catering operators: VACS Vietnam Airlines Caterers.
- GSX Pro NEW: Internal Support for Microsoft/Inibuilds A320 V2 Neo (requires SU14 Beta).
- GSX (all versions) Change: Don't ask "Do you want to request Pushback?", on a Parking spot with a "NONE" preference, with any QuickEdit/Custom pushback defined.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Handling operators: Cornwall Airport Newquay (UK), Olsztyn Mazury (Poland), Southwest 1971/2001 (USA), Khrabrovo, Magnitogorsk, Pobedilovo, Roshino, Salekhard, Strigino, Vnukovo (Russia).
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Catering operators: Cornwall Airport Newquay (UK), Southwest 1971/2001 (USA), Strigino, Vnukovo (Russia).
- GSX Pro NEW: Updated manual with a list of all current Handling and Catering operators available.
UPDATE - November 10th, 2023
- GSX (all versions) Fix: Airplane lowered back to ground on enter/exit the QuickEdit Pushback editor when using a Towbarless tug.
- GSX (all versions) Fix: Airplane not raised again when using a Towbarless Tug with the "Continue Pushback".
- GSX (all versions) Fix: Correct handling of Audio devices with names using non-ASCII characters.
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Handling operators: Beauvais Airport (France), Swedavia Yellow livery (Sweden), Nas-Colossal (South Africa), Koltsovo, Krasnoyarsk, Murmansk, Novisibrsk, Orenburg, Orsk, Samara, Saratov, UFA, Ulyanovsk (Russia).
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the following Catering operators: Brahim’s (Malaysia), Pol-Trans (Poland), Krasnoyarsk, Murmansk, Novisibrsk (Russia).
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Thank you for this file, Umberto.
The way of using confuses me a little bit: I execute the installer and I can see that it copies a lot of files in my FSDT-folder. After that I opened the FSDT installer link and the window opens there I can update and config GSX and the other FSDT-products. Pushing the update-button for GSX a lot of files were copied, but it happens so quick, I can't difference a lot.
Now I'm confused: is the node, where my files were downloaded from an outdate one, so I have older files back again? For security I executed the offline installer again.
I'm not sure if I ever will be able meeting a situation where nothing ill be downloaded after using the offline manager; maybe a half of a day later new files are at the the servers already.
This takes me to a next question: where can I see if my FSDT-products are actually and the latest ones? I can push the update buttons ten times a day and everytime files will be downloaded and installed.
Kai
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That's why I wrote:
This offline installer will make do until we'll be reasonably sure almost all Cloudflare nodes have been updated. You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
This means, until you see the Live Update not downloading anything, because your local node finally got the same files of the offline installer, running the offline installer should be always the last thing you do.
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Ive tried this but it will download anyway everything again?
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Ive tried this but it will download anyway everything again?
That's why in my previous post I said:
until you see the Live Update not downloading anything, because your local node finally got the same files of the offline installer, running the offline installer should be always the last thing you do.
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I understand the way of working of the offlineinstaller.
But as far as I know it is a static thing, containg files from today. If I run the liveinstaller let's say on Wednesday, it will problably overrides the files from today. How will I know then, if there a later (newer) files on the server than today or the node still doesn't contain the actual files yet?
Kai
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If I run the liveinstaller let's say on Wednesday, it will problably overrides the files from today. How will I know then, if there a later (newer) files on the server than today or the node still doesn't contain the actual files yet?
And that's precisely why, in the above instructions, there's this line:
You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
I think this information, added to to the previous "until you see the Live Update not downloading anything, because your local node finally got the same files of the offline installer, running the offline installer should be always the last thing you do" sentence, should clarify what you are supposed to do.
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Thanks, this solved the issue which I've experienced since the day of release. 8)
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I too am wondering how we will know when/if to update from the Live Update tool and maybe I can help summarize what folks are asking here. Please though help and correct anything if I am missing the point someone is particularly after but:
At some point in time there should be updates that you publish which will make the static (Offline) installer files provided here on this thread obsolete / old, correct? We will want to make sure we have the latest version of the GSX application. What will be the plan for distributing those updates to us end users? Will you simply publish another offline installer with the updated files on this thread, or do you think that will happen at a time after replication completes to all the Cloudflare nodes?
If you think it will likely occur after the replication to all the Cloudflare nodes completes, then what would be the best way for users to know this? Will you announce that folks should return to using the 'FSDTLiveUpdate.exe' to get the latest files or is there some way that end users are able to inspect the version of their local files to the version of the most recently published files by the FSDT team to see that an update is required and to know for sure if that an update download completed successfully. I think this has been the challenge with the update tool's current design as the only way to know if you have outdated files that need to be updated is to let the update run and try to watch and see if files are downloaded or not. This is currently further challenged with the Cloudflare nodes not yet in sync causing some users to not receive required files (if I am correctly understanding matters at present).
Maybe a simple enhancement here is to add a product version ID to the tool that shows your local installed version VS the most recent and available for download version.
Also one additional question: When you do publish a new update to the GSX program, do we expect to have a similar issue with Cloudflare nodes being out of sync across the network? Why did we have this issue with the initial release and what should we expect for future incremental updates?
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I executed the installer, but nothing changed. Unfortunately, I still keep getting the same (Couatl engine hasn't started ) error at all airports.
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:( these installers have done nothing new for GSX in fact now its not even appearing to be installed and my universal installer appears as such (see attached with all objects hidden.
Regards,
EH
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GSX now works in MSFS only if I manually start coutal64_MSFS manually. I don't believe that I should have to do that.
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I executed the installer, but nothing changed. Unfortunately, I still keep getting the same (Couatl engine hasn't started ) error at all airports.
Then you should post your log, as explained in the other sticky thread named "Couatl engine hasn't started - How to report a problem "
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i try this offline installer but my live update continue to download and then closes (it's like a crash).
Any advices?
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i try this offline installer but my live update
Please re-read my previous posts: you are not supposed to run the Live Update. The offline installer should be the last thing you do.
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ok but still not memorize the work made in the 3d editor when i customize the PMDG 737-600. Every time that a new session in MSFS not memorize the aircraft customized.
any advices?
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ok but still not memorize the work made in the 3d editor when i customize the PMDG 737-600. Every time that a new session in MSFS not memorize the aircraft customized.
That's why I said you shouldn't do it. You NEED a base configuration, which you can't do yourself. I'm working on the 737-600 right now, and it edits and saves and works just fine.
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ok are you going to post it when the profile is done?
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ok are you going to post it when the profile is done?
It will included both in the Live Update and in updated version of the Offline installer.
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Is manual starting if C outl64_MSFS going to be a permanent thing? Or will there be a new installer for both MSFS and P3d that will fix all the problems without workarounds?
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Is manual starting if C outl64_MSFS going to be a permanent thing? Or will there be a new installer for both MSFS and P3d that will fix all the problems without workarounds?
That's nothing we can fix ( in MSFS ), because the failure to start items in the EXE.XML is a known bug that can affect any add-on, like Fenix, Honeycomb, etc. Microsoft is aware of that.
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Hey :)
I used this installer today - installed everything fine but when i click the GSX menu in MSFS i get this error in the logs:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ".\common\criticalsection.py", line 23, in _synchronized
File ".\common\mpmenu.py", line 123, in emulateMenu_MSFS
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Addon Manager/MSFS/fsdreamteam-gsx-pro/html_ui/InGamePanels/FSDT_GSX_Panel/menu'
{'Airport': 'EGLL', 'User Pos': (51.46925594857397, -0.4865166666667162, 26.6563 m, 2.96961 m, 359.79541646900566, 0.013430314138531685, 0.001745329238474369, 0.0, 3.18211187210083, 1.0)}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<string>", line 28, in OnExit
File ".\GSX\__init__.py", line 629, in onAppQuit
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Addon Manager/MSFS/fsdreamteam-gsx-pro/html_ui/InGamePanels/FSDT_GSX_Panel/tooltip'
Any idea how i give it permission?
EDIT: Giving the Couatl64_MSFS.exe file 'run as administrator' got it working :)
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EDIT: Giving the Couatl64_MSFS.exe file 'run as administrator' got it working :)
Good to know it worked, but you should always have write permissions there. The installer should have set them.
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EDIT: Giving the Couatl64_MSFS.exe file 'run as administrator' got it working :)
Good to know it worked, but you should always have write permissions there. The installer should have set them.
ah that's interesting... it didn't set them for me.
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Not sure how to use this offline installer. In C Program files Add On Manager I see two installers Couatl_Updater and Couatl_Updater2 so which one to use ?
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Not sure how to use this offline installer. In C Program files Add On Manager I see two installers Couatl_Updater and Couatl_Updater2 so which one to use ?
Neither. You use the installer posted in the first post.
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I'm playing both GSX for MSFS and P3D. After I installed this offline updates, my GSX work great for MSFS. But it doesn't work for P3D. I'm so disapointed, hoping this issue will be fix soon
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Please post any issue related to P3D in the relevant forum, we are working through them as they are reported.
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Virtuali, many thanks for your feedback, answers and support on this board and, obviously, GSX itself. Probably been a very busy and, at times, trying week for you but your patience has remained throughout.
Many thanks.
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When will we know all cloud nodes are the same please
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When will we know all cloud nodes are the same please
Quoting from instructions posted on top:
You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
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How do we know to get the installer Offline Updated?
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How do we know to get the installer Offline Updated?
You are posting inside the Sticky thread that contains it. First post, of course.
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Not sure how to use this offline installer. In C Program files Add On Manager I see two installers Couatl_Updater and Couatl_Updater2 so which one to use ?
Neither. You use the installer posted in the first post.
I feel like I am going in circles here. I did download the add on manager in your first post and it is now in my program files as "addon manager". In that folder are a ton of files including two execs. So the one I downloaded just replaced or updated the "addon manager" that was already there.
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So the one I downloaded just replaced or updated the "addon manager" that was already there.
The one you downloaded, assuming you started, has updated many files that were already there that might have not be fully updated by the online process so, assuming you started it and it didn't report any problems or errors, there's nothing else you are supposed to do, just run the simulator and call GSX.
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Umberto,
I do not understand the update procedure.
1. Do I need to run the FSDT Installer shortcut from my Start menu?
2. Or should I run the FSDT Live Update?
3. Maybe both?
4. When do I need the offline installer and why?
5. How do I know when there is something that needs updating? "You will notice when files are not downloaded" - I have NO IDEA when anything downloads or not. I just see progress bars doing something. Can we not have a message e.g. "there are new files, please update"?
I realize this is obvious to you, because you wrote this, but it really is very unintuitive and I just do not understand the update process at all.
Please release some sort of tutorial or step-by-step instructions.
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1. Do I need to run the FSDT Installer shortcut from my Start menu?
2. Or should I run the FSDT Live Update?
There's no difference, it's the same program, the Live Update does everything automatically, the Installer let's you choose what to updated and has many other options.
4. When do I need the offline installer and why?
When your local cloudflare node is still not fully updated, which you can verify if you notice any of the updaters is seemingly downloading the same files, over and over.
5. How do I know when there is something that needs updating? "You will notice when files are not downloaded" - I have NO IDEA when anything downloads or not
Both updaters have a text area showing everything that's going on. If you don't see anything there, just a progress bar, IT'S GOOD, it means your local nodes *are* fully updated so, there's nothing to download. The problem is only if you see the same files downloading over and over, but that doesn't affect everybody, and in a few days it won't affect anybody.
I realize this is obvious to you, because you wrote this, but it really is very unintuitive and I just do not understand the update process at all.
It's extremely easy to use, assuming the servers are not acting up, then all things breaks. That's why there's an Offline installer as an alternative.
Please release some sort of tutorial or step-by-step instructions.
https://youtu.be/24QK9Xkqejg (https://youtu.be/24QK9Xkqejg)
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Working since the latest patch. Still needs some fine tuning.
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- Support for PMDG 737-800
This doesn't work correctly for me. I got 3 sets of stairs at the aircraft, 2 doors are open and GSX is still asking me to open EXIT 1 and EXIT 3.
EDIT:
Got it to work by reinstalling from offline installer then deleting a custom profile for the 737-800 which I didn't have, and then restarting.
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hello sorry, it doesn't work for me, the stairs are off-center. the 737-800 folder in "virtuali" is not there, how can I fix it?
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hello sorry, it doesn't work for me, the stairs are off-center. the 737-800 folder in "virtuali" is not there, how can I fix it?
That's because internal profiles don't go there, it's included in program, if you run the update.
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hello sorry, it doesn't work for me, the stairs are off-center. the 737-800 folder in "virtuali" is not there, how can I fix it?
That's because internal profiles don't go there, it's included in program, if you run the update.
I launched the offline update downloaded at 20.00, it told me that the 800 profile was present but after updating with the offline exe, it does not work the same
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I launched the offline update downloaded at 20.00, it told me that the 800 profile was present but after updating with the offline exe, it does not work the same
As I've said in another post, I'm sorry, but I must have uploaded the installer without the 737-800 update in it. It's now fixed. The Live Update already had the correct file ( assuming it works from your location )
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I launched the offline update downloaded at 20.00, it told me that the 800 profile was present but after updating with the offline exe, it does not work the same
As I've said in another post, I'm sorry, but I must have uploaded the installer without the 737-800 update in it. It's now fixed. The Live Update already had the correct file ( assuming it works from your location )
i downloaded the exe again and updated, now it works, thanks a lot !!
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Somethings really bugging the FSDT Live Update app. It always crashes at step 1 of 37 at 99% download of the fueltruck.cfg something. This is with firewall and AV turned off and running the app as admin.
Using the latest manual setup installer is the only workaround for me still as of now.
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Thanks @Umberto for getting us new people added into the forums. This is much appreciated. I've also had issues w/ my node not updating as it downloads the same files each time, so I'll just stay with offline installer for now.
Any ideas if the nodes will get rectified (I'm in Dallas, TX for what its worth) or will this be an issue for a while?
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Somethings really bugging the FSDT Live Update app. It always crashes at step 1 of 37 at 99% download of the fueltruck.cfg something. This is with firewall and AV turned off and running the app as admin.
Are you sure it's crashing, not just quitting because it has finished ? Unless you have *ALL* FSDT products installer, you'll never see all steps performed, and after the last product (installed) has been checked for update, it will quit with no errors.
A crash would give some obvious error codes.
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Sorry, ive read through the whole post but for whatever reason i still didnt understand anything. Better said, i just want to be sure we talk about the same.
If you say
"This would sometimes (not always) appear as the Live Updater trying to downloading the same files over and over, which is not a bug, is in fact an indication the Live Updater is working, because it knows your files are old, it tries to download the new ones, but it get served with the same version, so it tries again the next time, and again."
Are we talking about the update of the live updater itself, or the update process of GSX Pro?
Because there are both things, if i see that correct. On iveupdater start it (sometimes) updates itself. But obviously GSX Pro has another check for updates.
And the Liveupdater doesnt download any new files, for itself. But it still does so today for GSX. Im in Germany.
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I've never had a nod issue when trying to update any program before. I bought GSX on day one and it's still updating the same files over and over again. I must say this has been a very frustrating and strange user experience.
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Are we talking about the update of the live updater itself, or the update process of GSX Pro?
As far as GSX Pro is concerned, they do the same. But the Live Update updates all products, so maybe the ones outdated which downloads over and over ( if this is the case for you ), are for another product.
And the Liveupdater doesnt download any new files, for itself. But it still does so today for GSX.
Then it means your node is not updated yet, are you know referring to GSX or GSX Pro ?
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Hi,
About the 737-800 profiles, there is any possibilites to get the profile done for the 737-800BCF and 737-800BDSF ?
Thx for the reponse.
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About the 737-800 profiles, there is any possibilites to get the profile done for the 737-800BCF and 737-800BDSF ?
Already asked, already answered, yes.
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Already asked, already answered, yes.
Thx mate !
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Are we talking about the update of the live updater itself, or the update process of GSX Pro?
As far as GSX Pro is concerned, they do the same. But the Live Update updates all products, so maybe the ones outdated which downloads over and over ( if this is the case for you ), are for another product.
And the Liveupdater doesnt download any new files, for itself. But it still does so today for GSX.
Then it means your node is not updated yet, are you know referring to GSX or GSX Pro ?
Im sorry, i mixed up some words here and there. :-) No way to understand what i really meant. I think im also not sure about the wording of each component. If we talk about Addonmanager, is that the whole app, including liveupdater and installer or is the "Addon Manager" only the installer. Probably weird question, sorry ^^
I didnt really mean liveupdater, not sure why i wrote that word. What i mean is, are we speaking here about the update of the Addonmanager (or Installer) itself, or the update of GSX Pro?
If i simply start the "Installer", i assume there is also some form of update check and a possible update of this installer app itself? So are we talking about this app (the installer/addonmanager) in this topic, or do we talk about the update of GSX Pro?
I ask this because im wondering what to do now. Maybe i think too complicated.
If i start the installer, nothing is happening. No update r something. But then, inside the installer, if i press the update button of GSX Pro, then it will always download some files. Often the same.
So is this download provide here for me to use?
Sorry for the confusion.
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If i start the installer, nothing is happening. No update r something.
That's normal. That's a difference between starting is as an Update or as an Installer ( remember, it's the *same* program! ), is that Install doesn't do anything unless you said so ( other than possibly update *itself* ), the Live Update is 100% equivalent as starting the Installer and Clicking "Update ALL".
But then, inside the installer, if i press the update button of GSX Pro, then it will always download some files. Often the same.[//quote]
That's the situation I tried to describe so many times I lost count: yes, if the same files are downloaded over and over, your local node is not updated, so you need to use the Offline installer.
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What a waste of money! Will uninstall. Chalk it up to experience. Shame on you people.
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So I have downloaded the addon manager and now I am running the appliction - executible file. Am I right that its taking over an hour to download the the whole update? Thanks Pete
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What a waste of money! Will uninstall. Chalk it up to experience. Shame on you people.
It would have been more useful, to you and to others, to say something about the *actual* problems you are having, because the only reason for this forum to exist, is to HELP YOU (and others), to fix those.
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So I have downloaded the addon manager and now I am running the appliction - executible file. Am I right that its taking over an hour to download the the whole update?
You mean the Offline installer ? It's completely offline, it doesn't download anything, it only copies some files to the installation folder, should take less than a minute.
Or, you mean it took an hour to download the executable *itself*, that's strange, we have two mirrors, one on Google another on Mediafire, they are supposed to be very fast, it's only a 120MB file.
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The support of PMDG 737-800 Cargo versions and BBJ2, is included in that profile that you added?
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The support of PMDG 737-800 Cargo versions and BBJ2, is included in that profile that you added?
As already discussed in other threads, not yet, it will be soon.
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Finally got in the forum! Thanks Umberto for getting me in.
So this mixed online and offline installers are a mess to me...
I run the offline installer, and confirmed the update as I got the 737-800 with GSX assets properly set.
But when I run the the FSDT Universal Installer I get... (see attached pic)
So do I need to update? How can one know if the update is needed or not?
It would be easier we we could check version/build number on both installed products and on the avaiable updates.
Thanks
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I'm in the USA and my cloud node still downloads the same files each time, so per Umberto's pinned post, use the offline installer. I try to use it once a day just to be safe until he tells everyone the Live Updater is working for everyone.
If you used the offline installer, then went to LiveUpdater and updated again, it will potentially download "old" files from the live servers, so you'll need to go back to offline installer again.
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I run the offline installer, and confirmed the update as I got the 737-800 with GSX assets properly set. But when I run the the FSDT Universal Installer I get... (see attached pic)
You are not getting anything wrong, see the explanation how the Update button really works here:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26342.msg172428.html#msg172428
How can one know if the update is needed or not?
From the instructions at the top of this thread:
You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
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I have this info always when I load, what can I do.
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I have this info always when I load, what can I do.
That's because you put the wrong path in your Couatl_MSFS.INI file, you set the path for the simulator itself, which we can't write into, so the log *has* been made, but in its default location, which is also indicated in the error.
The error will go away if you remove the Couatl_MSFS.INI file you created, or replace the line with just this:
logFile=Couatl.LOG
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Hi Umberto,
just to be sure when I only have
\FSDT_WorldOfJetways\LIRF_jetways.bgl
DOWNLOADING file F:\Spiele\FS Zusatzsoftware\Addon Manager\MSFS\fsdreamteam-gsx-world-of-jetways\scenery\FSDT_WorldOfJetways\LKPR_jetways.bgl
GSX Pro updated.
DOWNLOADING file F:\Spiele\FS Zusatzsoftware\Addon Manager\model\rules_fueltruck.cfg
in the Online Installer "log" this means that the node I'm updating from is up to date and those 3 files are normal to download?
Cheers
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in the Online Installer "log" this means that the node I'm updating from is up to date and those 3 files are normal to download?
It seems your node is only missing to update those files.
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- GSX Pro FIX: Lowered parking threshold distance to improve detection when two parking spots are very close.
Nice try, but this is still not fixed...
Example LFBZ:
Editing C6 - after being done with the adjusments GSX thinks I'm on C56 (shorter stand next to it).
Editing C7 - after being done with the adjusments GSX thinks I'm on C67 (shorter stand next to it).
It fixed stand C4. Before the update GSX thought I was on stand C34 (angled stand next to it), so I would advise lowering the threshold even further...
Regards, Michael.
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Nice try, but this is still not fixed...
Have you read the explanation here ?
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26847.msg178213.html#msg178213
The distance threshold GSX use to recognize parking not only has been lowered, but it also user-customizable now so, if you fly regularly in airports with many gates very close to each other, you can just lower the value to 15, or maybe 10.
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Thanks!
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Hi Flying FENIX AIRBUS A320 myself but it doesn't seem like Start GPU GSX the whole loading icon hangs I mean restart the whole simulator I think everything must work without problems it's filled with a lot of bugs right from the beginning it's not so fun it works from the beginning like thought to myself
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Hi Flying FENIX AIRBUS A320 myself but it doesn't seem like Start GPU GSX the whole loading icon hangs I mean restart the whole simulator I think everything must work without problems it's filled with a lot of bugs right from the beginning it's not so fun it works from the beginning like thought to myself
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26876.msg175991.html#msg175991
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Just used FSInstaller and got all the new updates! Looks like my node is finally working!! Great job Umberto!
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Ok just to get this correct, after activating the OFFLINE installer I do not run any updater? I read a post here where I think you said if you do run updater it might revert to before the OFFLINE update install.
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Correct.
A way to test if the Live Installer is working is to run it a couple of times -- are you getting the same files downloaded over and over? If so, it seems your node may not be refreshed. If you're trying the Live Installer and you see new files each time, then I think it's working.
If your Live Installer is not working, then your next step is to use the offline installer, let it do its thing and you don't need to run anything again (until the next time they push more updates out, repeat...)
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More precisely, if you run the FSDT Live Update twice in a row, and the 2nd time it doesn't download anything you can be sure your local node is fine, and you are fully updated.
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After the initial Live Update run, mine, and I think other's too, downloads rules_fueltruck.cfg every time, but that's it as far as I can tell.
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respected developer and simmers out there
it was every thing working normal before the last update. now the pmdg boing product i am unable to use this. but incase of finix everything is all right.request u to help me out. if there is any error in the log file request for how to resolve always asking for to stop the engine to stop to use gsx not in case of phinix
thanks
help is much app
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it was every thing working normal before the last update. now the pmdg boing product i am unable to use this. but incase of finix everything is all right.request u to help me out. if there is any error in the log file request for how to resolve always asking for to stop the engine to stop to use gsx not in case of phinix
Be sure the default internal airplane configuration is active. Open the airplane config panel, select RESET and check it says "internal gsx database".
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respected dev
thanks for the reply
sorry to ask from where i should access the airplane config panel . from the msfs bar gsx menu or what. i may be dumb to ask this q, for that i am really sorry,
still need help thanks
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Then I strongly suggest reading the manual first.
There's a button to open the Aircraft configuration in the GSX normal menu, could be your panel is too small you don't see it ? You can resize it.
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Hi. GSX Pro still won't run for me even after running the offline installer.
(this is in MSFS, I don't have P3D installed)
Running GSX as an admin, I get this Coulatl.err:
couatl v4.8 (build 4834)
panic log started on Wed Aug 31 08:32:48 2022
problem raised by addon <unknown>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ".\GSX\__init__.py", line 524, in <lambda>
File ".\common\youcontrol.py", line 243, in showMenusWithSameTag
File ".\common\youcontrol.py", line 84, in showContainer
File ".\GSX\__init__.py", line 971, in checkOnGroundState
File ".\GSX\assistanceServices\__init__.py", line 4042, in aircraftEngaged
File ".\GSX\assistanceServices\__init__.py", line 4136, in materializeTrafficCones
File ".\GSX\assistanceServices\__init__.py", line 4105, in materializeFuelManHole
File ".\common\modelCustomization.py", line 1179, in getModelWithTitle
common.modelCustomization.ModelNotAvailable: No model of title FSDT_Fuel_Hydrant_Chevron
{'Airport': 'EGLL', 'User Pos': (51.468363667776, -0.45445855713248967, 26.2069 m, 2.47056 m, 0.10927778033563965, 0.017046362161636353, 0.024434609338641167, 0.005793410202100793, 2.553919111633301, 1.0)}
Running as the regular user, the .err file ends in this:
Using aircraft data from aircraftDb.py
Specific .cfg file for G-FLAA not found in I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Community\pmdg-aircraft-738\SimObjects\Airplanes\PMDG 737-800, using standard GSX.CFG file
Specific .cfg file for G-FLAA not found in C:\Users\tony\AppData\Roaming\Virtuali/Airplanes\PMDG 737-800, using standard GSX.CFG file
Section [contact_points] contains invalid data at entry point.6
GSX SimStart
User collision geometries reloaded
Loading airport EGLL from \\?\I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Community\inibuilds-airport-egll-london\scenery\inibuilds\EGLL.bgl
Loading user customizations from C:\Users\tony\AppData\Roaming\Virtuali/GSX/MSFS\egll-njda4n.ini
Creating model cache...
No stock rules folder found for textures
No stock rules folder found for models
Model cache created
SharedMemInterface created
Searching for jetways...
510 StaticObject found
Jetway ASO_Jetway at parking Gate 547
Jetway ASO_Jetway at parking Gate 419
onEnteredAirport EGLL
emulateMenu_MSFS
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ".\common\criticalsection.py", line 23, in _synchronized
File ".\common\mpmenu.py", line 123, in emulateMenu_MSFS
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'I:\\Microsoft Flight Simulator\\Packages/MSFS/fsdreamteam-gsx-pro/html_ui/InGamePanels/FSDT_GSX_Panel/menu'
{'Airport': 'EGLL', 'User Pos': (51.468363667776, -0.45445855713248967, 26.2069 m, 2.47056 m, 0.10927778033563965, 0.017046362161636353, 0.024434609338641167, 0.005793410202100793, 2.553919111633301, 1.0)}
Being clear, I'd much rather not run this as admin, it just seemed like it might be needed.
The path at the end of the 2nd log looks odd obviously.
The path should be I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Community\fsdreamteam-gsx-pro\html_ui\InGamePanels\FSDT_GSX_Panel\menu
I can't find an ini file for this, where should the ini file go and does that look like the problem?
Thanks
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Hi. GSX Pro still won't run for me even after running the offline installer
Your error log shows you are missing the whole installation, as if both packages were missing or unlinked to the Community. See here how to do a complete reinstall:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26933.0.html
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respected dev
tried all short of ur advice, but in case of fenix itworks but in case of pmdg the menu opens onece then it told to stop the eng to use gsx.in the pict which option should choose
thanks
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Just saw the last changelog, thanks Umberto!
Is there a way to select the tow truck with a towbar for all the flights?
Great update for SB integration too!
And thanks for the 738 variants! You have done a lot!
Edit: I'm curious, which method are you using now for the pushback?
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with the latest update, the fuel truck with 738 arrives, positions itself but even selecting the quantity to be loaded via gsx nothing happens, it stands still, I state that all the weights on the plane are zero
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I just pushed at CDG but it's very "shaky"
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even selecting the quantity to be loaded via gsx nothing happens
The way the airplane is setup by default, you are not supposed to even see the GSX menu with the quantity! That's not how we configured it and not how the PMDG should be refueled.
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even selecting the quantity to be loaded via gsx nothing happens
The way the airplane is setup by default, you are not supposed to even see the GSX menu with the quantity! That's not how we configured it and not how the PMDG should be refueled.
ok but reading the manual it says to set a minimum quantity of fuel and once the truck arrives, to set the quantity. I did this but nothing changes, so is there a guide to read step by step in addition to the manual? because I can't make it work.
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but reading the manual it says to set a minimum quantity of fuel and once the truck arrives, to set the quantity. I did this but nothing changes, so is there a guide to read step by step in addition to the manual? because I can't make it work.
Yes, that's correct but, it's important you do it *before* you call the GSX truck, and you don't touch it until it arrives and ask you do change the fuel quantity.
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but reading the manual it says to set a minimum quantity of fuel and once the truck arrives, to set the quantity. I did this but nothing changes, so is there a guide to read step by step in addition to the manual? because I can't make it work.
Yes, that's correct but, it's important you do it *before* you call the GSX truck, and you don't touch it until it arrives and ask you do change the fuel quantity.
ok thanks, i will try again
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I just pushed at CDG but it's very "shaky"
I too am having this issue since the last update (today) -- pushback is very shaky and weird. Something isn't working right (PMDG 737-800 w/ latest GSX Pro update from Aug 31, 2022)
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Started at an apron. Requested to operate the stairs i like it to be attached while i do stuffs. Went to input passenger numbers and fuel on the fmc. I changed view to outside to look at my plane from the outside and all of a sudden i heard GSX audio suddenly starting the deboarding process which i did not requested so.
Open the gsx menu to stop it but it is now in a persistant "Loading GSX menu, please wait..." with the loading gui circling. Looking outside people started deboarding out of my aircraft.
Starting "Start Couatl for GSX MSFS" no longer generates a debug window. I lost the ability to restart Couatl now. Force terminating Cuatl exe via task manager and starting it again did nothing. I hate quitting the sim back to menu but i did it anyway.
Did the same spawn at the apron attached the staircase and the annoying gsx started deboarding passengers without me requesting and the gsx menu loading nonstop. The only workaround was to not operate the stairs. Load everything put in the passenger weight fuel etc then manually only then requesting boarding instead the gsx menu wont be stuck in loading state.
Never had this issue until using the August 31st manual installer.
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Started at an apron. Requested to operate the stairs i like it to be attached while i do stuffs. Went to input passenger numbers and fuel on the fmc. I changed view to outside to look at my plane from the outside and all of a sudden i heard GSX audio suddenly starting the deboarding process which i did not requested so.
Are you using the automatic servicing option ?
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respected dev
when i run live update it download same file again and again ,after that i dont find simbrief option but then i run update from fsdt installer menu in game there is option for simbrief.what should be the problem
thanks
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Started at an apron. Requested to operate the stairs i like it to be attached while i do stuffs. Went to input passenger numbers and fuel on the fmc. I changed view to outside to look at my plane from the outside and all of a sudden i heard GSX audio suddenly starting the deboarding process which i did not requested so.
Are you using the automatic servicing option ?
Will take a look on my next flight tomorrow and report back.
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when i run live update it download same file again and again
That is telling your local cloudfare node hasn't been updated yet, so you must download and install the current version of the Offline installer, which will always get you the most current code.
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respected dev
thanks for the reply. will try your advice
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Pushback still “shaky” with this today update?
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Pushback still “shaky” with this today update?
No, it's not. If your live update is not getting the fix, use the offline installer, I just tried a pushback minutes ago, with the PMDG 737, and it works just fine.
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ON Online installer, updated GSX release notes are from today, september 1st. On the offline installer, on both links, release notes are from yesterday.
Is it something missing ?
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Thanks!
Running the offline installer made GSX running again.
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"ON Online installer, updated GSX release notes are from today, september 1st. On the offline installer, on both links, release notes are from yesterday.
Is it something missing ?"
Same here, the update odessey continues...
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to me with the licc scenario of the bmw, it does not show the boarding and disembarkation of the passengers. the baggage loading and the jetways yes, the passengers no.
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Okay, I redownloaded again, trying to start from the offline installer, then updating.
My Addon Manager folder is now just over 9GB and has 37,684 files. Is that a realistic number or half what it should be?
GSX still crashes when I try using it.
Start of log:
couatl v4.8 (build 4834)
panic log started on Thu Sep 1 20:20:10 2022
problem raised by engine or unspecified addon
{}
Simulator version (from MAIN.DLL) is 11.0.282174.999
isPBRAvailable returned False
isRTTAvailable returned False
GetSimObjectsFolder() returned
GetAdditionalSimObjectsFolder() returned
GetAdditionalSimObjectsFolderV5() returned
gateDistanceThreshold = 20
GSX is in trial mode (activation=-1)
GSX SimStart
Error: exception UNRECOGNIZED_ID in call SetDataOnSimObject param #2 '-1813408736'
{}
Error: exception UNRECOGNIZED_ID in call SetDataOnSimObject param #2 '-1813409296'
{}
Airport cache regeneration report:
Folder C:\Users\tony\AppData\Roaming\Virtuali\GSX\MSFS processed in 0 seconds
Folder I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Community\fnx-aircraft-320 processed in 0 seconds
End of log:
Section [contact_points] contains invalid data at entry point.6
User collision geometries reloaded
Loading airport EGLL from \\?\I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Community\inibuilds-airport-egll-london\scenery\inibuilds\EGLL.bgl
Loading user customizations from C:\Users\tony\AppData\Roaming\Virtuali/GSX/MSFS\egll-njda4n.ini
Creating model cache...
No stock rules folder found for textures
No stock rules folder found for models
Model cache created
SharedMemInterface created
Searching for jetways...
498 StaticObject found
Jetway ASO_Jetway at parking Gate 547
Jetway ASO_Jetway at parking Gate 419
onEnteredAirport EGLL
emulateMenu_MSFS
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ".\common\criticalsection.py", line 23, in _synchronized
File ".\common\mpmenu.py", line 123, in emulateMenu_MSFS
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'I:\\Microsoft Flight Simulator\\Packages/MSFS/fsdreamteam-gsx-pro/html_ui/InGamePanels/FSDT_GSX_Panel/menu'
{'Airport': 'EGLL', 'User Pos': (51.46836367267188, -0.4544585456091059, 26.2068 m, 2.47047 m, 0.10681886109914547, 0.017061593011021614, 0.024434609338641167, 0.0057276181303443155, 2.553919111633301, 1.0)}
Can you see what the issue is? Thanks.
edit: So, the complete reinstall took about 16 hours I think, and one thing I should have mentioned is that I only have GSX from FSDT, so all files in the above stats are from GSX.
I have links named fsdreamteam-gsx-pro and fsdreamteam-gsx-world-of-jetways in my Community folder and if I click on them then they show the files that are under the Addon Manager tree.
Also, I do have a license key and entered it on first install. I think the log shows my copy as unlicensed, this may have happened during the reinstall.
Thanks.
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Confirm:
the FSD live Update run ok for me
Updated the gsx and run very well :D
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Also, no matter using online or offline installer I can't get the simbrief status to show up... I don't see any option for it
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Luckily you give us manual updates, after about 2 weeks it seems my local node is still outdated (France).
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My too (London)
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and also same here in Denver, Colorado USA. But offline updates are obviously working and looking great and working perfect.
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Same thing. Also Denver.
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ok so can some of you who are getting this to work tell us exactly what you did from scratch, what file you downloaded from where and what updates you used. Seriously there needs to be some sort of version control with this. I have no idea what version I have and whether it is the latest. Im sure any servers here in Australia dotn have latest version.
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Seriously when you download the offline installer and open it it says the latest version is 1.6 dated August 31st yet at start of this thread you have latest is Sep 1st (without a version). FFS which is it?? This is truly amatuer hour.
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I ran the offline installer downloaded from one of the links in the first post (http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26826.msg175607.html#msg175607) (filename Addon Manager.exe) however, after doing so, I ran as prescribed "FSDT Live Update" for verification.
Every time the live update seems to download and update the same things but at some point (exactly in the point indicated by the image) it closes by itself.
Maybe something wrong?
https://i.ibb.co/XZvvptS/FSDT-Live-Update.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/XZvvptS/FSDT-Live-Update.jpg)
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"ON Online installer, updated GSX release notes are from today, september 1st. On the offline installer, on both links, release notes are from yesterday. Is it something missing ?"
Please clarify this sentence, because I don't understand it.
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Every time the live update seems to download and update the same things but at some point (exactly in the point indicated by the image) it closes by itself.
There's nothing wrong.
The Live Update now always downloads and installs a ZIP file of the current Jetway replacement files and the current Airport services, because we found this is way faster than checking every single file for updates. And as you can see in the update log, it correctly skips file for airport you Disabled.
And, as explained so many times, when the updater has finished, it will just quit. It's not a crash.
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when you download the offline installer and open it it says the latest version is 1.6 dated August 31st yet at start of this thread you have latest is Sep 1st (without a version)
I noticed this too.
Also I found after running the installer there is no "pushback_freeze" config option in Couatladdons.ini as per the release notes in the installer.
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Also I found after running the installer there is no "pushback_freeze" config option in Couatladdons.ini as per the release notes in the installer
That option is OPTIONAL and the default behavior (when NO line is there), is to use the previous pushback method, that *does* freeze the airplane as it always did, which equals to having pushback_freeze = 1 or no line at all.
If you want to *try* the new method, which (depending on the airplane flight model) you can add the line yourself, and set it to 0 but, unless you do that, the line won't appear by itself, so the program will assume it was set to 1.
along with the simbrief status button not appearing in the in-game UI which leads me to believe the current offline installer does not contain the files it should
The Simbrief button won't appear if:
- your GSX panel is not high enough to show it, but you can resize it
- you don't have a Simbrief user name
- you might need to open a 2nd time for the Simbrief button to appear.
I confirm the Offline installer contains all the latest files from September 1st, except the readme. We'll update the readme as well to reduce the confusion.
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Sorry, I've installed several times and am still going round in circles.
The log file says:
File ".\common\criticalsection.py", line 23, in _synchronized
File ".\common\mpmenu.py", line 123, in emulateMenu_MSFS
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'I:\\Microsoft Flight Simulator\\Packages/MSFS/fsdreamteam-gsx-pro/html_ui/InGamePanels/FSDT_GSX_Panel/menu'
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There is a file named 'menu' where you would expect, in the folder:
I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Community\fsdreamteam-gsx-pro\html_ui\InGamePanels\FSDT_GSX_Panel\
The link it created (fsdreamteam-gsx-pro) is in:
I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages\Community
If the link was in
I:\Microsoft Flight Simulator\Packages
and pointed to C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager
that would work (i.e. the path would then be right, although I don't know if MSFS would see it)
Do I have the wrong version of the link?
Thanks
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I don't get the idea of the offline installer. If it is an offline installer then it should contain all the files to get up and running? But the offline installer is far too small for that to be the case (compared to the size of the Addon Manager folder when installed).
Thanks.
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The log file says:
You shouldn't post what the log says, you should ZIP the log file and attach it, I need to read it entirely.
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Thank you for including the latest update date in the title.
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I appreciate the fact that there is a new patch every day that fixes a couple of issues. I think that displays the commitment of the team to fix the issues.
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Gdrive
We're sorry. You can't access this item because it is in violation of our Terms of Service.
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We're sorry. You can't access this item because it is in violation of our Terms of Service.
Does it work with Mediafire, while we file a complain with Google ?
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Umberto, it doesn't bother me to manually download each update, but do you think the nodes will eventually be up to date everywhere? I live in France.
The update is downloading files each time I try it.
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It works with MediaFire
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We're sorry. You can't access this item because it is in violation of our Terms of Service.
Does it work with Mediafire, while we file a complain with Google ?
Yes, works on mediaflare... but no Google Drive.
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After performing the offline update, I noticed that inside the comunity folder the version was still the old 0.1.0 version. (in the updater it says 1.9), and I tried running the FSDT Installer program and got this error.
How can I update it?
https://postimg.cc/9Dzdb449
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the same for me
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After performing the offline update, I noticed that inside the comunity folder the version was still the old 0.1.0 version. (in the updater it says 1.9), and I tried running the FSDT Installer program and got this error.
How can I update it?
https://postimg.cc/9Dzdb449
Hi. Had the same problem here minutes ago. Now, it's working fine.
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same here !
Back to previews 1.7
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Just to clarify ...
Say I last downloaded update August 31st.... I never downloaded sept1, 2, 5, 6.....
now I check website on Sept7 and I am downloading September 7th and installing it....
I have no issue login to the forum here and downloading from this thread just want to clarify that even if I skipped certain dates when updates were posted my software is all up to date.
Is my software 100% up to date at this time on Sep 7 after not downloading updates released on earlier dates
Thanks
PS:
I seriously prefer not to use the installer/updater that has shortcut on my desktop, it does something constantly after every time i click UPDATE BUTTON "perpetual updater" and I recall reading earlier that it might actually might downgrade GSX so yeah until cloud is 100 fixed I am not using it.
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I have no issue login to the forum here and downloading from this thread just want to clarify that even if I skipped certain dates when updates were posted my software is all up to date. Is my software 100% up to date at this time on Sep 7 after not downloading updates released on earlier dates
Of course, the latest version includes all fixes released since the first release. It's basically a snapshot of what the current Addon Manager folders should look like after a Live Update.
HOWEVER, these fixes are just for the GSX code, the thing that might cause problems if they are not updated. Extras like updated textures or new logos or new models are not included, they are only in the actual Live Update.
I seriously prefer not to use the installer/updater that has shortcut on my desktop, it does something constantly after every time i click UPDATE BUTTON "perpetual updater" and I recall reading earlier that it might actually might downgrade GSX so yeah until cloud is 100 fixed I am not using it.
It depends which files your are referring to. Some files ( Airport services and jetway replacement .bgl ) ARE supposed to be always downloaded without this being a problem, because we found out it's faster to just redownload them all in a single ZIP file, rather than checking individually over thousands of files which are new.
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GDrive download still isn't working. Mediafire works.
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GDrive download still isn't working. Mediafire works.
Google has mistakenly detected the program as a thread, which obviously isn't and it's even signed with our own digital signature.
We requested a Review, which is what you area supposed to do when a file is detected as a false positive, they replied the Google Team will look at it "as soon as possible", but since Google is not FSDT, they are taking several days to even reply.
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GDrive download still isn't working. Mediafire works.
Google has mistakenly detected the program as a thread, which obviously isn't and it's even signed with our own digital signature.
We requested a Review, which is what you area supposed to do when a file is detected as a false positive, they replied the Google Team will look at it "as soon as possible", but since Google is not FSDT, they are taking several days to even reply.
I just tried and was able to download the Google Drive version, so hopefully the issue has been addressed on their end.
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You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
So I did this, I ran the live update to see if it downloads anything AFTER I ran the offline installer, just as you suggested to do above.
Live update still downloads somethings every time I run it.
What am I missing here? I am confused.
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respected dev
sometimes it says not getting aircraft config file. my airplane folder is empty .so where is the config file so that i can place it in aircraft folder or i can have backup config file in case any corrupt file i can replace with that.
thanks
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You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
i have the same probs before, the live update loading the update like before.
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Live update still downloads somethings every time I run it.
It depends what is that "something".
As explained in other threads, there are at least two files which are supposed to be always downloaded without this being a problem, which are the Airport Services and the Jetway replacement sceneries. Those are always downloaded, since we found it's much faster to always download them as single ZIP files, rather then checking thousands of files individually for updates.
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Live update still downloads somethings every time I run it.
It depends what is that "something".
As explained in other threads, there are at least two files which are supposed to be always downloaded without this being a problem, which are the Airport Services and the Jetway replacement sceneries. Those are always downloaded, since we found it's much faster to always download them as single ZIP files, rather then checking thousands of files individually for updates.
okay, that seems to be exactly what it's doing, so I assume it's all good :)
thanks for explaining again.
br
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Umberto,
I really don't know how to make sure that my GSX installation is completely up to date. I used the offline installer, but I just wanna make sure I got the most recent update. Where do I look?
Thanks,
Santiago
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From previous replay i received I think best is to run the online installer... maybe like twice and then download the most recent one from page 1 of this thread.
This online installer might download some new textures etc which are not in the download posted on here... and then this from here will get the core of GSX up to date.
But yeah.. LOL
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this is driving me nuts can you tell me if the fsdt installer on your original web page works or not
do we have to jump through more hoops to get this programe to work
ie downloading seperate installers
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Within what timeframe should all the nodes be updated with the current version and this work around not required?
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Live update still downloads somethings every time I run it.
It depends what is that "something".
As explained in other threads, there are at least two files which are supposed to be always downloaded without this being a problem, which are the Airport Services and the Jetway replacement sceneries. Those are always downloaded, since we found it's much faster to always download them as single ZIP files, rather then checking thousands of files individually for updates.
It might be an idea to update the opening post with this information?
I've just spent fifteen minutes wondering why the updated installer available on page 1 is still downloading files.
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LTFM(Istanbul Airport) is still showing "Couldn't find valid airport data at this position, services are not available"
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It might be an idea to update the opening post with this information?
Done.
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Is the pushback stuck issue back again?
Just want to do a push, and nothing is happening after selecting the direction I want to push.
Already restarted Couatl twice .(
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Doesn't happen here, just tried it now so, I guess you should provide a complete report of:
- the airplane used
- the scenery used
- which pushback truck came out
- if the parking is customized
- if the pushback is customized
- if every direction is the same: Left, Right, QuickEdit and Straight.
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Hey Umberto,
My audio keeps acting weird. Sometimes, when I access the session, I check the settings and the Audio tab says there's no device set and volume is back to full(looks default.) Sometimes it looks normal(the device I've selected and the right volume value). Sometimes I can hear the outside activity and the voices and all of a sudden, silent. My Live Update does not work so I used the offline uninstaller.
Any suggestions?
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Nice work on Last update Sept. 21st 2022
Love this Addon
Still wish the Catering Truck's doors opened and closed 3X faster, and that the guy only delivers and returns 2X not 3X
BTW, "Reset Position' crashes the Couttl engine "Reposition Aircraft" does not
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Thank you for continuing to update the Offline Installer! Not only is its download and installation a lot quicker than running the Installer/Updater that gets installed with the program, but I am still getting a lot of downloaded files every time I run that one. I guess I should give up on the fact that my node is ever going to be up to date and I will continue to look for the offline installer.
Thank you again!
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Not sure what I am doing wrong. I downloaded the offline installer. I run the exe. and I see the notes change log, then I install it. After that nothing happens. Should there be a icon for the offline addon manager? I looked through the addon files and found nothing. No updated manual.
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You do know that the pushback is now not working properly especailly with the FBW.
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Hi Umberto,
Two questions if I may,
1. For how much longer is the offline installer expected to be needed? Have you the cloud fire nod3s been updated now? I would have thought by now GSX was able to update itself from the cloud.
2. Any ETA on when you might have GSX available for sale on SimMarket?
Cheers
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1. For how much longer is the offline installer expected to be needed? Have you the cloud fire nod3s been updated now? I would have thought by now GSX was able to update itself from the cloud.
We can't possibly know when each one of the 275+ nodes will get all the updated, I think most of them should have by now but precisely since we can't possibly know, the Offline installer will be kept updated.
2. Any ETA on when you might have GSX available for sale on SimMarket?
We'll likely offer it to 3rd parties after adding the new Navdata API that will make it compatible with every scenery.
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You do know that the pushback is now not working properly especailly with the FBW.
The pushback works perfectly fine and nothing in this update changed anything. It would be best if you opened a new thread, with a proper title, and made a precise report with reproduction steps.
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I ran the offline addon manager. I then ran the live update. It updated GSX Pro. I ran the live update again and it updated the same thing again. Sorry, But i'm kind of confused if I am updating GSX the correct way?
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I ran the offline addon manager. I then ran the live update. It updated GSX Pro. I ran the live update again and it updated the same thing again. Sorry, But i'm kind of confused if I am updating GSX the correct way?
Not possible to help you with such a generic description of the problem. What "updated the same thing again" means ?
As explained in the first post, SOME files are SUPPOSED to be always downloaded, without this being an indication of the problem. You might have a problem with your local node only if files OTHER than the one indicated in the first post are being downloaded over and over. If that's the case, then you should run the Offline installer last.
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I ran the live update.exe 3 times with the same results. It updates GSX PRO. I just ran MSFS and GSX works fine except it will not connect to Simbrief. Also what date is the updated manual? The one I see is 13 Sept. 2022.
Thanks,
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I ran the live update.exe 3 times with the same results
"Same result" is not any clearer than "updated the same thing again". Have you read my previous explanation about SOME files are SUPPOSED to be always downloaded, without this being an indication of a problem ?
It updates GSX PRO. I just ran MSFS and GSX works fine except it will not connect to Simbrief.
That doesn't mean you haven't updated but, most likely, you don't have a flight plan or placed the wrong username in it. This update will just fix a crash that previously happened in this situation. If you don't get a crash but, instead, a text message telling you about the problem under the "Reload SimBrief" button, then you HAVE the latest update.
Also what date is the updated manual? The one I see is 13 Sept. 2022.
Since the previous one was date August, then yes, you DO have the latest manual, it's just the manual was ready a week before the rest of the update but, obviously, we couldn't release the updated manual before the update itself: THAT would have been confusing.
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Thanks for the help. I forgot to run the flight plan with Simbrief. It works fine now. Everything seems to work great in the sim. Thanks for a great product!
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Didn’t the most recent update, in conjunction with SU10 allow access to the new Navdata API? Or are there further updates to the navdata API coming? From what I remember you indicated that the SU10 Navdata API didn’t give you all the data you needed for jetways
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So I'm very confused.
How do I know if I have the most up to date version?
I ran the "offline updater" yesterday. The changelogs claim: "Menu system changed; Auto-close function has been removed." But my menu is still closing automatically. So I assume it's either a bug or I'm not at the latest version... But how am I supposed to know? How am I supposed to know if my node has been updated and I'm no longer in need of the offline updater? How do I get the new object models or textures or operators if not via the FSTD updater or installer app? And wouldn't that reinstall older versions over newer ones?
I'm really confused on how to get the newest versions and how to keep it updated.
Greetings
Marc Dahmen
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How do I know if I have the most up to date version?
As clearly indicated in the first post of this thread:
You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
NOTE: The Airport Services and Jetways sceneries ZIP files are supposed to be downloaded every time, this is normal. And unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries bought on the MS Marketplace will also be downloaded each time, this is also normal.
But my menu is still closing automatically. So I assume it's either a bug or I'm not at the latest version...
It's neither: you assumed the auto-close was related to the GSX services menu, but instead is related to the GSX TOOLBAR menu, which was the only thing that had an auto-close before. This has been already asked and answered here:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,27785.msg181948.html#msg181948
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Didn’t the most recent update, in conjunction with SU10 allow access to the new Navdata API?
Nowhere we ever said something like that. Before SU10, we couldn't obviously release anything, since it won't work on SU9 and, while we already started working with the new API during the Beta, we wanted to wait if data about Jetways might eventually arrive for the final release.
Sadly, it hasn't and there's no word if it will ever arrive but, as already confirmed in other threads, this won't stop us using it anyway, just with some workaround for Jetways we'd rather not use but, it's not as if we have much choice.
This was also discussed several times, for example here:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,27635.msg180973.html#msg180973
or here:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,27446.msg181891.html#msg181891
In addition to that, we also made a Sticky post about upcoming updates here:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,27778.msg181917.html#msg181917
Hoping users will read it, so we won't have to continuously repeat, over and over, to identical questions about SU10 and Navdata API and Marketplace airports. Be sure when the update will come, it will advertises thoroughly.
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You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
NOTE: The Airport Services and Jetways sceneries ZIP files are supposed to be downloaded every time, this is normal. And unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries bought on the MS Marketplace will also be downloaded each time, this is also normal.
So I know I'm on the latest version if nothing is downloading even though something is allways downloading? That confuses me even more...
It's neither: you assumed the auto-close was related to the GSX services menu, but instead is related to the GSX TOOLBAR menu, which was the only thing that had an auto-close before. This has been already asked and answered here:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,27785.msg181948.html#msg181948
Oh ok... I did get confused by a toolbar icon beeing reffered to as a menu.
Thanks for helping
Marc
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So I know I'm on the latest version if nothing is downloading even though something is allways downloading? That confuses me even more...
The explanation doesn't call things with "something": it gives a precise indication WHICH files are supposed to be always downloaded and which files are not. If you want to know if you have a problem with the local servers, you should notice if files OTHER than the ones indicated in the Note are being downloaded over and over.
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So I'm supposed to read and fully understand filestructures and filenames in a matter of seconds as it's running through the update process? I'm not even sure what I'm looking at when this runs through... and it closes right after it's done so I cannot even take some time to scroll through the data (doesnt even have a scrollbar...) all I see is "removing file "long path to something" and then it closes again...
Not a very good method of knowing if some part was downloaded and another was not...
From a User point of view this is a really complicated way of telling if I'm on the newset version or if I still have to run the offline updater.
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all I see is "removing file "long path to something" and then it closes again...
I don't think you see only that, that sounds like the message which says it has removed one of the Jetway replacement file after downloading its ZIP file, and it has removed it because you Disable that airport, I think the message is still readable as such, even with only a few lines visible so yes, that is something related to the Jetway exclusions which, as the instructions says, are supposed to be always downlaoded.
Not a very good method of knowing if some part was downloaded and another was not...From a User point of view this is a really complicated way of telling if I'm on the newset version or if I still have to run the offline updater.
Fact is, always redownloading those files has proven to be way faster than checking each single file for updates, because there are many, and the *check* itself takes more time than the download, because they compress a lot in ZIP format so, what other solution you suggest ?
The only solution would be "hiding" you from what's happening, like disabling every information about something that is always supposed to be downloaded, doing everything without any feedback. That will reduce your confusion, but if something goes wrong, you'll never know.
I suspect most similar updaters use this strategy: they just skip in silence over the confusing parts, so users won't know, and won't be confused. We might be adopt this strategy as well, since it seems to be the preferred one.
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No, it's not the only one I see... but the one I see the most at the end. The others are gone so fast, I can't really read them. I'm not a native english speaker and I' not a programmer. I actually usually don't care what is being updated or needed to be downloaded by a programm in order to update. As long as it works. It might be a nice gesture to actually indicate what the downloadprocess is doing but as I don't understand any of it, to me it doesn't make a difference if it is shown to me or not. Even IF something goes wrong I couldn't tell anyways. maybe others can, but I certainly cannot. I'm a stupid user. I want less bugs and more features ;)
...what other solution you suggest ?
A version number might do it. Maby just an indication during the updateprocess something like "you have version xy - updating to versio xy+1" or in the GSX settings menu.
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Is there an issue with pushback. My pushback does not work with the Flybywire?
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I actually usually don't care what is being updated or needed to be downloaded by a programm in order to update. As long as it works.
I guess that's the case. Most users are not probably interested what the program is really doing, so if we just removed lots of information, it will give the illusion of being "simpler". You can't be worried about what you don't know.
A version number might do it. Maby just an indication during the updateprocess something like "you have version xy - updating to versio xy+1" or in the GSX settings menu.
Already discussed so many times. Yes, it will give the illusion everything's fine, even if it's really not. Which of course goes in the opposite direction of your "more features, less bugs", because troubleshooting bugs will be more difficult when you only have a version number, but that doesn't seem to matter to most. Nobody really seem to care if all his files are precisely the ones they are supposed to be, as long the mythical "version number" is shown.
As I've said, multiple times, we'll take these suggestions to make the program to appear to be more reliable, removing all information that *might* induce a suspect, to be replaced by some version number at the end. Nothing will really change, of course, but you will assume the program became immediately easier and more reliable...
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No reason for sarcasm...
Also this is your product. Only you can make sure all necessary files are "precisely the ones they are supposed to be". As a user I do installations and updates, how am I supposed to know what files have to go where? It's your responsibility as a developer to program your update and installation processes to end up with the files I need in order for them to work, isn't it? After all it's a problem of your update servers that started all the problems to begin with.
And I'm not sure if you understand my concept of a version number... I don't want to see a "mythical number" somewhere, but I rely on propper programming, where a software version is done with every file precisely where it's supposed to be in the state it needs to be in. When that's done this version gets a number. So when a user has an issue, you as a developer have information on what is where, just by a user telling you wich version of your software he is talking about. That should actually make troubleshooting even easier.
If I as a user have to care about files being incorrectly delivered somewhere during the installation process somethings is wrong. And as I can't influence the process of your installation program, why would I bother? When I buy a car nobody expects me to check if all the right parts of the engine are where they are supposed to be. You seem to think everyone understands your file structure and how a software works, but that's just not the case. You can't assume everyone is a car mechanic and knows wich motor parts go where when you sell a car. Customers just want to drive it not to build it!
That being said your troubleshooting efforts would be easier for you if you would deliver propper versions with numbers so you yourself can rely on your own knowledge. You know exactly what file is supposed to go where. When you hear wich version the user has installed you immediately know what files the user has and where they are, and can find out much better what the issue might be.
And when you get annoyed by too many users asking the same questions all over again or suggesting stuff many times, it might be a good idea to think about why that could be. Maybe it's because something is just not working the way it's supposed to on your end of the process. It's easy to blame the customer. But choosing to trick the customer by making stuff appear better than it is, as you suggested, is by far the worst decission in my opinion.
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And I just came up with another idea of how to indicate if a software is up to date without having to implement a version number.
Simply indicate something like "Your GSX version is up to date. Downloading Airport Services and Jetways sceneries ZIP files now as a normal process of keeping them consistent." or "Your GSX version is getting updated now." in a prominent spot so the user can clearly see if he is up to date or not. No version number magic or "hiding" of information necessary. just giving everyone the information needed.
That way you can also let people know that if their update node is not up to date it will always say "Your GSX version is getting updated" and not asking people to check if "nothing" is downloaded (even though some files are downloaded every time)
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No reason for sarcasm...
I don't see any trace of "sarcasm" in any of my replies. You are assuming this because you still don't believe what I'm trying to say, which it's entirely serious facts, not a joke.
Also this is your product. Only you can make sure all necessary files are "precisely the ones they are supposed to be".
Not really, the files on our server ARE obviously "precisely the ones they are supposed to be", but when they are distributed online they CAN possibly suffer from delays in replication over the 270+ local Cloudflare nodes.
And it's PRECISELY because of this, our program CHECKED them and tries to re-download them if they failed the check. So, it's doing precisely the job is supposed to do: trying in every way to get you the correct files, instead blindly trusting whatever it comes from the internet.
As a user I do installations and updates, how am I supposed to know what files have to go where? It's your responsibility as a developer to program your update and installation processes to end up with the files I need in order for them to work, isn't it?
And that's precisely why in the Sticky thread is indicated which files you shouldn't worry about.
After all it's a problem of your update servers that started all the problems to begin with.
That is wrong, the only problems are caused by the only servers we don't have any control on. And as explained countless of times, if we didn't use the Cloudflare distribution system, nobody would be able to download anything, because "our" server would never able to handle such kind of load, something we saw *multiple* times on other popular releases, where nobody was able to download anything, something that never happened here.
And precisely because the server we can't control *might* be outdated, that our updater works that way, otherwise (again) you wouldn't even suspect of a problem.
And I'm not sure if you understand my concept of a version number... I don't want to see a "mythical number" somewhere, but I rely on propper programming, where a software version is done with every file precisely where it's supposed to be in the state it needs to be in. When that's done this version gets a number. So when a user has an issue, you as a developer have information on what is where, just by a user telling you wich version of your software he is talking about. That should actually make troubleshooting even easier.
Why are you repeating something that has been discussed so many times, over and over ? There are two ways to show a "version number" and is:
1) By faking it, assuming that if you run an update, you "must" have the latest version, because on connection, a file or two might be used as samples, and saving it somewhere, with the installer reading that information and telling you have the latest version.
2) By doing it properly, and the real way to do it properly is with a really "fault tolerant" install that would take a large impact on your system, your connection and our bandwidth because, it should work this way:
- Before doing any update, there should be a first pass checking all files, making a list of the outdated ones and doing a complete backup of all files that WILL be downloaded. This will take extra time and some disk space that, in the event all files are updated ( maybe not likely, but possible ), double the disk space of the program normally takes.
- All files scheduled to be updated should be downloaded and, after they are all downloaded, they should be checked again. If even a SINGLE file failed the check, ALL files from the backup should be restored, since we cannot risk having a mix-up of old and new files so, you'll be back to the previous version. Only if ALL files passed the check, we could reliably show a "version number", because we checked the new version is really complete and coherent.
Option #2 is what is called a "fault tolerant" update, which nobody really use, because not only is way slower and put lots of strain on servers, but it can ALSO be very frustrating to users, because you'll be rolled back to version you started with, possibly because a single file wasn't updated on your local node.
That's why most updaters prefer Option #1, which is way lighter on servers, it shows a version number, it makes users feel safe, but it's not really reliable.
We are using a 3rd approach, which is something in between: we DO check all files, and we just try to re-download only the failed one on the next start, instead of trashing everything and redo everything from start if a single outdated file.
And this, of course, is the best approach because, it's not as if files get outdated "forever", eventually all nodes will get all files so, any issue will self-correct automatically.
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Hello,
I understand the differents point of views.
I have various experience since many years with lot of products.
Maybe we should do a difference between
- a PATCH, partial update (bug correction etc...)
- a full complete version
And in the mean time, i don't know if possible separate
- download of core programs
- download of data or part of program stabilized
P3D use separate process downloads for example sceneries and core programs, Xplane check all filles before updating. And yes each time there is a patch version number or a version number so we know if the update/patch or the full version is completed and well installed. Otherwise we are blind and we try many updates with probably adding bad and goog files producing new differents problems depending en each install of each people and you can't reproduce it ? :)
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each time there is a patch version number or a version number so we know if the update/patch or the full version is completed and well installed.
No, you don't.
The only thing you know by seeing a version number, is you started an update, and it downloaded some file that would allow it to store the version number somewhere.
You can't possibly know each and every file you got really belongs to that version, unless each and every file you have is checked individually against the one on the server, and if they don't match, something must be done like, for example, trying to download it again. Which is what our updater does.
As I've said, so many times by now, our updater might be "updated" to show less information, and a version number so, you'll see a version number, you would *assume* you have the latest version, and you might fell safe. But it won't make the actual update any more reliable than already it is.
The only result it will obtain, is that you won't likely start the updater so often, because seeing a version number and a comfortable message "you have the latest version", will result in less updates started by users. This will be good for our bandwidth: it will be enough to hide all "redownload" information from it, and everybody will be happy, as long a version number is shown.
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I am perfectly happy with the current system, after reading the explained technical reasons bechind them.
Sometime what people wish for isn't neccessarily a good thing but just a satisfaction veil provided by the version number. But if this is what is required for Customer Satisfaction, then so be it.
Athena Grey
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Hello Umberto
It's maddening.
For more than a month since the update I have had problems with GSX.
Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
Today came an update request, update executed. Now the GSX menu doesn't open anymore.
I installed and run this offline installer, it still doesn't work.
As half Italian I have to say. "avete fatto un casino" Sorry Umberto, but I really be desperate with this GSX. Everything went smoothly before, until this ominous update where all the problems began.
I hope you understand my situation.
Kind Regards
Stephan Ricci
CEO Swissair Virtual Airline
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Hello Ricci,
Firstly I am sorry for responding tp your direct communication to Umberto. May I just confirm the steps for the update are as follows? You may already be doing the same steps, and if so my apologies.
1. In the FSDT Universal Installer - run the updater
Its indicated as Sep 23 as the latest version.
2. In the Forum Download offline installer. And run it as the last step to complete the update
process.
I am using this process and things are working fine since my last purchase.
Regards,
Athena Grey
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Hello Athena
Don`t need to say sorry, I do appreciate every help.
I will try it again. Even I did several times. Actually I`m in flight, but I will try again after landed.
Thank you so much for your help.
Kind Regards
Stephan Ricci
CEO Swissair Virtual Airline
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Umberto, how about publishing one installer that just works. Not working around installers, just one that works. I paid €40,- 6 weeks ago and nothing...! I understand piracy is a bitch but that is your problem and not a costumer who's paying for your product. I did the update, downloaded the off line installer but still NOTHING.
How hard can it be?!
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Umberto, how about publishing one installer that just works. Not working around installers, just one that works. I paid €40,- 6 weeks ago and nothing...! I understand piracy is a bitch but that is your problem and not a costumer who's paying for your product. I did the update, downloaded the off line installer but still NOTHING.
The installer obviously works. I don't understand what you are trying to say with your reference to "piracy"
If YOU have a problem with the installer, what about opening a proper support thread, with a proper report, with precise indications what's happening on YOUR system, how do you think we could possibly support you, with such vague description of the problem. "Nothing" is not really helpful.
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Not really, the files on our server ARE obviously "precisely the ones they are supposed to be", but when they are distributed online they CAN possibly suffer from delays in replication over the 270+ local Cloudflare nodes.
And it's PRECISELY because of this, our program CHECKED them and tries to re-download them if they failed the check. So, it's doing precisely the job is supposed to do: trying in every way to get you the correct files, instead blindly trusting whatever it comes from the internet.
Well in the end I don't get the files I'm supposed to if the node is not up to date... So it is obviously NOT working as intended. Your program might be doing it's job exactly as you want it, but if that is not sufficient to get to the expected result (poeple getting the new version) it's propably time to reconsider said method.
If your system would work, nobody would ever bother about version numbers or different methods of knowing if their software is up to date.
Also, of course it is your responsability to make sure we get the files we are supposed to get. You can't blame the distribution system you chose yourself. There may be reasons for this and it's nice you try to explain them, but that doesn't help.
And that's precisely why in the Sticky thread is indicated which files you shouldn't worry about.
It also states that: "...by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer." Wich never is the case! So maybe you shouldn't write that there because poeple think that there might be a scenario in wich the updater doesn't download anything and always think their node is not up to date.
Just beside the whole topic on how to know wich of the 191 lines within 1 min and 14 seconds I get to read, are the ones that are supposed to be the files I should not bother about. (yes I recorded the process and counted the lines)
That is wrong, the only problems are caused by the only servers we don't have any control on.
Why is that wrong? You chose to work with that servers. For me as a user this is your side of the process. If I'm not getting the files I need, the only one I can blame is you, not the delivery service.
2) By doing it properly
Yes... do it properly then... If your other methods are not working correctly why not do it properly?
I don't expect you to argue about that. I'm not a programmer and there are propably a thousand reasons for or against something wich I don't understand. But if it doesn't work something should change!
I also made a different suggestion here: https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26826.msg182140.html#msg182140
You choose to stick with what you've got and blame people for asking the same questions? Maybe something is just unclear in your communication. Like saying "nothing is downloaded" wich is never the case. Or claiming we want version numbers even if you tell them that this would be a bad decision. Maybe there is a reason that people want to get some kind of confirmation that they are up to date without having to read through 191 lines of uncomprehensive stuff in 1´14.
And the only one that can change that is you! That's why people come here and make those suggestions.
PS: When I refer to "you" of course I don't mean you personally but "you as the developers"
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Hello
It`s me again.
Umberto, thank you for reply to my post, very nice. ;-)
I did download this Offline Installer but GSX don`t work anymore.
Also I don`t have any Jetways at LSZH anymore.
Thank you.
Kind Regards
Stephan Ricci
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The installer obviously works. I don't understand what you are trying to say with your reference to "piracy"
If YOU have a problem with the installer, what about opening a proper support thread, with a proper report, with precise indications what's happening on YOUR system, how do you think we could possibly support you, with such vague description of the problem. "Nothing" is not really helpful.
Don't patronize me Umberto, I didn't make the installer(s) and it's not for nothing that 2 topics with this problem is already 30 pages long in total!.
I was hoping that it was piracy to make it difficult for them but it was just you who thought: Why make things easy if you can do it the hard way... When GSX came out I've spend 3 hours trying to make it work, a week later I did a new install as described for which the download time took already 5 (five) hours!!! so I'm pretty much done with spending more time on this.
So if you just refuse to make an installer (1) that works, then I hope you have a lot of fun with my money. I'm done with this.
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So if you just refuse to make an installer (1) that works, then I hope you have a lot of fun with my money. I'm done with this.
The one refusing what he was supposed to do, that is making a precise error report , it's you because, since the installer clearly works and now, after you initial "nothing", you are probably starting to realize that "nothing" means, exactly, nothing ( = nothing helpful to understand your problem ), I see you are now saying "something", that is the installer is too slow.
Or, if I understood correctly your post, you are now saying it took 3 hours to make it work when GSX came out ( so it DID work! ), and a week later it took 5 hours, what are you really saying NOW, considering GSX has been out for 5 weeks ?
- That you tried it when it came out, took 3 hours and worked, reinstalled the week later, took 5 hours and on that 2nd try, is not clear if it worked ? ( this is what you *really* said now )
- That you tried it now, and is still slow ? But does it work ?
- You haven't tried it now, so you are reporting exactly what ?
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Hello Ricci,
Firstly I am sorry for responding tp your direct communication to Umberto. May I just confirm the steps for the update are as follows? You may already be doing the same steps, and if so my apologies.
1. In the FSDT Universal Installer - run the updater
Its indicated as Sep 23 as the latest version.
2. In the Forum Download offline installer. And run it as the last step to complete the update
process.
I am using this process and things are working fine since my last purchase.
Regards,
Athena Grey
Hi,
I did try, it`s not working at all.
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SMH It never worked. Just come with a working installer. I've got 3 now and zip that works. Really amazing your response.
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SMH It never worked. Just come with a working installer. I've got 3 now and zip that works. Really amazing your response.
The only amazing thins here, is your refusal to explain what do you mean with "it never worked". As I've said, so many times already, since the installer is clearly working, why you don't try to describe, with a proper post, on a new thread, exactly what happened to you ?
"It never worked" doesn't obviously help anybody coming with an installed that works also on YOUR system.
I've got 3 now and zip that works
What that's supposed to mean. It works or not ?
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Hi,I did try, it`s not working at all.
Please clarify what do you mean with "not working at all"
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Hi,I did try, it`s not working at all.
Please clarify what do you mean with "not working at all"
Hi Umberto
I downloaded, installed and run this offline installer.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/rcjygudgvbccu2w/Addon_Manager.exe/file
Didn't helped.
I can't even open the GSX menu, it just doesn't work. I also have problems with Sode Jetways since this update from you.
In Zurich LSZH I don't have any Jetways anymore.
Are there an opportunity to send a Log file or somethings? If yes, where can I find it or create it?
Finally I like to say, I am not an expert in Software and Computer. So many things are very complicated for me to do and I really don`t know how to do.
As well englisch is not my mother language. It`s enough for travel, fly online and have a good talk. (I know, you will think it`s not your problem, but as a customer who pay for a Software I do expect an automatically solution for fix the problem.
That`s why I never install freeware scenery or something like that. I like self installer to avoid any problems, because the P3D is already very complex,
Or should I just uninstall and re-install GSX new?
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Please clarify: are you referring to P3D ? If yes, it's best if you post it in the FSX/P3D section.
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So there was an update yesterday, but the title says 23rd 2022.
Following updates is really not easy :( I assumed there was no update by checking the thread title.
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Please clarify: are you referring to P3D ? If yes, it's best if you post it in the FSX/P3D section.
Hello Umberto
now I found the error. In my desperation after an update from FSDT because nothing worked anymore (GSX not work, SODE Jetway missed) I had searched for a solution in the Forum. I downloaded this offline installer, but it was for MSFS and not for P3Dv4.
So this is where the error is clearly mine, for which I would like to apologize.
A mystery remains, however, that software (GSX / SODE) that worked fine after an update from FSDT suddenly no longer works.
Nevertheless many thanks. And I take that back ( avete fatto un casino).
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So there was an update yesterday, but the title says 23rd 2022.Following updates is really not easy :( I assumed there was no update by checking the thread title.
The first and foremost place to check for updates should be...in the updater itself, the "release notes" button. This forum post is just an alternative source of information, and it's possible I might just forget to update the title sometime.
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Have you fixed the problem with the new Istanbul airport ? LTFM was showing no airport data.
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So.......I've bought GSX tonight run the installation process via the FSDT Installer. Launched the sim but when I clicked GSX toolbar Icon it was just stuck on "loading please wait". Quick google led me to this thread......
I take it I have to run the offline installer AFTER the FSDT installer?
I'm confused.....
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So.......I've bought GSX tonight run the installation process via the FSDT Installer. Launched the sim but when I clicked GSX toolbar Icon it was just stuck on "loading please wait". Quick google led me to this thread......
I take it I have to run the offline installer AFTER the FSDT installer?
I'm confused.....
Yes. AFTER the FSDT Installer run the offline installer.
Athena Grey
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Anybody knows how can i fix the boarding in the pmdg? it says me to open l door fwd and is open how can i fix it? Thank you!
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Hello the team of FSDREAMTEAM,
To be easier for the GSX users for the updates, it would be possible to display on the FSDT installer the current version of GSX?
Thanks a lot for your work,wonderful addon.
Regards
Jean-Christophe
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So.......I've bought GSX tonight run the installation process via the FSDT Installer. Launched the sim but when I clicked GSX toolbar Icon it was just stuck on "loading please wait". Quick google led me to this thread......
I take it I have to run the offline installer AFTER the FSDT installer?
I'm confused.....
Yes. AFTER the FSDT Installer run the offline installer.
Athena Grey
Thanks done that but still get the never ending "Loading GSX Menu, please wait....." when I try to launch GSX from the toolbar in the Sim. Am I missing something?
I've uninstalled, removed folders from app data, add on manager, community. Reinstalled everything as admin usings FSDT installer then the offline install.
So what is my next step please.
EDIT: So after about 10 minutes at the gate (EGCC - MaccoSim) I saw a message say "Airport cache complete" or something like that. And now the menu works! So I guess my question is will I have this wait at each airport but only once, or will it do that every time? Also why did it take 10 mins??? Seems a long time. Any way to troubleshoot that??
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EDIT: So after about 10 minutes at the gate (EGCC - MaccoSim) I saw a message say "Airport cache complete" or something like that. And now the menu works! So I guess my question is will I have this wait at each airport but only once, or will it do that every time? Also why did it take 10 mins??? Seems a long time. Any way to troubleshoot that??
The airport cache must be rebuilt either after running an FSDT update, or each time you add or remove a scenery. If you don't add/remove a scenery, it won't be recreated. If you use utilities to enable/disable sceneries before each startup, you'll force a cache rebuilt every time.
10 minutes it's an unusually long time, it usually takes less than a minute, and the things that affects this time are:
- having too many scenery areas on a slow ( non-SDD ) drive or a fast drive on a slow interface ( USB )
- the Community folder should be added to the antivirus Exclusions
In any case, the whole concept of the airport cache will eventually go away, once we'll finish to integrate the new Navadata API that came with SU10.
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Hi
Need some help. I've just downloaded the offline installer, Ran the addon manager & installed it, clicked finish. Then nothing new has been installed that I can see, So I then run the live update the old desk top icon called FSDT Installer. Same old thing goes through the update steps and looks like an update is happening but doesn't update anything. Always says there is a update available.
Always downloads the same files which you stated is normal but product not updating with the offline installer or the usual installer. How can I tell if the latest update is installed ?
I also get a fuel truck error message, which ask you to restart Couatl , seems to always be at the end of fueling. Any Ideas ? I will try to get a picture next time it occurs.
Regards
Jeff Fuller
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Need some help. I've just downloaded the offline installer, Ran the addon manager & installed it, clicked finish. Then nothing new has been installed that I can see, So I then run the live update the old desk top icon called FSDT Installer. Same old thing goes through the update steps and looks like an update is happening but doesn't update anything.
Quoting from the top post in this thread:
You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
So, according to your own report, you are
Always says there is a update available
It's not saying that.
You are assuming that "clickability" of the Update button is indicating the presence of an update "status". That's not what the button does, you are always allowed to CHECK for Updates, and the way to KNOW if you have the latest version, is precisely what has been indicated in the first post of this thread:
- Is the installer not downloading anything, other than the files ( Airport Services, Jetways replacements and FSDT GSX profiles ) which are always supposed to be downloaded ? If yes, then you DO have the latest version. If you think about it, this is even easier than having a "version number" because, you don't even have to know which version is the current one, you just notice nothing is being downloaded, and it means you have the latest version.
I also get a fuel truck error message, which ask you to restart Couatl , seems to always be at the end of fueling. Any Ideas ? I will try to get a picture next time it occurs.
Please include the error log, not possible to help you without knowing exactly about the error.
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What is the newest version? Dont find a version number
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What is the newest version? Dont find a version number
We are in the Offline installer thread, and the Offline installer .EXE does have a version number, and it displays a version number on the readme file which is shown when you start it.
However, the Offline installer will only update GSX's main code, it doesn't contain updates to vehicles or textures, you should always run the normal Live Updater to get those.
And as explained in the top post of this thread:
- the Live Update will always update everything to the latest version
- you can verify this, by noticing the Live Update won't redownload the same files, other than the ones which are supposed to be always redownloaded, and which files they are, is also indicated in the top post of this thread: the Airport Services, the Jetway replacement files and the GSX profiles for FSDT airports.
If you don't have files other than these being redownloaded each time, it means you surely have the latest version, and you don't even need the Offline installer.
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Could the Live Updater be set to not auto close? As it is, it opens, the bar zips across the screen and then it closes.
If perhaps it could indicate in a list which files, if any, apart from those it always does download, have been updated, then I think it would go a long way to alleviating the second guessing of whether anything has updated, or the app has just hard closed.
Thanks.
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Could the Live Updater be set to not auto close? As it is, it opens, the bar zips across the screen and then it closes.
The Live Update is made like that following users suggestions they don't want to have dialogs or confirmations block it, because many users launch it automatically before starting the sim, as part of an automated batch process, so they asked not to be stopped by any confirmations windows.
If you want to be in control, check what's going on and pay attention the updated files log, just use the FSDT Installer instead. Note that, while it might "look" differently, they are one and the same program, which changes its user interface depending which icon starts it.
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Got you, many thanks.
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Hi, Both the links are not working anymore.
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Hi, Both the links are not working anymore.
The Mediafire link works normally.
The GDrive link currently doesn't work, because Google mistakenly flagged as a threat, so it's under review for being approved.
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Hi Umberto,
regarding SU10 Navdata API Jetway detection. At Justsim EDDS, the name of the jetways do not match the search pattern. They named it "JewWay" ;).
Maybe you are able to include this to the search pattern. I only have Justsim EDDS, but maybe other Justsim airports have the same jetway names.
[fltsim.0]
title=JustSim_EDDS_JewWay_general_short
[fltsim.1]
title=JustSim_EDDS_JewWay_general_short_high
Thanks,
flaps
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regarding SU10 Navdata API Jetway detection. At Justsim EDDS, the name of the jetways do not match the search pattern. They named it "JewWay"
Alright, noted.
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Hey Umberto,
I had to re-install MFSF and now I am getting default ground services over yours. How do you remove default GSs? Or, how do I re-install your product from scratch so that it works as intended.
Santiago
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I had to re-install MFSF and now I am getting default ground services over yours. How do you remove default GSs? Or, how do I re-install your product from scratch so that it works as intended.
You don't have to uninstall or reinstall GSX, if you start the FSDT Installer, it will probably report as not linked, so just hit Relink, and will be enabled in the sim again.
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Hi there.. I purchased almost all of my airports from the msfs marketplace.. so I was closely following the forum waiting for the GSX Pro new NAV data api update.. and as soon as it was released I purchased your product. First thing I did was to read the manual.. especially the last pages regarding the new nav data api part. So as far as I understand we do not need to edit the ini file when we download a custom gsx profile (the first line of the ini file where there is a path for the afcad) the only thing to make sure is that the first 4 letters of the ini file matches the ICAO code of the airport in order to use that custom profile.. am I correct or am I missing something? Anyway gsx pro is a great addon.. thank you for all your efforts..
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as far as I understand we do not need to edit the ini file when we download a custom gsx profile (the first line of the ini file where there is a path for the afcad)
You never had to edit the .INI file before, this thing keeps coming out sometimes, but the GSX manual has always been very clear it's not needed, quoting from Page 47:
The name of the .BGL used to customize the scenery is listed in the [GENERAL] section of the GSX .INI profile. It will include the complete path valid for your system but, don’t worry, there’s no need to edit it out before sharing your work, since GSX will only use the .BGL filename, and will ignore the full path altogether, it has been designed like this exactly to facilitate sharing of GSX
What changed with the recent Navdata API update, is that now even the .BGL filename won't be used anymore, because GSX is not reading any .BGL when the Navdata API is used.
This means, it's your responsibility to be sure the .INI you are using was made for the installed airport, because GSX will load the first profile it finds in the profiles folder, as long it the starting name of the .INI matches the ICAO of the airport loaded in the sim.
In the final version of the update, when using the Navdata API will become default, we'll add some interface allowing to choose between multiple .INI profiles for the same airport, with some indications to make it easier to choose a profile, like the number matching/not-matching the actual scenery.
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This offline installer will make do until we'll be reasonably sure almost all Cloudflare nodes have been updated. You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
When might all Cloudfare Nodes be updated?
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When might all Cloudfare Nodes be updated?
According to Cloudflare support, nodes updates automatically when an user from that area downloads something, but since that doesn't seem to be really the case, and there's no way to know that unless you are located in the area of an outdated node, that's why we have an Offline installer to begin with, and that's why this first post of this thread has instructions how to know if your node is updated or not.
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Hi,
I live in Turkey.
I bought GSX Pro for MSFS 2020.
I downloaded and installed FSDT_Universal_Installer from the link in the email I received.
However, I could not install GSX Pro.
As you can see from the attached picture, the MSFS icon is hidden in the FSDT Universal Installer I downloaded. At the bottom writen MSFS Not Installed.
I have MSFS 2020 version 1.27.21.0.
MSFS 2020 is installed on my computer's E: drive.
Addon Manager is installed on my computer's E: drive.
I downloaded and installed the OFFLINE Installer (Addon Manager.exe) as you wrote in the forum. (http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26826.0.html)
I applied what is written here, but the result did not change.
How can I do install GSX Pro?
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As you can see from the attached picture, the MSFS icon is hidden in the FSDT Universal Installer I downloaded. At the bottom writen MSFS Not Installed.
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26875.0.html
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As you can see from the attached picture, the MSFS icon is hidden in the FSDT Universal Installer I downloaded. At the bottom writen MSFS Not Installed.
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26875.0.html
I tried that too but the result did not change.
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I have tried to update multiple times, but GSX remains unchanged. My menu in MSFS closes each time I select an action. Wasn't the GSX menu remaining open after a selection apart of one of the updates?
Thanks
Dakota
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I have tried to update multiple times, but GSX remains unchanged. My menu in MSFS closes each time I select an action. Wasn't the GSX menu remaining open after a selection apart of one of the updates?
Nowhere in the update release notes we ever said the menu won't close after a choice.
You must have assumed this was the removal of the MENU TOOLBAR Auto-close function several updates ago, which removed the automatic closing of the Menu Toolbar icon in some situations, which was no longer required after adding an hotkey to open/close the menu, providing the Toolbar icon is left active.
GSX always closed the menu after a choice, and it has worked like this for the past 10 years. As explained in the Sticky thread about the future short-term Roadmap, we understand the ability to PIN the menu and leave it open might be useful in some cases ( Dual monitors or VR ), so it's a feature planned for a future update.
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As you can see from the attached picture, the MSFS icon is hidden in the FSDT Universal Installer I downloaded. At the bottom writen MSFS Not Installed.
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26875.0.html
The same problem was experienced in the installation of Airfoillabs Manager of AirfoilLabs in Xplane11.
However, Airfoillabs later fixed and updated the Airfoillabs Manager installation and fixed this problem.
I think you need to find a solution to this problem as soon as possible.
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Not sure if this is the right thread for this question but here goes. So I've enabled the SU10 Nav API in the latest version, I've read the manual to help me understand. Previously I had issues with coualt not starting (ok I can manually start it) but because I have the sim on a HDD it used to take quite a while from loading in at the gate before I could use GSX because the Cache had to load. My understanding is the new API eradicates this issue..........however on my first test loading into LGIR I had to manually start coualt (ok usual) but it still took a while before GSX came alive, meaning when I hit the GSX icon in MSFS I just saw "loading please wait".......I still had to wait a good few minutes before I could use the GSX services? I also noticed in the sys tray, it didn't change to "airport cache loaded successfully" which I assume is because the new API doesn't need to rebuild cache because it's not using the airport BGL.
Either way my main question is this, using the API is the expected behaviour that GSX ground services are available immediately or not (assuming coualt is running)?
To take this one step further, I've just loaded in at EGCC which has a custom ini file (only one) and I can see all the safedocks at the gates (which suggests GSX has loaded?) but when I click the GSX menu I don't have the services available, it says "Loading GSX menu please wait" with the spinning circle........and coualt is running?
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I think you need to find a solution to this problem as soon as possible
The solution has already been indicated and found here:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26875.0.html
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Not sure if this is the right thread for this question but here goes
No, of course it's not. It's about the Offline installer and its release notes, your problem doesn't have anything to do with it.
using the API is the expected behaviour that GSX ground services are available immediately or not (assuming coualt is running)?
Yes, GSX will be available in a few seconds, the airport cache is not used anymore with the Navdata API. But please, open a new thread, with a proper subject about it: how do you expect other users to find it in the future, buried in this one about the offline installer ?
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Hi, where one can find the following option, please?
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the option to not Board Crew/Pilots.
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This update thing with GSX seems like a mess to me.
What I've been doing which seems to be the most reliable option is to always use the offline installer and re-run it whenever it's been updated.
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Hi, where one can find the following option, please?
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the option to not Board Crew/Pilots.
When doing a Boarding/Deboarding operation it askes if you want to board crew/pilots/Neither/Both
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This update thing with GSX seems like a mess to me.
What I've been doing which seems to be the most reliable option is to always use the offline installer and re-run it whenever it's been updated.
The updater works perfectly fine, and the offline installer should only be used when you notice that files OTHER than the ones listed as being "normal to be updated" ( as per the IMPORTANT note of the Top post of this thread ) are being redownloaded, for example if you run the Updater twice in a row, and you notice this, you know you need the Offline installer.
But if such files are not redownloaded if you run the updater twice, then you DO NOT need the Offline installer. Not that it will make any difference if you use it anyway, it won't cause problems for sure, since if nothing is being downloaded (again, other than the files which are supposed to), you are installing with the Offline installer over exactly the same files which you already got correct from the updater.
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Hi, where one can find the following option, please?
- GSX (all versions) NEW: Added the option to not Board Crew/Pilots.
When doing a Boarding/Deboarding operation it askes if you want to board crew/pilots/Neither/Both
This possibility had been there before. I was hoping for an option to disable Crew/Pilots boarding permanently.
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The updater works perfectly fine, and the offline installer should only be used when you notice that files OTHER than the ones listed as being "normal to be updated" ( as per the IMPORTANT note of the Top post of this thread ) are being redownloaded, for example if you run the Updater twice in a row, and you notice this, you know you need the Offline installer.
But if such files are not redownloaded if you run the updater twice, then you DO NOT need the Offline installer. Not that it will make any difference if you use it anyway, it won't cause problems for sure, since if nothing is being downloaded (again, other than the files which are supposed to), you are installing with the Offline installer over exactly the same files which you already got correct from the updater.
Maybe just me but I find it very hard trying to see what files if any are updated. Also to be honest, having an updater where the user is required to sit there and try to see what files are updated or not, and based on that rule out if the updater worked correctly or not really isn't very user-friendly IMO.
For this reason and to avoid having to worry about these kind of things, I find it so much easier to simply download the offline installer whenever it has been updated and use that one instead.
Great to hear though you're happy with your updater and how it works perfectly fine.
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Maybe just me but I find it very hard trying to see what files if any are updated.
That's precisely why recent versions of the updater have a vertical scroll bar, so you can see more easily which files has been downloaded (if any), while the update is still going.
Also to be honest, having an updater where the user is required to sit there and try to see what files are updated or not, and based on that rule out if the updater worked correctly or not really isn't very user-friendly IMO.
That's not "required" of course! It's only in case you SUSPECT you might have a problem with downloading, so you would know you need the Offline installer. It's to give you CERTAINTY and TRANSPARENCY of the update process, and ways to overcome issues.
As explained so many times, we might just cheated our way out, and assume if it's a file has been downloaded, you have the latest version of it, save some version number somewhere, never bother to check it again until the next update.
This is how most of what you might call "user friendly" updater do, they might look easier to understand, but they are only giving you a false sense of security, because you have no way to know that a file has been downloaded is really the latest version, or even if a file got missing/corrupted after you run the updater.
Since outdated downloads can happen with a CDN caching ( without it, nobody would even be able to download anything, because no single server could possibly survive the load of so many concurrent users ), we provided with two things that other "user friendly" updaters don't have:
- a file by file check that is always made, to be sure every file you have is the one it's supposed to be and nothing is missing, with a progress showing what's really happening.
- an alternative offline installer.
For this reason and to avoid having to worry about these kind of things, I find it so much easier to simply download the offline installer whenever it has been updated and use that one instead.
If with "use that one instead", you mean you update with the Offline installer instead of the Live Updater, it's a mistake because, as also clearly explained in the Top post of this thread:
This Offline installer will only update the complete GSX code. It doesn't contain updates to object models or textures or new operators. Those are only available through the normal online Installer/Updater.
That's why the Offline installer should not be used "instead" of the Live Updater but, as the instructions clearly says:
ONLY after the Live Updater and ONLY after if you suspect you might have an issue with outdated files due to network caching, which should be less and less common, now that GSX have plenty of time to replicate entirely on the cloudflare network, and it will be very unlikely we'll have to push updates to ten of thousands of files again, like for a new release.
Under most circumstances, you only need to run the Live updater, and that's it.
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When you update the offline installer, would it be possible to also include any object models or textures or new operators updates?
To have one way making sure your installation of GSX Pro is 100% up to date without any manual intervention?
As for other updaters which you in your usual Umberto way dumb down, I very rarely had any version issues and I'm a high consumer who's been in this hobby for 30+ years...
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When you update the offline installer, would it be possible to also include any object models or textures or new operators updates?
No, because the Live Updater works. First, when we add files and textures for new operators, it's not possible having versioning issues due to server replication, because...it's a new file, it was never there in the first place, so you couldn't possibly get outdated files of a file that never existed before on the cloudfare network.
And, it would make the offline installer grow unnecessarily larger and larger, eventually reaching the same size as a full installer, since in a few years we might updated everything, which would defy the purpose of having a Live Update that only downloads what it's required to download.
In fact, sooner or later the Offline installer will likely be retired, since the only reason of possibly getting outdated files, is that Cloudflare couldn't keep up with replicating more than 30.000 files on their network after the initial release, it took several weeks for their network of servers to catch up, but nobody is really seem to have issues lately, when we only update a few files at a time.
That's the one and only reason why an Offline installer was required.
As for other updaters which you in your usual Umberto way dumb down, I very rarely had any version issues and I'm a high consumer who's been in this hobby for 30+ years...
If you read my explanation, you should have understood that you couldn't even possibly KNOW you had "version issues" with other updaters that don't check every file, one by one, every time, for its proper hash.
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Thank you Umberto, I rest my case.
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Thank you Umberto, I rest my case.
You are every right to do that, but at the same time, I'll keep trying to make you understand the facts.
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I can't update to the latest version of GSX And L2 Expansion for P3Dv4.5 HF3. Updaters and the Universal Installer are not downloading the latest version. I even downloaded the latest file and still no luck.
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Can we have a thread that _just_ has the updates in it and no one can post, I dont want to get a email everytime someone has a grumble on this thread, I just want to know when there is a update!
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Regarding the update on Dec 16, the offline installer shows the Dec 13 update as 2.1.12 - does this make the Dec 16th 2.1.13? If so, is there a way to tell if my system has the latest updates? I recall reading in a post that the live update will always download some files. I only ask as I seem to have new issues after the last update I ran with the live update and offline installer. I will post in a new thread.
Thank you
David.
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Dec 21 offline installer can't access via Google
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Dec 21 offline installer can't access via Google
Stupid Google has again mistakenly detected the file as "malicious", because of their defective heuristics. That's why we have an alternate link on Mediafire, while we wait for Google to rectify their mistake.
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Regarding the update on Dec 16, the offline installer shows the Dec 13 update as 2.1.12 - does this make the Dec 16th 2.1.13? If so, is there a way to tell if my system has the latest updates? I recall reading in a post that the live update will always download some files. I only ask as I seem to have new issues after the last update I ran with the live update and offline installer.
It's all in the first post of this thread, which explains that some files are always supposed to be downloaded so, they one and only time you need the Offline installer, is ONLY if you see that files OTHER than the ones indicated in the Sticky thread are being downloaded, over and over, for example if you run the Live Update twice in a row.
That's indicates your local Cloudflare node hasn't got the latest files yet, so either you wait, or you use the Offline installer. No other uses for the Offline installer, other as a backup in case your node is not updated yet, and it's no replacement for the Live Update, since the Offline installer only includes the main program code, not everything.
This means, if you run JUST the Live Updater, you HAVE the latest version, UNLESS your local cloudflare node hasn't got the latest files ( which you can check as explained above ). In THAT case, you need to DOWNLOAD the Offline installer, and run it AFTER having run the Live Update.
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Thank you.
Thank you for adding the version number to the program. It identified that my version was not updating, per the display I was on 0.1.X now on 2.1.15.
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That indeed is a welcome addition, being able to see what version you're on. Especially with all small updates released all the time.
Where exactly can you find the version information now that it has been added?
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It's right there
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Great! Wasn't close to my PC when asking but will check it out next time 👍
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Thanks for the update to the installer. Was it that hard? It took FSDT only about 10y until this finally is on par with any other installer app, not that much so I am happy that we finally got it now ;-)
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until this finally is on par with any other installer app
Sure, now we have that little feature of the "other installers" have, the version number.
If any of those will eventually get fault tolerance as well ( the ability for the installer/updater to restore each and every file to their correct state while performing an update ), you might even say they are on par with ours.
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Of course you and your software is always the best out there Umberto. I don't think anyone in here has missed that by now ;)
Have a good what's left of the Christmas buddy and thanks for what you've done for the FS community the last year and for us MSFS users in particular!
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Working fine if I update other products, but will not work for GSX.
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Working fine if I update other products, but will not work for GSX.
"will not work for GSX", without some kind of indication of errors, messages, or anything like that, makes very difficult to help you.
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Hi,
a quick question, the "Free this parking from AI" it doesn't free the parking when FSTLtraffic is activated?
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a quick question, the "Free this parking from AI" it doesn't free the parking when FSTLtraffic is activated?
I'm not sure if it's a question or a problem report. It should work with any AI, surely it will work if the FSTL is used as model replacement only.
If Injection is used, it might be possible the injector create the AI again by the time you need to park, since GSX will never try to constantly keep the parking free: it will remove an AI only in the precise moment you ask to do it, and won't try again until you ask it for removal again.
Also, if the "AI" model you see, is infact a human player, it cannot be removed.
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Hi, similar problem here: FSX, EDDM, utLive- can't free occupied gate from AI plane. The gate is reserved for my airline but utLive plane is placed there anyway. Any idea?
Best wishes
Matthias
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Hi, similar problem here: FSX, EDDM, utLive- can't free occupied gate from AI plane. The gate is reserved for my airline but utLive plane is placed there anyway. Any idea?
I think you are misunderstanding how the GSX AI removal works: is not "reserving" the gate for you and it's not constantly monitoring the gate to remove anything that goes there.
The AI removal happens only after your request to use the parking anyway, and that's it. If another AI appear after you asked to remove it, you need to ask to remove it again.
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About the latest updates, I have a question about this. Since some time back now, we have the version number of what version we currently have installed and what is the latest version as seen below:
https://i.imgur.com/s2zFLzj.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/s2zFLzj.jpg)
Despite this and being on the same version which is said to be the latest one, I got some error messages the last few days when using GSX Pro in MSFS where it gave me a chance to look at some log file but also asked me to run FSDT Live Update. Then I was offered to either restart or quit Couatl. Didn't take a note of the exact error but I was surprised. Since I already knew I had the same version installed which was said to be the latest.
Anyway, I did what it said and ran FSDT Live Update and sure enough, I noticed how it upgraded lots of stuff. After this, I once again ran FSDT Installer to check the version information and whether it changed now after these updates. Still the very same version though, both for what I have installed and what is the latest.
I find this confusing, when you're told you're on the latest version even when you apparently aren't.
I don't doubt you have a good explanation for this Umberto like you always have :-)
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I got some error messages the last few days when using GSX Pro in MSFS where it gave me a chance to look at some log file but also asked me to run FSDT Live Update. Then I was offered to either restart or quit Couatl. Didn't take a note of the exact error but I was surprised. Since I already knew I had the same version installed which was said to be the latest.
That panic message will always tell you to run the updater, it doesn't do any version checking.
I find this confusing, when you're told you're on the latest version even when you apparently aren't.
Remember when people were shouting and asking to put the mythical version number, "because everybody else does it", and I tried to explain that, a version number without checking every file, one by one, would just give you a false sense of security instead ?
People were "confused" by the previous absence of a version number, but after we added it, nobody ever said it was confused anymore, until now.
Of course, I knew that adding a version number wouldn't make the update process the slightest bit more reliable because:
- telling you a version number won't prevent or fix files eventually gone missing or corrupted locally after an update.
- telling you a version number won't protect you from issue caused by connection problems, like firewall blocking some downloaded files, antivirus blocking others, or your local cloudflare node not getting the latest version of the file the last time you ran the update.
In fact, telling you a version number, might simply mislead you think all our files are ok, when they are not, so you won't be tempted to run the Updater, even if you might need to, but you don't know, because you think you have the "latest version", just because the updater told you so.
I noticed how it upgraded lots of stuff.
"lots of stuff" doesn't mean much. As explained so many times here, and also in the first post of this this very thread, SOME "stuff" will be always downloaded:
- The jetway replacement files.
- The airport services files.
- The custom GSX profiles for FSDT sceneries you have installed.
If you had OTHER "stuff" being downloaded instead, it means you really needed an update.
And, as also explained in the first post of this thread, if you run the update again, and you see the "other stuff" is NOT being downloaded again, you CAN now be sure you REALLY have the latest version of every file.
After this, I once again ran FSDT Installer to check the version information and whether it changed now after these updates. Still the very same version though, both for what I have installed and what is the latest.
Of course the version number might have not changed, and that's precisely what I tried to explain so many times, yet people kept saying I was wrong, and now you see the proof I wasn't:
A version check made "like the others do", using a few crucial files that holds a version information ( in this case, the version of the packages in the manifest.json file ), can be very quick and give you the version immediately, but it cannot be reliable, unless each and every file in the package is checked against the online version, which is EXACTLY what the "Update" button did before, and still does now, the code hasn't changed a bit, just the button will show "Check" instead of "Update", which previously seemed to have confused lots of people assuming the Update sign was a notification, when in fact it was ( and still is ) a full integrity check of each file.
Why the version number hasn't changed in your case ? If you really followed all the explanation so far, it should be clear:
The last time you ran the Updater, you got the latest version of the manifest.json files but for some reason ( firewall, antivirus, cloudflare caching ), you didn't get the latest version of some "other stuff" ( assuming the "stuff" you saw redownloaded is not anything belonging to the 3 categories of "always downloaded" files ), so when you ran the update again, since IT IS a full integrity check and is NOT relying on the version number, precisely because it cannot be trusted, the update realized some files were left out from the last update, so it download them again, as it should do.
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Thanks for the thorough explanation Umberto and good to know the version information seen in the FSDT Installer can't be trusted for the reasons you point out.
When I wrote lots of other stuff was downloaded, I meant in addition to what is always downloaded. As outlined previously.
This is good information and based on your answer, I'll make a habit of running FSDT Live Update once a week or so. To make sure I don't miss out on any important updates, possibly corrupt or missing files etc.
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In fact, telling you a version number, might simply mislead you think all our files are ok, when they are not, so you won't be tempted to run the Updater, even if you might need to, but you don't know, because you think you have the "latest version", just because the updater told you so.
Does that mean that the version number the installer indicates is just a fake?
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Does that mean that the version number the installer indicates is just a fake?
So this is still not clear from my very extensive reply ?
The version number is just the version of the package contained in the package manifest.json layout.
This is NOT any different than, for example, checking and reporting the version number based on the main program .EXE, for a product that is made by hundreds ( in GSX's case, thousands ) of other files that don't have any inherent way to check their version, like textures, sounds, etc.
The ONLY way to know if all the other files are the correct version, would be to check each and every file against the online version, which is exactly what the "Update/Check" button does so, if for any reason you DID get the latest manifest.json, but some other files might have not being downloaded, for a series of reasons I already indicated in my previous reply, then yes, the version number cannot be trusted.
But suppose the updater didn't do a proper check for all files and, instead, trusted the version number, possibly disabling the update button because it "assumed" that, just because you ran the updater after a new version came out ( you do have the latest layout.json after all ), didn't do anything: not only you would be stuck with some outdated files, but you wouldn't even KNOW you had a problem!
Instead, the updater knows that, when the internet is concerned, it shouldn't assume anything and bad things can happen, or you might just have lost a file, altered it by mistake, lost due to local corruption, filesystem issues, any number or reasons not even related to the internet, it doesn't matter. What matters is, no matter WHY some of your files might not be the correct version, the updater is always able to recognize that, because it always check for all of them, each time.
Basically, the version number is there just as information for users, just because users asked for it, just because other installers/updaters use it. But the updater itself doesn't change the way it works, which was always correct and reliable before, and is still correct and reliable now. The ONLY use of the version number in the updater, is showing the button as "Update" or "Check", depending if the version numbers are matching or not, and that's it.
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Google has restored the file to Google Drive. They Treated it as a Safe File. Restore the Google Link Now.
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https://imgur.com/a/MCbPwwQ
why after updating both via installer and offline, I always have this awful graphics?
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why after updating both via installer and offline, I always have this awful graphics?
Opinions...
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,29006.msg188831.html#msg188831
Currently the menu colors are: msfs2020 blue for service requests, and yellow for the menu title. These colors give a look of children's play and are not to my taste.I would very much like to change these colors to replace them with gray like on P3D. This will give a much more professional and less gamy look.
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precisely, opinions and I find it disconcerting that for the request of a single user, I have to find a graphic that is nothing short of horrendous, you could have at least given the way to change it to those who don't like it and I don't like it.
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precisely, opinions and I find it disconcerting that for the request of a single user, I have to find a graphic that is nothing short of horrendous
Even if it was just one user ( not really, it was the only one I found searching here, but there are others who commented favorably to the new menu ), I think that user had a point:
if you change the default color theme in MSFS, the previous menu would look very out of place and, the more colors you put in it, the more you risk of bad taste. So, you can't go wrong with Grey...
And yes, your comment, which is the first one finding it "horrendous", is suggesting might might need to consider as least two options.
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yes, as I wrote before, it would be a good thing to have a choice between 2 menus, so we would all be happy.
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Hi
You are not up to date!
Richard
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When will you upload the offline updater vor 2.2.3?
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When will you upload the offline updater vor 2.2.3?
It has always been online since it came out on the Live Update. Google, as usual, is taking days to rectify its usual mistake or flagging it as a threat, but the other link is fine and updated.
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Umberto -- job well done on these updates. THANK YOU!
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When will you upload the offline updater for 2.2.7 to Mediafire? The upload date is marked as 13 Feb.
13 Feb came 2.2.4.
2.2.5, 2.2.6 and 2.2.7 came 14 Feb. I cannot use the installer nor the live updater, because the mirror cloud server does not deliver the respective versions correctly.
And please include in the file name of the offline installer the version number, so one can see if it matches the version numer the installer indicates as "latest".
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When will you upload the offline updater for 2.2.7 to Mediafire? The upload date is marked as 13 Feb.
It's not needed, since as clearly explained in the offline installer instructions, the offline installer only contains GSX code changes, not changes to models/textures. There hasn't been any code changes from 2.2.6, the one and only change in 2.2.7 was the renaming the Ryanair Blue texture so it won't conflict with the base Blue texture, so that requires the Live Update to be applied.
Since the offline installer instructions clearly say you are always required to run the Live Update FIRST and THEN run the Offline installer ( and ONLY if you suspect your local cloudflare node might have not been updated, and the instructions also say which files to look for to know it hasn't ), you are supposed to get the fixed texture in any case, assuming you followed the offline installer instructions.
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"you are always required to run the Live Update FIRST and THEN run the Offline installer ( and ONLY if you suspect your local cloudflare node might have not been updated, and the instructions also say which files to look for to know it hasn't )"
This is exactly what I did.
The installer and the live updater keep on trying to download files which do not belong to the file that ALWAYS have to be updates (GSX World)
Still: 2.2.6 is dated 14 Feb, the offline updater is dates 13 Feb, meaning it cannot contain the code of 2.2.6.
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The installer and the live updater keep on trying to download files which do not belong to the file that ALWAYS have to be updates (GSX World)
If your local cloudflare node hasn't updated files that are not included in the offline installer, the offline cannot obviously help you with it. You just need to do the update again later, when the node has replicated all the latest files.
Still: 2.2.6 is dated 14 Feb, the offline updater is dates 13 Feb, meaning it cannot contain the code of 2.2.6.
I tried to explain this so many times, yet some people still don't get it. Showing a version number and, more importantly, trusting a version number, is completely useless.
The version number is just a number stored in the manifest.json file, it changes when we set it to change, and you see it on your installation as long you get the right manifest.json file, and THAT'S why I kept saying adding a version number is not very useful without a complete check of each and every OTHER file of the installation, which of course the installer always did and it does it identically now, the only difference is that version number is shown now, because users asked for it, and ignored all my explanations that seeing a latest version number might give you a false sense of security, because nothing would guarantee you have all the latest files if you have the latest version number shown (it would only guarantee you have the latest version of the manifest.json ), and at the same time, NOT seeing the latest version number won't necessarily mean you don't have the latest version of the code, which is what happens to you know.
I'll try to explain it in a simpler way:
- If you see the latest version shown, but your local cloudflare node hasn't got the latest updates, you DO NOT have the latest version of everything: you surely have the latest version of the manifest.json file so, at best, we know you at least TRIED running the Live Update but, if some files are not the latest version because the *download* is wrong, the Live Update can't do much other than TRYING AGAIN downloading them the next time.
- If you don't see the latest version, but you ran the Offline installer, you can be sure you have the latest version of the GSX CODE, which is the most important thing to have, if only to prevent the more serious bugs. However, if the files not yet updated on cloudflare are NOT part of the code ( like in this case ), they are not contained in the Offline installer, so your only chance to get them is to run the Live Update again.
Since the manifest.json in the offline installer has 2.2.6 as a version, it's entirely normal you would see that version there, but that doesn't mean you don't have the "latest code", because you surely have since, as I've said, there hasn't been ANY changes in code from 2.2.6 to 2.2.7 and, in fact, not even from 2.2.5 to 2.2.7, since both updates only updated things not related to code.
So, basically, if we re-uploaded the Offline installer again, you'll have to download 130MB again, and you'll get with EXACTLY the same set of files, except maybe the manifest.json, so you'll see the latest version.
I understand showing the latest version give a sense of security that people like to have, no matter how many times I try to explain is not real so yes, I might re-upload the Offline installer again later.
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What are "Cloudflare nodes"?
your local cloudflare node hasn't got the latest updates <-- in which logfile or where else can I exactly check, if my "cloudflare nodes" are up-to-date? 8)
"Performing step 1 of 37 - GSX Pro" <-- I have never seen step 2 to 37. It always finishes after 1.
Your whole system and your explanations confuse me very much. Please implement a clear and robust update process.
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What are "Cloudflare nodes"?
You are not downloading from our server directly, all content is automatically replicated by Cloudflare on their CDN, so you are downloading from a node closest to you:
https://www.cloudflare.com/network/
After an update, it might take a day or two for all nodes to catch up, depending how many users downloads from each node.
in which logfile or where else can I exactly check, if my "cloudflare nodes" are up-to-date?
The instructions in the Sticky post explain how you can suspect your local cloudflare node might not be updated, requiring you to use the Offline installer, this is the relevant part:
You can recognize if YOUR node has, by simply noticing if the Live Update doesn't download anything if you run it after this offline installer. If this happens, it means your local Cloudflare node is now fully updated, so you don't need to use this anymore, just the Live Update.
IMPORTANT NOTE: The Airport Services and Jetways sceneries ZIP files are supposed to be always downloaded, this is normal. Those kind of files are thousands of very small files that compress very well, so we found it was faster to always redownload them as single ZIP files, then check thousands of individual files if they are in need of an update.
Unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries bought on the MS Marketplace will also be downloaded every time, this is also normal.
This basically means
- If you run the FSDT Live Update once, then you ran it again, and you notice the ONLY files being re-downloaded are the ones that these instructions say they are expected to be re-downloaded every time, then you are fine, and you DO NOT need the offline installer, because your nodes do have the latest files.
- If you run the FSDT Live Update once, then you ran it again, and you notice that OTHER files are being re-downloaded ( other than the ones listed above as being normal to be always re-downloaded ), it means your cloudflare node hasn't got the latest files yet, so you'll need the Offline installer.
What's important, is the Offline installer is NOT a replacement for the Live Update, because it contains only the core GSX code, not additional models/textures, so you need to use it after the Live Update, not as a replacement for it.
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OK, thank you for these clarifications regarding Cloudflare. :)
To make it sure: Are these the correct exe-files?
Live updater: "D:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager\Couatl_Updater.exe"
Offline installer: "D:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager\Couatl_Updater2.exe"
If I use Live Updater first, then Updater2, I can be sure that I get the newest files?
PS: "Performing step 1 of 37 - GSX Pro" <-- I have never seen step 2 to 37. It always finishes after 1. <-- Could you please comment?
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To make it sure: Are these the correct exe-files?
The reason why the FSDT installer placed icons on the Desktop to start the updater, is precisely so you don't have to wonder which one you need to start, which is always the one BOTH icons points to, which is Couatl_Updater.exe, the program is one and the same, and it just change its interface depending if you start it from the "Live Update" icon or the "FSDT Installer" icon.
The reason why there are two .EXEs, is because the one you are supposed to start ( which BOTH icons point to, so you can't be confused what to start, since the Icons start the program for you ), is that the first .EXE doesn't do anything other than checking if there's a new version of the updater *itself* and if there is one, it will download and use it so, this way, the updater can "update itself", if needed. The one that does most of the work is the 2nd one.
But again, it's not something that concerns you, just use the two icons which enable the two different interfaces, and you won't have to worry what does what.
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I really get crazy now.
I have 3 icons at start:
- FSDT installer <--- 2.3.0 is installed 2.3.0 is latest
- FSDT Live update
- Start Couatl ...
No second icon for update.
EDIT:
OK, now I found the Update at FSDT installer. This first, then live update.
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I have 3 icons at start
You asked about the Live Updater, which is why I said you have 2 icons for it, explaining what they do. Yes, there's a 3rd icon, but it doesn't have anything to do with the updater, it's a shortcut to restart the Couatl engine, for any of these reasons:
- in case it might not start with the sim ( sometimes it happens due to issues with the exe.xml ), so you can start it manually.
- in case it crashed for any reason, so you can start it again.
- in case you want to exit from it intentionally, perhaps because you are sure you don't need GSX for a while ( example, a very long flight ), so you can restart it shortly before landing, or just after.
No second icon for update.
OK, now I found the Update at FSDT installer. This first, then live update.
Nowhere we said to run the Update from the installer and then ALSO from the updater. In fact, I said basically the opposite, they are the SAME program, doing the SAME thing, just with a different interface so, running both is completely useless, since you are basically doing the same thing twice for no reason.
The difference depending which interface is presented are:
- The Live Update will automatically update ALL FSDT products you have installed, and will exit automatically when it's done. It doesn't have any other function other than just updating everything to the last version.
- The FSDT Installer will let you choose WHICH product you want to update, will give you informations about the version, read the release notes, read the manual, uninstall/reinstall, activate/deactivate, find your keys, etc.
If you want absolute accuracy in the description, running the Live Update, is functionally IDENTICAL than running the Installer and clicking the button "Update ALL" and then the button "Exit" when it has completed.
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What is now exactly the "offline installer"? I installed the package, but have no idea where and what it implemented.
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What is now exactly the "offline installer"? I installed the package, but have no idea where and what it implemented.
You mean that, after all my explanation about Cloudflare nodes and how to recognize IF you might need the Offline installer:
https://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,26826.msg190906.html#msg190906
You still don't understand what it does and when it's needed ? What's not clear about what I wrote, and of course the first post in this thread, which explains exactly that ? I'll try it again, as simple as I can:
- The Offline installer is an alternate updater that contains just the main GSX code ( the program logic and code-related bugfixes ), which should be used only in case you suspect your local Cloudflare node might not been updated yet so, instead of waiting a day or more for your node to eventually catch up with all the latest files, you can get at least the latest code updates immediately.
It's ONLY required in this case, and it's NOT a replacement for the Live Update, because it only contains code updates, not everything that has been added with updates ( GSX is about 8GB download, so it clearly cannot be replaced by a 130MB offline installer! )
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Umberto, you say that the Live updater and the update functionality of the installer are the same program. This maybe true, bur they do not do the same. E.g.: the Live Updater always changes my GSX configuration, while using the installer to update, the configuration stays the same.
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E.g.: the Live Updater always changes my GSX configuration, while using the installer to update, the configuration stays the same.
I might be able to reply if you could clarify what do you mean exactly with "GSX Configuration": there are multiple configuration files and settings, so it's not clear what you are referring to.
And, I said the Live Update is functionally identical to the "Update ALL" function of the installer, not to everything else the installer does.
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E.g.:
I do not use GSX jetways, so in the config I moved all airports to the right (disabled) column.
When I use the Installer for an update, after the update all airports are still disabled.
When I use the Live Updater, after the update some airports appear i the left (enabled) column.
I should say: "when I start an update run..." (this appears even if no update is downloaded except for the files that are always downloaded) and "after the update run..."
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When I use the Live Updater, after the update some airports appear i the left (enabled) column.
I tried it just now, did the following:
- Placed all jetways replacements on the Disabled list with the installer, ran the Update check, all jetway files stays Disabled.
- Ran the Live Update, no jetway files are being reinstalled.
- Enter the Installer again, all jetway files are still Disabled.
- Run an Update from the installer, all jetway files are still Disabled.
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I ran 5 test runs now, it is always the same. And it is always the same airports.
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I ran 5 test runs now, it is always the same. And it is always the same airports.
Here's a video showing it doesn't do that:
https://youtu.be/5y31Dg0lNsI (https://youtu.be/5y31Dg0lNsI)
Are you doing something different ?
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This is exactly what I did and what happened in my test runs mentioned above, except for:
- the Live Updater does not perform most of the steps 2 onwards, due to I have only installed 2 other FSDT products (the Zurich airport and the Basel airport), and I have purchased the Switzerland Meshes, but not installed them because they cause massive fps drops)
- the results differ (as you can see in my picture above).
But:
I ran another update test. This time, I unticked the "SU10 Navdata" option before the update run. Now all airports remained in the "disabled" column.
I ran one more update test, now with the "SU10 Navdata" option ticked again, and the results were again as described in my last post.
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I ran another update test. This time, I unticked the "SU10 Navdata" option before the update run. Now all airports remained in the "disabled" column. I ran one more update test, now with the "SU10 Navdata" option ticked again, and the results were again as described in my last post.
That option cannot possibly have any effect on the update process, since the only thing it does, is to write a 0 or 1 on the airportcache parameter in the Couatl_MSFS.ini file, nothing else so, it's completely unrelated to the jetway replacement files.
Of course, now you wrote about it, I tried it too, and can't see any difference with the option enabled or disabled.
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Anyway, I found a solution for me now: untick SU10 Navdata option before running an update. That's ok for me.
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Umberto, maybe you forget to update this thread, as far as I know, the actual Offline installer version is not March 3rd, 2023, but March 5rd, 2023. This is almost what say the last version I have downloaded and correspond to Version 2.3.1. of the installer.
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Umberto, maybe you forget to update this thread, as far as I know, the actual Offline installer version is not March 3rd, 2023, but March 5rd, 2023.
Yes, I forgot to update the thread, although the Offline executable is updated.
But more on that, I'm curious to know why you are still depending on the Offline update:
Are you STILL being sure your local cloudflare node is outdated, so you keep getting the Live Update downloading the same files over and over (other than the ones that *are* supposed to be always downloaded, as in the 1st post instructions ), so you are forced to use the Offline installer to get them ?
I'm asking just to be sure you are aware the Offline updater should only installed as a last resort and *after* running the Live Update and realizing you might not have the latest files, and not as a replacement for the Live Update, because it's doesn't contain every new file, just the main core of the GSX code.
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THX for the fix. Was getting frustrated with the Couatl error msg and a never ending swirling Loading GSX Menu pls wait. Works fine now.
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But more on that, I'm curious to know why you are still depending on the Offline update:
Are you STILL being sure your local cloudflare node is outdated, so you keep getting the Live Update downloading the same files over and over (other than the ones that *are* supposed to be always downloaded, as in the 1st post instructions ), so you are forced to use the Offline installer to get them ?
I is very simple, I took the habit to first, use the "FSDT Universal Installer" to update and then AFTER, to always run the last version of your "OFFLINE Installer" I have just downloaded, without anymore, to even try to understand/check if the Universal Installer has fully or not fully installed the last version (local cloudflare outdated or not).
Why I am doing that way ? Because, your system is so nebulous, without any clear & explicit feed back's for both Install & Check functions, that doing that way, I am almost sure to have the last version, fully and properly installed.
OK, since some versions, this Universal Installer has a version and a button "Update/Check". But when I press "Check" the program behave like if it update stuff's (writing a lot of time the "update" word in its actions descriptions, which are a lot, almost like a regular update, in fact) and NEVER say, at the end "Your local cloudflare and installed version is complete and up to date", which is what I would expect from a "Check" function.
I'm asking just to be sure you are aware the Offline updater should only installed as a last resort and *after* running the Live Update and realizing you might not have the latest files, and not as a replacement for the Live Update, because it's doesn't contain every new file, just the main core of the GSX code.
As I just explained before, I fully take in account what you explain here.
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I is very simple, I took the habit to first, use the "FSDT Universal Installer" to update and then AFTER, to always run the last version of your "OFFLINE Installer" I have just downloaded, without anymore, to even try to understand/check if the Universal Installer has fully or not fully installed the last version (local cloudflare outdated or not).
That exactly what the instructions here are saying, run it after the Live Update.
Your version of the procedure is different only because you don't want to pay notice if the some files (other then the ones the instructions say are always supposed to be redownloaded ) are getting re-downloaded over and over, which would be a symptom your local node is not updated, so you always use the offline installer.
No problem with that, it will surely work, the only thing you'll risk is to download the offline installer when there wasn't any reason to do so, but it will always work.
? Because, your system is so nebulous, without any clear & explicit feed back's for both Install & Check functions, that doing that way, I am almost sure to have the last version, fully and properly installed.
The system is very clear and in fact, you are confirming yourself you are getting it, at least the part that running the Offline installer as the last thing to do will get you the latest version of the code. You still seem to have issues about the next part, the one below: understanding when you don't need it.
OK, since some versions, this Universal Installer has a version and a button "Update/Check". But when I press "Check" the program behave like if it update stuff's (writing a lot of time the "update" word in its actions descriptions, which are a lot, almost like a regular update, in fact) and NEVER say, at the end "Your local cloudflare and installed version is complete and up to date", which is what I would expect from a "Check" function.
You making it sound as if this is a problem. The button is just NAMED "Check", but what it does it's always an "Update", meaning the code it runs when you click it is exactly the same.
It's like this following users suggestions, who in the previous version ( which always said "Update" ), were confused by assuming that, when they saw "Update", it was some kind of notification of a new version, so we had to explain than no, the button wasn't an indication of some status, it was just a way to start a update Check. Now, it says "Update" only when the version you have doesn't match what's on the server, and it goes to "Check" if the match so yes, now it also indicates an "Update is available".
But again, it's running exactly the same code.
You said you are being confused by the usage of the "update" words in the action *description*. Not sure how exactly the program would be easier to understand if the description started with "checking if there's an update for", other than taking more screen space and giving less time to read it.
But that's besides the point. The point is, to understand if your local cloudflare node *might* have a problem, which would require to use the Offline installer, the instructions here clearly said to pay attention to what is being DOWNLOADED, and it clearly indicates 3 categories of files that will always be downloaded, under the big, bold "IMPORTANT NOTE" heading which I'll copy it again here:
IMPORTANT NOTE: The Airport Services and Jetways sceneries ZIP files are supposed to be always downloaded, this is normal. Those kind of files are thousands of very small files that compress very well, so we found it was faster to always redownload them as single ZIP files, then check thousands of individual files if they are in need of an update.
Unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries bought on the MS Marketplace will also be downloaded every time, this is also normal.
Instead of the action description, you should pay attention to the log that is happening below the progress bars, and the keyword here is DOWNLOADING
So, putting together the previous informations, it becomes very easy knowing if you need the Offline installer or not:
- Do you see any files OTHER then the The Airport Services, the Jetways ZIP files and FSDT GSX profiles being DOWNLOADED over and over, even if you run the Live Update twice in a row ?
- If YES, then you NEED the Offline installer, because your local cloudflare node hasn't been updated yet.
- If NO, your local node is up to date, so you don't need the Offline installer.
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@Umberto:
You write:
"Unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries bought on the MS Marketplace will also be downloaded every time, this is also normal."
But:
On my system, the Live Updater as well as the Universal Installer ALWAYS downloads unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries, although I bought them directly from your store.
Is this also "normal"?
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On my system, the Live Updater as well as the Universal Installer ALWAYS downloads unencrypted versions of FSDT airport files for FSDT sceneries, although I bought them directly from your store.Is this also "normal"?
It's normal, it just made the code simpler, and it's ready in case we'll ever reintroduce a smaller version of the old "airport cache" method, one that will use the Navdata API for everything, but will read a custom .BGL ONLY from the %APPDATA% folder ( not the whole Community ), to leave open the chance for profile authors to override the scenery own .BGL with a custom version made for GSX.
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That exactly what the instructions here are saying, run it after the Live Update.
Your version of the procedure is different only because you don't want to pay notice if the some files (other then the ones the instructions say are always supposed to be redownloaded ) are getting re-downloaded over and over, which would be a symptom your local node is not updated, so you always use the offline installer.
No problem with that, it will surely work, the only thing you'll risk is to download the offline installer when there wasn't any reason to do so, but it will always work.
You are right, I don't want to pay notice if the some files (other then the ones the instructions say are always supposed to be redownloaded) are getting re-downloaded over and over. I found much more easy and rapid to just download the OFFLINE installer file, corresponding to the update and to apply it.
And you say that "the system is very clear" !!! I died laughing !!! Do-you see the length of the previous quote ?
Moreover, you precise what I was suspecting already, that "check", in fact, does exactly the same as "update". Incredible !!! Probably, you will say now that this is very clever and subtle ! I am speechless !
Sorry, Umberto, I persist and sign. Your system is very nebulous, not explicit at all and very badly designed.
It is is not our duty to check if some file are downloaded and re-downloaded. This was acceptable in the beginning of this problem with local cloudflare node and if you name a button "Check" it must perform a REAL check. You have to found the way, on your side, that your updater code is able to perform a real check, that everthing is OK !
The day your "Check" will be a REAL CHECK, I will use it, instead of using systematically your OFFLINE Installer.
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And you say that "the system is very clear" !!! I died laughing !!! Do-you see the length of the previous quote ?
The length of the explanation was only caused by your previous lack of understanding how it works, and my bad habit of being extremely through in my explanations, it doesn't have anything to do with the system itself.
In fact, if you remove the EXPLANATION, it goes down to just 3 LINES:
- Do you see any files OTHER then the The Airport Services, the Jetways ZIP files and FSDT GSX profiles being DOWNLOADED over and over, even if you run the Live Update twice in a row ?
- If YES, then you NEED the Offline installer, because your local cloudflare node hasn't been updated yet.
- If NO, your local node is up to date, so you don't need the Offline installer.
And that's it.
Moreover, you precise what I was suspecting already, that "check", in fact, does exactly the same as "update". Incredible !!! Probably, you will say now that this is very clever and subtle ! I am speechless !
That's what I always said even before, when it always read "Update". Some people found confusing it always read "Update", and suggested to change it into "Check", and we always listed to user suggestions, when they make sense.
It is is not our duty to check if some file are downloaded and re-downloaded. This was acceptable in the beginning of this problem with local cloudflare node and if you name a button "Check" it must perform a REAL check. You have to found the way, on your side, that your updater code is able to
The day your "Check" will be a REAL CHECK, I will use it, instead of using systematically your OFFLINE Installer
It's precisely because the check IS A REAL CHECK, that is is verifying each file, one by one, to be the correct one, that you are even a CHANCE to KNOW there might be a problem with the downloaded file.
If it wasn't, you won't have any clue that something wasn't the latest version, it would surely make the check way faster ( since it wouldn't be a "real check" as it is now ), and you would be sure to have "the latest version", just because the version number matched.
It is is not our duty to check if some file are downloaded and re-downloaded.
Amongst all the thing you said, this is the the only one that makes some sense. I think the software can be updated to do this check for you, so it can at least alert you if something is wrong with the files online, not being the one to be expected.
This was acceptable in the beginning of this problem with local cloudflare node
No. There will always be some delay, you cannot obviously expect 270+ nodes all getting in sync "immediately", the only difference is "in the beginning", we released so many files, that it took longer than normal for all of them to catch up, but they eventually did.
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This whole discussion would be unnecessary, if only you, FSDT, gave us, the users, a decent installer, updater respectively. Meaning in this case: give us checkboxes to decide wether or not we want to download the jetways, the services, the unencrypted airport files.
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This whole discussion would be unnecessary, if only you, FSDT, gave us, the users, a decent installer, updater respectively. Meaning in this case: give us checkboxes to decide wether or not we want to download the jetways, the services, the unencrypted airport files.
It's not you that can possibly know or are supposed to know if those (or anything else for that matter ) that need an update or not.
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"It's not you that can possibly know or are supposed to know if those (or anything else for that matter ) that need an update or not."
It is obviously also not the updater that knows it, otherwise it was not necessary to download those files all the time.
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Umberto the polemist is back ! ;D ! And today, like Lucky Luke, he shoots faster than his shadow ! ;D
The length of the explanation was only caused by your previous lack of understanding how it works, and my bad habit of being extremely through in my explanations, it doesn't have anything to do with the system itself.
Where can-you deduct in my initial answer to YOUR question, that I don't understand how it work ? I just explained why I systematically use your last OFFLINE installer version, after having performed an update from the "FSDT Live Installer".
For all the rest of your polemic, I just repeat that I DO NOT AGREE AT ALL with all your nebulous explanation.
A correct check procedure would be a code with perform the following feedback's on the user display:
- Ckecking, please wait, this procedure may take some minutes...
Then the display of some progress bar and finally, at the end:
- Your installed version is OK and fully up to date.
Or, of course, if it is not the case and unfortunately the "check" function detected some problems, the best description of all problems found and the best way to remedy.
Now, Umberto, can we stop with this steril polemic ? You have probably better things to do than to loose your time with me.
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Where can-you deduct in my initial answer to YOUR question, that I don't understand how it work ? I just explained why I systematically use your last OFFLINE installer version, after having performed an update from the "FSDT Live Installer".
Precisely from the fact you "systematically" always use the Offline installer, when it's more likely you don't have to. That indicates you either haven't fully understood HOW to know if you need it or not, or you like to waste time doing a procedure that might not always required. In fact, most of the time is not. In fact, a few days after an update, it never is, because cloudflare nodes always catch up.
Don't you find telling that, these discussions ONLY came out after some update ? If we never had updates for a while, nobody would ever question how the Live Update works because, when all cloudflare nodes eventually catch up everywhere, the operation is obviously flawless. This is a fact.
For all the rest of your polemic, I just repeat that I DO NOT AGREE AT ALL with all your nebulous explanation.
Fact you don't agree with it, doesn't make the explanation "nebulous".
Now, Umberto, can we stop with this steril polemic ? You have probably better things to do than to loose your time with me.
You should have stopped here, when I said:
Amongst all the things you said, this is the the only one that makes some sense. I think the software can be updated to do this check for you, so it can at least alert you if something is wrong with the files online, not being the one to be expected.
That's because, opposite to you, I'm willing to find the good bits in what you wrote, instead of making a blanket statement like "I DO NOT AGREE AT ALL". I also don't agree to ALMOST all you wrote, but THIS suggestion I can take.
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Precisely from the fact you "systematically" always use the Offline installer, when it's more likely you don't have to.
That does not mean AT ALL that I didn't understood since long, the mess of your update system.
AGAIN, I just consider it is much more simple for me, to systematically download and execute your OFFLINE installer after an update, rather than to perform your proposed check procedure in order to be sure that they are no installation/update problem. Is is my right to proceed that way, yes or no ?
You asked to me, why I was doing that way, I answered to you, so now, PLEASE, let me in peace and don't start to say to me now, that it is me who should have stopped this polemic at some point !!!
That is incredible ! YOU started this polemic after my answer, with pure suppositions, most of them, unkind to me and I should have accepted that ?!?
You better put all that energy into seriously reviewing this whole update system.
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That does not mean AT ALL that I didn't understood since long, the mess of your update system.
And that's precisely why I put both an "EITHER" and an "OR" in my sentence:
That indicates you either haven't fully understood HOW to know if you need it or not, or you like to waste time doing a procedure that might not always required.
Is is my right to proceed that way, yes or no ?
Sure, it seems you are denying my right to explain you might not have to and, most of the time, you are just wasting your time.
You better put all that energy into seriously reviewing this whole update system.
There's no need to "seriously" reviewing anything, since it's works perfectly fine and, as I've said, the only improvement where I could take the only suggestion you made that ever made some sense, is just doing the check for "which files I need to check to know if my node is outdated" automatically.
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There's no need to "seriously" reviewing anything, since it's works perfectly fine and, as I've said, the only improvement where I could take the only suggestion you made that ever made some sense, is just doing the check for "which files I need to check to know if my node is outdated" automatically.
I don't figure out what you mean exactly, but if it is that your "Check" button perform a real check, like I proposed before, or something equivalent (I mean, something simple and clear for the lambda user, without to display first a whole confusing update procedure like, but to just do your required checking behind the scene and without forgetting to explicitly answer to the "Check" question), I vote for it and will adopt it immediately, like I said before.
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if it is that your "Check" button perform a real check
By keep using this "real check" adjective (implying it doesn't do it now), you are further confirming what I was suspecting all along, which is that you still don't understand what I explained.
Or, we are not agreeing on the very meaning of "real check" which to me seems like you are asking for "an easier to understand check as I would like to have", which I confirmed (multiple times by now), can probably made easier to understand if it just keep track of what we are now suggesting to keep track of in the instructions on the Sticky thread.
That would make it easier to understand. It would of course not change ANYTHING in the way the check if made. It's already a "real check" and it will be identical even with that change, just you won't have to pay attention to it, and that's it.
- It will still download exactly the same files
- It will still suffer from a possibly outdated cloudflare node
- If will still require to download the Offline installer, if you are affected by that case.
So, again, it will be identical, save for the requirement for YOU to keep track of what is being redownloaded over and over, to know if you are affected.
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- It will still suffer from a possibly outdated cloudflare node
- If will still require to download the Offline installer, if you are affected by that case.
And this is exactly what I try to explain to you since the beginning !
Your cloudflare node problems and the way we must proceed to be sure we do not suffer of it, is just OBSCURE, COMPLICATE, and to my humble opinion, NOT ACCEPTABLE.
And my solution to this problem, is to simply always apply the OFFLINE installer file.
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@ACSoft
The reason why I do not use the offline installer is:
9 of 10 professional antivirus/firewall companies that I sent the offlne installer file to answered that this file contains virus code.FSDT claims that those companies are wrong, but I never saw a certificate from FSDT that confirms this file is virus-free.
I asked FSDT to confirm that it is virus-free by publishing a respective certificate, but this post was deleted by Umberto.
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@ACSoft
The reason why I do not use the offline installer is:
9 of 10 professional antivirus/firewall companies that I sent the offlne installer file to answered that this file contains virus code.FSDT claims that those companies are wrong, but I never saw a certificate from FSDT that confirms this file is virus-free.
I asked FSDT to confirm that it is virus-free by publishing a respective certificate, but this post was deleted by Umberto.
Interesting information.
Personnaly, I never had a virus problem with this OFFLINE Installer file and my PC use one of the most reputed anti-virus.
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9 of 10 professional antivirus/firewall companies that I sent the offlne installer file to answered that this file contains virus code.
Let's try to be a bit more serious when doing such claims, shouldn't we ? Let's see what virustotal has to say about it:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/b77faba8e4076d86432e18fee9106973a518e2f3852344dcb55305700d64a619?nocache=1
Not a single detection, over Couatl64_MSFS.EXE, just made the check now.
FSDT claims that those companies are wrong, but I never saw a certificate from FSDT that confirms this file is virus-free.
And with this kind of attitude, what a "certificate from FSDT" would convince you of anything ? Of course, I can do much better to prove you wrong:
(http://www.virtualisoftware.com/images/trend_micro.png)
That is just last week, when I sent a sample to Trend Micro to report a FALSE POSITIVE by their antivirus, which they obviously CONFIRMED it was in fact a false positive. So yes, as usual, my claim were accurate, and Trend Micro HAS admitted they were wrong, as expected.
I asked FSDT to confirm that it is virus-free by publishing a respective certificate, but this post was deleted by Umberto.
It wasn't deleted because of that, and you know very well, because I even sent you a PM explaining why.
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@Umberto
I suggest that you publish a respective certificate from at least 5 of the major antivirus/firewall companies. For every version of your offline installer file , of course.
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I suggest that you publish a respective certificate from at least 5 of the major antivirus/firewall companies. For every version of your offline installer file , of course.
It seems you must have missed this from my last reply:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/b77faba8e4076d86432e18fee9106973a518e2f3852344dcb55305700d64a619?nocache=1
Not a single detection, over Couatl64_MSFS.EXE, just made the check now. Far more than 5 companies.
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Obviously, I missed that.
Please post a respective link for the offline installer.
And please post it for every new version of the offline installer (aka Addon Manager.exe)
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Please post a respective link for the offline installer.
There you have it:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/c66da769727d804a65dbca3173a8229cf83893393661e73cfe9717facebf673e
ZERO detections, of course.
And please post it for every new version of the offline installer (aka Addon Manager.exe)
Just no, it's not out duty to do that. If you don't trust a file that is Digital Signed with our Authenticode signature, for which we pay yearly fees PRECISELY to make you sure our files are safe, it's already going beyond what's reasonable, and it's not our job to fix antivirus vendors False Positives, even in some cases it's useful to report it, at least I could post that reply to prove it to you.
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Hi can't update via GOOGLE no access
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Hi can't update via GOOGLE no access
That's precisely why we have two links to download from. Google sometimes randomly blocks the file, just because it's "new", we request a review, they whitelist it again.
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So the January 23, 2023 update says internal support was added for the PMDG DC-6 but that doesn't seem to be the case. Was this support removed in later updates or did it somehow get broken along the way?
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So the January 23, 2023 update says internal support was added for the PMDG DC-6 but that doesn't seem to be the case. Was this support removed in later updates or did it somehow get broken along the way?
bump!
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So the January 23, 2023 update says internal support was added for the PMDG DC-6 but that doesn't seem to be the case. Was this support removed in later updates or did it somehow get broken along the way?
Same question. And so far as I know, there is no answer whereever you search for. Even in the PMDG forum I got no answer from users. Nobody seemst to know...
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Same question. And so far as I know, there is no answer whereever you search for. Even in the PMDG forum I got no answer from users. Nobody seemst to know...
It's a mistake of the release notes, there's not support for the DC-6 yet. It will come.
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Hello.
I would like to know if there is any way to fix the B777 pushback problem. Well, after a pushback call, the front axle of the aircraft is pulled underground. Sometimes it happens that there will even be a collision and the game assumes that the plane is crashing
Thank you
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If with "B777", you mean Captain Sim 777, the airplane really has big problems with contact points, another user posted a while ago how to fix it, but it changes a lot depending if the WorldlinerRS/Salty mod is installed or not ( it's much better, but still needs some fixing if the mod is installed), and it looks like that mod hasn't been updated in a while and doesn't work well with the current version of the airplane.
The main issue is, the static contact points are just wrong in the airplane (amongst other even more serious things on the flight model, making the GSX pushback issues really moot in comparison), so the airplane doesn't stay correctly on ground if the simulation is disabled, which is a problem specific to that airplane, and cannot be fixed other than by fixing the airplane, as other users did.
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In that case, apart from trying to fix it yourself, all you have to do is wait, and hope that the author of B777 CapitanSim will fix/make a patch.
Thank you for your answer :)
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So so so so so happy you added a timer for showing us our gate at the destination. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
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Offline installer still 2.7.3?
I updated to 2.7.4 through the fsdtinstaller and now I get a bunch of errors after MSFS startup.
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Something’s wrong. Twice my simulator completely froze up, while loading pax. Even ctrl-alt-delete did nothing. Had to manually shut down the computer.
With GSX currently “uninstalled”, I.E. deactivated, so far all’s good.
After updating to 7.4 as well.
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hi in the fsdt universall intsaller i click update all but it still shows nothing 2.7.5 is latest but cant even install it please help im not tech minded everything was working great up till september
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Same problem here (https://imgur.com/a/8nwwpIN)
Latest version 2.7.5
20:48:19: can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\CONVIASA.png' (error 0: de bewerking is voltooid.)
20:48:19: Failed to load image from file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\CONVIASA.png".
20:48:20: can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\LASER.png' (error 0: de bewerking is voltooid.)
20:48:20: Failed to load image from file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\LASER.png".
20:48:20: can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\MRV.png' (error 0: de bewerking is voltooid.)
20:48:20: Failed to load image from file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\MRV.png".
20:48:20: can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\SIACA.png' (error 0: de bewerking is voltooid.)
20:48:20: Failed to load image from file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\SIACA.png".
20:48:20: can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\WN_WHITE.png' (error 0: de bewerking is voltooid.)
20:48:20: Failed to load image from file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\handling\WN_WHITE.png".
20:48:20: can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\catering\CONVIASA.png' (error 0: de bewerking is voltooid.)
20:48:20: Failed to load image from file "C:\Program Files (x86)\Addon Manager/texture\thumbnails\catering\CONVIASA.png".
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Same problem here (https://imgur.com/a/8nwwpIN)
Latest version 2.7.5
Have you posted this in the wrong thread ?
This is the Offline installer thread, and it's not possible you would see that error if you really downloaded and installed the 2.7.5 Offline installer because, as already explained in the proper thread about this error, which is caused by your local cloudflare node not updated, the thumbnails for all operators are INCLUDED the Offline installer, so it's just not possible they won't be found.
This, of course, assuming you redownloaded the latest offline installer because, clearly, being "offline", you must redownload it every time there's an update.
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Yes I did ;D
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Yes I did ;D
Not very clear if with "Yes I did", you were replying to my question about posting in the wrong thread, or to the question about downloading the offline installer.
To be sure nothing is left unanswered, I can only repeat and confirm, if you download the Offline installer after Sep. 18th, you can be sure it contains all thumbnails, so that error is not really possible.
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Yes I posted this in the wrong thread, I update via the FSDT Installer
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This 'offline installer' is quite confusing. Do we simply need to download from Box or Mediafire, run the install of the download from Box or Mediafire and we're all done?? Your instructions are unclear. Please explain a bit more if possible. Thank you.
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Do we simply need to download from Box or Mediafire, run the install of the download from Box or Mediafire and we're all done?? Your instructions are unclear. Please explain a bit more if possible.
Yes, but it's not a replacement for the Live Update, you should use it:
- After a Live Update
- ONLY if you suspect you might be affected by your local cloudflare node still not update, which can be usually noticed if you see files being downloaded over and over, even if you run the Live Update twice in a row.
Only files which are not supposed to be always downloaded, because those that are, are labeled in the updater text windows as "always downloaded", so you shouldn't worry about these.
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At the moment I'm really glad that the offline installers are offeren. Since 2.7.4 most of the addon-ground-handling or catering is not achievable for me from the live updater. I know that there is a node-problem causing this. But without this offline installer I would always get those texture missing failures. Thank you for that solution :)
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Hi Umberto!
Firstly, thank you and your team for all the updates to GSX so far! definitely one of my essential addons!
With the recent amount of love being given to the PMDG 737, I was wondering if you had any updates on the custom loader (for lower cargo hold areas when selecting a Cargo variant so it's not just suitcases being loaded) and the new fuel truck for planes with low height?
Thanks again for all your work!
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The new Fuel trucks are still in the work, the animation is fairly complex, and we want to do it right.
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Take as much time as you need! I'm just happy to know it's still in the works! I just ask to not forget about the non-suitcase cargo loaders for 737 and alike <3
Again, thank you for all the updates!
UPDATE 12/15/23 - Thank you for the cargo loaders! <3
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What's fastest way to install GSX Pro? I've spent the last few hours installing now.
Is this normal?
Apologies, if I haven't spent the time scrolling through previous posts.
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To update my GSX Pro for MSFS, after installation of Addon Manager from the first page, should I do something more?
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I tried downloading from both the online and offline installer. I am now at hour 30 and at 29% with the offline installer. I have tried re-installing, both the launchers, and gsx multiple times. I have tried de-activating the subscription multiple times, and still to no avail. I have been trying for over a week to get it to download and still nothing. I have also tried running the online download for over 24 hour periods and nothing.
If anyone knows a workaround other than an offline installer please let me know. I have had gsx pro working in the past and it took around an hour to download fully. My PC has since then had a few technical issues, but now that I'm back nothing seems to be working.
I tried everything I could see on the support pages and it didn't fix anything for me.
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Now this is unlikely, but could it have anything to do with my community folder and addon manager folder being on two separate drives?
My Addon Manager Folder is on my C: drive
My Virtuali folder is on my C: drive
My Community Folder is on my D: drive.
Both of these drives are M.2 NVMe drives.
Again, I'm just bringing this up because I'm brainstorming what my issue could be.
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Now this is unlikely, but could it have anything to do with my community folder and addon manager folder being on two separate drives?
Of course not, the installer is made precisely to allow this, and it's how my system is configured as well ( Addon Manager in its default folder in C: and MSFS Community in E:\MSFS\Community ) so no, that's guaranteed to be working
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Great update!
Do you think it would be possible in the future to also have ground handlers crounching to not walk through the fuselage when setting/removing the bypass pin?
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Do you think it would be possible in the future to also have ground handlers crounching to not walk through the fuselage when setting/removing the bypass pin?
That's another thing this update made possible.
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I am unable to use the Live Update tool to configure GSX. Was working fine yesterday and I updated GSX to the latest version.
Today, however an update starts, looks like it is updating the Live Update tool itself, it gets to step 6 of 38 and then terminates.
I have used the offline installer, but I want to be able to configure GSX for a new add on airport, but I can't get past this incessant update.
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Today, however an update starts, looks like it is updating the Live Update tool itself, it gets to step 6 of 38 and then terminates.
As explained so many times, that's normal, nothing changed, and it always was like this. Each step means you have an FSDT product installed, so it will be updated. So, unless you have ALL FSDT products installed (for MSFS and FSX), you'll never see all 38 steps completed, because it won't try to update something you don't even have.
And, after the last step (of the installed steps), it quits automatically. That's how the Live Update always worked.
I can't get past this incessant update.
I don't know what you mean by "incessant update".
It's not as if the updater starts by itself: it starts when you call it so, each time you call it, it will CHECK for updates for all products you have installed. That doesn't mean it's updating them, but it takes some time to just check.
I have used the offline installer
And in the instructions (top of THIS thread), says that SOME files are supposed to always be downloaded, and it explains why. Again, nothing changed.
but I want to be able to configure GSX for a new add on airport
That's because you are starting the wrong icon. If you start from the "FSDT Live Update" icon, it will JUST update. If you want to configure something, you must start it with the "FSDT INSTALLER" icon instead.