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Products Support => GSX Support FSX/P3D => Topic started by: comic40 on May 13, 2018, 12:07:45 pm
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Hello, I have a problem with virtuali addon manager when I active it on P3D and i load a scenario I have verry low fps I am at 10FPS exactly.
I set graphics on low and it the same fps are at 10 and locked.
I have this problem since I install KLAS FSDT on my sim.
I unistall it and deleted it but nothing.
I unistall and reinstall addon manager but nothing.
When addon manager is disabled in addon i don't have problem but when i active it i have low fps.
I hope someone have a solution.
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Hi,
Same here. I uninstalled all add-ons in the XML file. Then added them one by one. Meanwhile checking P3D for FPS (30-60). Untill I added the GSX add-on in the XML. Beng ....... 10 FPS max.
I'm now uninstalling GSX via the usual way (via windows programms) and installing a lower version. Maybe it helps.
I will be back with more information ..........
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Ok thanks !
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Hi,
Tried reinstall of GSX. Tried to take ownership on the directory "addon manager" plus sub-dirs, tried to de- an re-activate the serial in P3D via the menu. There must be something wrong in the XML or CFG files or ...... I don't know now.
I now have set active=false in the add-ons.xml and have 60 FPS back. Go for a sleep now. Tomorrow maybe virtuali has an idea where to look for an answer.
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Please clarify the following: do you have low fps on a non-FSDT airport too, "just" because the Addon Manager is active ?
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I don't have FPS problem on a no FSDT airport.
I have low fps just when I active addon manager.
Before Installing FSDT KLAS i don't have problem whit addon manager but after installing KLAS i have low fps when i active addon manager everywere
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I don't have FPS problem on a no FSDT airport. I have low fps just when I active addon manager.
Still not very clear. Are you saying that now, with the Addon Manager active, you have low fps everywhere ?
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Yes exactly when I have addon manager activated i have low fps everywhere.
I think is due to installation of the FSDT KLAS scenery.
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Hi,
I have low FPS (max 10) at stock airports, FSD, AeroSoft, FSDreamteam, and other airports when GSX active.
When I have de-activated GSX (active = false in XML), all FPS 30-60 are back. And no GSX functions offcourse.
Strange, huh?
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When I have de-activated GSX (active = false in XML), all FPS 30-60 are back. And no GSX functions offcourse.
XML ? You say you use P3D. Which version ? We don't use the XML anymore since P3D 3.4.
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Sorry Umberto,
I was wrong about XML's. This is my entry in add-ons.cfg:
[Package.0]
PATH=C:\Users\USERNAME\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons\FsDreamTeam Addon Manager
TITLE=FsDreamTeam Addon Manager
ACTIVE=FALSE
REQUIRED=false
Active = FALSE because when it's TRUE I have FPS problems. Any airport, stock or bought addon scenery.
Software:
P3Dv41
Latest version GSX (from the site)
Windows 10 64-bit
ASCA
FTX
Lots more
All installed and executed as admin.
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I'm sorry, but I really cannot reproduce this, or explain why you have low fps with just the software enabled.
Try all the following:
- update your video drivers. Select the option to do a "clean" installation, which will reset all settings and tweaks to default.
- try to force P3D to recreate its shaders, by removing the following folder:
%LOCALAPPDATA%\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\Shaders
the screen will be dark for a while, then it will appear in a couple of minutes. See if this makes a difference.
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Hi Umberto,
I did reinstall NVidia's latest drivers with clean install. Even in safe-mode windows 10. With admin mode.
I did remove the shaders via PTA. In admin mode.
Then I unistalled GSX via the normal way in Windows 10. Some directories of the addon manager stayed behind and deleted them aswell. Then did a clean install of GSX. All in admin mode.
Strange ...... isn't it? I'm flabbergasted.
Maybe you can give me the content which have to be in the CFG's or other files. Then I can compare them with my files. Maybe it helps to solve.
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Could you please try disabling every other 3rd party module, and leave just the Addon Manager enabled ?
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Hi,
Yep. Will do that tomorrow and report ack what's happened.
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Did some tests:
All my addon's active + GSX = 10 FPS
All my addon's active - GSX = 60 FPS
Only P3D default scenery active + GSX = 10 FPS
Only P3D default scenery active - GSX = 60 FPS
Conclusion: I think something odd has happened here. No matter what, when I'm activating GSX the FPS drops to max 10.
I think I have to unistall the P3dv4 client and reinstall it. Maybe that helps. Not happy :-[
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I too have had this issue after installing KSDF. There i something going on with GSX. Support says they cant reproduce these. There are numerous people reporting issues. Something going on..
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Support hasn't just "said" we cannot reproduce it: I've posted a screenshot proving it doesn't happen:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php/topic,17783.msg124411.html#msg124411
And I'm obviously continuing to following it and getting more data. So yes, a couple of people are reporting lower fps with this but, since we are sure that nothing in the update could possibly have any effect on fps and the 747 works just fine here, there must be SOMETHING ELSE, which we are still trying to understand.
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Update:
I deleted the index files
Deleted prepard3d.cfg
Started p3dv4
Result:
Still 10 FPS max
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Try to delete the shader cache:
%LOCALAPPDATA%\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3d v4\Shaders
Start the sim, it will be all black, just wait a couple of minutes for the shaders to be recreated.
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Umberto,
You suggested this earlier in the 12th post. But, I did this again, and no effect.
Still updating all of my modules (for example FSUIPC and SODE). I'll keep you posted for results.
It's a anoying bug. I now fly for 15 years. Never experienced these kind of silly problems.
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Reinstalled FSUIPC latest version
De-installed and installed SODE latest version (already had it)
Result:
Still 10 FPS max
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We had another update today. Nothing that could have any relationship with fps but, since not even the last one had, yet you noticed an fps drop, perhaps it might change something for you so, it's worth a try.
As usual, be sure you configure the antivirus to exclude the Addon Manager folder.
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Hi,
I have a similar problem.
Yesterday I installed a really fresh Windows 10 Pro on a new SSD and installed P3D v4.2 too. All drivers and SO updated to yesterday.
Then install in this order: Toposim mesh, ORBX Global, ORBX Europe LC and PMDG NGX. I fly a short 1 hour flight and all correct.
Today I install GSX and when undock any window like PMDG ND or PFD, P3D ATC window, etc. and move to other monitor, fps low to 10. If undock PMDG ND on the principal monitor, no low fps but the ND undocked stay freeze; if return to dock the image move again.
I tried to uninstall GSX and the problem disappears.
Then, I can't use GSX becouse my frames low to 10 fps in all aiports and with all aircrafts.
Please, can you help me?
Thanks and best.
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Hi Umberto,
I installed the latest GSX update. As you wrote. No luck.
Now I'm moving all addons out of P3Dv41 disk before I reinstall the client software (making backups of all my CFG and XML files). All lot of work to do.
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I installed the latest GSX update. As you wrote. No luck.
Of course, I was quite sure of it. Since nothing in the previous update could possibly cause an fps loss, nothing in the new one would fix anything.
It's not strictly required to uninstall everything. Can't you just disable all addons *EXCEPT* the Addon Manager, and see if it makes any difference ?
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Hi,
Did that scenario. See post 14.
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I'm sorry, but I can only repeat and confirm I cannot reproduce the problem in any way. Do you have the "Cap Simconnect updates" Addon manager option enabled ? If yes, turn it off (it's off by default)
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Hi Umberto,
No problem at all. I know we both, with more then 30 years experience in IT and simming together, are desperately seeking "what's wrong here". I hope we find the origin of the problem before we have a solution. I've never seen this kind of trouble. Not in FS9, nor FSX.
I saw some posts in PrePar3D forum. Also about "max 10 FPS" trouble. The solutions there are looking at the Nvidia software (problems with VSync, etc.). Following this post closely.
I start tonight with my last option, reinstall the client software. But first I will look at your last possible solution in the Addon Manager.
Keep you posted.
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Same with me ...i fly with gsx over 2 years everyday now i cant use it...i’m waiting for fix from fsdt.Thanks
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Same with me ...i fly with gsx over 2 years everyday now i cant use it...i’m waiting for fix from fsdt.Thanks
As already explained several times in this thread, I cannot reproduce the problem in any way so, it's impossible for me to even start investigating something that doesn't happen here. And, of course, only a handful (4-5, at most) user have reported it so, I can only assume it also doesn't happen to the vast majority of the several thousands user that downloaded the update.
Nothing has changed in the Addon Manager that could have any effect on the fps, not at least in months.
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Hi,
Well, from the last update, some users (like me) has a very hard fps problems with GSX. You can't reproduce the problem, but we can't use GSX.
Can you give us the previus version?
Best,
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To people with fps issues
Recently updated Windows 10?
Install Video and Sound Card drivers for your hardware again.
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Hi people,
I see there are some of you who join the discussion. Welcome. Don't be impatient. We all are investigating what's wrong here.
I did some further research:
1. I did uninstall and reinstall the client P3Dv41 software. No possitive result.
2. I did uninstall v41 and reinstalled with client P3Dv42. No positive result.
All with admin rights ofcourse.
I've done allmost everything that could have caused FPS10 problem within P3D. Uninstall and reinstall all possible addon software within the sim.
I'm tending to a conclusion that it's not within P3D (add-ons or airplane) or possibly GSX. I think it's outside the sim. Just as claimed on the LM forum. Soundcard of graphics. Allthough I've reinstalled this software at the beginning of this post, maybe I have to go to an earlier version of Nvidia. I know almost for sure that the Spring update win10 is not the culprit. I had the problem before the win10 update.
But, it can also be .net or C++ software.
@Umberto, does GSX need other software like C++? Which versions? Then I can take look at these uninstall and reinstall options.
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Can you give us the previus version?
The very concept of a "previous" version doesn't mean much, with a program that updates itself. You can TRY installing from the GSX installer with the network disconnected: and that would give you the GSX version which was current at the time you downloaded that installer.
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I have to use latest window (1803) update on last night and latest Nvdia driver ...still no luck .... i use in home cockpit and when i use undock pfd and pull to position on another monitor then fps going down to 12 when close undock it’s back to 80++ and i just clean in stall my window 2 days ago. Gsx is addon i was install after PMDG NGX and show that issue so I think it’s from addon manager or gsx. Im not complaint anything but just inform to find the way to fix together.
Warm regards,
Pawat
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Hi,
I'm running out of options. I have uninstalled and reinstalled all of my addon's like AS16, ASCA, SODE, FSTramp, etc.
I could get some help of the others who joined in this post.
Umberto, see my last question.
Does GSX need other software like C++? Which versions? Then I can take look at these uninstall and reinstall options.
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Hi,
I'm running out of options. I have uninstalled and reinstalled all of my addon's like AS16, ASCA, SODE, FSTramp, etc.
I could get some help of the others who joined in this post.
Umberto, see my last question.
Does GSX need other software like C++? Which versions? Then I can take look at these uninstall and reinstall options.
What version of P3D are you running?
Cheers..Cees
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P3Dv41 (full). Also tried P3Dv42 (only client), with no luck.
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P3Dv41 (full). Also tried P3Dv42 (only client), with no luck.
I was on P3D 4.1 and when I installed 4.2 client and content the trouble was over.
Good luck.
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OK,
That is an option. So, only the client and content? I will try.
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Hello,
I tryied this:
P3D v4.2: Uninstall Content and uninstall Client, then install Client and Content
Downloaded and installed last version GSX Complete (2.4)
The problem persist.
I hope that the Fsdreamteam people are working on this problem.
Best,
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I hope that the Fsdreamteam people are working on this problem.
We cannot even start working on this problem, since none of us was ever able to reproduce it, across different systems and P3D versions.
Also, see one of the last posts:
I was on P3D 4.1 and when I installed 4.2 client and content the trouble was over.
So, clearly, if the problem could be solved by updating P3D correctly, it was never an FSDT problem to begin with. Not that I wasn't sure of this, but this last post if the final proof it must be something else.
And yes, as I already explained several times, fact it "seems" to go away if you disable our software, doesn't mean we are the cause. We are only triggering an existing problem, which you are not able to see with other addons, since not many use the new SDK feature which, incidentally, are made to IMPROVE performances, not reduce them, since we can use a more low-level access (full official and fully documented, of course), bypassing Simconnect. This, apparently, seems to require the sim to be fully updated and correctly updated.
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P3D v4.2: Uninstall Content and uninstall Client, then install Client and Content
Downloaded and installed last version GSX Complete (2.4)
This is not the correct way.
1)Uninstall client then install client.
2) Uninstall content and then install content
This is the right way of updating P3D
Cheers...Cees
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Re-install windows and updated all driver / installed p3d & pmdg737 / gsx - still 12fps.,
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when uninstall gsx everything back to normal 60fps+ When put everything a lot of addon without gsx it’s still 60fps.... .... Maybe it’s time to say Thank you and bye. It’s very easy to judge where this problem form.
Regards,
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It’s very easy to judge where this problem form
No, it's not. You are confusing the cause with the effect. Since this is clearly video-drivers related, you THINK the problem has gone away by removing our software, just because no other addon is made to EXPOSE IT.
As explained in other threads, since a while ago (not since the last update, but since at least 3-4 months), we use some new functions in the P3D4 SDK, to get more direct access to screen updates, without using Simconnect, so we would be less affected by other addons spamming Simconnect with too many commands (distrupting our animations) AND we would spam Simconnect ourselves much less too, reducing the chance we'd do to the other addons what their might do to us. Ideally, all 3rd party addons should try to use such feature in the future, because it's way more efficient than Simconnect. This is called the PDK, and it's exclusive to P3D3+, but we only use it with V4.
HOWEVER, being more related to video drivers, it's possible this new API might be affected more by PROBLEMS, or more likely wrong "miracle" tweaks, either in the sim or in the video drivers you have applied, which might affect how this API works.
So, you DO have a problem, but you don't have an addon able to EXPOSE IT, unless you keep GSX installed. But of course, sooner or later, other developers will use the PDK, with more and more P3D4-only products coming out so, you'll have this problem even with no GSX installed, so you will be back to finding the REAL cause, which wasn't GSX of course.
Some other things to check for:
- Video driver tweaks. Try to remove ALL of them. Reinstall the drivers using the option to do a "Clean" reinstall
- Affinity mask tweaks. Remove all of them and just use the default, and see if there's any difference.
- Check/Uncheck the "Cap Simconnect updates" option in the Addon Manager menu, and see if there's any difference.
For those affected users, we might try making a special version of the Addon Manager that could be tweaked to NOT use the new PDK API, and revert back to Simconnect, likely with an .INI settings. However, it would be just a temporary hack to at least *confirm* the problem is in fact related to the usage of the PDK but, you will still have to fix it at your end because, we'll use the PDK more and more in the future and, I expect many more products will come out using it.
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Hi Umberto,
Please read again:
Re-install windows and updated all driver / installed p3d & pmdg737 / gsx - still 12fps.,
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when uninstall gsx everything back to normal 60fps+ When put everything a lot of addon without gsx it’s still 60fps.... ....
Like me, no tweaks, no tocuh .ini, not touch .cfg, not touch graphics driver... not touch nothing..
With all installed from default after a cleaning fresh Windows 10 installing, you insist on telling the user not to do things he has not done.
Some other things to check for:
- Video driver tweaks. Try to remove ALL of them. Reinstall the drivers using the option to do a "Clean" reinstall
- Affinity mask tweaks. Remove all of them and just use the default, and see if there's any difference.
If do you want, I can format again my hard disk and install only Windows 10, drivers, P3Dv4 and GSX and not touch anything. Then try if when undock a windows the fps goes down. Do you think this can help?
Thanks and best regards.
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I would love to try this opportunity. It makes GSX downward compatible, and that's great.
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I would love to try this opportunity. It makes GSX downward compatible, and that's great.
Yes but, it will only be a TEST version, released privately to the few affected users that might be useful as possible bug report to LM. It will never be an official option and won't ever appear in an official release, because we NEED the PDK function so, assuming they are the problem, the correct choice is NOT to cripple GSX forever, but helping LM understanding what might affect it on *your* systems.
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Please read again:
Re-install windows and updated all driver / installed p3d & pmdg737 / gsx - still 12fps.,
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when uninstall gsx everything back to normal 60fps+ When put everything a lot of addon without gsx it’s still 60fps.... ....
I surely read it and, that's NOT a "clean" reinstall. It's a reinstall with GSX AND the PMDG 737. So, the only proper and complete test would be, instead of just uninstalling GSX, trying without installing the PMDG 737. Maybe there's some kind of conflict with don't know of.
Then try if when undock a windows the fps goes down. Do you think this can help?
This is the first time you said anything about undocking. Do you mean the fps goes down only after you undock a window ? Any window of the sim, or a specific one ?
Of course, I tried it now, by undocking all of these:
- The GSX (Simconnect menu) window. No fps change
- The default GPS gauge window. No fps change
- The default ATC window. No fps change.
I also tried setting the image quality to the max ( FXAA = On, 8xSSAA, Anisotropic 16x, Texture size 4096 ) and I noticed SOME fps loss when undocking windows, but nothing as remotely severe as reported here, like going down from about 80 fps on a default airport with a default airplane, to 65-70 fps.
And of course, I get the exact SAME fps loss with the Addon Manager disabled so, it's clearly a normal effect of having high anti-aliasing settings and undocked windows.
I'm sorry but, regardless how hard I try, I cannot reproduce this problem in any way.
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I would love to try this opportunity. It makes GSX downward compatible, and that's great.
Yes but, it will only be a TEST version, released privately to the few affected users that might be useful as possible bug report to LM. It will never be an official option and won't ever appear in an official release, because we NEED the PDK function so, assuming they are the problem, the correct choice is NOT to cripple GSX forever, but helping LM understanding what might affect it on *your* systems.
Offcourse, I understand it's a test version, only private use. If you have one, please PM me where to get the patch, to try and to investigate "what is my rig's problem". Then I can work on it to solve it.
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hi all.
i am having the same problem with huge frame rate drops with undocked windows. i use 6 monitors on 2 graphics cards. i had been using gsx for a long time with no problems then suddenly if i undocked a window onto a screen connected to my 2nd graphics card frame rate drops from a locked 32 to about 9. i can drag an undocked window half way onto another screen ok but as soon as it is fully moved framerates drop. i have done a full uninstall of nvidia drivers and p3DV4.2 then reinstalled. everything worked perfectly until i reinstalled GSX then the problem came back. disable GSX and all ok. i have now reinstalled all my other addons (loads of them) and sim runs perfectly, only GSX addon manager causes this problem. GSX is a great product and i hope a solution can be found, i need pushback and i enjoy watching the baggage handlers at work!
all the best and many thanks, pete.
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i had been using gsx for a long time with no problems then suddenly if i undocked a window onto a screen connected to my 2nd graphics card frame rate drops from a locked 32 to about 9.
This is the 2nd report the issue has something to do with undocking so, it clearly confirms several things:
- It's nothing that we can do about it, because we don't have any control and we don't even *try* to access the simulator windows directly.
- It's likely related to the new PDK function of the SDK, which we DO use. Not many (if at all), developers use them, which is why, you don't see it with other addons.
Unfortunately, we simply cannot just decide to stop using them, because they are the only way to do some fundamental features we require for the next GSX update and the new O'Hare, which is Render to texture, and using the official PDK is the only way to do it in the clean, proper and officially supported way, without resorting to the dark ages of dangerous hacks.
The only thing we can do, is confirm the problem is indeed related to the PDK, and report it to LM, assuming it still hasn't been fixed in the upcoming 4.3 release., which is very possible it has so, I suggest waiting for 4.3 to be released officially, and see if the issue is solved.
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I would love to try this opportunity. It makes GSX downward compatible, and that's great.
Yes but, it will only be a TEST version, released privately to the few affected users that might be useful as possible bug report to LM. It will never be an official option and won't ever appear in an official release, because we NEED the PDK function so, assuming they are the problem, the correct choice is NOT to cripple GSX forever, but helping LM understanding what might affect it on *your* systems.
Offcourse, I understand it's a test version, only private use. If you have one, please PM me where to get the patch, to try and to investigate "what is my rig's problem". Then I can work on it to solve it.
Hi Umberto,
What's the progress with the TEST version for the affected users?
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i had been using gsx for a long time with no problems then suddenly if i undocked a window onto a screen connected to my 2nd graphics card frame rate drops from a locked 32 to about 9.
This is the 2nd report the issue has something to do with undocking so, it clearly confirms several things:
- It's nothing that we can do about it, because we don't have any control and we don't even *try* to access the simulator windows directly.
- It's likely related to the new PDK function of the SDK, which we DO use. Not many (if at all), developers use them, which is why, you don't see it with other addons.
Unfortunately, we simply cannot just decide to stop using them, because they are the only way to do some fundamental features we require for the next GSX update and the new O'Hare, which is Render to texture, and using the official PDK is the only way to do it in the clean, proper and officially supported way, without resorting to the dark ages of dangerous hacks.
The only thing we can do, is confirm the problem is indeed related to the PDK, and report it to LM, assuming it still hasn't been fixed in the upcoming 4.3 release., which is very possible it has so, I suggest waiting for 4.3 to be released officially, and see if the issue is solved.
I have been having similar issues to those logged in this thread. Low FPS (10-12) with GSX installed... regardless of whether undocked windows.
Following on from a suggestion above about installing an earlier version.. I did just that with my computer offline (network card disabled). Version installed reports as Addon Manager 4.0.0.5. The file version I installed from is dated 16/07/2017 and file version is 2.0.0.2 I do not have the low FPS with this release.
Not sure how much light this sheds but thought it worth adding to this thread.
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as another test, i did a clean install of p3d on a hard drive using windows 10 (i normally use 7). with p3dv1 no issues either docked or undocked, with p3d4.1 low framerates no matter what, and with p3dv4.2 only frame rate drops with undocked windows onto 2nd graphics card. obviously my hardware is the same across all of these tests. very strange behaviour.
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What's the progress with the TEST version for the affected users?
As I've said in several other posts, after attending the Flightsimexpo, we'll do a 2 week vacation in the US, and we'll be back in office June 25th.
And, since LM will release 4.3 sometimes in June, and the whole point of having a test version, is only to help us finding something to report to them, it doesn't make any sense even start working on it, considering 4.2 would be obsolete by then, and they surely won't be interested getting a possible bug report for 4.2, after 4.3 will be out.
So, let's first see if 4.3 will eventually fix your problem (again, as I've said so many times, nobody of us was ever able to reproduce it), and if it doesn't, we'll eventually work on a test version without the PDK features.
Note that, such version won't be fully functional, since we *REQUIRE* the PDK functions now so, it will not work entirely and couldn't possibly be used for anything other than a test to possibly submit a bug report to LM.
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Listen Umberto,
I have been cooparative for a long long time, especially helping you and others to find the problem. Your comment "(again, as I've said so many times, nobody of us was ever able to reproduce it)" did shut the door for me and made me furious. I don't like the tone of your comment. Even if you can't reproduce the problem yourself in a lab-situation, you can't deny that there is a problem with your software.
The problem came to light after you upgraded GSX with a new feature "PDK". It's your right to add this, but then you also have the obligation to ensure the software keeps on running with most common software and/or hardware combinations. That's called testing before you release something new. It's common sence in the software world. At least you have have the obligation, after introducing new features, to give the paying customer the choice to use the so called "PDK" or not. By giving them a menu switch or something to switch PDK ON or OFF.
You do not give us another choice then to wait for your return of vacation or the release of P3Dv43. Meanwhile nothing is done to help us. That's a very sad situation and observation.
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Do you never have a holiday?
Show some patience!
And by the way, his correct name is Umberto.
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Even if you can't reproduce the problem yourself in a lab-situation, you can't deny that there is a problem with your software.
+1
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Even if you can't reproduce the problem yourself in a lab-situation, you can't deny that there is a problem with your software.
+1
Still wrong, regardless how many "+1" this post will ever get. Software, like science, is not a democracy, where the opinion that gets the most votes is the right one. There's only one correct answer, and it's not necessarily the most popular one.
As I've said, so many times already, it's very possible the problem is something internal to P3D, and might only happen only under specific circumstances and/or combination of drivers, other addons, etc. and, if this is the case, it means:
- The problem is NOT our software
AND
- There's nothing we can do to fix it, only LM could.
It's the same as the very well known Simconnect menu bug, which is clearly a 4.2 bug and it HAS been fixed by LM in 4.3 and yes, even then, some people mistakenly assumed it was "a GSX problem", only because GSX is one of the most popular affected products but, thanks god, there are OTHER 3rd party applications that use a Simconnect menu, so it was easy enough for users to realize it couldn't possibly be our problem to fix, since all the other applications were all affected in the same way so, the noise about the supposed "GSX menu bug", eventually came down.
Now, with the PDK, the issue is a bit different, because the PDK is brand new, and I don't believe anybody else is using it, so it's more difficult for me to prove it's not a "problem of our software", but that doesn't mean it's not exactly the same issue as the Simconnect menu bug: something outside our control that only LM can fix.
In addition to that, there's the added issue of not being able to reproduce it in any way, which wasn't the case with the Simconnect menu bug, which affected me and each and every user all the same so, it's likely even more complex in this case, because clearly only A FEW users are affected (not 100% of users, like the Simconnect menu bug), so I suspect it might possibly be related to other factors using in COMBINATION of our usage of the PDK features, like other addons, video drivers settings, or the way the sim is used, such as the way windows are moved/docked, etc.
Again, it's likely something we simply cannot fix, and only LM, after a proper report, which REQUIRES being able to reproduce it ourselves AND allowing LM to reproduce it too, otherwise how they can even start working on it ?
I asked to wait for 4.3 to be released, for the simple reason that LM will surely tell me the same thing: it wouldn't make any sense for them to investigate a possible issue with a version which will be outdated soon, fact I'm on vacation right now, it's just an even more sound reason for doing so, and wait for the 4.3 release.
AFTER 4.3 is released, assuming those of you affected by it are STILL affected, I'll ask to someone with this issue to have a Teamviewer session, so I could check the configuration, the settings, the other addons installed, which MIGHT eventually lead to the ability to reproduce it on my system, which is the first step to fixing the problem.
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Umberto,
Okay, okay, okay, I've calmed down. With that kind of long post, I gave up. There's nothing to do than wait.
Have a nice holiday.
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Umberto,
I went back to the GSX version I bought last year. With internet connection off. Now I have the FPS back to 60, but I get the message "GSX has been disabled on this airport by user settings".
I did a search on the forum, and the only way to get rid of the message is to update with FSDTLiveUpdate link on the desktop. But I don't want that. Is there a way to get rid of this message without updating?
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enjoy your trip Umberto, and let's hope LM iron out the bugs soon. with people investing heavily in the P3D platform and addons, and seemingly many now using 2nd/3rd monitors with undocked panels etc this problem with the new SDK method may affect lots more users/developers as time goes on. fingers crossed for v4.3!
all the best, pete.
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Ok i will wait for 4.3 release first.... Hope it’s can solve our problem... Have a good vacation, alexvs i’m do like you with old version gsx but next flight when im connect to internet it’s back to 12 again. Im just uninstall gsx and wait now
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Been following this thread for a while now as I am having exactly the same problem as mentioned above. Has LM given any indication as to when v4.3 will be released other than "sometime this month?" Maybe I've just been missing the date somewhere.
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Could someone of you affect, could try with all other addons disabled, except GSX ? That should be fairly easy to do, at least for proper addons that used the add-on.xml method: just disable them from the Options->Addons menu and restart the sim.
At least, this might indicate if the issue is possibly caused by a conflict with some other addon, maybe one that reads the screen or handles the windows in an unusual way, which might conflict when something uses the official PDK-way.
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I'm completely sure that it's an addon conflict because I had no problem before installing the KLAS scenery, everything was working properly GSX and all the other addons.
But as I said before, when installing the scenery of KLAS FSDT my sim went from 60 fps to 10.
I did everything reinstalled the sim, deleted all files related to p3d but once the installation of GSX and activation of it I return to 10 fps.
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It's not possible it's an addon conflict caused by another FSDT addon, because they use exactly the same software.
If you are keeping doing the opposite of what I asked (disabling/uninstalling GSX), instead of disabling all the OTHER addons, we are never going to find IF the conflict is in fact caused by a conflict with GSX and another addon or, more precisely, by a conflict between another addon and the PDK interface we now use in our software.
That might explain why I was never able to reproduce it. The ONLY time I was ever able to see a dramatic fps drop, was when enabling G-Sync in Windowed mode but:
- It happened even with GSX disabled
- It affected other programs, not just P3D4
- It was eventually fixed with a newer version of the nVidia driver.
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You have to understand that I have completely reinstalled P3D and that I only have GSX on it.
I do absolutely not the opposite of what you say I tried and it's the same result.
I disabled all other addons but no change.
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Hi Umberto,
In the "history" of this topic I tested the following situations:
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) with content, FSTramp on, AS16 on, GSX on = 10 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) with content, FSTramp on, AS16 off, GSX on = 10 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) with content, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX on = 10 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) emptied, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX on = 10 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) emptied, all add-ons (add-on.xml) emptied, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX on = 10 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) emptied, all add-ons (add-on.xml) emptied, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX off = 60 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) with content, FSTramp on, AS16 on, GSX off = 60 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) with content, FSTramp on, AS16 off, GSX off = 60 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) with content, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX off = 60 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) with content, all add-ons (add-on.xml) emptied, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX off = 60 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) emptied, all add-ons (add-on.xml) emptied, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX off = 60 FPS
Clean P3DV41, default sceneries (scenery.cfg) emptied, all add-ons (add-on.xml) emptied, FSTramp off, AS16 off, GSX on = 10 FPS
ON = program running or via addon organizer entries active
OFF = program not running or via addon organizer entries deactivated
with content = all bought scenery content in the XML or CFG file present or active via addon organizer
emptied = all bought scenery content in the XML or CFG file deleted or deactivated via addon organizer
Did this also with a clean install with P3D42 client reinstall or/and content reinstall.
I also renewed my video drivers to the latest versions or tested with the earlier version when I didn't had the "10 FPS" problem. No luck in both situations.
I have Win10, 64 bit, latest april update. I also tested without the april update. In both situations see result above.
I have 2 video cards, an GTX1070 and a GTX660
I have 5 monitors, all connected to the cards
I have 16 Gb memory installed
I have a 3 Tb SSD drive, a 250 Gb and a 500 Gb ATA drive
I have Z270X Ultra Gaming motherboard
I have a Intel® Core i5-7600K, 3,8 GHz (4,2 GHz Turbo Boost) socket 1151 processor (FC-LGA4, "Kaby Lake-S") processor
All drivers are up-to-date.
And the last test, see my post of yesterday, with my question "how do I get rid of the anoying error message without updating via the FSDT Live Update" icon on my desktop???????
Do you need more tests? Or other situations?
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As I've said, it's useless to do any testing now with P3D 4.1 or even 4.2, since LM would surely tell to wait for 4.3.
If you are really sure the problem happens even with *just* GSX installed, then the only possible explanation is that, on YOUR systems, something is causing the PDK API, which we use, to not work well, perhaps related to specific video settings.
As I've said, when 4.3 will be out AND I'll return from my vacation (I have no idea when 4.3 will be released so, I don't which one will come first), AND if you still have the same problem, we might try having Teamviewer sessions, so MAYBE I could find the offending setting, which will allow to replicate the problem on my system, which will in turn allow me to file a proper report to LM, which will allow them to do a fix.
They'll surely pay attention to it, since we are using only 100% officially documented function, just that we are probably the first/only ones doing that, so there wasn't enough feedback from other developers.
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Hi Umberto,
Teamview. OK, after your vacation is OK.
I don't know if you're already packed your bags and left the building. How do I get rid of the anoying message "GSX has been disabled on this airport by user settings" without updating? I just want to use the old software. I now have installed it, I have 60 FPS, and I can't use it.
Help, please.
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How do I get rid of the anoying message "GSX has been disabled on this airport by user settings" without updating?
By removing the airports you have manually added to the disable_on_airports line in the couatladdons.ini. Page 23 of the GSX manual.
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I have the the same FPS problem too
with the same Symptoms :
without the addon manager installed: 50-60 FPS
with the addon manager installed : maximum 10 FPS
So I think that I can prove to you that the problem is coming from the "Addon Manager" its self and not from P3d as you said:
Im using your products already 1 year on the same p3d [4.1] and until now I didnt saw somthing that similar to this problem
yesterday I decided that I want to install scenery that i bought sometime ago - and here is the main idea:
just after the installing of the new scenery the FPS problem appered
and from what I know when you install FSDT product you get the product + the last addon manager inside the installtion
from what i said here you can clearly infer that the problem is not with p3d becouse until the update of the product everything worked great
the problem is somewhere in the update
so all what I think that you have to do until the next update or fix for this problem
is to give us link to the previus version of addon manager
please sir, think about us - we bought with our money your products
and they are not so cheap- and now we cant use any scenery or gsx that i paid for them +- 100$
so please let us some solution becouse you can do it! by giving us the previous version until finding the sourse of the problem
waiting for your answer
thanks,Ariel
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So I think that I can prove to you that the problem is coming from the "Addon Manager" its self and not from P3d as you said
That's not what you proved.
As I've said, several times by now, the problem is likely some kind of issue in one of the functions of the new P3D4 PDK, which cause low fps to some users only and no, you can't say the problem is "coming" from the Addon Manager JUST because it goes away if you disable it or it doesn't happen with a previous version.
You didn't see in the previous version, only because we didn't use some new functions which, as I've said several times by now, are 100% officially documented so, we are not doing anything wrong and we are only following the P3D4 SDK but, again, if no other addon use those functions, you are easily mislead the Addon Manager is the "problem", but it's not, the problem is likely something in the sim itself, which happens only if SOME addon is using SOME of these new features, which are quite new, so there wasn't much feedback from developers.
And, it clearly happens under some specific conditions, since (as I've said, several times by now) I was never able to reproduce it and if it happened to everybody, we would have hundreds or even thousands of reports by now, considering the number of people that downloaded the update.
As I've said, several times by now, we'll wait for 4.3 to be released, and hopefully the problem will go away.
But that's not the main reason: the main reason is, assuming I'll be able to reproduce it, which can only happen after I will finally have a Teamviewer session with some of the affected users to find out what's different with their systems, I might be eventually be able to file a bug report to LM, but it won't be considered now, with 4.3 so close to release.
About getting the old version, you can just install with the network disconnected, so you won't get the latest updates.
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Read the manual!! In the ini the value of that variable = NONE. So it should work on every airport.
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ok
and if i will say you now that i found the latest version of GSX (2.4)but with the previous addon manager and it works great
would you belive me ?
becouse i did ....
so from now on its only your choise to belive us about that...
i fixed the problem for me..
but i lost all the sceneries that i bought becouse i have no previous version for them...
i realy dont understand why its so hard to help the users to fix the problem
nothing can happen from tring to help us with uploading previous version
we are your consumers and its very sad that i and the other here need to try prove you the soultion and you dont even want to let us to try!
and just for you attention 1 month gone from the opening of this post and there is no offical solution
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Umberto,
Leave the answer to the anoying message. For the moment I'm fed up with this GSX problem. I have deactivated the addon-xml entry of the Addon Manager. Back to 60FPS.
I landed at LSZH, and to my utmost surprise "NO AIRPORT BUILDINGS". I thought "What ... @#$%^"
Now I can't use GSX, and after I landed I saw that I also can't use LSZH en LSGG. Because it needs an active Addon Manager to work. And when I have the Addon Manager active I drop down to 10 FPS. The problem is even worse than I thought. I now can't use software worth EUR 73,=
I'll wait until you have found a solution.
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Any chance you can make the GSX installer prior to 2.4 (or whichever version was released last week) available for download?
With this problem of low FPS, coupled with the boarding issue also reported, I've had to uninstall GSX completely from my system in order to fly.
I tried installing the current installer available for download from the website with my internet disconnect to prevent any auto updates from happening during install, but it looks like the conflict was already in the download.
I do enjoy using GSX so if we could get the previous's version's installer so we could at least get our systems back up and running as it was before until P3D's next update comes out and the FPS drop issue can be looked into more would be awesome.
Thank you.
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Read the manual!! In the ini the value of that variable = NONE. So it should work on every airport.
If the variable is NONE, then it will work at every airport and you wouldn't see the "GSX has been disabled on this airport by user settings" message.
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and if i will say you now that i found the latest version of GSX (2.4)but with the previous addon manager and it works great
would you belive me ?
Of course, why wouldn't I ? If you are making this question, it means you haven't read my previous explanation.
You are still confusing the cause with the effect. Yes, the problem happens (on SOME systems) only with the latest Addon Manager, because only the latest version use some new functions of the PDK and, what I'm quite sure of, is that those functions are the problem.
The issue is, we cannot just stop using them, because we'll require them for all our future products so, the proper way to fix this is:
1) Being able to reproduce the problem. As I've said, so many times by now, I cannot reproduce it in any way so, the only possible way is checking one affected user system with a remote assistance session, and then TRYING to replicate it myself.
2) Assuming I might be able to finally replicate it, I'll be able to send a bug report to LM. Or, at least, a request for help. You can be sure this won't happen before 4.3 will be released, which should be very soon.
3) I cannot do anything while on vacation (until June 25th).
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This version works correctly thank you!
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Thank you! Installing that version offline did the trick and the cockpit is back to normal.
Hope you enjoy your time here in the states.
Cheers!
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Thank you! Installing that version offline did the trick and the cockpit is back to normal.
Hope you enjoy your time here in the states.
Cheers!
+1, happy-the-pappy :D
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I’m sorry, but this can’t be the final solution for the boarding issue (baggage loading ongoing). I’m using FSX with acceleration pack and there is no problem with FPS, only the problem of never-ending baggage procedure, push back is only possible by restarting GSX, interrupting the whole process. And reading all the messages under that item I’m shure that there are hundreds of other users faced with the same problem. I’m also shure that you can solve the problem after being back from holiday.
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You don't need any other link than the one I posted, since GSX comes with the Addon Manager, of course. Just be sure you install it last and with the network disconnected.
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I can confirm that I also have experienced the drop in frame rate.
I run a total of 5 monitors across 2 x 10 series Nvidia graphics cards.
If I load up a scenario where I have any 2d windows open on the touchscreen monitor connected to the 2nd video card, I get a drop in frames.
This includes loading scenarios with default aircraft at default airports, with the SimConnect window displaying on the touchscreen monitor.
If I disconnect the video cable from this monitor whilst P3D is running (forcing the SimConnect window to be moved to my main monitor), reconnect the monitor, and then move the SimConnect window back to the touchscreen monitor, I get no drop in frame rates.
I have to do this every time I load P3D.
I can confirm that this situation only occurred after a recent update of AddOn Manager and GSX. The framerate drop and subsequent fix is not required if AddOnManager or/and Couatil are disabled.
I hope that might help you in tracking down which SDK/PDK calls might be causing this.
Regards
David
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I hope that might help you in tracking down which SDK/PDK calls might be causing this.
I think I already know which calls might be (and keep in mind that, with the PDK, if you do anything wrong, it will just crash the sim so, I'm quite sure we are using them correctly) but, the 5 monitors with 2 GPU scenario is not something I could try to replicate. I can only hope LM will.
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You don't need any other link than the one I posted, since GSX comes with the Addon Manager, of course. Just be sure you install it last and with the network disconnected.
But i have more products of fsdt -few sceneries
And if i wont get general link for the previous addon manager
Iwonr be able to install the sceneries becouse you know..
Its will upsate the addon manager...
What can i do?
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And if i wont get general link for the previous addon manager
Iwonr be able to install the sceneries becouse you know..
?? who told you that ? GSX installs exactly the same Addon Manager files of the stand-alone Addon Manager. The ONLY difference is the stand-alone Addon Manager is a smaller download, because there's no GSX files in it, but that's it.
What can i do?
Just do what I said to do: install the earlier GSX ( although I still believe that using the Restart Couatl when the current version is BY FAR the better option...) and there's nothing else to do. Do you think I would instruct to do something that would disrupt your other FSDT products ?
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LM people came with some suggestions:
- Ensure that there are no recording/overlay software running. Nvidia geForce experience and Windows 10 game bar have both been reported to cause fps drops in some cases.
- Are you running in SLI ?
- Do you have very high graphic settings which would require the driver swapping resources in/out because of not enough GPU memory ?
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if i will install the other fsdt sceneies after the installtion of gsx are you sure that the addon manager wont update ( assuming that the internet is disconecting while the installtion)?
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if i will install the other fsdt sceneies after the installtion of gsx are you sure that the addon manager wont update ( assuming that the internet is disconecting while the installtion)?
You must install the previous GSX last, with the internet disconnected. If you *must* reinstall a scenery after GSX, reinstall that GSX version again.
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Have anyone test with 4.3?
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Hello,
Tested with P3D v4.3 and the problem persist.
Best,
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Could anyone affect please test this file ? To install it:
- Unzip the attached file, which contains a DxGauge folder
- Copy this folder in the Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons folder.
- Edit the default Mooney Bravo G1000 panel, located at SimObjects\Airplanes\Mooney_Bravo\panel.g1000.cfg, to add this gauge:
Add a new texture entry to the [VCockpit01] section. The line to be added is highlighted in Bold
[VCockpit01]
file=Mooney_Panel_G1000_Decals_Gray.bmp
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Mooney_G1000
background_color=0,0,0
gauge00=G1000!MFD_Mooney, 0,0,765,500
gauge01=G1000!audio_panel, 779,513,97,511
gauge02=G1000!G1000_PFD, 0,514,765,500
texture00=CursorTexture, 0,0,765,500
- Update the Cameras.cfg file:
Add the Cursor Effect as a Post Process to the Virtual Cockpit camera definition. The cameras.cfg file can be located in the following location:
%APPDATA%\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\cameras.cfg
[CameraDefinition.002]
title = Virtual Cockpit
Guid = {C95EAB58-9E4A-4E2A-A34C-D8D9D948F078}
Description = This is the description of the virtual cockpit view.
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = Yes
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=30
HeadingPanRate=75
PanAcceleratorTime=0
HotKeySelect=1
PostProcess00 = CursorEffect
- Run Prepar3D and Select the Mooney Bravo G1000 if not already selected. Enter the Virtual Cockpit view. The Cursor Texture will be rendered into the right GPS panel. The Cursor Effect will be rendered onto the Virtual Cockpit view.
- Check if you still have the fps loss. Of course, for this test to be meaningful, you must first DISABLE the Addon Manager with the Options->Addons menu.
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Hello,
I had followed all steps and I can see a big yellow cross in the center of screen.
I can't find how to deactive Addon Manager from the Add-ons menu, then I cut/copy the Addon Manager folder from Documents to Desktop.
When undock the ATC winodws and put on the other monitor connected to a second graphic card, the fps low from 60 to 50 (This is normal). If Addon Manager is active, the fps low from 60 to 10 on the same situation.
Regardas,
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So, are you saying that, with the posted sample, you don't have any fps loss, only with the Addon Manager ?
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I tried to test it but after I put the DXGauge in my addon folder and let it try to enable, P3D would crash at startup so I had to delete it.
But I did find if I disabled the Addon Manger in Options>Add ons, my FPS did not drop when panels were moved to another monitor. With Addon Manager enabled, FPS would continue to drop to 8-10 FPS.
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So, are you saying that, with the posted sample, you don't have any fps loss, only with the Addon Manager ?
Is correct., only low fps with Addon Manager active.
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Ok, could you please try running the FSDT Live Update now ? There's a new Addon Manager .DLL for P3D4 to try.
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Hi,
I am out of my city. I will come back on Thursday an then I will try it.
Thanks and regards.
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Hi Umberto
just tested the configurations you suggested. mooney bravo with modifications & addon manager DISABLED =no framerate loss with undocked panels DRAGGED TO ANY SCREEN.
addon manager updated & enabled = framerate drops to 10 with undocked panels ON 2ND GRAPHICS CARD SCREENS as before.
PROBLEM ONLY IF I DRAG UNDOCKED PANELS TO ANY SCREEN FED FROM MY 2ND GRAPHICS CARD.
regards, pete.
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hi
attached are 3 photo's of the actual problem as it is in my sim.
photo1 (addon manager DISABLED) is an undocked panel on the main screen (60fps)
photo2 (addon manager DISABLED) is the same undocked panel dragged to another screen (60fps)
photo3 (addon manager ENABLED) ... well you can see, now 12fps
because i use 6 screens and rely on undocking panels to them this makes GSX unuseable for me now.
all the best, pete.
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Are you using the latest version of the Addon Manager, which you can get by running the FSDT Live Update, as I suggested to do in my last post ?
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hi umberto
yes, re-downloaded and installed the addon manager then ran the FSDT updater.
pete.
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yes, re-downloaded and installed the addon manager then ran the FSDT updater.
We are starting to run out of options.
Of course, I cannot reproduce the problem in any case, so I'm trying doing fixes in the blind. Now not only we don't do anything related to rendering anymore but, it's even more optimized in the sense that, regardless if there's something to render or not, the special PDK render routine is only called twice at most and won't be called again unless there *is* something to render (which is not the case yet, since there's no released product that use that feature) AND this thing has changed somewhat. Before, it still wasn't doing any render, but it was doing "nothing" at every frame, now is optimized as it can be, even more than the sample I sent to test.
So, I'm starting to believe your problem might not even related to this function but, I'm afraid it's almost impossible for me to work under these conditions.
Assuming there is a problem (I'm sure there's none, it's more likely something specific of your configuration that doesn't play right with the new PDK functions of the sim, which probably no other developer started to use, so you are not seeing with anything else, yet), the first requirement for having even a slightest chance of fixing it (assuming I can fix it from my side, and it's not, instead, something that only LM can fix, which I think it's more likely), is to be able to reproduce it.
Perhaps we might try with a Teamviever session, so I might have a look at your system. PM me to arrange it, if it's ok for you.
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I too have such a problem. Win 10\1607.
I have FSX /P3Dv4.1 and GSX. Everything worked well.
I added KORD and fps = 10.
I spent a lot of time on fixing the problem, but I still have a problem.
In FSX there is no problem. It is only in P3Dv4.1
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I too have such a problem.
Do you have more than one video card, either in SLI or driving different screens ?
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Ok, could you please try running the FSDT Live Update now ? There's a new Addon Manager .DLL for P3D4 to try.
Hello,
Tested with the las update and the problem persist.
Regards,
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Tested with the las update and the problem persist.
Yes, after having a session with one affected user, the way the problem manifested on his system, clearly indicates that a fix from us is not possible, since the problem happens in a DirectX function which requires a parameter which is provided by the sim itself calling a function of the new PDK, and we are doing exactly as suggested by the official documentation.
And, on this user system, which had 2 video cards, each one connected to 3 screens (for a total of 6), it ONLY happened when dragging a gauge over a screen connected to the 2nd video card ONLY. No fps issues at all, even when dragging over a screen connected to the 1st card.
That's why I asked if you have more than one video card, which can be either a SLI configuration OR multiple cards connected to different screen. I'm reported it to LM, and they also asked if you have SLI enabled (or any other case of multiple video cards).
Note that, you might have multiple video cards without realizing it: maybe the one embedded in the mainboard, depending on the configuration, might still affect the sim, even if nothing is connected to it. Maybe disabling it in the BIOS might help.
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I'm reported it to LM, and they also asked if you have SLI enabled (or any other case of multiple video cards).
I don't think I mentioned it before but for my case it was when panels were on monitors on a 2nd video card (not in SLI).
Thanks for your work for digging into this.
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I don't think I mentioned it before but for my case it was when panels were on monitors on a 2nd video card (not in SLI).
Good to hear: another confirmation the issue seems to be related to using a 2nd video card when gauges are placed on a screen connected to it, same as the other user I had a remote session with. LM was suggesting to verify if affected users were using SLI so, possibly, the issues are similar, since it's still a different way of using multiple GPUs.
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...it ONLY happened when dragging a gauge over a screen connected to the 2nd video card ONLY. No fps issues at all, even when dragging over a screen connected to the 1st card.
Yes, the same for me
That's why I asked if you have more than one video card, which can be either a SLI configuration OR multiple cards connected to different screen. I'm reported it to LM, and they also asked if you have SLI enabled (or any other case of multiple video cards).
Not in SLI for me
Note that, you might have multiple video cards without realizing it: maybe the one embedded in the mainboard, depending on the configuration, might still affect the sim, even if nothing is connected to it. Maybe disabling it in the BIOS might help.
My first graphic card is Nvidia GTX 960 and I am using for a second graphis the embedded on CPU 4790K
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I do not use sli. I use Ge forse, for P3D on the first monitor and video for the cpu intel core on the second monitor.
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I do not use sli. I use Ge forse, for P3D on the first monitor and video for the cpu intel core on the second monitor.
Which confirms again what has been observed by other users too. The problem happens ONLY if you have more than one video card. Whether you use SLI, or you use two separate cards connected to separate monitors, doesn't really matter: it's still two video cards.
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I reported earlier, that I was experiencing the drop to 10fps with my setup.
I have 2 video cards, a 1080Ti with 4 monitors (3 for outside view, 1 for instrumentation panel ), and 2 screens connected to the 1050 for 2d panels.
I tried a combination where no gauges were displayed on the 1050 card's screens. Normal FPS were observed. I then moved the SimConnect popup box over to the 1050 card and instantly dropped down to 10fps.
Given that I have had to roll back to a previous version so I don't experience the FPS drop, and if it most likely will require LM to fix (either in 4.4 if there is every such a release, or V5, which is probably even further away), would it be possible to work out if there is a way to enable the current and future versions of GSX to turn off the API call that is triggering this, until such time as LM fixes this bug?
I would really like to purchase and use your GSX 2 expansion, but if using GSX2 is dependent on disconnecting the 2nd video card and instrument screens and/or LM fixing the function call, I'm worried that I might not be able to the current and future releases of GSX & GSX2, for a very long time until such time as LM eventually get around to making a new release.
Regards
David
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would it be possible to work out if there is a way to enable the current and future versions of GSX to turn off the API call that is triggering this, until such time as LM fixes this bug?
This would be the "plan B", assuming both we cannot figure it out how to eventually overcome the problem from our code, or LM fixes it somehow.
Disabling the Render-to-texture call to the PDK, would result in having to renounce to the Jetway number indicators in GSX Level 2, and the information panels and the AI arrival/departure board in KORD V2.
These are two features we are using that call right now but, of course, there might be more in the future.
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To anyone affect using two video cards: could you please try running the FSDT Live Update now, to get an updated Addon Manager .DLL ? We might have found a workaround to the low fps problem, and would like to hear your feedback on it.
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Hello,
Updated GSX and... PROBLEM SOLVED!!!
I can move any undocked window to any monitor connected to the second graphic card and the fps not low.
Thanks for your help and best regards.
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Updated GSX and... PROBLEM SOLVED!!!
Yes, I was quite sure of it.
It's still not a solution I'm 100% happy with, because it's possible that, on some unusual configurations or unusual usage habits that for home cockpit builders or anyone with more than one video card, might still result in Render-To-Texture stuff not being rendered (you can't see any of them right now, because they'll appear with KORD 2 and GSX Level 2), for example if you start the sim with the scenery displayed on the main video card, then for some reason you drag it to another card but, that's maybe some kind of extreme example so, before trying to support something that maybe nobody use, I'll wait for some feedback first.
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glad to report that this works for me too.
many thanks
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It’s solved for me thank you very much, im waiting for gsx level2. Hope it no problem. Thank you again.
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Hi,
Updated, it works for me too. Thnx.
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Updated, and it fixed the issue for me too.
Many thanks!