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Products Support => GSX Support FSX/P3D => Topic started by: Mischka43 on February 04, 2017, 04:01:41 am
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Hi Guys,
seems, the GSX update is somehow terribly wrong?
After installing the update, Addon Manager did not show up in FSX menue.
OK - I tried the whole stuff: installing after deactivating anti virus (did not help), installing as an administrator (did not help), reinstalling all the C++-stuff 2005 and 2013, did not help. And morover, something changed in FSX: loading the flight takes WAY longer and FSX cannot be shut down, it crashes when shut down.
Please help, all the fine airports managed by adddon manager are gone, and GSX is gone too.
Michael
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My sim (P3D 3.3) has the similar issue after the latest GSX update via running GSX full installer.
GSX randomly does not get loaded into the flight, sometimes Addon Manager as well. I can't see them in both menu bar and when I press Ctrl F12. Before the update, no issue at all.
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like me, same problem :/ . i
I come here to check for a new update to resolve, still everybody reporting a problem but team support think the problem is user don't update correctly, but forget we updated many time in the past , but only the last update make a problem. Very sad fsd :/. :-[
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any comments from fsdreamteam?
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any comments from fsdreamteam?
As replied in many other threads, I asked to to contact me in private to arrange a Teamviewer session, because it's the only way I could see what's the problem in your case, since we are still unable to reproduce it in any way.
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any comments from fsdreamteam?
As replied in many other threads, I asked to to contact me in private to arrange a Teamviewer session, because it's the only way I could see what's the problem in your case, since we are still unable to reproduce it in any way.
But why do you think it's a possible problem with the customers installation/set up. The odd one maybe, but we can't all be wrong!
Surely the numbers tell you that there is a fundamental problem with this latest update. We all get it wrong now and again, and I'm sure you would get more sympathy if you just held your hands up and admitted that this update needs further work.
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But why do you think it's a possible problem with the customers installation/set up. The odd one maybe, but we can't all be wrong!
The "all" that are posting here and of course only those that HAVE a problem, otherwise why bother posting ? But we had SEVERAL THOUSANDS of downloads of the GSX update in less than a day, which is why you might have noticed how slower was the installer downloading!
Even if we had 50-100 users reporting issues here (and we don't), it would still be about 1% of how many downloaded the update.
I keep having Teamviewer sessions while I'm posting this, and not in a single one of them the problem was ever CAUSED by GSX or the Addon Manager, it was always something else, FSUIPC in one case (problem known), Ezdok camera in another, the antivirus in another case, the EXE.XML file manually edited with errors in another case and in one case there wasn't even a crash, we installed it, and it just worked.
Only in one single case, the Teamviewer session helped finding an issue with slow loading when Orbx sceneries are installed, and this has lead to an update which is already online, but that's just for speed up the loading times, there was never a problem or a crash.
So, your best option is do what I've been asked to everybody, and contact me in private to arrange a Teamviewer session, so we'll find what's really causing it, in your case.
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Perhaps there are more people than you think with the same problem but are just waiting for a fix rather than repeating what has already been said.
Strange though that this ONE update, which should be just a simple process of downloading and installing is causing issues when previous ones have just worked first time. And once this updated version of GSX is uninstalled FSX loads and runs fine.
But OK, I'll go with it and contact you to arrange a team viewer session.
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Ok, we had a Team Viewer session but its did not help so far, but at least:
- missing msvcr80.dll in FSX Rootfolder (although it is installed by VC ++2005 in a system folder and should be found there by FSX), it was possible to downlaod from here and to put into FSX rootfolder:
http://praxistipps.chip.de/msvcr80-dll-fehlt-was-tun_27434
But this did not help. At least "Dependency Walker" now doens't miss this dll when analysing BGLMANX.DLL
- After that a simconnect.ini analysis was hinting at FSCopilot . so I deinstalled FSInn and FSCopilot.
It did not help.
Coatl.log lokks like this:
connecting to SimConnect...
connected to SimConnect
bglmanx non ready yet, waiting.
Coatl.err like this:
roblem raised by addon <unknown>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "couatl\common\youcontrol.py", line 24, in <lambda>
File "couatl\common\youcontrol.py", line 46, in showContainer
File "couatl\common\youcontrol.py", line 163, in show
File "couatl\GSX\__init__.py", line 196, in perform
File "couatl\GSX\assistanceServices\__init__.py", line 1266, in aircraftDisengaged
File "couatl\GSX\assistanceServices\__init__.py", line 1397, in reset
File "couatl\GSX\assistanceServices\__init__.py", line 127, in restart
File "couatl\common\fsm.py", line 35, in switchToState
File "couatl\common\criticalsection.py", line 12, in __enter__
File "couatl\common\fsm.py", line 61, in switchToState
File "couatl\GSX\assistanceServices\__init__.py", line 1067, in enter
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'playGUI'
{'Airport': 'LGKO', 'Requested assistance services at': 'Gate 3', 'User Pos': (36.80154378960517, 27.089166254495705, 129.152 m, 4.48852 m, 8.958474039387369)}
Any more Ideas?
Thanks,
Michael
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A Mistake: the Coatl.err was build onFeb 13 2016... there is ni newer one in Appdata/Virtuali....
So its unlikely, that this has some value....
Greetings, Michael
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- After that a simconnect.ini analysis was hinting at FSCopilot . so I deinstalled FSInn and FSCopilot.
Yes, we had some reports that these addons, due to the fact they use the first ever version of Simconnect, might cause problems to products using the newest one.
Try this:
- Reboot Windows in Safe Mode.
- Go into your Windows\WinSxS folder and delete the simconnect 10.0.61259.0 folder. Then reinstall the Simconnect.MSI file, this will hopefully restore a broken Simconnect.
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Thanks for the advice!
There are three simconnect folders in WinSXS:
...10.0.61259.0.... containing the simconnect.dll version 10.0.61637.0
but also
...10.0.61242.0....containing the simconnect.dll version 10.0.61355.0
...10.0.60905.0 ...containing simconnect.dll version 10.0.60905.0
Good idea to delete all three of them or just the one u mentioned (the first one)?
Greetings,
Michael
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Good idea to delete all three of them or just the one u mentioned (the first one)?
First try removing only the 10.0.61259.0, and reinstall Simconnect.MSI. If that doesn't work, you might try removing the others.
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Thanks, I will report how it works...
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Ohoh ..that might have been the most catastrophic idea ever for my fsx...
1st ... win7 resisted to remove the folder from Winsxs in safe mode ... it resisted any attempt to get control over this folder... so by "unlocker" I managed to move it into recycle bin...
2nd after removalö simconnect.msi wouldn't install anythuing, possibly because there were to more folders telling it, simconnect is installed already?
3rd removal of the other two folders.
4rth simconnect.msi did run, but not install anything into winsxs!
5th Tried to recyle the three folders, to enable fsx again... but now Win7 is resisting to take them in winsxs again.
Will try a repair install of fsx and acc ... and hope that this did not rui my fsx installation!
Greetings,
Michael
PS: By the way t is starting to be really annoying, that addon manager is soooo comnplicated - and don't blame others, I never had so much problems with any addon. It might be right, that Addonmanager is done "professional" in terms of programming, but it is much to complicated for the mess of windows and FSX. Addon Manager seems to be "too big" in terms of what You want it to do.... ?
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OK...Adrenalin is going down again, i managed to replace the three folders in WINSXS with some workaorunds (ownership and so on).... FSX ist still alive, but still without Addon Manager, GSX and without alls the Airports managed by Addon Manager.
By the way: i did a FSX ACC Repair Install yesterday with no success
Greetings, Michael
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PS: By the way t is starting to be really annoying, that addon manager is soooo comnplicated - and don't blame others, I never had so much problems with any addon.
The Addon Manager has only helped you finding a problem you always had, which would have been surfaced anyway, sooner or later.
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That is my different philosophy - a problem is not a problem, as long everything is working ;-)
Even IF somethin is not perfectly programmed (like FSX oder Win7)... for me it is not the esthetics of flawless code, but the use in everyday life ;-)
But if You tell me WHAT the problem is now, i would see the usefulness of professional programing perfection.
You are right, that the thing is hell complicated because of the messy programming in Win7 and FSX (that is why i would like to keep addons more simple, but working). Its consuming so muich of Your (and our - the users -) time to make it run again.
By the way... dependency walker when analysing simconnect.dll says MSVCR80.DLL is missing, showing a path in Winsxs, but the file IS actually there. It has 618KB, but the MSVCR80.DLL I dowloaded yesterday and put into FSX root folder (and in System32 today) has 612 KB only.
I tried to replaxe the version in Winsxs by the downloaded one, dependency walker still says it is missing. Does it need reboot?
And is this any hint to the "problem that anyway ould have come along"?
Thanks and Greetings,
Michael
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By the way... dependency walker when analysing simconnect.dll says MSVCR80.DLL is missing, showing a path in Winsxs, but the file IS actually there. It has 618KB, but the MSVCR80.DLL I dowloaded yesterday and put into FSX root folder (and in System32 today) has 612 KB only.
You CANNOT just place that file there, and expect it would work! If it was that easy, I would have said that. This would have been possible if that .DLL wasn't Side-by-side, but in that case, it won't be possible for multiple addons to load different versions of it, so the one placing the right .DLL would "win" against the others.
A Side-by-side .DLL is way more complex, it has multiple entries in the registry, there's an XML file that indicates it's version, there's a policy file indicating what to do if you have a program compiled with an old version if it can use the newest one, etc.
It's a totally convoluted system, which is so complex, that when something goes wrong with it, sometimes it might just be easier to reinstall Windows than trying to fix. I'm trying to find you alternative solutions that won't involve reinstalling Windows, but surely you should NEVER try to manually place an MSVCR80.DLL somewhere, and expect it to work, if only because it's not the only file that belongs to the 2005 runtimes (there's also MSCVP80.DLL and MSVCM80.DLL), but they are not "normal" .DLL, they work together with the registry, and their XML and policy files in the WinSxS folder.
Basically, you either fix it using installers or repair options in the installers, or you don't.
Sometimes, you can fix it by removing every instance of the 2005 runtimes from the control panel, then reinstall all them. Fact their installer is always called VCREDIST_X86.EXE doesn't help, because it's easy to confuse which one is which.
But Dependx.exe is your friend: as long is telling you that Simconnect cannot be loaded because MSVCR80.DLL cannot be loaded, you can be SURE your problem is related to the VC++ 2005 runtime libraries, so you can stop chasing ghosts and concentrate only on that issue, because it cannot be anything else.
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OK, happy to have found the problem, thanks! Chasing ghosts is so frustrating ;-)
Deinstalling the 2005 runtimes was in a lot of Your advices and I tried before posting the problem, but there was one ugly thing: some of the 2005 c++ things wanted a source file file to deintsall, suggesting it in a TEMP Folder or looking for a non existing msi...wellknown problem, but i did not find a solution .... so it did not deinstall. Ho to deinstall those?
Maybe I should have taken those resistance aigainst deinstallition more serious? There are 5 (!)) versions of VC++ 2005 (x86 and x64) which resist deinstallation.
Moreover - are there English and German versions of that installed? At leats there is an option to chose among ENglish or German, when downloading the installers....
And the more I read about VC++2005, the more it looks like a total desaster from Microsoft. Why is Addon Manager relying/ depending on those bad files?
And by the way - thanks for not suggesting to reinstall WIn7 and /or FSX!
Greetings,
Michael
Edit: I managed to get rid of the old VC++2005 installs, which was hard work: only way functioning was this advice from a microsoft forum, it might help other simmers frustrated by the mess with VC++2005:
"To all fellow sufferers of this horrible C++ install plague, here is what worked for me:
Download uninstall http://download.cnet.com/Revo-Uninstaller/3000-2096_4-10687648.html
Find the C++2005 application in REVO and click uninstall but select the bubble with ADVANCED MODE scan
After it runs advanced mode scan, click checkbox for "select all" and DELETE all the entries which deletes all registry entries. It looks like pages of data being erased and it seemed scary but I knew I could download the file and install if I needed it (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3387
I could see in the control panel (add or remove programs) that the cursed C++2005 was finally gone.
I discovered the software I was using (Viacad PRO V8 Beta) was installing the C++ 2005 and getting some conflict with a previous C++2005 install. I'd tried the suggestions in 20 threads but could not uninstall the 2005 previously installed version (continous loop of asking for disk/location of vcredist.msi). Once REVO uninstalled it, I uninstalled the ViaCad pro & re-installed it. It worked fine.
I checked the control panel (add or remove programs) and could see the C++2005 was now installed by the program and all worked well. It just was a matter of getting rid of the stubborn prior version (which would not leave via control panel, sxstrace, & 10 other methods).
If your newly installed program is not installing the C++2005 with its installation, then just download the right C++2005 version from microsoft link above."
From here:
https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/54746791-4af9-4bf6-86f4-9565d3850730/manual-uninstall-of-visual-c-2005-redistributable-version-805072742?forum=vcgeneral
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Yeah! After three days of working hard on the problem THAT did the job: brutal removing the resistant VC++2005 (which was nasty) and reinstalling VC++2005, reinstallig GSX ... voila!
I hope, this piece of research can be usefull for others to get rid of the missing of addon manager!
Thanks for useful hints!
Michael
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Yeah! After three days of working hard on the problem THAT did the job: brutal removing the resistant VC++2005 (which was nasty) and reinstalling VC++2005, reinstallig GSX ... voila!
I was sure you would eventually fix it. The main issue is, is not very easy to uninstall/reinstall the VC++ 2005 libraries but in fact, is of the suggested course of actions we always indicate when there's a missing menu problem.
We tried to minimize the chance of this issues, by switching to the VC++ 2013 libraries, that are not Side-by-side, so they are easier to manager, and there's only one version of them installed at any time but, unfortunately, it's Simconnect itself which is still depending on them, and there's just nothing we can do, other than stop supporting FSX, and switch to P3D.