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Products Support => Honolulu FSX/P3D => Topic started by: anappy on March 17, 2010, 02:28:55 am
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I might be wrong on this but doesnt the RW honolulu use all the runways at a time for takeoff and arrivals? I may be wrong though can anyone verify this? If yes then can FSDT replicate this. I have landed and taken off only on the 4's and the 8's ever and I only tokeoff rwy 8L one and landed there once.
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You are correct about the multiple runway usage at PHNL. On two occasions earlier this month I arrived on RWY 8L and departed on RWY 8R by way of Boeing 777 and 767-400 aircraft. There may be a few different techniques available to getting multiple runways to work in FSX. I'm not exactly sure of the best way to do this. In the past I have made multiple airport files with only select runways available. Some airports that I have worked with do not comply with closed runway options nor the weight limit options.
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You are correct about the multiple runway usage at PHNL. On two occasions earlier this month I arrived on RWY 8L and departed on RWY 8R by way of Boeing 777 and 767-400 aircraft. There may be a few different techniques available to getting multiple runways to work in FSX. I'm not exactly sure of the best way to do this. In the past I have made multiple airport files with only select runways available. Some airports that I have worked with do not comply with closed runway options nor the weight limit options.
well I just bought FSDT LAS(great work by the way) and they use have all the rwys working there
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I found an AFCAD for this but will that mean the buildings go away again?
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There's no need to change any file: the AFCAD supplied with PHNL supports multiple runways already.
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There's no need to change any file: the AFCAD supplied with PHNL supports multiple runways already.
Yes, but everytime I have flown there never once have I taken off 4R and seen a/c landing on the 8's or vice versa.
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Yes, but everytime I have flown there never once have I taken off 4R and seen a/c landing on the 8's or vice versa.
Since FSX always gives precedence to runways with an ILS approach, you will not see landings on 8R or 26's. The only other runway that might be active together with 4R would be 8L.
But, you should really use the default AFCAD that comes with the current version. Because, that version doesn't have any approaches inside, it uses the default ones. But, if you modify the file, and use an AFCAD editor that sets the "DeleteAllApproaches=true" parameter when saving the AFCAD back, you will LOSE all the Approaches, because that command will make the default ones to be ignored, and with no approaches in the PHNL AFCAD, there will be an approaches at all so, ATC will just use the first available runway in the list, which is 4R.
You can easily check if your approaches are correct using the default GPS. If they are there, it means everything's fine.
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Ive only been instructed to land at 4R as well.
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Ive only been instructed to land at 4R as well.
The active runway is selected depending how much tailwind component you have, but is also related to other factors, like airplane weight, runway position, approach direction, etc.
Since 4R and 8L are not so different in heading, a stronger wind might be necessary to force the selection to the other one.
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I have taken off the 8's a couple times. But my question was will installing another AFCAD make the buildings disappear?
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I have taken off the 8's a couple times. But my question was will installing another AFCAD make the buildings disappear?
The buildings are not controlled by the AFCAD. But, of course, as already explained, if you install another AFCAD, it must be made for our PHNL and not obviously for the default one or for another scenery, otherwise you'll see BOTH buildings.
And, as also already explained, if you just want to edit our own AFCAD, you need to be sure the editor you use doesn't set the "DeleteAllApproaches=true" parameter when it saves the file back, otherwise you'll lose all approaches, since the AFCAD we provide doesn't contain any approaches, and relies on the default ones, which will be ignored if that parameter is set to True. But Approaches don't have any effect on buildings.
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Ok thanks. I just won't do anything I guess. To bad would love to see all the runways in use
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I've only been able to takeoff from runway 8R, never allowed to "select alternative runway" other than 8L
Even if winds are favorable for either runway 8 and 4.
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I've only been able to takeoff from runway 8R, never allowed to "select alternative runway" other than 8L.
Since there are other users in this thread that are saying they are always assigned to the 4s, assuming you are all using the AFCAD that comes with the scenery, it's clear that it supports multiple runways.
If you are not allowed to request the other runways manually from the ATC, can be caused if you modifed the AFCAD yourself and used an AFCAD editor that sets the "DeleteAllApproaches=true" parameter when saving the AFCAD back, you will LOSE all the Approaches.
Even if winds are favorable for either runway 8 and 4.
As already explained, in order for a runway to be discarded, it's not enough for winds to be just favorable to the other one, they need to be favorable with a enough margin to offset the overall runway assignment score.
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I haven't edited the afcad file but just to be sure I reinstalled. I understand how FS assigns runways, but in every other airport including your other sceneries, I can request runways on the ground or in the air.
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Just made a test: without any wind, it assigns 4R by default, with the chance to select 4L as an alternative. With a 24 kts wind from 100, it assigns 8R by default, with the chance to select 8L.
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Ok, I think I've found what it was, a typo in the heading in one of the fake crosswind runways must have crept in (strange, because the FS9 version was fine)
Try the attached updated AFCAD:
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Thanks for fixing that.... So if I read what you just wrote correctly in the other thread, about "DeleteAllApproaches="False, if I add any parking codes to the afcad file, the approaches are then lost? Is there any way to get around that? There are a lot of parking codes missing, especially for cargo traffic, in PHNL.
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about "DeleteAllApproaches="False, if I add any parking codes to the afcad file, the approaches are then lost?
I've noted this behaviour with ADE: if you open a .BGL that had DeleteAllApproaches set to False, and save it back, even without doing anything, it gets saved with that parameter set back to True. There's a page in ADE to set those parameters, but I always seen it as locked/greyed out. Not sure if it was made on purpose, it's a bug, or it has been fixed/changed in recent releases, though.
there any way to get around that? There are a lot of parking codes missing, especially for cargo traffic, in PHNL.
Yes, the fix is very easy: activate the option in ADE to save the XML source code of the airport, then edit the saved XML and fix the DeleteAllApproaches manually, then compile the XML in BGL, using the MS bglcomp.
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Hi,
I grew up in Hawaii and lived there from 1970 to 1995. I also learned to fly in Hawaii and did my PPL training from PHNL in 1992-1993. Here is what I remember about PHNL runway usage (it could well be different now, but I doubt it):
1) Winds are from the east 80% or more of the year (Trade Winds).
2) Due to prevailing winds 8L is used for landing and inter-island flight departures (single-isle and smaller aircraft). 8R is used for departures only - usually, the heavies depart from 8R (reef runway)
3) SOME airliners land on 4R, on occasion, but NEVER takeoff from 4R. The 4s are there for GA and smaller aircraft most of the time.
4) When the wind is from the west (Kona winds/Kona weather - hot, sticky and humid), or when seabreezes kick in, the 26s ARE used. 26L has an LDA approach and is used to land all airliners. 26R will be used for takeoffs mostly, and perhaps landing some GA aircraft. Maybe, sometimes, the 22s are used to land light aircraft.
Therefore, in summary, during most of the year, PHNL runway ops are as follows:
8L - landing and interisland takeoffs
8R - International, heavy, and mainland-bound takeoffs
4R - Occasional landing
4L - GA use only
26L - LDA approach on non-tradewind days.
26R - takeoffs on non-tradewind days.
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edit: nevermind, figured out myself with your instructions how to get the approaches back. Thanks!!
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Therefore, in summary, during most of the year, PHNL runway ops are as follows:
8L - landing and interisland takeoffs
8R - International, heavy, and mainland-bound takeoffs
4R - Occasional landing
4L - GA use only
26L - LDA approach on non-tradewind days.
26R - takeoffs on non-tradewind days.
One thing to add...late at night (Military/cargo ops) they prefer to have us land on 4R, I assume for noise abatement. I also noticed during RWY 26 ops that the Hawaiian inter-island flights sidestep off the LDA 26L approach to 26R.
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Hi virtuali
I have just recently bought Honolulu for FSX and it sits on top of all other scenery.
I'm also experiencing 4R being the sole runway in use and after about 10 different flights I am always asked to take off or land on 4R. All approaching traffic is vectored onto 4R too so I'm seeing significant go arounds. I hear what you say about the approaches being the deafult approaches but I'm certainly not experiencing multiple runways being in use for takeoffs and landings.
I don't know how to tinker or change AFCADs so I am only reporting on what the FSDT installation has done at Honolulu.
In your post above you attach a new AFCAD to fix the problem (AP_PHNL.BGL). Having just bought Honolulu FSX in April 2011 should I try the AFCAD in your message above?
I can't find a file of that name so not sure where I would place the above AFCAD file and whether it would replace the existing one? What would my current AFCAD file be called?
Thanks for your help and thanks for a great Honolulu :)
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This thread is 1 year old, the scenery has been updated a couple of times, and that AFCAD is not needed. I'll have a look at the current AFCAD, to see if that bug crept in again.
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Interesting. I thought I was going crazy. I've had PHNL for over a year, and it was working fine with multiple runways. I just recently reinstalled to a new system I built, and now I'm seeing the same thing... 4R being the only available for landing or departing. I downloaded the latest version of PHNL from FSDreamteam, so I didn't use the installer and updates from before. Perhaps this updated AFCAD is needed, although I would think it's already included in the latest build. Not sure.
I forgot about this updated AFCAD, so to fix it for now, I edited the existing AFCAD with AFX, and forced the traffic onto 8L and 8R. I would rather get it back to the multiple runways working.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
John
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Please, DO NOT use this file with the current version of the scenery, because it will make the ground flickering again. As I've said in my previous message, we'll have a look at the new AFCAD to check for the runways.
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I've checked the file supplied with the current version of the scenery, and it's all fine. Be sure you have only one AFCAD in your fsdreamteam\PHNL\scenery folder, named AFX_PHNL.BGL.
The previous version was named AP_PHNL.BGL, the update installer removes it and replace it with the new one but, if you managed files manually, it easy to get confused. I've replaced the attached file in the forum with the current version, it's basically the same of the update installer, but might work slightly better (you shouldn't see the fake runways listed anymore)
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Aloha:
I am not trying to beat a dead horse, but when I go to airports (phnl) there are only two runways listed, where are the others. I also noticed a number of gates are missing. Do you have another file?
Mahalo
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I am not trying to beat a dead horse, but when I go to airports (phnl) there are only two runways listed
Doesn't happen here, I can see all the runways in the Go to Airports menu, and if I ask ATC to takeoff, I'm given 8L by default (I had no wind), and I ask from the ATC menu to be assigned to 8R, 4L and 4R.
As I've said in my previous message, be sure you are using the AFCAD posted here, and be sure you don't have another AFCAD in the PHNL folder (named AP_PHNL.BGL) and be sure you don't have another AFCAD coming from another product in any of the FSX folders.
Use the free FSX Airport Scanner to find AFCAD duplicates.
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Thanks virtuali
That new file works for me - takeoffs and landings are now on separate runways!
Good job!
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Thanks virtuali
That new file works for me - takeoffs and landings are now on separate runways!
Good job!
So far, it looks better for me as well, but I need to test more.
Thanks,
John
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8L - Majority of aircraft land here, smaller aircraft (dash8, Crj200,717, SOMETIMES 757,etc) takeoff here and opposite end of RWY if wind changes
8R - NOT A LANDING RUNWAY. Used for takeoffs (777, 767, 747, , C-5, C-17, F-22, etc) and opposite end of RWY if wind changes
4R - Landing (777, 767, 717, 737, C-17, etc)
4L - used for general aviation takeoffs (cessnas, SOMETIMES dash 8, etc)