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Products Support => GSX Support FSX/P3D => Topic started by: tszchun_anson on June 26, 2019, 05:54:10 am
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Hi!
According to manual:
Starting with version 1.9.5, GSX will allow you to manually select between all matching operators available in an airport, instead of always select at random between the
highest scoring ones. As soon as you select a service, a menu will show all the operators that are allowed on the airport, with an indication of what GSX would choose by
default.
I am not sure why the menu does not pop up everytime when I select a service. The gate the aircraft is parked was assigned airline codes ("airlinecodes = HAS,JASG,SATS").
It appears that I should add a column "atc_parking_codes = HAS" in aircraft.cfg (column currently not yet there) in case I want this particular aircraft to be always loaded with containers with HAS logo, according to page 56 of the manual.
However, in this post http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,17547.msg123020.html#msg123020 (http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,17547.msg123020.html#msg123020) . You mention atc_parking_codes has nothing to do with ground operator. Then, if I want HAS always to be my ground operator for this particular aircraft in this particular airport, what should I do?
Sorry that I am confused.
Thanks,
Anson
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There's nothing contradictory between the manual and the post you linked. The atc_parking_code in the aircraft.cfg, as explained in the manual, only affect the choice of ULD loaders, and doesn't have any effect on the ground operator.
The ground operator, instead, is chosen using a scoring system that takes into account the couatl.icao_prefixes lines in the SIM.CFG of all GSX vehicles. Only the operator with the highest match will be show.
The atc_parking_code in the *scenery* (AFCAD), are used ONLY as "tie-breakers" of ground operators having the same score. This means, if the scenery has set for a certain parking atc_parking codes that don't match anything in the GSX vehicles for that airport, they won't do anything. To see an operator, it must have some score for that airport in the GSX vehicles files and, if there are many, only the one with the highest score will be chosen. The atc_parking_codes will enter into play only to break ties.
However, with the GSX customization page, you can use the "Airline codes" parameter and, in this case, the codes specified there will take precedence over everything else. But you must set them YOURSELF. If you don't do that, the ones from the scenery AFCAD will be shown, as an information, but they will only work as tie-breakers. It's only after you *edit* the field, they'll become real overrides, directly affecting the choice of operators, regardless of the default scoring system.
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The atc_parking_code in the *scenery* (AFCAD), are used ONLY as "tie-breakers" of ground operators having the same score.
i would like to make sure I get it right. Aren't the codes pre-filled in the "Airline codes" field in GSX customisation page read from bgl file of the scenery? Is that bgl file what you mean by "AFCAD"?
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It's only after you *edit* the field, they'll become real overrides, directly affecting the choice of operators, regardless of the default scoring system.
Let's take airport VHHH as an example. The scenery BGL file specifies atc_parking_codes for all different stands/gates which are displayed in corresponding GSX gate config page. There is another file SIM.cfg which contains the codes and scores of different GSX ground vehicles. Let's assume HAS and SATS score the same in SIM.cfg. If atc_parking_codes of a gate is set "HAS" only, that particular gate will be using HAS no matter which aircraft I use because atc_parking_codes breaks the tie.
Do I understand the system correctly?
In case I prefer Cathay Pacific aeroplanes to always be assigned HAS ground operator at this particular airport. Confirm I have to edit the "Airline codes" field for all gates in the airport, let's say from "HAS, SATS" to "SATS, HAS" then back to "HAS, SATS", just to let the system know I intend to override.
How about I want different airline aircrafts to use different ground operators in the same gate?
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Let's take airport VHHH as an example. The scenery BGL file specifies atc_parking_codes for all different stands/gates which are displayed in corresponding GSX gate config page. There is another file SIM.cfg which contains the codes and scores of different GSX ground vehicles. Let's assume HAS and SATS score the same in SIM.cfg. If atc_parking_codes of a gate is set "HAS" only, that particular gate will be using HAS no matter which aircraft I use because atc_parking_codes breaks the tie.
Do I understand the system correctly?
Yes, in your case HAS will "win", because its score which was tied with SATS for that airport, was boosted by being present on that parking, by means of the scenery AFCAD. The aircraft you fly ( the atc_parking_codes in the aircraft.cfg ) only affects the choice of the ULD.
In case I prefer Cathay Pacific aeroplanes to always be assigned HAS ground operator at this particular airport. Confirm I have to edit the "Airline codes" field for all gates in the airport, let's say from "HAS, SATS" to "SATS, HAS" then back to "HAS, SATS", just to let the system know I intend to override.
Again, the airplane you fly won't affect the choice of ground operators. If will only affect the choice of ULDs, but only if it has an atc_parking_code line in the aircraft.cfg file.
How about I want different airline aircrafts to use different ground operators in the same gate?
You can't. You set all the possible operators, and chose them from the menu.
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In \Addon Manager\Simobjects\Misc\FSDT_Baggage_Loader\Sim.cfg, I can find the following relevant entries:
[fltsim.100]
title=FSDT_Baggage_Loader_HAS
model=01
texture=HAS
couatl.icaoprefixes=VHHH
couatl.atc_parking_codes=_HAS
[fltsim.111]
title=FSDT_Baggage_Loader_JASG
model=01
texture=JASG
couatl.icaoprefixes=VHHH
couatl.atc_parking_codes=Jardine
[fltsim.162]
title=FSDT_Baggage_Loader_SATS
model=01
texture=SATS
couatl.icaoprefixes=VHHH
couatl.atc_parking_codes=SATS
They all score the same in sim.cfg because they share the same four characters "VHHH" in line "couatl.icaoprefixes=". In other words, the tie is there.
In airport config ini of VHHH, gate 40 has "airlinecodes = HAS,JASG,SATS". Again, the tie should not be broken.
Note that the airport config ini file was downloaded online and copied into \AppData\Roaming\Virtuali\GSX, not sure if it is related. But I think the entries in the ini should reflect atc_parking_code in scenery AFCAD.
But today when I selected GSX service, SATS is automatically selected. Did something go wrong?
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Note that the airport config ini file was downloaded online and copied into \AppData\Roaming\Virtuali\GSX, not sure if it is related. But I think the entries in the ini should reflect atc_parking_code in scenery AFCAD.
Please re-read my previous explanation carefully:
With the GSX customization page, you can use the "Airline codes" parameter and, in this case, the codes specified there will take precedence over everything else. But you must set them YOURSELF. If you don't do that, the ones from the scenery AFCAD will be shown, as an information, but they will only work as tie-breakers. It's only after you *edit* the field, they'll become real overrides, directly affecting the choice of operators, regardless of the default scoring system.
So, if the codes are in the .INI file it means it means they HAVE been edited by who made the .INI file so, they are not tie-breaker anymore, but overrides so, GSX will use them without caring about the scoring system.
Of course, only vehicles that *do* exists in GSX will appear
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Thanks for correcting me. So in this case, the ini entry has overridden the scoring system. But, for Gate W40, there are three operators. You said GSX would use them straight away, but how does GSX decide which one of the three will be used?
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You said GSX would use them straight away, but how does GSX decide which one of the three will be used?
It won't decide anything: it will show a menu of all three, assuming ALL of them are AVAILABLE as GSX ground operators. If you don't see the menu, it means there was only choice, because only one of such codes matched an existing ground operator in GSX.
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You said GSX would use them straight away, but how does GSX decide which one of the three will be used?
It won't decide anything: it will show a menu of all three, assuming ALL of them are AVAILABLE as GSX ground operators. If you don't see the menu, it means there was only choice, because only one of such codes matched an existing ground operator in GSX.
confirm couatl.atc_parking_codes in Sim.cfg against airlinecodes in airport ini?
You may have noticed in the previous example of VHHH that there are two GSX ground operators (HAS, SATS) matching codes in ini file, but actually I didn’t get any menu...
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You may have noticed in the previous example of VHHH that there are two GSX ground operators (HAS, SATS) matching codes in ini file, but actually I didn’t get any menu...
You will see a menu with HAS and SATS, because they are both available in GSX. Sorry, but without looking at ALL your files, I cannot possibly tell why you don't get the menu but, I can only confirm this is what will happen.
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You will see a menu with HAS and SATS, because they are both available in GSX.
Negative! I tested over again and again. No menu has ever popped up. The way I activated ground services was to "request boarding".
Sorry, but without looking at ALL your files, I cannot possibly tell why you don't get the menu but, I can only confirm this is what will happen.
I really want to get this sorted out! I am not the only person experiencing this issue as I know. Is there any way to help you identify the culprit? Thanks!
Anson
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Also, after the update released today, may I know the updated path of the ground vehicles? The previous path was \Addon Manager\Simobjects\Misc\. This are the things left now:
https://i.imag.cx/YvHQN.png (https://i.imag.cx/YvHQN.png)
In PBR folder, \Addon Manager\Simobjects\PBR, I found FSDT_Baggage_Loader, but the airline vehicles are no longer there:
https://i.imag.cx/YvNsM.png (https://i.imag.cx/YvNsM.png)
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The current update has changed everything, and I strongly suggest reading the updated manual, especially the Pages 33-35
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The current update has changed everything, and I strongly suggest reading the updated manual, especially the Pages 33-35
Thanks for letting me know. I now realise that two new options are available for me to choose handlers for baggage and catering independently. These 2 options will override the previously discussed scoring system.
However, since I may fly different airlines handled by different operators but parked in same gates, it is better if I can have choice every time I activate ground services at gate. That’s why I am more interested in knowing what I can do to fix the issues of “handlers are sharing same score, like HAS, SATS and JASG, but no menu has ever shown”. I hope you can provide me with some insight :)
Thanks,
Anson
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You cannot have TWO custom textures, but you surely can have a choice menu between two STOCK textures, by simply setting their codes in the airline codes field.
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You may have noticed in the previous example of VHHH that there are two GSX ground operators (HAS, SATS) matching codes in ini file, but actually I didn’t get any menu...
You will see a menu with HAS and SATS, because they are both available in GSX.
Not sure if this changed. Before the update, both HAS and SATS are included in default sim.cfg, and they are set in customisation page, which means they were GSX vehicles. But no menu has ever popped up.
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If you are referring to what USED to happen in the old version, it's not really relevant now anymore. I can only repeat and confirm if you set the correct codes, you'll see a menu.
If you read the updated manual, you would know now the file that controls all handling rules is just one, and it's under Addon Manager\texture\rules.cfg
If you checked that file, you would have notice that code for HAS is in fact _HAS, because "HAS" is Honduras Airlines, while _HAS is Hong Kong Airport Service. Since HAS doesn't exists in GSX, there was no menu, since the only possible choice was SATS.
I'm sure if you put the correct codes
_HAS SATS
You'll see the menu.
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Thanks for clarifying "_HAS" is different from "HAS".
However, even though I changed the "Airline Codes" field to "_HAS,Jardine,SATS", no menu has ever popped up.
https://i.imag.cx/YvzVP.png
"Airline Codes" set "_HAS,Jardine,SATS" for Gate W 40
But this time, I did try to request boarding then reset position then request boarding again to see whether there is a change of ground handlers. The answer is yes. The first was Jardine. After resetting position and requesting boarding, it became SATS. The key is, there was no menu available but GSX randomly chose either Jardine or SATS without asking me. It appears to be contradicted what you mentioned.
https://i.imag.cx/YvhMp.png
https://i.imag.cx/YvKvz.png
[Between the moments at which these 2 pictures were taken, what I did was just resetting position and requesting boarding]
Also, after several times resetting position and requesting boarding, _HAS vehicles never appeared. But there is indeed an entry for _HAS in rules_handling.
[HAS]
couatl.atc_parking_codes = _HAS
couatl.icaoprefixes = VHHH ZSPD ZSSS
couatl.basecolor = red
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Any update? :'(
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I just tried now, using the default scenery for VHHH and:
- By doing nothing and without setting any codes (the default scenery doesn't have any codes, by default), I get a menu with Cathay, Jardine, SATS and HAS
- By setting the airline code to _HAS,Jardine,SATS, I get a menu with Jardine, SATS and HAS
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I just tried now, using the default scenery for VHHH and:
- By doing nothing and without setting any codes (the default scenery doesn't have any codes, by default), I get a menu with Cathay, Jardine, SATS and HAS
- By setting the airline code to _HAS,Jardine,SATS, I get a menu with Jardine, SATS and HAS
The only difference between you and me is default scenery versus 3rd party's (T2G). But as you said, airline codes set in the customisation page will have the highest priority and override all other factors. What else can cause my issue?
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The only difference between you and me is default scenery versus 3rd party's (T2G). But as you said, airline codes set in the customisation page will have the highest priority and override all other factors. What else can cause my issue?
What do you see if you remove all codes ?
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The only difference between you and me is default scenery versus 3rd party's (T2G). But as you said, airline codes set in the customisation page will have the highest priority and override all other factors. What else can cause my issue?
What do you see if you remove all codes ?
Will try.
Btw, so farwe have talking about the baggage and pushback handler.
How about catering? Any menu for choice of that? Should I also type in the codes “CATHAI” (found in catering rules file) in airline code field?
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The only difference between you and me is default scenery versus 3rd party's (T2G). But as you said, airline codes set in the customisation page will have the highest priority and override all other factors. What else can cause my issue?
What do you see if you remove all codes ?
Tested. Even I deleted all codes, GSX still automatically picked one for me without giving me choice.
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I speculate that something wrong with GSX causes the lack of menu with addon scenery, because the problem persists despite changes of several ini and bgl files.
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As I've said, I cannot reproduce your problem, and I tested the codes for default VHHH, and they works as expected.
It's impossible to check your problem if you don't provide with a precise description of which scenery you use, which AFCAD is in use, your GSX .INI customization file, your Couatladdons.INI file settings (maybe you set a Global override ? )
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As I've said, I cannot reproduce your problem, and I tested the codes for default VHHH, and they works as expected.
It's impossible to check your problem if you don't provide with a precise description of which scenery you use, which AFCAD is in use, your GSX .INI customization file, your Couatladdons.INI file settings (maybe you set a Global override ? )
Thanks. I will provide you with these shortly for investigation.
I didn't know there is an option of Global Override. Do you simply mean pressing "Airport" in the list of parking and set things up?