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Products Support => Dallas FSX/P3D => Topic started by: pcubine on August 10, 2010, 05:08:06 am
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The whole area of 35, 36, 17 and 18 Runway sets at KDFW appears to be grass on an ILS approach. At about 800 feet AGL the runways which are still grass appear to be outlined by a white line. At about 500 feet AGL the runway threshold becomes visable, then the touuchdown zone, etc. A visual appoach would be impossible since you are virtually at the runway before you can see it.
In FSX settings every slider in the secenery tab is full to the right. The only thing not maxed out is water effects. The Addon Manager for KDFW still has the default settings in effect. Is there anything that can be done to get rid of this grass and have the runways appear at say 2000-3000 AGL on approach?
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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The whole area of 35, 36, 17 and 18 Runway sets at KDFW appears to be grass on an ILS approach.
Dosn't happen here (see the screenshots) so, it's a problem created by another scenery in conflict: what do you have installed for this area ?
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I have nothing installed. Prior to FSDT KDWF it was all default FSX scenery. See reply No 3 below.
Michael Cubine
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Maybe this issue has something to do with the runways http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3351.0
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I have nothing installed. Prior to FSDT KDWF it was all default FSX scenery.
I see plenty of addons mentioned in you signature, have you reinstalled everything from scratch ?
Maybe this issue has something to do with the runways http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3351.0
Antivirus issue doesn't have anything to do with your issue. It's the antivirus is blocking the modules, you won't see any scenery, except the jetways.
If you see something covering the runway, as in your description of the problem, it measn you have another scenery in conflict.
Or, as indicate in the manual "Design notes" page, you have any ATI card and have enabled "Adaptive Antialiasing", this should be disabled, otherwise parts of the scenery will disappear. On nVidia, it's called "Transparency Antialiasing"
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I have a lot more addons than are listed in the signature. I have not reinstalled them and I have no intentions of doing so. You told me Microsoft Security Essentials would work with the installation of KDFW and not block anything. So I uninstalled Norton and installed Microsoft. It made no difference. That thread on the installation went on and on after I did that.
The only addon scenery I have is FSDT KJFK and KORD. Should they be uninstalled?
Where do I make the change on nVidia card. I can find no place in Device Manager, Video Display, 285X GT, Properties?
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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You told me Microsoft Security Essentials would work with the installation of KDFW and not block anything. So I uninstalled Norton and installed Microsoft. It made no difference.
As I've already said, THIS is not a problem of the Antivirus!!! If it's something related to the antivirus, NOTHING will show up, you will not see the Addon Manager and/or the Couatl menus, and the only thing visible would be the jetways.
Since you said you see all the scenery, but have a visual problem on the runways, you can forget about any antivirus issues.
That thread on the installation went on and on after I did that.
Not really, after the antivirus discussion, your last message said that you finally saw the scenery so, the problem was fixed, exactly as I suggested, by switching to a different antivirus program.
The only addon scenery I have is FSDT KJFK and KORD. Should they be uninstalled?
Surely not.
Where do I make the change on nVidia card. I can find no place in Device Manager, Video Display, 285X GT, Properties?
Not in the Windows Device Manager, you should have an nVidia control panel that appears when you right-click on your Desktop.
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Let me see if I can explain this issue in more detail. On a BYP5 STAR from the NE to 35C, I will eventually be heading south parallel to the runway I am going to land on. At this point I am probably 7-8000 AGL. If I look out to the right I can see the runways and taxiways around them fine. Eventually I will turn west and then north to intercept the localizer for 35C. It is at this point that I can no longer see anything but a green field where the runways are and 35C does not come into view until about 500 AGL as I indicated in the initial post.
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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Do you have FSX configured to run into "Windows XP compatibility mode ?". If yes, turn if off, because that option cause problems (it's not how FSX is installed by default anyway).
To check it, go to your FSX folder, select the FSX.EXE, right-click on it, select "Properties", then the "Compatibility" tab. Nothing should be checked there.
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Antiialiasing-Transparency is off and has been off since the card was installed in the spring. Nothing is checked on the "Compatibility" tab.
Michael Cubine
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Sorry, I don't have any other explanation. Have you tried uninstalling KDFW, and download our updated installer (version 1.0.2 we put it online yesterday ) ?
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Is the V 1.0.2 or 1.02 referred to in this thread http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3407.0
What about the download Saturday. It was 98mb. This download referred to above is 12mb. I am totally confused now. Please give me a link to what I should download and is the new download the only thing that should be installed?
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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It was 98mb. This download referred to above is 12mb. I am totally confused now.
The 12mb download is the updated from 1.0 to 1.0.2 so, it will only works if you already have 1.0 installed. The full 1.0.2 installer is on the usual place, in the main web page.
There's no difference from installing the update over an 1.0 version or uninstalling everything, and download the full installer, just the time it takes to download the full one. However, in your case, it might be best to start from scratch, uninstall everything, download the new full installer, and install that one only.
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I have downloaded and installed the full version 1.0.2. The setup.exe ran to conclusion with no run or trust boxes coming up but KDFW is in the Addon Manager now. Do I have to enter any product key, serial number, or registration number to complete the installation process?
As far as the runways and grass, I believe there has been a small improvement. Maybe you could take the AGLs' in the first post and add 500 feet to them but on the whole the appearance of the runway area is unsatisfactory. It is what it is.
I will probably uninstall KDFW and try again in 3 or 4 months. I have done that with other addon that initiallly did not work but they were okay the second time around.
Thank you for your time, help, and promptness. Don't forget the question in the second line of this post.
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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I have downloaded and installed the full version 1.0.2. The setup.exe ran to conclusion with no run or trust boxes coming up but KDFW is in the Addon Manager now
That's normal, if the Addon Manager hasn't changed, FSX will remember you trusted it.
Do I have to enter any product key, serial number, or registration number to complete the installation process?
Surely not, the registration is not dependent by the installation. You can uninstall and reinstall as many times as you whish, without losing the registration.
As far as the runways and grass, I believe there has been a small improvement. Maybe you could take the AGLs' in the first post and add 500 feet to them but on the whole the appearance of the runway area is unsatisfactory. It is what it is.
As I've said, I think to have exhausted all the possible solution. Just to be sure:
Do you have the Mesh Complexity Slider at 100 and the Mesh Resolution Slider at 10 cm/pixel ?
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Do you have the Mesh Complexity Slider at 100 and the Mesh Resolution Slider at 10 cm/pixel ?
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I assume you mean the sliders in the FSX Scenery tab. Complexity is set at 100 and Resolution a 1m. The resolution tab only shows meters not centimters/pixel. The extreme on the left is 305m and on the 1m. I have resolution set at 1m.
Michael Cubine
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Greetings gents,
I am experiencing the same issues as described by pcubine. I run FSX with Vista 64-bit. My only addon sceneries are the FSDT's (all of them) and REX (current version). I have checked/tried each of the suggestions from this post- without success.
JW
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The resolution tab only shows meters not centimters/pixel. The extreme on the left is 305m and on the 1m. I have resolution set at 1m.
Yes, of course, I meant meters, not centimeters.
Sorry, but I'm out of options, I can only confirm, I can't replicate this issue, it simply doesn't happen here, with Mesh Complexity at 100 and Resolution at 10m/pixel, or above.
Does it happen with a specific airplane ? Have you tried a default airplane ?
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The whole area of 35, 36, 17 and 18 Runway sets at KDFW appears to be grass on an ILS approach. At about 800 feet AGL the runways which are still grass appear to be outlined by a white line.
it seems to be similar to the PHNL behaviour of RWY 08L i have when approaching, independently from setup mesh complexity and availability of other local scenery addons:
ground/grass textures flickers through the runway scenery. (3 screenshots)
This doesn't happen, when flying local traffic pattern, but when arriving from an different airport like PHTO with PMDG Aircrafts (like MD-11 or 744/8i) and it also appears when using FSUIPC Autosaves (e.g visual flighttraining)
(W7 64bit, latest WHQL drivers, nvidia ASUS 285 GPU, FSX@Sp2, FS Global 08)
maybe this helps further investigating
regards
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I tried Mesh Complexity at 100m and Mesh Resolution at 10m where before resolution was set at 1M with the Capitain Sim 757. There was no change, I then tried the default 738 with no change. After landing at KDFW while taxing the screen froze. I could not get out of FSX. So I hit the task manager and got a not responding on FSX. Once I got out of FSX by ending the program, FSX would never respond again. I should have never flown the default plane. I use to have to reinstall FSX every two or three months when flying the defaults which was no big deal because I didn't have nearly the addon I do now. So earlier this morning I spent about 2 hours uninstalling FSX and all the addons. I am in the process of starting the reinstallation now. I think I will add the KDFW, KJFK, and KORD airports in that order after I install FSX, CS757-200, and PMDG MD-11. What about registration now that everything is gone. I remember seeing a box about registration key and a home page. What does that mean and where is the home page?
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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What about registration now that everything is gone
Registration is never lost when uninstalling FSX, to lose your registration, you need to reinstall Windows, and in *that* case, will need your Serial Number available.
I remember seeing a box about registration key and a home page. What does that mean and where is the home page?
To save you from the hassle of searching for your email receipt and insert your Serial Number manually, a backup .REG files, which contains your registry key, it's created automatically when you purchase a product, or when you successfully reactivate it.
This file is stored in you HOME Folder, which is the folder that has your name, the one that contains "My Documents", "My Pictures", etc... it's stored there because, it's assumed you *do* a backup of this folder, when reinstalling Windows...
In any case, as long as you don't reinstall Windows, you don't need to worrry about registration.
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I have reinstalled FSX, CS757-200, PMDG MD-11. Then KDFW, KJFK, and KORD in that order. Nothing has changed. Still a lot of green where the runways should be. The outline of the runways is coming into view at about 1000 AGL and so on like I have explained in prior posts. Maybe I am expecting too much. I have plenty of screen shots if someone could tell me how to get them in this thread. Then you could tell me if the appearance of the runways is normal.
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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Nothing has changed. Still a lot of green where the runways should be. The outline of the runways is coming into view at about 1000 AGL and so on like I have explained in prior posts.
No, what you are seeing is not normal, at all. Nobody has a problem such that. The few that had something similar, were just minor visual artifact, but not the runways covered in green and those were ALL fixed by setting the Mesh resolution to 10m or above and the Mesh complexity to 100. A single user has a problem with UT2 generating too many commands that prevents the correct function of Simconnect and the scenery, but it doesn't happen without UT2 and can be improved a lot by turning down some UT2 options.
But, nobody else has reported a problem like yours.
I'm still convinced it can't be anything than:
- Another scenery in conflict. Have you *removed* the FSX folder, when you uninstalled it, before reinstalling it again ? The FSX uninstaller doens't remove things you have added, it only removes things installed by itself so, if you had a scenery in conflict, reinstalling FSX wouldn't help, unless you manually removed its folder *after* uninstalling it.
- A video driver problem, similar to AA Transparency. Have you tried to update your video driver ? Have you used a video tweaker like nHancer ? Have you tried resetting all video drivers setting to default ?
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I uninstalled all programs using the uninstall in Programs and Features, Control Panel. After uninstalling the programs any folders that were left and remotely connected with FSX were deleted by me.
I will see if a new driver is out for the video card but I will not install nHancer. If there is a new driver I will try that and default video settings. If that works fine. If it doesn't, I will uninstall KDFW and be done with it.
I like to fly planes for enjoyment not be a beta tester.
Thank you
Michael Cubine
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I uninstalled all programs using the uninstall in Programs and Features, Control Panel. After uninstalling the programs any folders that were left and remotely connected with FSX were deleted by me.
I repeat the question: have you removed the whole FSX folder ?
Some sceneries don't have their own folder, and don't have an uninstaller, they are put directly in the FSX scenery folder so, it's very easy to forget having installed, which is why, to be sure to have a clean install, the only safe way is to remove the whole FSX folder after the FSX uninstall.
I will see if a new driver is out for the video card but I will not install nHancer.
I haven't asked you to install nHancer, I've asked you if you HAVE installed it, because one of its setting *might* cause problems.
I like to fly planes for enjoyment not be a beta tester.
The scenery clearly works, otherwise ALL users would see the same problem. Since this specific issue hasn't been reported by anyone else, the issue is something in your system, or another scenery in conflict.
Which is why we have A TRIAL version. The whole point of having a Trial, is to allow users to test a scenery on their own system, because it's just not possible for us to test it on the milions of hardware+software+settings combinations out there. The Trial doesn't expires so, you can launch it an unlimited number of times, which is exactly what is needed to spot potential problems, try a solution, check again, and all of this can be done BEFORE purchasing.
We are clearly giving all support (proven by my post count!!!) and provide fixes faster than anyone else when we CAN replicate the problem proven by the fact we already relased 2 updates for the scenery but, if something can't be replicated in any way, we can't do much more than offering a Trial.
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I have issues as well with the DFW runway textures.
I have included pictures on a 3 mile final, 1 mile final, and on short final, as you can see you can't define any of the runways, so a visual approach into this airport is virtual impossible.
You can also see that the ILS for 18R isn't synced with the PAPI lights for the glideslope, when I have 2 red and 2 white my ILS glidslope shows me too low.
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same problem here and i have none of the aircaft addons other people have listed, no approach lighting in the daytime either
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Could you please kindly obey to the Screenshot posting rules posted here ?
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0
In any case, this is what the scenery looks like at 5 nm, 1 nm and 0.6 nm, as you can see, runways are clearly visible, and PAPI is in sync with the ILS glidepath on the instruments-
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Ok, now that you posted better screenshot, I can see your issue: you have very bad texture quality, but this doesn't have anythign to do with the scenery, they are generally very blurred, even outside the airport area.
Are you using Anisotropic filtering on your video card control panel ? If not, try to set it to 8x or 16x and not as "Application Controlled". Also, check you have the Global Maximum texture size all the way to the right.
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Ok wow now that you posted pictures of the scenery working great on your set up now I guess mine work now, THANK's, your support is amazing!
The pictures are posted to give you an idea how the scenery is supposed to look like. But have you seen only the screenshot, or also read the SUGGESTION about the video card settings, to improve what (as shown in your screenshots) it's a very bad overall image quality, well beyond the KDFW area ?
Can you please try to do as suggested, and check if there's any improvement ?
Besides, I've checked the PAPI on RW18R, and there IS a problem there (it's fine on other runways) so, obviously, that one WILL be fixed, because it IS a problem of the scenery.
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Ok that Anisotropic filtering settings fixes it, thanks
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Ok that Anisotropic filtering settings fixes it, thanks
That's good.
If you go to the top of the forum, there's an updated AFCAD that fixes the wrong PAPI at 18R. In fact, the PAPI was right, it was the ILS that had its glide misplaced.
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thanks for your expertise, now it All looks better! (UTX too)
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The main FSX folder under Microsoft Games was deleted. It was called Microsoft Flight Simulator. There was 400-500MB of files such as flight plans, navigational data etc. that was not removed by uninstalling FSX. All data left in app/roaming/Microsoft/FSX was deleted. All data in documents was deleted. I believe all FSX data was removed.
I downloaded the newest driver and reset the nDivia control panel to default. No change in runway appearance.
When I saw that by changing Anisotropic filtering someone had success in changing runway appearances, I wondered how that could be done. I thought maybe it would be in nHancer so I downloaded that and installed it. That is what I am trying now. No luck so far but I still have aways to go. I will not be able to complete that until Sunday morning. Right now on that PC I have started a flight from EDDF to KLAX. I will let you know what happens.
I almost forgot to tell you that I tried flights from KDAL to KDFW departing KDAL on 31 and landing KDFW on 36L. On one of the flights instead of turning north for a ILS 36L I continued heading west and flew perpendicurlar to the runways at 3200 feet AGL. No problems with the runways appearances. I then turned north for a while and flew east perpendicular to the runways. No problems. I then turned south, west, and north for ILS 36L. As soon as the airplane was p
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I don't know why the last post quite when it did but here is the rest of it. As soon as the plane pointed towards the runways the area went grass/green. Why could I see the runways from the side but not the front view?
Michael Cubine
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Nvidia control panel ->3D settings ->manage 3D settings ->Global settings tab -> second FEATURE on list
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Nvidia control panel ->3D settings ->manage 3D settings ->Global settings tab -> second FEATURE on list
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Thanks. I'll try that Sunday morning as soon as I get on the computer.
Michael Cubine
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Success at last. I tried a lot of different things with no luck. But here is the solution that worked. nDivia Control Panel/3D Images set Anisotropic filtering set to 8x and application control not checked. nHancer has the same settings for Anisotropic filtering as nDivia. I uninstalled KDFW 1.0.1 and installed KDFW 1.0.5. I could probably uninstall nHancer but I don't want to screw with anything and get KDFW messed up again.
I thank every one for their help.
Michael Cubine
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I have been having the same problems as this this person posted. I'm running a built computer with an I7-3930k; 16.0 gb ram; nvidia GForce gtx680. Attached are the pics I took on approach //to KDFW 17C on 7/30/2014. All programs were up to date and scenery was a clean load tonight.
Thank You
Paul McCullough
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I have been having the same problems as this this person posted.
Then you should apply the same suggestion that will surely work. Your screenshot clearly indicates your video card settings are wrong, because you haven't Anisotropic filtering enabled, and that's is mandatory to get good quality with ground textures in FSX.
Enable Anisotropic settings at 16x, using the setting to Enhance the application.
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Dear Sir, My settings are correct including Anisotropic settings at 16x. I'm only trying to find a fix as all your other add on airports are working great. sending pic of video card.
Paul McCullough
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FSDT, I found a fix for the grassy runways on dfw. I had an old scenery that was showing thru somehow. Airport scanner took care of it. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Paul McCullough
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Dear Sir, My settings are correct including Anisotropic settings at 16x
No, they aren't. Your screenshot clearly indicate you have Antisotropic filtering disabled in FSX. Perhaps you are looking at the Global settings of your video card, but if you have a profile for FSX, or you used a 3rd party enhancer, you must check the custom FSX profile, and/or the 3rd party enhancer tweaks.
Also, try different Antisotropic settings in FSX itself, when the driver is set to enhance the application, you might get better result by turning it off in FSX. But try BOTH settings.
And of course, be sure you have the textures slider in FSX to the Maximum value or, better, use the Addon Manager to set HD texture, although KDFW doesn't use them.
I'm only trying to find a fix as all your other add on airports are working great.
Not all of them have custom runway textures, and ONLY those that have, are affected by the lack of Anisotropic filtering. There's nothing wrong with the scenery, your screenshot is a clear case example of lack of Anisotropic filtering.
Clear proof of this, is your FIRST screenshot, which shows also the *default* scenery around KDFW, and the texture quality is just as bad as the runway, and the same is true for the airplane textures, they are blurred too.
Do you use the "Fiber Accelerator" program ? If yes, perhaps that one is playing tricks of you and in order to keep the fps as requested, is lowering your setting in real-time.
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I purchased KDFW on 12-22-14 and had the same issues with the runways looking like grass on the approach. After looking at the post here with the possible fixes I can now see the runways 5nm out on the approach. I changed the FSX settings from Trilinear to Anisotropic fillering and in the Nvidia Control Panel, set the Anisotropic filtering to 8X. I am glad I found this thread about the grassy runways.