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Products Support => Chicago O'Hare V2 for P3D4 => Topic started by: american398 on August 29, 2019, 06:01:40 pm
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hi there. I have been getting some strange black triangle shaped flashes on the screen at KORDV2.
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I also see these, mainly on approach to any runway at around 500 feet A.G.L.
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I see the same on taxi around the terminal. I have turned off HDR, rebuilt shaders, etc. After I taxi by the terminal then taxi back it does not occur again.
Sean
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I'm sorry but, I cannot reproduce this.
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I'm sorry but, I cannot reproduce this.
Maybe it helps to know that i am using the Aerosoft Airbus is this clip. But, I have also noticed it in the PMDG 737. Are you able to use any of those aircraft on your system to test sir?
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I see the same on taxi around the terminal. I have turned off HDR, rebuilt shaders, etc. After I taxi by the terminal then taxi back it does not occur again.
Sean
Is P3Dv4.5HF1 HDR required to be active (ON) for KORDv2 and also for checking this problem?
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I'm sorry but, I cannot reproduce this.
Maybe it helps to know that i am using the Aerosoft Airbus is this clip. But, I have also noticed it in the PMDG 737. Are you able to use any of those aircraft on your system to test sir?
I agree would you be able to do that to really to be able to understand FPS etc using a high quality aircraft.
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I’m getting the exact same issue on every single aircraft. Even default aircraft.
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I have this as well on all aircraft.
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thx for the support guys. Hopefully something can be done
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Bump
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Saying "I cannot reproduce this" doesn't obviously mean the issue has been "ignored". In fact, it's exactly the opposite, it indicate the report has been taken seriously, because we obviously TRIED to reproduce it but, we couldn't.
These kind of artifacts are usually an indication of:
- video memory close to exhaustion because of too many add-ons, too high-settings
- shader modifications.
- tweaks to the drivers of the sim which shouldn't be used.
- bugs in the simulator, there are still some issues in the sim that LM is aware of in PBR.
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This issue is not specific to KORD. I have the flashing triangles at other airports. It's possible its an artifact of PBR, or graphics settings that are too high.
I do notice though, that it happens more often at KORD.
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Saying "I cannot reproduce this" doesn't obviously mean the issue has been "ignored". In fact, it's exactly the opposite, it indicate the report has been taken seriously, because we obviously TRIED to reproduce it but, we couldn't.
These kind of artifacts are usually an indication of:
- video memory close to exhaustion because of too many add-ons, too high-settings
- shader modifications.
- tweaks to the drivers of the sim which shouldn't be used.
- bugs in the simulator, there are still some issues in the sim that LM is aware of in PBR.
In an effort to assist I’ll provide a few more details on my setup
I run a Evga FTW3 1080TI with 11GB of video memory with some very moderate settings I’m not so much hung up on having everything maxed vs decent running FPS. I have low AA settings, no AI traffic ever.
I have never used or installed shader tweaks.
I haven’t touched any drivers other than installing them and so far this is the first airport I have noticed these triangles appear flashing on the screen. I do run 3 27 monitors at 1080p. I use all the complex popular aircraft addons from PMDG, FSlabs, majestic, captainsim etc..
I’m not saying it’s the scenery but giving some feedback from the items you suggest are the common causes.
Let me know if you need more details. I have a 4790K overclock to a modest 4.7.
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This issue is not specific to KORD. I have the flashing triangles at other airports. It's possible its an artifact of PBR, or graphics settings that are too high. I do notice though, that it happens more often at KORD.
That was the last point of my previous reply:
- bugs in the simulator, there are still some issues in the sim that LM is aware of in PBR.
KORD, being a 100% PBR scenery, is more likely to suffer from these problems, like the ghosting T5 or the missing DL on approach, which we could find workarounds for but, these kind of artifacts are something much more low-level (shaders, drivers or the simulator own render engine), and are really outside our control.
Yes, of course they don't happen just at FSDT KORD, that is common knowledge, but I think KORD is one of the very few 100% PBR airports out there, and surely the largest one.
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Well its unfortunate but maybe LM will fix somethings in 4.6. Wish i could turn PBR off because i don't use it at any of the other airports. Maybe that's the issue. But It seems it only happens near the terminal area.
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I love the new KORD. I notice at KORD I get a quick flash os a large black and white triangle that lasts a few milli-seconds, but it repeats every 5 - 7 seconds. This never happened on any FSDT scenery. I have all your US sceneries and only started with FSDT KORD.
Any advice.
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Yeah unfortunately this has been reported by other users. http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,21832.0.html
Apparently it’s not FSDT. It’s our computers that suck and Lockheed Martins fault.
I currently don’t have the airport installed but I’m curious. If you turn all p3d sliders to the left, do you still get the flashing triangles? I think this would prove if it’s our fault or FSDT.
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Just so you know. I have a top end computer and get amazing results. I have all FlyTampa, FSDT, ImagineSim scenery (even some Drzweski scenery and airports) with all PMDG planes and I never saw these triangles until KORD was installed. And it only happens in and around KORD now. So it is nt my computer.
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Quoting from another fellow user in that linked thread:
This issue is not specific to KORD. I have the flashing triangles at other airports. It's possible its an artifact of PBR, or graphics settings that are too high. I do notice though, that it happens more often at KORD.
So yes, it's NOT caused by KORD, it's likely that KORD, being a full PBR scenery which requires lots of VRAM, is more easily victim of whatever is causing this.
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Sorry:
This issue has only started when FSDT KORD was just added. I only get it at KORD with any aircraft. I have a high end machine with TITAN X video card. I think it is indeed a FSDT issue with new KORD.
I'd like to see if people with this issue start at KORD and fly away from the airport and see if it stops.
I noticed it stops about 10 miles away from KORD. But still - there should be a solution here.
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well im back on DD KORD for now but the last time i used it the flashing triangles went away when you got further from the terminal area.
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FYI:
I just did a Flight from KMSP with Flightbeam KMSP and landed at FSDT KORD.
I did not get one triangle until I landed at KORD and approached the gate area. Then the triangles started every 5 seconds.
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I just did a Flight from KMSP with Flightbeam KMSP and landed at FSDT KORD. I did not get one triangle until I landed at KORD and approached the gate area. Then the triangles started every 5 seconds.
That doesn't indicate KORD has a problem.
It only indicates that, on your system, KMSP (which is not a PBR scenery), is not affected by what might be a possible bug with PBR materials, which is not caused by KORD and, as confirmed in the post I linked from another user happens at other airports as well, and KORD being a full PBR scenery, is more likely to be a victim of it.
Again, LM is fully aware there are still issues in the current release of the simulator with PBR rendering, some of them we were able to bypass, but this can't, both because we cannot reproduce it in any way, but also because it's really something deep inside the engine rendering, we surely haven't put any stray triangles in the scenery and, of course, only a few users in this thread have reported it so, it's likely depending on some specific setting and/or a specific combination of hardware and settings and drivers, otherwise it would happen to anybody.
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I'm having the same issue, only started after installing ORD V2. As an experiment I disabled ground vehicles (to see if this would free up RAM on my GTX), I have not seen the black triangle after doing this, but more testing is needed to be sure.....
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I'm having the same issue, only started after installing ORD V2. As an experiment I disabled ground vehicles (to see if this would free up RAM on my GTX), I have not seen the black triangle after doing this, but more testing is needed to be sure.....
I’m interested to see if we literally turned all sliders to the left just for testing purposes and see what happens. I currently don’t have it installed as the triangles were driving me nuts lol.
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Let me say that I love FSDT products and have them all. Without you, we have crappy airports. So thank you. I can live with the triangles popping up. I would at KORD. I know it happens no where else. I'd love to know what airport also has full PBR. I have every US addon airport. I'd love to test my computer out on another PBR airport. Any suggestions?
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Only a few users? If you consider a few users EVERYONE that has the scenery. It’s interesting when only one user reports a problem with your product you are quick to say your the only one having this issue so screw off. But when MULTIPLE users report a problem that happens at your airport exclusively, and there is one user that says they done see the issue, you take that one user as sacrosanct. Own up to your product and take responsibility. Quit blaming LM because these other scenery’s have PBR as well. Quit lying!!!
Well, this is now getting really annoying. I must support users, yet I'm begin called a liar. Another user, who has been rightfully banned for using foul language ( you "just "offended me, instead ), tried to say it's "very easy" to reproduce the flashing triangles, it should only take 10 minutes, take a PMDG airplane, and make a quick flight into KORD.
Let's do that, shall we ? Here's a flight I just made from KCMI to KORD, with the PMDG 737 + DD Chicago City photoreal + UT Live traffic.
And there are NO flashing triangles, of course.
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I may have found a solution. Remember, the flashing triangles ONLY appear in the KORD gate area while taxiing for me. Once on the runways I don't get it. Now I tried many settings and the only one that completely eliminates the triangles in having the screen in the Window (ALT ENTER) view. With that view (showing menu bar at the top) I ge ZERO triangles. When I go full view, the triangles immediately appear.
I did this multiple times and it is 100% repeatable. I'd love someone else who reported triangles to try the ALT ENTER view and see if this solves it.
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My video was made in full screen.
Which, btw, in P3D is not really full screen ( like it was in FSX ), it's still Windowed mode, using a window with no title bar and no controls so, in theory, it should work exactly as in standard windowed mode.
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umberto. I appreciate your response. Remember I can live with the triangle flashes so I am not complaining but you are not following me. Your video iis not at the immediate gate area. Only in the gate areas do I see the triangles. On taxiways runways and in the air I see no triangles. At the gate during pushback and while approaching the taxiway I get flashes every 5 seconds. In the Window view I mentioned, the issue goes away. Why? I have no clue. That is why I wish someone who had the issue chimes in to test my theory.
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I only get these flashing triangles in the gate area at KORD Not on the runways or taxiways. I also noticed in the window Alt Enter view I get no flashing triangles and when I go to fiull view the triangles start immediately at once per 5 seconds on average. Can someone try the window view and see if it resolves the issue?
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I can confirm i get the flashes in windowed mode.
I can also confirm flashes on a RTX 2080 Video card with medium settings. Flashes also occur with NO MODIFIED SHADING.
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Umberto, would you be kind enough to post your p3d settings?
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Attached is my settings file. Place it in the Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files folder, start the sim and select the "Virtuali" profile in the Options->Graphics page.
However, I don't think it would change much to those affected, because I don't use any shader mods, I don't tweak my video card, and I don't have many add-ons, other than UT Live, some airplanes from PMDG, FS Labs, Leonardo and Aerosoft, and DD Chicago X city at KORD.
See this video here, for example:
This guy made a full flight from EGLL to KORD in the PMDG 747 and, arriving at KORD, he didn't had any flashing triangles so, it's *clearly* something affecting only some users with some kind of unusual combination of settings/tweaks/mods, since this guy surely have more installed add-ons then I have.
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I merged the two identical threads into this one ( the other one was in the Backdoor forum ), to be able to follow it better
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Umberto, I used your settings on full flight into KORD and unfortunately still got the black flashes. I am also running PTA and ORBX so it is possible i suppose that one of those is the culprit. Interesting note, It seems it only happens when the aircraft is moving. When i parked at the gate and changed views or panned around i did not see any black flashes.
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I am also running PTA and ORBX so it is possible i suppose that one of those is the culprit.
PTA is more likely, since any add-on that modifies default shaders have the potential to affect rendering.
The issue is, those tweakers were made in pre-PBR times, trying to achieve a more modern look and a PBR-ish look, but they shouldn't even be necessary in PBR, since the whole point of PBR is to allow correct rendering of color and lights without any tweaks. And, LM is updating their shaders with each build (even minor ones) and you never know how safe is to use a shader modification that might not have been fully tested on that particular build.
No shader tweaks and a monitor calibrated with a colorimeter. That's all I use.
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I just did the latest FSDT Live Update and I noticed I don't get ant flashing triangles anymore. I spent 20 minutes taxiing all around KORD gate areas and not 1 flashing triangle. Hopefully the update fixed it for all.
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I just did the latest FSDT Live Update and I noticed I don't get ant flashing triangles anymore. I spent 20 minutes taxiing all around KORD gate areas and not 1 flashing triangle. Hopefully the update fixed it for all.
unfortunately no not on my end
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I merged the two identical threads into this one ( the other one was in the Backdoor forum ), to be able to follow it better
Umberto... This problem is real, and it is NOT unique to your airports.
My theory is that P3D is turning the ILS markers (OM, MM, IM) into something that we can see. I have attached 2 screen captures of the PMDG 737 NGX on approach to FlyTampa KBOS runway 15R at ~700' AGL. I captured 2 frames very close together. In the 1st frame, the "beam" is red. In the 2nd one, it has changed to yellow and moved to the right of it's previous position. When it happens, it literally "sweeps" across the entire display. I have experienced the exact same problem on approach to your KCLT (the beams had blue in them). I suspect that the black triangles are the same thing, but folks are seeing it while parked on the ground and not moving.
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Umberto... This problem is real, and it is NOT unique to your airports.
Of course it's real, and of course it's NOT unique to our airports, that's the main point. It's either an issue of the sim itself ( PBR rendering still have some bugs left, and LM is aware of them ), or something caused by a combination of tweaks and/or settings.
It's not a KORD problem, that's all what I'm saying, and you just provided another confirmation.
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I believe Pirateinparidise is on to something. I think the triangles are actually light being reflected. I tried to turn off BEACON and experimented with other aircraft lights. It made no difference. I could not figure it out.
I don't want to repeat myself, but I took a PMDG 747 from Gate C15 (daytime) and did two loops around Terminal C and got ZERO triangle flashes in the ALT ENTER mode, with the full screen view I counted 33 triangle flashes in the same journey, then back to ALT ENTER and did another loop and got ZERO flashes.
I repeated the test at night and the same results.
So for me, the solution is ALT ENTER view at KORD gate and full view after I take off. Sounds pathetic, but it works.
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No unfortunately I still see them in windowed mode.
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For those who's using PTA, please do disable "Smooth Day/Night Transitions" in Autogen Lighting Section. It helped me a lot with night-time textures' problems in IMS WSSS and KATL PBR sceneries.
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For those who's using PTA, please do disable "Smooth Day/Night Transitions" in Autogen Lighting Section. It helped me a lot with night-time textures' problems in IMS WSSS and KATL PBR sceneries.
will that get rid of the triangles?
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Well I updated to the 4.5 HF2 and the flashes are still there.
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Well I updated to the 4.5 HF2 and the flashes are still there.
Have you updated both the Client and the Content ?
Have you reset all shaders after updating ?
Do you use any kind of shader modifcations ?
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Have I updated both client and the content?
yes
Have I reset all shaders after updating?
yes
Do I use any kind of shader modifications?
no
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I think this just proves that this whole company is a fraud. Continuously denying any "bugs" in your software. Meanwhile, everyone else's software has bugs yet your software is god like with zero flaws. Your in denial dude. Good luck on your remake of KLAX and KJFK because those are going to be 10 times worse than the botched release that was KORDV2. Oh and your new scenery ZBAD looks like a stink star.
"stink star"
How old are you, 5?
It's annoying that these triangle flashes happen at KORD v2, but as pointed out earlier in this thread it's not the only airport scenery that suffers from them. I have had flashing triangle problems at two other developers' airports (AS EGLL and FT KLAS).
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Have I updated both client and the content?
yes
Have I reset all shaders after updating?
yes
Do I use any kind of shader modifications?
no
I also have done these steps to see if your trouble shooting tips have worked but I have not seen a fix in doing this. I have never used PTA/Tomato shade or anything that manipulates shaders. I have cleared scenery indexes, shader caches and still black triangles. What can I provide to you that might help you figure out what is going on because your trouble shooting tips are not working.
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Have you used any tweaks to the video card ? Try to reinstall the video drivers, and choose a "clean install", to reset everything to default.
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Yes, just updated and put default settings in and triangles are still there
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I'm sorry, but I cannot reproduce this problem. As you can see from other posters, it affects other sceneries too so, it can only be caused by some tweak/setting not fully compatible with the sim or, more precisely, the sim not fully compatible with some tweaks.
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Well I think that’s just ridiculous now sir. I’m not using any tweaks outside of the settings already within p3d. We have been going back and forth on this for 2 months now. We have done all the troubleshooting steps AND updated p3d to HF2. Don’t you think you need to do something on your end to help? I think you know what the problem is but don’t want to admit it.
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We have been going back and forth on this for 2 months now. We have done all the troubleshooting steps AND updated p3d to HF2. Don’t you think you need to do something on your end to help?
I'll repeat it AGAIN what several other users are already said, here's a quote of 3 different users who posted in this same thread:
This issue is not specific to KORD. I have the flashing triangles at other airports. It's possible its an artifact of PBR, or graphics settings that are too high.
Umberto... This problem is real, and it is NOT unique to your airports.
It's annoying that these triangle flashes happen at KORD v2, but as pointed out earlier in this thread it's not the only airport scenery that suffers from them. I have had flashing triangle problems at two other developers' airports (AS EGLL and FT KLAS).
I think you know what the problem is but don’t want to admit it.
Are you serious ? If the problem REALLY affected only KORD, and I "knew what it is", it would have been fixed already, like everything else which was REALLY a problem in the scenery.
Hasn't the KORD shimmering "problem" story thought you anything ? Users were complaining of shimmering effect on textures, which obviously affected *ALL* sceneries using PBR, and accused us of not doing anything. Of course we couldn't do anything: it was a BUG in the sim, which had SSAA support broken (which is the common method to prevent shimmering) and, guess what, it was FIXED in HF2, without requiring ANY intervention on our part.
There's a difference in this case, while the texture shimmering was a known bug, which we could replicate on a non-HF2 patched P3D4, nobody knows what cause this flashing triangle problem, I CANNOT reproduce it in any way but, of course, I don't run with too many other add-ons, and I don't use insanely high settings so, it's possible this can only happen with too many other add-ons, too high-settings, incompatible tweaks/settings, etc.
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Has anyone figured out what's causing the black triangles? It only happens at ORD. I have a few other large PBR airports and don't see this. Reverting to standard shaders after using Tomato does not help. I'm not going outside my 8GB of VRAM.
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Has anyone figured out what's causing the black triangles? It only happens at ORD. I have a few other large PBR airports and don't see this. Reverting to standard shaders after using Tomato does not help. I'm not going outside my 8GB of VRAM.
nope, were screwed and nothing will be done about it.
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Has anyone figured out what's causing the black triangles? It only happens at ORD. I have a few other large PBR airports and don't see this. Reverting to standard shaders after using Tomato does not help. I'm not going outside my 8GB of VRAM.
nope, were screwed and nothing will be done about it.
Well, if it's something we can get to reproduce on Umberto's machine I'm sure he would fix it. But I agree if it's on Lockheed's end it'll likely never get fixed.
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Yeah unfortunately LM released hot fix 2 which was supposedly supposed to fix it. I already reached out to LM on their forums and they told me to come here lol. I guess the best way to experiment is to literally turn all sliders to the left and bring one slider up at a time to find the culprit.
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Only time I had black triangles when when I was using MSAA. When I switched back to SSAA, the black triangles ceased.
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Yeah unfortunately LM released hot fix 2 which was supposedly supposed to fix it.
No, the HF2 fixed mainly two things, which were ALSO mistakenly assumed by lots of users where "O'Hare bugs", regardless of the fact we kept saying it was a P3D4 bug, and they were:
- The corrupted polygons floating in the air, resulting in some terminals parts floating, that happened only in PBR mode and only if the object was included in a .BGL. We could side-step this, because this didn't happened if the object was a Simobjects, so could offer a fix *before* LM really fixed it, by converting the affected objects as Simobjects.
- The non-working SSAA antialiasing modes in PBR materials, resulting in moire/shimmering effects. We made some tweaks by lowering the bump maps intensity but, the real fix only came with HF2.
These were fully documented and easily replicated bugs of the sim, which happened on 100% of the systems. I could replicate them easily, on any P3D4 that didn't had HF2 installed.
The black triangles are totally different: they are clearly dependent on some specific settings, and I could only see them in videos posted by users. They can still be bugs in the sim, but unless you could find a way or a combination of settings to cause their appearance on ANY system, so that even LM could replicate them, it would be very difficult to get their attention.
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Still getting these triangles after all this time and after countless updates. What a joke. Eat my ass you fuck!!!
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Still getting these triangles after all this time and after countless updates. What a joke. Eat my ass you fuck!!!
And you just won a permanent ban on this forum. Being wrong and not having understood my last post, doesn't give you the right to express yourself like that. And the topic is closed, since it has been already proven, multiple times, the triangles are not caused by the airport.