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Products Support => GSX Support FSX/P3D => Topic started by: FreaXter on November 09, 2018, 07:57:22 pm
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Hi there,
I did an update quite a few minutes ago and the fuel truck has a new position. :-) Thats nice, but I think there is some trouble with the fuel nozzle position. Look at the pictures i added to this post.
The truck doesn't hold at the correct position even if the fuel inlet is set correctly.
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The truck doesn't hold at the correct position even if the fuel inlet is set correctly.
We'll check it. Are you sure that's not the fuel position as specified in the airplane configuration ?
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Yep, I've checked it so the inlet position is correctly aligne. It just stops far behind it. ???
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This also happened to me. PMDG 737. Fuel truck nozzles ended up just behind the trailing edge of the wing.
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In GSX settings, I had to manually adjust the fuel location of a PMDG 737 NGX 800 WL aircraft setting as: 13.50, -3.47, 3.85. This worked perfectly (right on the refueling port under the right wing).
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I have same problem. Previously when fuel tank truck faced forward, fueling hoses reached NG wing leading edge filling station area correctly, and it was easy to read the fuel meter from a spot view beyond the right wing. After latest GSX update, with fuel tank truck facing backward, the fueling hoses are behind the trailing edge, and can no longer easily see the fuel meter. Truck now goes to backward facing position even though there are no baggage loaders or catering trucks in the area. Is there a way to revert the fuel truck default position to forward facing ?
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Error confirmed. Due to the changed approach of the tanker to the wing, the reference points have shifted. But that affects all planes. If the change should stay that way, all reference points would have to be changed. Likewise, the filling indicator on the tanker would have to be changed to the other side, since it can no longer be easily seen. I think that this much work does not make sense. Please just take back this change. ;)
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Is there a reason why the fuel truck stands that way? Normally it should park like it did before. On most airports the roads are in front of the planes, and the fuel truck has to park in a way in which it doesn't have to turn around to leave the parking spot in case of fire.
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In GSX settings, I had to manually adjust the fuel location of a PMDG 737 NGX 800 WL aircraft setting as: 13.50, -3.47, 3.85. This worked perfectly (right on the refueling port under the right wing).
Thank you for sharing, I did that too. I haven't used any other PDMG Aircraft since this update, so hoping to get an easy fix there if there is a problem
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If you see the refueling point which appears to be correct in the editor, leave it as it is. If there's a problem now, we must fix it from GSX, not by moving the refueling point in the wrong position on purpose.
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Umberto,
Apparently the fueling location is not aligned in 737 BGX as the fuel nozzles shoot up in air (i.e., not underneath the wing). You should check this out.
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I'd just like to know why in the world did the fuel truck behavior need to be changed? It was perfectly fine the way it was before this update. Now it's a disaster. It didn't run into anything, the hose was nicely lined up to the fuel cap... please put the fuel truck back the way it was, this is really aggravating. sorry to be so blunt, but this just sucks the way it is now.
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Dear mike4370,
reading helps, also here in the forum. Look at ntalimci's post above for a solution. If you do not want that, you have to live with the change.
If you use another aircraft, this can also be easily adjusted with the GSX aircraft editor. If you want, anything is possible. ;D
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Dear virtuali,
if you already change the approach of the tanker, you should look at the whole thing optically.
It makes no sense to leave the baggage loader in the standard position - distance to the plane - as the tanker often "drives through". an optical mess.
It also makes no sense to let the catering vehicles drive along with the tanker at the same time. On the one hand, the tanker has to take an unnatural path - bend off - on the approach, and on the other hand, the 2nd catering vehicle gets in the way when leaving.
I think your previous solutions were better, either the tanker or the catering vehicles, but not at the same time, but in a row.
You can of course argue that this would take too much time. But you can easily handle that.
The easiest way would be to set a specific process.
If the catering is requested, GSX2 only needs to allow a simultaneous boarding of the cabin crew. In order to do this, the time between boarding the cabin crew and boarding the passengers would have to be extended, just in case the catering request is made before the boarding. Additionally provided with the "if" function, allow
the boarding of the passengers only after completion of the catering and closing the right doors.
This would also make the separation of cabin crew boarding from the boarding of passengers superfluous.
In addition, an option "one-click service" would be nice. Refuel - catering and boarding, with a click triggered and processed step by step.
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Excellent point regarding the boarding priority. In my opinion the boarding request should be separated for the crew and the passengers. This is what I would like to see:
1. Request for stairs so that cleaning staff, etc. can enter the plane even in cold & dark condition
2. request to board flight crew as they always arrive before the passengers
3. Request for refueling (while the flight crew is on board)
4. Request for catering
5. Request for boarding passengers
6. Request for pushback
7. All inclusive request - one command to commence ground operations in the sequence above
8. Reset (panic button)
I do not know if this is too much to ask; but please re-consider.
Thank you.
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Dear virtuali,
if you already change the approach of the tanker, you should look at the whole thing optically.
It makes no sense to leave the baggage loader in the standard position - distance to the plane - as the tanker often "drives through". an optical mess.
It also makes no sense to let the catering vehicles drive along with the tanker at the same time. On the one hand, the tanker has to take an unnatural path - bend off - on the approach, and on the other hand, the 2nd catering vehicle gets in the way when leaving.
I think your previous solutions were better, either the tanker or the catering vehicles, but not at the same time, but in a row.
You can of course argue that this would take too much time. But you can easily handle that.
The easiest way would be to set a specific process.
If the catering is requested, GSX2 only needs to allow a simultaneous boarding of the cabin crew. In order to do this, the time between boarding the cabin crew and boarding the passengers would have to be extended, just in case the catering request is made before the boarding. Additionally provided with the "if" function, allow
the boarding of the passengers only after completion of the catering and closing the right doors.
This would also make the separation of cabin crew boarding from the boarding of passengers superfluous.
In addition, an option "one-click service" would be nice. Refuel - catering and boarding, with a click triggered and processed step by step.
And especially it doesn't make sense at all, that the fuel truck automatically arrives and refules the plane after landing, before the baggage gets deboarded. That happens to me nearly all the time in the FSlabs A320/319 when I choose the gate in advance.
Also why do the Belt-/High-Loader leave the airplane, even if I don't request refueling?
I would like to add that I am not using GSX Level 2, just standard GSX with all current updates.
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I'd just like to know why in the world did the fuel truck behavior need to be changed? It was perfectly fine the way it was before this update. Now it's a disaster.
For the obvious reason this one IS a more realistic position:
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Walid_Moudani/publication/266963224/figure/fig1/AS:295567407239171@1447480169366/Ground-handling-arrangement_Q320.jpg)
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hamed_Nezhad/publication/317167462/figure/fig39/AS:500392913051649@1496314375577/2-B737-400-servicing-arrangement-typical-turnaround.png)
It didn't run into anything
It WILL, now that you can choose many services at time.
, the hose was nicely lined up to the fuel cap...
You are confusing this issue, which IS a bug that we'll obviously fix, with the change in position, which instead is correct.
please put the fuel truck back the way it was, this is really aggravating. sorry to be so blunt, but this just sucks the way it is now.
No, since THIS is NOT a bug, so there's nothing to be "fixed"
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I never said it was a bug. I never even used the word "bug" in my entire post. Seeing that you quoted everything I said, I would think you already knew that I never said anything was a "bug"
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I'm not sure whether I'm understanding you correctly virtuali. Do you mean it is more realistic if the tanker is parked with the front pointing in the opposite direction of the plane? I that would be the case, in case of a fire the tanker would have to flee onto the apron, where no roads can be found on most aiports, but taxiing aircraft instead.
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I'm not sure whether I'm understanding you correctly virtuali. Do you mean it is more realistic if the tanker is parked with the front pointing in the opposite direction of the plane? I that would be the case, in case of a fire the tanker would have to flee onto the apron, where no roads can be found on most aiports, but taxiing aircraft instead.
I've to jump in here quickly. Umberto is right with the direction of the fuel truck.
If you spot on any airport you'll see that the truck is always positioned in the opposite direction of the aircraft.
The only part here not working is the relative position to the wing. This should be fixed.
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Then that's a country specific or airport specific thing. On all - really all - airports I know the truck is positioned in the direction of the aircraft. I've never seen a fuel truck positioned in the opposite direction of the aircraft in reality nor on any picture.
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There are plenty of examples on the Internet:
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There are plenty of examples on the Internet:
Exactly what I said. Thx :-D
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Good point, I didn't knew that. Then the best option would be to make it customizable
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Good point, I didn't knew that. Then the best option would be to make it customizable
You people who want to make everything customizable just to meet their own ideas. At the finish no one will want to use the programme because it will take hours to
customize before you can start flying. Which is actually the reason for the sim.
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Good point, I didn't knew that. Then the best option would be to make it customizable
You people who want to make everything customizable just to meet their own ideas.
It has nothing to do with "own ideas". That what I described can be seen at a lot of airports at least in europe. You don't have to use the customization fuctions if it's not that important for you. There's always a default you can stay with.
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I never said it was a bug. I never even used the word "bug" in my entire post. Seeing that you quoted everything I said, I would think you already knew that I never said anything was a "bug"
Well, you said it was a "disaster". That sounds even worse than "bug".
YES, YES. We ARE fixing the attach position of the fuel cables. In fact, we already fixed it in our internal version, which should be posted as soon we finish with a couple of other new features.
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Thanks for fixing this, I look forward to the update!
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I never said it was a bug. I never even used the word "bug" in my entire post. Seeing that you quoted everything I said, I would think you already knew that I never said anything was a "bug"
Well, you said it was a "disaster". That sounds even worse than "bug".
YES, YES. We ARE fixing the attach position of the fuel cables. In fact, we already fixed it in our internal version, which should be posted as soon we finish with a couple of other new features.
Well, it was a disaster comparing it to how it was before, it worked beautifully before. The fuel truck is running into other ground equipment as it approaches the airplane, sometimes it's driving all the way to the other side of the airplane and then driving through it to get back to the other side, the fuel cables aren't lining up at all (I know you're fixing this and I've tried to fix it myself through the airplane editor but it didn't work)
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After latest GSX update, with fuel tank truck facing backward, the fueling hoses are behind the trailing edge... and can no longer easily see the fuel meter :o :o :o :o :'(
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Well, it was a disaster comparing it to how it was before, it worked beautifully before.
It's much more realistic than before, and the problem with the wrong fuel hoses has been fixed.
The fuel truck is running into other ground equipment as it approaches the airplane, sometimes it's driving all the way to the other side of the airplane and then driving through it to get back to the other side, the fuel cables aren't lining up at all (I know you're fixing this and I've tried to fix it myself through the airplane editor but it didn't work)
This is only because we gave you now the ability to do fuel together with other services. There was a reason why it wasn't allowed before, and was exactly to reduce the chance for conflicting vehicles. Now, it's more under your responsibility.
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Umberto - thanks for the fuel hose fix ! Lineup on FSL A320 seems perfect.
Any chance you can change the fuel upload display to the opposite side of the fuel truck ?
Previously you could watch fueling using a standard spot view from beyond the wing.
As it is now the pump display doors open onto the engine nacelle, so you need a special view to see it, and the space between the truck and engine is so tight it is difficult to see both the display and the fueler attaching the hoses.
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As it is now the pump display doors open onto the engine nacelle, so you need a special view to see it, and the space between the truck and engine is so tight it is difficult to see both the display and the fueler attaching the hoses.
I guess we could.
Note that, in the future, the tanker truck will be far less common, since the preferred method (at least at gates), will be a fuel hydrant, which we are working on.
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I absolutely agree. The way the fuel tank was operating before the update was perfect. Now that it is facing the wrong way you cannot read the meter and it drives all over the place and through other vehicles to get there. Please put it back the way it was.
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I absolutely agree. The way the fuel tank was operating before the update was perfect. Now that it is facing the wrong way you cannot read the meter and it drives all over the place and through other vehicles to get there. Please put it back the way it was.
No, it's NOW facing in the more realistic way, one that won't cause any problems with other vehicles that now CAN operate at the same time with it. Please read my previous answers, which explain why the fuel truck has been correctly changed they way it is now.
We'll reverse the fuel indicator, but that's another issue entirely.
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With the last update, this issue has reappeared for my PDMG 737-800.
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With the last update, this issue has reappeared for my PDMG 737-800.
Which issue ?