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Title: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 15, 2020, 12:55:12 am
Fsdreamteam Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 Released

Fsdreamteam is happy to announce the release of Zurich Airport for MSFS 2020, a complete remake of one of their most successful products.

Every object made using 100% PBR, with most textures in 4K.
Photoreal background image, from a recent flight ( end of 2019 ), from a very high resolution image from the official Swissimage source.
Very accurate ground markings.
Fully Dynamic lighting, with hundreds of light sources individually placed, for a spectacular night flight experience.
Most buildings remodeled in higher detail, for 5x more polygons.
Highly detailed custom jetways.
Sloped runways, with accurate altitude profiles.
Rega base with highly detailed helicopter models.
Animated people on Observation Deck.

The scenery is available now, and it's priced only 9.99 USD. It can be bought on FSDT Website now, on Simmarket, and will be available on the MS Marketplace in the next days.

Link for image of product:

https://simultech.ch/?p=375 (https://simultech.ch/?p=375)

or from Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/virtualisagl/ (https://www.facebook.com/virtualisagl/)
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: B777ER on November 15, 2020, 02:10:26 am
 When is the P3D version that I and everyone else I know are still using coming out??
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: looping on November 15, 2020, 02:21:30 am
Any other source for pictures and more information?
I have no FB account and will never have...

Ernst
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 15, 2020, 02:38:42 am
Any other source for pictures and more information?

We have a page for Zurich for MSFS on our site.

Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 15, 2020, 02:40:47 am
When is the P3D version that I and everyone else I know are still using coming out??

There's no P3D version planned. Aerosoft has a perfectly fine version that is specifically made for P3D, that has been updated in 2018.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: Thralni on November 15, 2020, 03:26:52 am
Any other source for pictures and more information?

We have a page for Zurich for MSFS on our site.


Unfortunately I can’t seem to view any of the screenshots, in either Safari or Chrome?
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 15, 2020, 03:51:56 am
Unfortunately I can’t seem to view any of the screenshots, in either Safari or Chrome?

There must be a server update issue, since I can see them but, it's likely your local Cloudflare node still not update. Maybe they'll appear later.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: Kai-Uwe on November 15, 2020, 07:46:42 am
What a surprise in the morning, thanks a lot for Zürich :)!

Kai
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: thomasl123 on November 15, 2020, 08:33:39 am
Dear fsdt,

thx a lot for Zurich in MSFS 2020.

I don't know if it is just a problem at my sim,
but at Gate A15 with the A320Neo i have this.

https://abload.de/img/lszhstand15uoki2.jpg (https://abload.de/img/lszhstand15uoki2.jpg)

Any idea?

Thank you, all the best.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: jannier on November 15, 2020, 09:23:35 am
Unfortunately I can’t seem to view any of the screenshots, in either Safari or Chrome?

There must be a server update issue, since I can see them but, it's likely your local Cloudflare node still not update. Maybe they'll appear later.
Hi Umberto,

This is the error message in chrome when trying to open the website screenshots.

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/images_new/lszh_msfs/Screen_LSZH_01.jpg

Not Found
The requested URL /images_new/lszh_msfs/Screen_LSZH_01.jpg was not found on this server.

Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Server at www.fsdreamteam.com Port 80

Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: Alessandro on November 15, 2020, 10:43:22 am
We have a problem with the server cache, you can see the images from here:

https://simultech.ch/?p=375 (https://simultech.ch/?p=375)

or from Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/virtualisagl/ (https://www.facebook.com/virtualisagl/)
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: furger on November 15, 2020, 01:10:07 pm
When is the P3D version that I and everyone else I know are still using coming out??

There's no P3D version planned. Aerosoft has a perfectly fine version that is specifically made for P3D, that has been updated in 2018.
Too sad! After a long, long waiting period . . .
:( :( :(
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 15, 2020, 01:38:13 pm
I don't know if it is just a problem at my sim, but at Gate A15 with the A320Neo i have this.

You parked a bit too close to the terminal, and the jetway head tried its best to reach the door anyway. Yes, a real jetway might not be able to do that but, we purposely gave more freedom to move, so it will attach more easily, especially with AI, which might not always park as they should.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: ahuimanu on November 15, 2020, 01:44:14 pm
FSDT has made it clear that they have left the Prepar3d business.  Others have not, so you can vote with your wallet.  I don't think it will matter is it seems clean that there's more $$$ in MSFS.

I don't like it either, BTW.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: Jerrymc3 on November 15, 2020, 02:14:34 pm
I'm really disappointed to hear that.  I have a lot invested in P3Dv4.5; 60+ airports, Orbx Regions, weather addons, Prosim737 with a home built cockpit.  I'm now retired and can't afford to invest in a new sim platform.  I really hope other developers stick with P3dv4 for a while.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 15, 2020, 02:22:06 pm
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FSDT has made it clear that they have left the Prepar3d business

We made it clear we haven't, since our premier product, that is GSX, is still fully developed for P3D as we speak. We released an update *YESTERDAY* ( we still haven't found time to update the release notes, but it will come up shortly ), which adds a new useful feature for developers to integrate better with GSX, and will be used by FS Labs soon.

Airports are an entirely different thing, meaning we cannot ignore MSFS and, if we didn't took action fast, we would have ended up with no products to sell in the new sim, since MSFS is not directly backward compatible with FSX like P3D was, and a proper conversion requires a lot of work in any case.

Fact is, the MSFS SDK, even if it's not completed yet, so you still can't have your FS Labs/PMDG/Leonardo planes and we can't do a proper GSX *yet*, it's very workable to do airport sceneries, and lots of things it does, cuts dramatically on development time.

Explaining this is really out of the scope of a post but, the two main things that affect this are the way the simulator handles sloped airport/runways, and the fact it has proper realtime shadows and Ambient Occlusion and a vastly improved lighting engine, make it easier and faster to model objects and textures in a way that will look good in the sim. And this makes it HARDER to "port back" to P3D, because if we took all the things we added to update CYVR and LSZH to MSFS back in P3D, they would look very bad, like a sim from 20 years ago, because they have been made *assuming* they would run on a certain kind of graphic engine, which is very different than P3D.

Others have not, so you can vote with your wallet.  I don't think it will matter is it seems clean that there's more $$$ in MSFS.

That what happens when people are voting with their wallets.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: B777ER on November 15, 2020, 03:02:37 pm
Yep, MSFS is nothing more than a scenery simulator with a bunch of default Cessna's flying around. Quite pitiful really. And you cannot say you haven't abandoned P3D with your only fall back being GSX!! Come on, all you all are doing is issuing occasional updates for one tools type product with zero scenery coming anymore and you are going to sit here and use that for the right to say you haven't abandoned P3D? Nobody is falling for that. If that makes you sleep better at night than whatever, but everyone else knows your company has abandoned P3D. If I ever move to MSFS (and that is a big if as I have no confidence in Microsoft not pulling the plug on Asobo prior to the SDK being to the point we see PMDG/FSL in the sim a year or two from now), I will not buy anything anymore from FSDT on a matter of principle alone. Gaya or someone else will get my money.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 15, 2020, 03:48:37 pm
Yep, MSFS is nothing more than a scenery simulator with a bunch of default Cessna's flying around.

This will obviously change once advanced 3rd party airplanes will come out. Check how many *years* it took AFTER P3D originally came out, to have both PMDG and especially FS Labs planes working there.

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And you cannot say you haven't abandoned P3D with your only fall back being GSX!!

I surely can, considering GSX still accounts for the majority of our sales. And yet we are keep doing FREE UPDATES for it, 8 years after its release. They don't come out of thin air, somebody is clearly working at it...

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Come on, all you all are doing is issuing occasional updates for one tools type product with zero scenery coming anymore and you are going to sit here and use that for the right to say you haven't abandoned P3D? Nobody is falling for that.

You are missing the point, entirely.

The time needed to do a large airport during the last years kept increasing, but sales haven't increase in the same proportion, up to a point that it started to stop being sustainable, so we would probably have stopped doing airports altogether, even if there wasn't any MSFS, and would concentrate more on utilities, which have an automatically 10x higher sales potential. We are one of the few developers out there that is capable to do both, we used to be pretty good at airplanes a while ago so, what we do is to constantly adapt to the ever changing market situation.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: mtbrkhrd on November 15, 2020, 04:56:35 pm
Umberto,

I'm always happy to see Swiss airports being developed, on any platform. So thank you for doing LSZH!
I would really love to have a version for P3Dv5, since it will take more than a year before we can see FSL/PMDG/Leonardo/Majestic/A2A on MSFS. And the old Aerosoft scenery, despite the update, is WAY overdue for a current tech replacement. Yes Aerosoft did an update last year, however, the scenery still lacks ANY kind of current scenery technology. No SODE jetways, horribly outdated ground texturing, low-res building textures from the FSX era with no PBR, all topped off with bad FPS. So a new P3D version would fit very well into the market. So I hope you reconsider, having LSZH inside P3Dv5 at the same quality as LFSB would be a dream come true!

As for the MSFS version, I haven't bought it yet, as I'm not using MSFS right now due to lack of aircraft. However, looking at the screenshots, it is evident that you forgot to model the main fire station west of threshold RWY34. That one is quite visible as it features a small tower attached to the building. So I hope you can add this fire station in an update.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: thomasl123 on November 15, 2020, 04:56:54 pm
You parked a bit too close to the terminal, and the jetway head tried its best to reach the door anyway. Yes, a real jetway might not be able to do that but, we purposely gave more freedom to move, so it will attach more easily, especially with AI, which might not always park as they should.

It looks like that, when you start the Sim at Gate A15 with Airbus Neo and moving then the Gateway.....

THX for checking
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: Andreasmb on November 15, 2020, 06:05:28 pm
+1 for lacking the really prominent Firestation, and do hope to see that in a next update. Could be also a bit more usual "airport equipment clutter" on tarmac in vicinity of the gates
But as a version 1.0 great to have it in MSFS at all.
tks,
Andreas
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: airbadger on November 16, 2020, 02:25:50 pm
Does anyone have screenshots of the GA ramp areas? I might buy this but the only aircraft worth flying in MSFS is the modded CJ4.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: looping on November 16, 2020, 04:25:48 pm
I have purchased LSZH at simmarket and installed in the already existing Addon Manager where it created a MSFS directory with the  fsdreamteam-airport-lszh-zurich  folder and a link in the Common folder of MSFS.
All seems to be ok.

However starting LSZH or slewing close to it will result in immediate CTD!

Thanks for any help!

Ernst
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 16, 2020, 05:18:32 pm
However starting LSZH or slewing close to it will result in immediate CTD!

Most likely an AI with a corrupted file/livery/texture that appears only there. Surely not a scenery problem. Are you using non-default AI addons ?
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: looping on November 16, 2020, 10:58:41 pm
Thanks for your reaction!

I have no AI addon.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 17, 2020, 12:29:54 am
I have no AI addon.

What other add-ons you have ?
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: looping on November 17, 2020, 02:59:18 pm
Now it works!

Moved it out of the Addon Manager to the MSFS_Addons_Linker and there it shows!

Thanks for your efforts!

Ernst
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: nils8107 on November 17, 2020, 05:40:15 pm
Thanks for the FS2020 Zürich Airport.
Do you plan to update "The Circle" Building soon?

Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 18, 2020, 02:14:56 am
Do you plan to update "The Circle" Building soon?

Soon = Tomorrow.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: nils8107 on November 21, 2020, 05:25:28 pm
Thank you for the update. Now the airport looks really nice. Great job!
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: waltch on November 30, 2020, 01:01:07 pm
you mentioned in the release not on Nov 15: "will be available on the MS Marketplace in the next days"

Cannot find LSZH in the Marketplace tab in MSFS till now, LFSB of fsdreamteam is there okay. Any idea when LSZH will be available too?
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 30, 2020, 01:57:00 pm
Cannot find LSZH in the Marketplace tab in MSFS till now, LFSB of fsdreamteam is there okay. Any idea when LSZH will be available too?

We sent the files to Microsoft Nov. 18th, after we released an update with the Circle center, the more detailed observation decks and several other fixes, so users buying from the Marketplace would already get the updated version.

It usually takes a week or so for Microsoft to approve a product, but there has been Thanksgiving in between and the US Update too, so I guess it shouldn't be much longer now.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: Hor1463 on December 07, 2020, 01:48:50 pm
Hi, I bought the LSZH Sceners amd wondering a bit, that there are no cars and Trucks on the Apron. I have a P3D Version and there is a lot more real action on the apron.
Roland
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on December 09, 2020, 10:16:53 am
We haven't placed many *static* vehicles on the airport, because they would likely conflict with the new MSFS ground traffic system, which creates those vehicles automatically, depending on many conditions like the ground vehicle traffic density, the AI density settings, the time of the day, etc.

I'm sure if you have enough AI and the ground vehicles density is not too low, you should see enough ground vehicles moving around.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: phantomflyer on November 01, 2022, 10:02:19 am
I have  problem with this product - it will not over-write the MS version of LSZH - hence, there are 2 airports overlapping. If I uninstall the MSFS version, I keep getting nagged to install its LSZH. It's driving me insane. Can you not program the strore version to uver-write the MS version so this stops?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 02, 2022, 06:04:24 pm
I have  problem with this product - it will not over-write the MS version of LSZH - hence, there are 2 airports overlapping.

That's not a problem of this product, of course, the problem is the default LSZH can't be overwritten so simply, because the way it's made, you MUST remove it.

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If I uninstall the MSFS version, I keep getting nagged to install its LSZH.

That's only because you are not uninstalling it, you are probably just removing its folder, which is the wrong way to uninstall a default package. If you uninstall it correctly, from the Content Manager, it will save your preference and it won't ask you to download it again on the next start.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: phantomflyer on November 03, 2022, 01:34:08 am
I used the content manager to get rid of it - there is no way to "uninstall" it this way that I can find whatsoever - if there is please enlighten me!
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: phantomflyer on November 03, 2022, 01:40:57 am
I used this info from this forum - it will not go away! I never went into the core and removed official content!


After the release of Sim Update 7 (GOTY edition) if you own FSDT Zurich, you should delete the Microsoft Zurich from the Content Manager to prevent conflicts with FSDT Zurich. It must be deleted from the Content Manager, with the Delete button there.

If you use any other method, like manually removing its folder, you'll be presented with a mandatory option to redownload it on the next restart so, you must remove it from the Content Manager.

This if you are on PC.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: phantomflyer on November 03, 2022, 01:55:08 am
I reiterate- there is a delete button but it does not delete the ms version. It removes it (see my screenshot that says "not installed" - that is not the same as "deleted" as far as I'm concerned)but MS still wants to install in perpetuity.

Why is it that other developers that make airports that MS have that are bought through the ms store overwrite the default but not yours? It's a paradox - unless you can answer the question.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: virtuali on November 03, 2022, 10:34:13 am
I reiterate- there is a delete button but it does not delete the ms version. It removes it (see my screenshot that says "not installed" - that is not the same as "deleted" as far as I'm concerned)but MS still wants to install in perpetuity.

I can only repeat and confirm that, if you uninstalled the Microsoft Zurich in the correct way, that is using the Delete button instead of manually removing the folder, you won't be asked to download it again on the next start. And yes, in both cases it will read as "not installed", like in your screenshot, the difference is that manually removing its folder will trigger a redownload, while removing it with the Delete button there will not.

Try to reinstall it and remove it again with the Delete button, then restart the sim. It shouldn't redownload it anymore.

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Why is it that other developers that make airports that MS have that are bought through the ms store overwrite the default but not yours? It's a paradox - unless you can answer the question.

Well, of course there's always an explanation why things happens and, since there are no other developers that made a version of Zurich and managed to automatically exclude the Microsoft version, your reference to those doesn't make much sense.

The reason is NOT that we are somewhat unable to do a proper exclusion, is that the MS Zurich is made unlike ANY other MS handcrafted airports, for two reasons:

1) It's not part of a World Update, so it's not an optional download, but has been flagged to belong to the standard MSFS package. This is what triggers an automatic redownload if you remove it manually, because the sim assumes it has been deleted accidentally and it cannot run without it, that's why you MUST remove it from the Content Manager, not manually.

2) Unlike any other MS handcrafted airport, its ground textures are made using what is called a "Projected Mesh", which is usually only used by 3rd party developers that need a way to port existing ground markings from FSX/P3D without having to remade them from scratch. No other default airport is made like that. And, until very recently, it was IMPOSSIBLE to Exclude a Projected Mesh from the SDK, this ability has been added only with SU10.

And of course, that's EXACTLY what our latest update for LSZH contains: an explicit command to Exclude any Projected Mesh from any airport getting a lower priority, something that was impossible to do before SU10.

Now, whether this command is working or not, it depends by several things like:

- The new command might have bugs.

- The MS LSZH airport might still getting an higher priority, this is very likely if you bought FSDT LSZH on the Marketplace, since when both sceneries are in the Official folder, lacking any other criteria, the alphabetical order matters so, since microsoft is later in the alphabet than fsdreamteam, the Microsoft version will be loaded last, so our Exclusions won't work, because Exclusions exclude only sceneries with LOWER priority. If this is the case, you might be able to fix it using the new scenery priority arranger, in the Experimental section of the sim.

However, it's way better and easier to just remove the MS version altogether, because even if managed to have the Exclusion working entirely, the simulator will still have to load both airports, and then Exclude one so, it's still a waste processing resources AND disk space.
Title: Re: Zurich V2 for MSFS 2020 released
Post by: phantomflyer on November 04, 2022, 02:36:57 am
Wow - thank you for breaking the "paradox" and explaining why LSZH can't simply be over-written. I re-installed and then used delete, exited sim, re-booted pc (why not?) and the problem solved. No more nags. Thank you!!