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Developer's Backdoor => GSX Backdoor => Topic started by: mroschk on September 12, 2014, 11:43:06 am

Title: Ground Service Provider
Post by: mroschk on September 12, 2014, 11:43:06 am
Hello,

i read this Topic http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,10120.0.html
about a wrong Ground Service Provider.

Yesterday i start in EDDP and the GS Handler was Condor.
But in EDDP is only Portground available as a GS Provider for the PAX Positions
and DHL and Portground on the Cargo Positions.

So, how is the GS Handler selected by GSX and can we select/deselect the possible GS Provider
in GSX for a Airport?

Matthias
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: virtuali on September 12, 2014, 11:51:07 am
So, how is the GS Handler selected by GSX and can we select/deselect the possible GS Provider in GSX for a Airport?

As discussed many times already, the Paintkit documentation, that can be downloaded from a link in the GSX support forum, comes with in-depth information how the GSX ground assignment and the scoring system works, so you'll find all information needed to change ground handlers, even if you are not interested in repainting.
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: mroschk on September 12, 2014, 12:08:15 pm
I have to install the Paintkit ( without any Intension to do a repaint ) only
to get some Information how to set up the GS Provider for any Airport ??
really?
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: Eisbahn on September 12, 2014, 12:25:21 pm
I have to install the Paintkit ( without any Intension to do a repaint ) only
to get some Information how to set up the GS Provider for any Airport ??
really?

If you open your eyes and read correctly, it only says you need the documentation.
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: mroschk on September 12, 2014, 12:38:12 pm
did'nt find that
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: virtuali on September 12, 2014, 12:38:36 pm
I have to install the Paintkit ( without any Intension to do a repaint ) only to get some Information how to set up the GS Provider for any Airport ?? really?

As I've said, quite clearly, the part of the PaintKit you are interested in, is the DOCUMENTATION, that explains both how to add a repaint AND to change the assignment of the existing ones.

If you cared to download the PaintKit, it would have been obvious WHAT the PaintKit is made of: it's just a .PDF document, and some sample objects, and that's it.
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: virtuali on September 12, 2014, 12:39:14 pm
did'nt find that

From my previous message:

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the Paintkit documentation, that can be downloaded from a link in the GSX support forum, comes with in-depth information how the GSX ground assignment and the scoring system works
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: mroschk on September 12, 2014, 01:16:20 pm
??

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,5748.0.html

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We released the GSX PainKit objects and documentation. It can be downloaded from the GSX Info page or here:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/gsx_paintkit

The documentation will be found under the FsDreamTeam program group in Windows, or in the fsdreamteam\couatl\GSX folder.

means i have to install it
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: mroschk on September 12, 2014, 01:20:48 pm
at the end, there is a ini file for every Airport.
But there are no info about the handlers for this Airport.

Eaysyest way was to add this infor mation in this file lik

Handler = XXX,YYY,ZZZ

But that is a internal program Change and so it will not happen at all

Bye
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: virtuali on September 12, 2014, 01:25:54 pm
means i have to install it

And so what ? Are you worried having to "install" a .PDF ? What are you trying to say, really ? Because, nobody here understands your point.

The PaintKit installer is 900K. The installed files will take:

- 500K for the .PDF document

- 126K for the sample objects

If you are really worried about wasting space because you have to "install" a PaintKit if you are not interested in repainting, you can reclaim your 126K, by removing the sample objects in the Simobjects folder, but you would still need to read the documentation, as I've said, several times already by now...
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: virtuali on September 12, 2014, 01:29:47 pm
at the end, there is a ini file for every Airport. But there are no info about the handlers for this Airport.

This question is obviously entirely useless because, if you cared to read the DOCUMENTATION, it would have been obvious that the airport .INI file doesn't have anything to do with the ground handlers.

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But that is a internal program Change and so it will not happen at all

Same as above. Since you are already complaining, before even trying to understand how it works, you are now launching yourself again into an absurd comment, which is blatantly wrong because, THANKS to how GSX is made, which would have been obvious if you cared to READ the documentation, that there's NO NEED for "internal program changes" to affect ground handlers, and that's an entirely DOCUMENTED procedure.

But of course, if you don't even try to READ the documentation, you would never know that...
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: mroschk on September 12, 2014, 02:50:10 pm
i am not at home and can not install the paintkit here
also it is not a question of space, more on why .
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: virtuali on September 12, 2014, 02:55:25 pm
i am not at home and can not install the paintkit here

But since, in order to make the changes discussed in the documentation, you'll have to be on the PC that GSX is installed into, the whole argument is moot anyway.
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: Hnla on September 12, 2014, 03:22:27 pm
i am not at home and can not install the paintkit here
also it is not a question of space, more on why .

You are really at a new level of ignorance here. All you are doing is downloading a PDF on how to do it! What is possibly so hard about this?
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: mroschk on September 13, 2014, 10:03:42 am
it is not an ignorance of me then on viruali:

Pushback sequence -- wrong -- ignored
Workout -- worker on the wrong side of the Plane -- ignored
Wheel Chocks -- ignored
GPU -- ignored
ASU -- ignored

no more to say
Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: Eisbahn on September 13, 2014, 02:38:41 pm
it is not an ignorance of me then on viruali:

Pushback sequence -- wrong -- ignored
Workout -- worker on the wrong side of the Plane -- ignored
Wheel Chocks -- ignored
GPU -- ignored
ASU -- ignored

no more to say

They have not been ignored. You have received a multitude of answers from Umberto.
Just because your arrogant attitude does not agree with the answers does not mean
they have been ignored.
I am certainly not alone in hoping that you really have "no more to say".
Maybe then Umberto can carry on with his work on more important things than your
wild suggestions.

Title: Re: Ground Service Provider
Post by: virtuali on September 13, 2014, 03:36:12 pm
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it is not an ignorance of me then on virtuali:

I can't see how your attitude has anything to do with the fact that you are complaining for having to install and read a 500K .PDF, that answers perfectly to all your questions, WITHOUT having to change anything in GSX, if this was what you were trying to imply. You didn't like the fact you were making another suggestion, which was useless because the procedure has always been there ?

Pushback sequence -- wrong -- ignored

Your explanation of it has always been very confusing, the only thing that I understood from it, is that the marshaller shouldn't say anything about restarting the engine at the end. This hardly makes the entire pushbacks sequence "wrong". It's just nitpicking, and would be an easy enough fix.

Of course, if you think the whole sequence is "wrong", then you should try to express yourself a little better, because that was the only thing I could make it out from your remarks, and THAT'S why it wasn't took into consideration: I couldn't possibly believe one could seriously think the whole sequence is wrong JUST for that irrelevant detail, so I'm assuming you are unable to express precisely, and there was a lot more to add, something that you still haven't managed to do as of today.

If, instead, you *really* believe the whole sequence is wrong JUST for that, and you don't have anything more to add, then it would be an easy enough fix, so irrelevant that I'm not surprised you are the only one that complained about it. In fact, everybody agrees Pushback is one of the best GSX features.

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Workout -- worker on the wrong side of the Plane -- ignored

I don't know what do you mean with "workout", it is something that has anything to do with fitness ?? I'm sorry, but I can't ever recall this comment, please clarify yourself.

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Wheel Chocks -- ignored

Many popular 3rd party airplanes (and most of the users use THAT airplanes) already have them, so it wouldn't add that much to the product.

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GPU -- ignored
ASU -- ignored

Same as above.

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no more to say

You haven't said much. And of the few thing you say, you have a special ability to make them disagreeable so, no wonder nobody takes great attention to your suggestions.

Don't you wonder why, when other users makes SENSIBLE suggestions, they are added IMMEDIATELY ? A couple of examples made THIS WEEK:

1) The new distance readout for the Marshaller, added following users suggestions about the Marshaller being difficult to follow.

2) Support and coordination with Drzewiecki Design to support their custom method of making jetways. Added following users suggestion.

3) This will really take the crown of the "how easy is to prove you wrong": the "/J" indication on the menu for parking with a jetway, added a couple of HOURS after YOUR OWN suggestion! This is really the best one, and it's funny how you conveniently keep forget about it, because it's PROVING YOU WRONG. It's proving that, when the suggestion makes sense, it can be accepted IN SPITE of your annoying attitude.