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Products Support => GSX Support FSX/P3D => Topic started by: ACA235 on July 19, 2019, 04:18:31 am

Title: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: ACA235 on July 19, 2019, 04:18:31 am
Hello FSDreamTeam,

I own all of your scenery with the exception of Louisville.
I have built a brand new PC and all permissions are fine.

My base install would include the following:

I have the following installed: P3Dv4.5 (full clean install)
Some addon aircraft (entire PMDG fleet, FSLabs A319-A320)
Active Sky for P3Dv4

Of your software, I have installed CYVR with no issue - it never gives me issue at all (shows installed and active in the Addon Manager menu).  Inside of P3D under the Add-ons menu, I see everything I would expect to see from SODE, Addon Manager and GSX.  However this is where things begin to get weird.

I install KCLT, and then Addon Manager runs the live update (as per normal and finishes), I launch the sim.  I load the default scenario and go to the Addon Manager menu and select KCLT and active my serial. I get the activation window, it says activation successful, backups up the registry key and off we go.  I then go to KCLT and visually confirm the scenery is there which it is.  I exit the sim.  Upon restarting the sim, I launch the default scenario and I am asked to activate KCLT because it is installed and not activated.  I select YES.  It backs up the registry key and off we go.  I go in to the Add-ons Menu and then Addon Manager and look at KCLT and it shows installed and active.  I can not break the cycle of asking it me to activate.  On to GSX.......

I install GSX, and then Addon Manager runs the live update (as per normal and finishes), I launch the sim.  I load the default scenario and go to the Addon Manager menu and select GSX and active my serial. I get the activation window, it says activation successful, backups up the registry key and off we go.  All of the windows are there that I would expect (GSX) and when i press the CTRL+12, everything is still in TRIAL mode.  So I exit the sim.  Upon restarting the sim, I launch the default scenario and I am asked to activate KCLT AND GSX because it is installed and not activated.  I select YES.  It backs up the registry key and off we go.  I go in to the Add-ons Menu and then Addon Manager and look at KCLT and it shows installed and active BUT GSX is showing Product Active.  Again, I am unable to break this cycle...

*Before you ask me, my permissions are correct and I am able to install any and all addons with the exception of yours below.
*Before you ask me, YES my antivirus, firewall, windows defender and anything else that would impede my DOWNLOAD are off.
*Before you ask me, DURING install, all of the above are off and yes I have tried to install using the "run as administrator" function and by simple clicking on it.
*I have also created firewall exceptions for coualt, coualt_updater, coualt_update 2 both private and public
*I have uninstalled all the FSDT sceneries (including CYVR), uninstalled my P3D client, reinstalled the client to no avail
*I have downloaded entire new installers and run live update with all firewall and anti virus off- no joy
*I have used the downloaded package for GSx - no joy
*I have tried to have P3D run in Admin mode
*I have tried to have  coualt, coualt_updater, coualt_update 2 all run as admin - no joy
*I have added every possible known folder exception to windows defender, firewall, anti virus that I can for the folder that addon manager in in, along with P3D

AND - I have rebooted countless times!!

Not sure what else to try......


Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on July 19, 2019, 10:53:15 am
*Before you ask me, DURING install, all of the above are off and yes I have tried to install using the "run as administrator" function and by simple clicking on it

This doesn't do anything, because the installer will always run with admin rights, regardless if you said so or not.

Instead, your problem is you are running the sim As Administrator, most likely because FS Labs has set it that way. However, since the sim by default runs with your user account, we store the activation keys in the user registry.

So, if you always run the sim As Administrator, run it as a normal user instead, at least once for the activation.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on July 19, 2019, 03:33:11 pm
Same here since today. All my scenery included GSX in trialmode. No FS labs

Max
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on July 19, 2019, 04:07:38 pm
Same here since today. All my scenery included GSX in trialmode. No FS labs

Do you see the “Addon Manager” and the “GSX” menu under the “Addons” menu of the simulator ? If not, try this:

- Configure the antivirus to exclude the whole Add-on Manager folder from scanning.

- Try the Live Update again, or reinstall GSX using its most current installer, to be found under the "Products and Downloads" page of our site.

If that still doesn't work, the thread named "Addon Manager not showing up in P3Dv4 **SOLVED**" thread lists all the known solutions for missing menu entries from the "Addons" menu:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,17484.msg122656.html#msg122656

Even if the title says P3D4, the solutions are valid for FSX as well.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on July 19, 2019, 04:19:46 pm
The folder is excluded. Yesterday night everything was fine. Live update doesn't help.
The addonmanager is under the menu, but not the GSX. All other scenerys also in trial mode. Activating via the key doesn't help.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on July 19, 2019, 04:22:32 pm
The addonmanager is under the menu, but not the GSX.

This means the antivirus has blocked Couatl but hasn't blocked the Addon Manager. Since we haven't updated Couatl since the release of GSX 2.6 ( 20 days ago ), it's obvious that if it worked yesterday, and it doesn't today, it cannot be anything else than something happened between yesterday and today on your system.

Like a Windows update, or antivirus update.

Try to do a Live Update after a Windows restart.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on July 19, 2019, 04:47:59 pm
yes there was an windows update today. Very strange. after startup my pc again and FSX an extern program called soceo.....sorry forgot the name? ask me for the licensekey. ??????? Couatl is back now.

Max
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on July 19, 2019, 04:51:57 pm
update

everything is fine now. What ever it was.

Max
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: ACA235 on July 19, 2019, 06:07:42 pm
*Before you ask me, DURING install, all of the above are off and yes I have tried to install using the "run as administrator" function and by simple clicking on it

This doesn't do anything, because the installer will always run with admin rights, regardless if you said so or not.

Instead, your problem is you are running the sim As Administrator, most likely because FS Labs has set it that way. However, since the sim by default runs with your user account, we store the activation keys in the user registry.

So, if you always run the sim As Administrator, run it as a normal user instead, at least once for the activation.

SO back to my original post now - I have tried both and haven't been able to get it to work.

Would it be wise to uninstall the FSLabs Airbus series and then install GSX and see if that works?  I know if I launch P3D not in admin mode with the FSLabs airbus installed, it wants to revert the permission back to admin.

Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on July 19, 2019, 06:46:51 pm
Would it be wise to uninstall the FSLabs Airbus series and then install GSX and see if that works?

No need to uninstall anything.

You can momentarily disable FS Labs from the Options->Add-ons menu ( which is not the same of the regular "Addons" menu ), exit, revert the P3D Compatibility option to default ( No Admin mode ), and try to activate again.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: ACA235 on July 19, 2019, 07:05:28 pm
Would it be wise to uninstall the FSLabs Airbus series and then install GSX and see if that works?

No need to uninstall anything.

You can momentarily disable FS Labs from the Options->Add-ons menu ( which is not the same of the regular "Addons" menu ), exit, revert the P3D Compatibility option to default ( No Admin mode ), and try to activate again.

Done - and no luck.

Now the coualt scripting engine is refusing to start.  Not sure why this is proving to be SO difficult to install a program.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: ACA235 on July 19, 2019, 07:31:15 pm
Ya so I have tried literally everything and NO LUCK at all. 

This is beyond ridiculous to me and not sure why this issue presents itself.  I would think that one should not have to go to extreme lengths to install a simple piece of software

Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on July 19, 2019, 09:51:53 pm
This is beyond ridiculous to me and not sure why this issue presents itself.  I would think that one should not have to go to extreme lengths to install a simple piece of software

If your system is messed up beyond ridiculous, you should be thankful for our "simple" piece of software that is letting you notice that. I think it would be easier if we could just setup a remote assistance section, so I can check what's wrong with your system and fix that.

Sent me a PM to arrange that.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: ACA235 on July 19, 2019, 09:59:36 pm
With all due respect Umberto - my system is FAR from messed up.  In fact it is a brand new build with the latest and greatest of everything out there!!  Rather than take shots at you paying LOYAL customers, consider for a moment that perhaps, just perhaps - there may be a slight issue with your software.  If it we are simple as you say - we would not be having to exclude folders and jump though hoops to get it working - and I am not the only one!  Again, I do LOVE your products and the attention to detail you put in to them.  I am one of the lucky ones that actually gets to make a real world comparison to what you build and what I see out of "office" windows regularly!!
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on July 19, 2019, 10:05:19 pm
With all due respect Umberto - my system is FAR from messed up.

Can't say that until I checked what's really going on.

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!!  Rather than take shots at you paying LOYAL customers, consider for a moment that perhaps, just perhaps - there may be a slight issue with your software.

Yes, our software has issues: it doesn't have ENOUGH defenses against problems caused by strange configurations and other conflicting software. And each time we find a new one, we add our new defense. Not possible to do it in any other way that in the hands of real users, with thousands of strange configurations which are impossible to predict.

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we would not be having to exclude folders and jump though hoops to get it working - and I am not the only one!

Almost every software for every developer out there requires to Exclude folders. Isn't FS Labs suggesting the same thing ? Of course they do...

Awaiting for your PM.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on August 24, 2019, 02:12:56 pm
Sice today BACK in trial mode!!! This foult is for sure yours not ours. Whatever is the culprit here...sucks! >:(
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on August 24, 2019, 02:19:39 pm
With the limited amount of details you gave, it's obviously impossible to help you. You said GSX and all sceneries are in Trial mode. What do you mean with this ?

- Are they now listed "IN Trial" in the Addon Manager, and they work for 5 minutes at once, and with GSX showing the Trial airports menu ? THIS is "Trial Mode"

OR

- Are they just disappeared ? This is not "Trial mode", this is software not loaded, usually because of antivirus now deciding to block something, which sometimes happens just because we updated something, and some antivirus freak out when they see a new file that don't know exactly how to do with it, ignoring the fact they are all proper digitally signed to prevent this

So, it would help if you made an accurate report, because (as usual) every problem has an explanation, and also a solution.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on August 24, 2019, 03:23:01 pm
right. GSX shows Trial Airports. Today in midflight a few messages showing some of the airports now in Trialmode...very very strange.

Max
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on August 24, 2019, 03:25:45 pm
All my adddons are excluded in antivirus and firewall except gsx.....this is not the first time. and comes from one minute to the other.

GSX and manager/couatl is showing in the menubar.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on August 24, 2019, 03:28:52 pm
Ok, that's proper Trial mode, indicating everything is fine with the software, which is clearly running correctly. It might have been worse if the software didn't run, something that many users confuse with Trial mode, because they don't see anything. So, firewall or antivirus doesn't have anything to do with your problem.

It seems something must have tricked an hardware change.

We don't try to do any hardware detection on our own, we rely on Esellerate or Soraco (they are both running now, until Esellerate will close at the end of September, so it will be removed from our software too) so, if one of them is telling the hardware changed, we don't have any choice than trust it has.

Now, sometimes updating some drivers, or the bios, might result in an hardware change, because even Esselerate or Soraco don't really try to check the hardware directly. They rely on certain Windows API calls that returns the hardware ID to them. Some users noticed updating the BIOS, or changing some drivers, usually the network drivers, might result like an hardware change.

The question is, of course, are you able to reactivate normally ?
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on August 24, 2019, 03:33:41 pm
no other hardware or driverupdate. nothing!
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on August 24, 2019, 03:46:59 pm
You still haven't replied to my question: are you able to reactivate normally ?
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on August 24, 2019, 03:52:48 pm
what do you mean? with my keys?
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on August 24, 2019, 04:24:12 pm
now i have done a fresh install and activation with my license keys. anyway. gsx is activated but shows via opening the menue 3 airports and trialmode.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on August 24, 2019, 06:29:20 pm
now i have done a fresh install and activation with my license keys. anyway. gsx is activated but shows via opening the menue 3 airports and trialmode.

Is the Addon Manager now reporting GSX as Active ?
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: LX1842 on August 24, 2019, 08:30:48 pm
I seem to be having a similar problem.. been using GSX and other FSDT addons for years without issue, however after Windows update and running FSDT live update, GSX stopped working. Ive tried the following so far:

- P3D not running as admin
- re-run the setup (as admin)

In the addons dropdown i see Addon Manager and Couatl but no GSX, and in Addon Manager GSX shows as 'in trial mode'. When I try to register the serial, nothing at all happens.

I'm out of ideas.. Anything I missed? Any advice?

Fyi, no anti-virus running except Windows, where Addon Manager, P3D and SODE folders are all excluded (done before re-running the setup); UAC is in its lowest possible setting.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: LX1842 on August 24, 2019, 08:36:30 pm
I should add, after trying to register the serial (with nothing happening at all), Couatl seems to get somehow stuck.. it doesnt start again if i restart P3D, and if i try to re-run the setup without restarting windows coutatl doesnt shut down.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on August 24, 2019, 08:37:11 pm
In the addons dropdown i see Addon Manager and Couatl but no GSX, and in Addon Manager GSX shows as 'in trial mode'. When I try to register the serial,

Addon Manager and Couatl, but no GSX, seems the software is running, but GSX is not installed. Try to reinstall it with the full installer.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: LX1842 on August 24, 2019, 08:39:49 pm
thats exactly what I did when I say that I ran the setup
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on August 24, 2019, 08:42:12 pm
Try to follow the last steps indicated here ( the part about creating a log file )

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,17484.msg122656.html#msg122656

And attach the Couatl.log to a a post, so I can check it.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: LX1842 on August 24, 2019, 09:01:01 pm
Here you go..
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: LX1842 on August 24, 2019, 09:23:17 pm
deleted %PROGRAMDATA%\Virtuali and then GSX worked the first time i started P3D
Re-started P3D and again it didn't work..
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: virtuali on August 26, 2019, 03:47:03 pm
Still waiting for your log.
Title: Re: Support Request - GSX and All Scenery in Trial Mode
Post by: maxhades on September 05, 2019, 04:32:23 pm
AGAIN. everything in trial mode. no gsx menue showing. only addon manager. all scenerys and gsx in trial.

?