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FS9 support => Zurich scenery for FS9 => Topic started by: RobdeVries on October 27, 2007, 06:29:21 pm
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Hello,
Congrats on releasing such a nice and detailed scenery. However as I run Flylogic's Swiss Pro photoscenery. I would like to know if your scenery is/will be compatible with the photoscenery?
Thanks in advance,
Rob de Vries
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I think there shouldn't be any problems. But, since we offer our products as Trial version, the best way for you to know would be trying it yourself on your system.
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Mmm..I expected a more informative answer, not this beating around the bush.
I don't understand what you mean. The whole point of having a Trial version is to allow users to check a scenery with their favorite combination of addons, and to assess the aeastetic results of such combination using their personal tastes. What might look a good combination to a user, might look bad to another one.
I don't anticipate specific problems but, if we get compatibility reports with any specific 3rd party addon ( not necessarily that one mentioned ), it would be worth considering specific fixes, if needed from our side.
To put it simple: is this scenery designed with photoscenery in mind.
It has been designed to be a fully compliant FS9 scenery, positioned at the right place, and with a very precise background that extends very little outside the airport perimeter, that is also using alpha blending to smoothly merge with the rest of the scenery, whatever scenery is underneath. That's why I said I don't anticipate big issues that would appears as bugs.
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Mmm..I expected a more informative answer, not this beating around the bush. To put it simple: is this scenery designed with photoscenery in mind. Think about DREAM FACTORY STUDIO's GENEVA is made delibarately made with two install options available default and Swiss Pro photoscenery.
Thanks in advance,
Rob
Ditto.
With best regards,
H.W.M aka Treffl
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I think this picture will answer all questions ;)
Left to right: FSDT texture, default FS texture, Swiss Prof. Doesn`t looks so nice, perhabs it looks better if you deactivate the Zurich_terrain folder...
(http://fly12.ch/FSDTZRH.jpg)
Regards
Silvan
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Here's the real thing, from Airliners.net:
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/5/6/5/1064565.jpg)
I think the colors of our scenery matches reality quite nicely. The photoscenery has the typical issue of many photo sceneries: too bright and washed out colors.
What should we do, in this case ? Trying to match reality or a photo scenery ?
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Silvan,
don't deactivate zurich terrain folder, coz then you'll have some mesh problems around the airport. Rename just LC.bgl into lc.bgl.org in this folder and then it looks real nice.
Umberto,
the airport ground texture is made for the seasons. But CHPro is just summer! Which textures we have to deactivate to have only summer seasons as ground texture?
Bernhard Scharbert
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the airport ground texture is made for the seasons. But CHPro is just summer! Which textures we have to deactivate to have only summer seasons as ground texture?
It would be tricky because, just removing textures, will not automatically made the scenery to "fallback" to the only one left. It would instead show grey polygons in the disabled seasons.
We might instead working on having an even smoother transition.
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Unless Virtually makes a texture adaptation to make it fit with Flylogic Swiss Pro, I'm skipping this one. I had enough with all those user tweaks that are just not that...
Rob
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We had a quick discussion and the issue is:
Even by locking to the summer season, there wouldn't be a better match comparing to now, because our summer texture is really different from the one from Swiss Pro, their colors are far too bright.
So, we decided to create a separate official compatibility pack for Swiss Pro, that will feature a background expecially processed to match as closely as possible Swiss Pro colours, and with scenery locked to a single season, all with a proper installer.
Will be available very soon, together with other small fixes to the scenery we are doing (like a problem with rwy 14 DME)
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Compliments, for the quick customer service! (http://planetsmilies.net/happy-smiley-8814.gif) (http://planetsmilies.net)
Thanks!
Rob
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The colour of your texture`s are beautiful and of course the realestic, no question about this. I wish all Swiss Prof textures looks so clear like yours (Apart the bad frames ;D).
Thank you Bernhard, I`ll try it. But I think to have only summer textures would be a little bit boring. But everyone has his own opinion ;)
I think the transition of the textures isn`t bad. Because when your taking off, you see only the sky or cloud`s. During approach you`ll should have your eyes on the beautiful runway and your instruments and not the ground between you and the airport ;)
Nice to hear, that there will be an update available. Is there a chance that it will give some updates for the scenery itself? I still own only the Trial-Version and found some things that maybe need some corrections.
I`ll try to post them tommorow.
GN8 from Switzerland ;)
Silvan
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FlyLogic Swiss Pro Photoscenery FS9 work in progress.
[attachment deleted by admin]
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Looks good to me!!!
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Hi all,
2 issues. Primarily, I would also like the mesh problems east of Runway 14 addressed, I happen to live on one of these cliffs ;D they are just not there. What Kappa posted is nice tough.
Secondly, please be aware that most people also use this scenery (Swiss Pro I mean) on FS X, it will run there without any problem, so please make that pack available for FS X as well.
Otherwise, a great scenery. There are some small issues, but the main airport area is very nice indeed.
Best regards
Urs
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Apart the bad frames
Are you talking about the frames of Swiss Pro or about ZurichX? Because the major improvement I see in the scenery from the others of cloud9 it is exactly the question of framerate. It is far far better now. Of course I have a very good machine to handle FS2004, but comparing it to other sceneries I have, even freeware, it is far better.
harpsi
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Hi
Really a great scenery, congratulations!
It is nice that you react so quickly and that you are working now on a patch. However I want to make you aware of the fact that there is a free programme out that allows to convert the summer textures of CH-Pro into other season textures (Fall, Winter, Hard Winter, Spring). And it looks great, see http://www.flugsimulation.ch/forum/showthread.php?t=55322. I tried your scenery with Fall and Hard Winter and it looks fantastic. The fall colors of the Zürich scenery are very close to the CH-Pro fall textures; and winter is fine anyway.Therefore I strongly reccommend you to not suppress the seasons of your Zürich scenery in that patch.
Thanks,
Thomas
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today I saw the announcement of v1.1...congrat's! However contrary to my expectations nothing was said or implied about the comatability with Flylogic's Swiss Pro. Could you give a status update?
Rob
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Swiss Pro compatibility will be available very soon.
However, I would like to point out the scenery is already "compatibile", in the sense there are no particular problems using those together, except that they don't visually match too well, due to the washed out colors in Swiss Pro. Rather than talking about "compatibility" with Swiss Pro, we should say that an alternative set of texture will be supplied, to offer a better visual continuity, expecially during summer.
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Hi there,
Call it what you like... As shown in pics above your textures blend in with default textures and these are not compatible with Swiss Pro, leaving an ugly seam when installed with Swiss Pro. From the perpective of a default installation of your product as is, it's is not compatible visually, texture-wise with Swiss Pro.
However I do appreciate your effort to make an alternative set of textures to make your scenery blend seamlessly with Swiss Pro. And it's true your high res textures are gorgeous!
Rob
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Hi there,
Call it what you like... As shown in pics above your textures blend in with default textures and these are not compatible with Swiss Pro, leaving an ugly seam when installed with Swiss Pro. From the perpective of a default installation of your product as is, it's is not compatible visually, texture-wise with Swiss Pro.
However I do appreciate your effort to make an alternative set of textures to make your scenery blend seamlessly with Swiss Pro. And it's true your high res textures are gorgeous!
Rob
Hi
Maybe it is better to talk in the opposite way. Swiss Pro has very coloured bad textures, so maybe would be more logical to adapt its textures to this scenery. However, since Swiss Pro is already done and it is too big, it is difficult to make it. There is no comparation between this scenery and for example France VFR sceneries or megasceneries USA which are far away better.
You should not treat this problem like something that the team must do, because the bad scenery comes from Swiss Pro... sorry to say. I don´t use it for myself.
To begin the "phrase" like you began "call it as you like" is seems that you are giving responsabilities to the team about what is happening with textures blending each other.
harpsi
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Hi Harpsi,
Thanks for sharing your opinion. However before sharing your opinion you should to read even more careful than you already did. Nowhere I my comments did I give any responsibility nor to the team who made Zurich nor to any one else. Also please do not read anything into words which has not actually being said. If you do so you are putting the responsibility for things being said on me, where I did not say anything of the kind and therefore you're doing the exact same thing you seems to read in my comments above.
All methodological stuff put aside. You are right, it's not the teams responsibility to make Swiss Pro better. However they are responsible for their own products. And to put it simple: they will reach a broader audience if they make Zurich 'compatible' with Swiss Pro. Why? Because although not the only, it's still the best photo scenery of Swiss around. Although you don't have it, their are a lot of simmers who actually do have it. So whether you like it or not, the team will potentially reach a broader client base when they make their product compatible with other products like photosceneries, mesh products, UTEUR etc. And if you call it compatibility or visual consistency it really doesn't matter to me. I just don't want to see parts of default textures while flying in Swiss Pro.
Best,
Rob
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Sorry for having edited the above post, I hit the wrong edit button, it wasn't my intention to speak as one of you...I apologize to BernhardS.
Correct post is here:
I don't think he said isn't usefult, but certainly it has colors quite different from reality. Here's how the terrain around the airport is, in real world:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,24.msg110.html#msg110
As you can see, it matches pretty well what we have in our scenery. Swiss Pro is far too bright and some colors are burned and washed out, typical in photosceneries.
As a developer and user, I personally like much more a synthetic scenery over a photoscenery. The more the FS graphic engine becomes advanced in better simulating different light conditions and autogen, the best the synthetic scenery is comparing to any photoscenery. Forfeiting the subtle changes of lighting depending on time of the day, and seasonal changes, and autogen, for me, is too much to have photoscenery in exchange. ZurichX, for example, matches almost perfectly with Ultimate Terrain Europe, all roads, railroads and rivers fits very nicely, and the scenery doesn't look out of place.
However, there's no need to worry: we'll supply a version of Zurich that will match the Swiss Pro colors. Everybody will be free to use whatever version he likes more.
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However, there's no need to worry: we'll supply a version of Zurich that will match the Swiss Pro colors. Everybody will be free to use whatever version he likes more.
No problem, no worries Umberto..I'll be looking forward to a seamless visual continuity between Zurich and Swiss Pro ;D