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Products Support => Las Vegas FSX/P3D => Topic started by: dracer33 on January 19, 2012, 05:17:12 am
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Just wondering if KLAS is going to be updated for the new terminal soon to open http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/mccarran-international-airport-terminal-3-and-rela/
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Looks Great!
I would think that they will upgrade MccARRAN KLAS to include this new terminal
But knowing how their updating Kennedy KJFK it wont be for a while.
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Just wondering if KLAS is going to be updated for the new terminal soon to open http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/mccarran-international-airport-terminal-3-and-rela/
Looks good so far I wonder if there gonna make the opening in June 27, 2012 not that many photos yet of the terminal which is not good for reference and recreating it in 3d, my guess would be after all the updates are done and maybe fsdt can maybe do it next year? I'm willing to pay for the extra work if possible. it seems all these airports are getting new construction.
http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/jun/16/when-new-terminal-opens-mccarran-old-one-will-come
http://photos.8newsnow.com/displayimage.php?album=341&pos=1
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Why couldn't Klas new terminal be incorporated into an update like they did in Zurich?
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Why couldn't Klas new terminal be incorporated into an update like they did in Zurich?
We haven't said anything about updating KLAS, and how it will be eventually handled or made, and we won't even start looking into the issue until we have done the JFK update, which will start not before we'll released CYVR, which means that we won't deal with KLAS before the 4th quarter 2012. At that point, we'll see how the airport status will be, and decide in what form doing an eventual update.
That's why it's not very useful discussing/speculating about it today.
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I live in Vegas and saw the new terminal almost done yesterday as I drove by, so just though about inquiring about it. Thanks for the info
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Terminal 2 will be demolished it says once the New Terminals opens.. T-2 will be torn down.. Looking forward to the update of the new terminal in the future..
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Hey guys,
I work at Las Vegas' McCarran International Airport. Out here the new terminal is pretty big news at the Airport and I got the chance to pull out my phone and snap some pictures without anyone noticing. (Or, caring, rather.) :p
Anyways, I was at T3 a while ago and decided to take some pictures because I know we have some pilots here that fly in and out of Vegas, and I figured they'd love to see what it's all about. Sorry about the quality, took it with a cell phone. The terminal itself is pretty nifty. It's 2 levels, Zero Level and Floor 2. (Floor 1 is the entrance shown in the picture below, which has elevators on either side leading to floors 2 and 0. Nothing else makes up floor 1.) Zero Level will make up Baggage Claim and Customs, Floor 2 will make up the International and Domestic Gates (1 through 15, skipping Gate 13 all together, to make 14 total gates).
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS7.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS7.png)
Upstairs at Level 1 (I apologize for the blurry picture. I was walking when I took this one, so fail on my part) you can see the LONG corridor of the Terminal. All in all it's a giant, massive walkway from E1 to E15 running in a straight line. It's probably a good 2500 feet, but don't quote me.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LASbad.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LASbad.png)
The International Section has some sweet Asian sit-down restaurants being built. I didn't take any more pictures of upstairs because the TSA screening managers were looking at me funny and I didn't want to get jumped. So instead I went out to the ramp. Here's a shot of Obama's Jet sitting in the Cargo area off the way. He stayed only for 95 minutes.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS1.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS1.png)
D Gates, where I (normally) work is right across from T3. Most the airlines from D will be moving to T3, leaving most the Bell (Nickname of one of the 4 arms of the D Gates) empty.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS2.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS2.png)
One of the new spiffy Gates. Noticed the sign at the top is scratched out. (I think it used to say 58) It'll soon say E4.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS3.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS3.png)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/las4.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/las4.png)
Interesting Fact here: Unlike the A, B, C, and D Gates (and T2) each gate at T3 (all 14 of them) can handle a 747-400. (Rumors are true!) - Now only E1 and E15 can handle an A380 (At least, they are the only two gates with the ''A380 Certified!" sticker on them.) but since few A380 operators fly to Vegas we won't worry about it.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/las6.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/las6.png)
FAA tower under construction in this view. Now, T3 is supposed to open and have its first official flight on June 27th - Anyone wanna hold bets on if they'll finish the Tower before then? ;)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS5.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS5.png)
That pretty much ends the tour. I made it back to the parking garage above the AB Concourse in time to see Obama take off but I couldn't grab a shot in time. Instead, I'll leave you with a nice shot from the roof - I think it's a better view than the ramp, eh? [Yes guys, this picture is of Terminal 2. Its last flight is June 28th, after that they're going to blow it up!]
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS8.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS8.png)
Hope you enjoyed, now back to work for me. :(
If you guys at FSDT ever want any shots from the ramp area, just e-mail me.
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FAA tower under construction in this view. Now, T3 is supposed to open and have its first official flight on June 27th - Anyone wanna hold bets on if they'll finish the Tower before then? ;)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS5.png (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/ssj14vegetajr/LAS5.png)
I wish I would have seen this earlier since I am in "the know", I would have taken that bet. We wont be in the new building until 2015.
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If an update for KLAS is completed due to the changes at the airport, I would love to see DX10 Support in an upgraded project. With the new DX10 fixes, accomplished by many users in our hobby (fixes are on AVSIM), the problems with flashing runways, anti aliasing, stuttering and others issues are fixed, so the DX10 crowd has really grown in FSX and the sim has much improved frame rate in DX10 for most users. I would gladly pay for an upgrade. Thank you for considering this.
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I'm deliberately posting here since this is still a valid request... I'd still like to see LAS T3 in FDDT's FSX scenery. Please re-evaluate if it can be done in the near future.
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I'd still like to see LAS T3 in FDDT's FSX scenery. Please re-evaluate if it can be done in the near future.
I don't see were we said it wouldn't be done. My last message said we would look into it after the JFK update will be released. The JFK update is what we are working on right now. As explained other times in the forum, we are updating existing sceneries in chronological order, which is why the first update was Zurich, then O'Hare, then JFK. KLAS will be the next candidate for an update, after JFK.
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Ah, I must have missed that bit... thanks for clarifying! It's good news after all.
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The good news about LAS is that... JFK v2 was released, so we are one step closer to KLAS T3!
;D
FSDT, keep up the good work!
Thanks and Cheers
Torsten
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I'm with FlyingOger. I currently own all of FSDT's Hawaiian airports + Geneva, and I thought that I would wait to buy the Las Vegas scenery once the T3 update came out. Been through the new terminal at least twice already, so can't wait to see it in FSX at my home airport :)
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The good news about LAS is that... JFK v2 was released, so we are one step closer to KLAS T3!
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FSDT, keep up the good work!
Thanks and Cheers
Torsten
And hopefully, an update to the highspeeds coming off of 7R/25L. the 90 degree turnoff at A3 has been gone since the before the scenery came out. It just didn't make it to the scenery in time for its release.
Also, hopefully, updates to the taxiway signs as well. Specifically, ones at the intersection of A2, B, R, and C that say "ALL AIRCRAFT MONITOR TOWER AT THIS POINT".
And finally, hopefully, the new scenery does *not* include the Walmart next to the 25s on Eastern and Patrick. That place is a dump. :P
BL.
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Just bought KLAS FSDT after using the demo and was sad to see the new terminal was not included . I will definitely be keeping my eyes open for the huge changes that this airport needs.
(Price should be reduced for a airport that is far out of date)
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I am still hoping this is either being worked on or strongly considered. The significant changes in the airport, combined with the new implementations of scenery techniques and development done by FSDT since KLAS's original release, are all very noteworthy reasons for a V2. There is no doubt significant costs would be involved in the development to make it P3D/FSX compatible, and charging for such an upgrade would be the right thing to do. My credit card is ready. Is yours? ;D
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I am still hoping this is either being worked on or strongly considered
It's not being worked on at this time (we are very busy finishing KIAH and another very large unannounced airport), but it is strongly considered for the next scenery being revamped, like we did for JFK.
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I see you guys are a bunch of noobs. KLAS is not in the forecast before KIAH. Why drop prices when people are still buying? If you don't like the missing additions you can go make your own. This airport came out before all that(changes). Also, if you purchased after the demo...you knew what you were buying. You could have just waited till a new version was ready. Flightbeam is getting ready to drop KDEN and there are a HELL of a lot more additions that airport will not have until real life construction is completed....but, people will still be buying. ::) :P
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I see you guys are a bunch of noobs. KLAS is not in the forecast before KIAH. Why drop prices when people are still buying? If you don't like the missing additions you can go make your own. This airport came out before all that(changes). Also, if you purchased after the demo...you knew what you were buying. You could have just waited till a new version was ready. Flightbeam is getting ready to drop KDEN and there are a HELL of a lot more additions that airport will not have until real life construction is completed....but, people will still be buying. ::) :P
First off, 6 month old thread revival.
Second, we knew back then when Umberto said that there wasn't going to be any work done on it prior to KIAH.
Third, the highspeed changes off of 25L were there BEFORE FSDT released KLAS. I mentioned that when the first version of the scenery was released. That thread is still here. T3, I'll give you, but the highspeeds were there before.
Fourth, do you expect that we will have to repurchase the scenery when it is updated? If so, what's your justification for that expectation?
BL.
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Fourth, do you expect that we will have to repurchase the scenery when it is updated? If so, what's your justification for that expectation?
Nobody said anything about "repurchasing".
I thought that, by saying "scenery being revamped, like we did for JFK" I thought it would be understood that upgrade conditions would be similar. KLAS has been released in 2009, if we'll released V2 in 2014, it's the same 5 years time span for a paid upgrade (at a very reduced price) than the JFK V2 upgrade.
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I see you guys are a bunch of noobs. KLAS is not in the forecast before KIAH. Why drop prices when people are still buying? If you don't like the missing additions you can go make your own. This airport came out before all that(changes). Also, if you purchased after the demo...you knew what you were buying. You could have just waited till a new version was ready. Flightbeam is getting ready to drop KDEN and there are a HELL of a lot more additions that airport will not have until real life construction is completed....but, people will still be buying. ::) :P
First off, 6 month old thread revival.
Second, we knew back then when Umberto said that there wasn't going to be any work done on it prior to KIAH.
Third, the highspeed changes off of 25L were there BEFORE FSDT released KLAS. I mentioned that when the first version of the scenery was released. That thread is still here. T3, I'll give you, but the highspeeds were there before.
Fourth, do you expect that we will have to repurchase the scenery when it is updated? If so, what's your justification for that expectation?
BL.
I don't mind having to "repay"....Do I want to..."no". However if we are "subject" to repaying. You know you will be buying it. You wallet will be open just like everyone else. :)
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Well an ORD update was free (granted the runways have changed again), so one can always hope.
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Well an ORD update was free (granted the runways have changed again), so one can always hope.
Even if it was "just" the runways, it was a significant upgrade which took quite a bit of work.
The one that will be likely made for KLAS would entirely remade the ground to have full FSX native code (and DX10/11 compatibility with a projected 30% fps increase, like in JFK V2) IN ADDITION of having updated runways and a whole new Terminal IN ADDITION to that.
As I've said, it will be about 5 years after the original KLAS release, for how much time we are supposed to keep a product updated for free ?
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As I've said, it will be about 5 years after the original KLAS release, for how much time we are supposed to keep a product updated for free ?
Certainly a decision your team will have to make. All I can do is formulate my own opinion based on other software developers inside and outside of the sim world.
Kind regards.
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All I can do is formulate my own opinion based on other software developers inside and outside of the sim world.
If we followed what other developers inside and outside the sim world, in 5 years we should have released many paid updates. Or, should I say "DLC" ? Is a DLC a more friendly name for a paid update ? Not even mentioning the 0-day DLC. Which is something it was developed right from the start together with the game, but not included in the standard release, to be sold separately.
Lots of developers base their entire business models to following the ever changing outside world modeled in their simulation. Obvious example, yearly paid updates ( no, not even heavily updates, you must repurchase at FULL price ) to sports games, mostly to keep up with updated player rosters.
Is there another flight sim developer that has released a major update (not just a maintenance patch) to a product released 5 years before, for FREE ?
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Is there another flight sim developer that has released a major update (not just a maintenance patch) to a product released 5 years before, for FREE ?
Yes, certainly there are some (I even develop for one). I won't go and start naming other companies and examples here on FSDT's forums though, that is disrespectful to you.
Kind regards.
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Yes, certainly there are some (I even develop for one). I won't go and start naming other companies and examples here on FSDT's forums though, that is disrespectful to you.
Since I've explicitly asked for it, it won't be obviously considered "disrespectful". And of course, it would make sense saying there *are* other companies in the flight sim world that offers free major upgrades after 5 years, if the upgrade is REALLY a major one so, in this case, we are discussing about:
- Redoing the ENTIRE ground from scratch, removing every trace of FS8/9 legacy code, in order to get full DX10/DX11 compatibility. This has the side effect that even the runway lights would have to be custom modeled from scratch, because that method doesn't work with plain AFCAD runways.
Due to how this works, and the fact that we are basically the only FS developers that HAVE 100% FSX native code *including* ground AND for very large airports (not bush airfields), I'd say any comparison ends up here, because another developer wouldn't even have to do this, since they don't have this feature to begin with.
I repeat that this is a REAL 100% native FSX code, that DOES NOT require the DX10 fixer and it comes with the performance improvement associated to the complete removal of the old FS8 code ( 30% fps gain at JFK, in the very problematic NY area, it might be even better at KLAS ).
Something that still requires the DX10 fixer does NOT qualify to be comparable to this, and certainly won't require such a massive redoing so yes, we would offer it for free, and we DID IT, with the O'Hare and Zurich updates (Zurich had 2 major free updates)
We did all of this for JFK V2, instead, which is why JFK V2 is not free, although it's heavily discounted as an upgrade.
- A new terminal, which involves redoing all the taxiway and parking layout around it so, the KLAS update might be potentially more involved than the JFK update, but it won't cost more.
So, to refine my previous question: can you name a developer that offers a FULL, major upgrade with full DX10/11 compatibility in true 100% native code without requiring the (not free) DX10 fixer (and that wouldn't stop the performance loss of the still present FS8 code), 5 YEARS after release, FOR FREE ?
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Sounds like you answered your own question there, so I won't respond to it any further. With your refined-scope question and statement you're "basically the only FS developers", I'll let your post above be the last word. This is now drifting very off topic, getting into developmental processes and business philosophies, rather than LAS's new terminal. Nor do I feel like going back and forth in a debate based on my own paying-customer opinion, which was not my intent anyway.
I look forward to a LAS update that includes the recent airport layout and structural changes as well as the IAH product.
Kind regards.
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With your refined-scope question and statement you're "basically the only FS developers"
Not "the only FS developers", but the only ones that will have to put to much effort in what WE considered to be an upgrade worthy enough of an update price, due to how we do things.
Maybe we are wrong, maybe it would be better just not to care about performances and future-proof so much, and simply tell users "just use the DX10 fixer". Maybe it would be easier if we kept doing things the easy way, so we won't have to work so hard when updating, so we could offer it for free, since most user won't really know the difference anyway, and would just upgrade (spending way more), by upgrading their hardware, not really getting so much bang for their buck because, incidentally, the scenery that benefits more from an hardware upgrade (GPU, most likely) is precisely the one that doesn't contain legacy code.
I never trying to say we are any better than anyone else just that, when we offered what we considered mid/minor upgrades, still containing old code and not revamping the foundations from scratch, we DID offered them for free, for Zurich (twice) and KORD. The free Zurich update HAD a new Terminal. The issue is, a new terminal is something that everybody understands, and it "looks" like a major upgrade, but it's not nearly as long or complex as workload like redoing the ground entirely, which is why nobody else is doing it, surely not as a free patch.
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With your refined-scope question and statement you're "basically the only FS developers"
Not "the only FS developers", but the only ones that will have to put to much effort in what WE considered to be an upgrade worthy enough of an update price, due to how we do things.
Maybe we are wrong, maybe it would be better just not to care about performances and future-proof so much, and simply tell users "just use the DX10 fixer". Maybe it would be easier if we kept doing things the easy way, so we won't have to work so hard when updating, so we could offer it for free, since most user won't really know the difference anyway, and would just upgrade (spending way more), by upgrading their hardware.
I never trying to say we are any better than anyone else just that, when we offered what we considered mid/minor upgrades, still containing old code and not revamping the foundations from scratch, we DID offered them for free, for Zurich (twice) and KORD. The free Zurich update HAD a new Terminal. The issue is, a new terminal is something that everybody understands, and it "looks" like a major upgrade, but it's not nearly as long or complex as workload like redoing the ground entirely, which is why nobody else is doing it, surely not as a free patch.
OK, thanks.
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It's not being worked on at this time (we are very busy finishing KIAH and another very large unannounced airport), but it is strongly considered for the next scenery being revamped, like we did for JFK.
Umberto, can you please give us some hint as to the unannounced airport? I know I would give you guys $100 for KATL. Come on old boy, give us a hint!
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It's not being worked on at this time (we are very busy finishing KIAH and another very large unannounced airport), but it is strongly considered for the next scenery being revamped, like we did for JFK.
Umberto, can you please give us some hint as to the unannounced airport? I know I would give you guys $100 for KATL. Come on old boy, give us a hint!
Well I am not giving anyone $100 for a scenery.....for that much I need to damn near smell the jet fuel with the wind blowing in my face to pay that much. Im talking omin-dementional type shit!!! :)
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It's not being worked on at this time (we are very busy finishing KIAH and another very large unannounced airport), but it is strongly considered for the next scenery being revamped, like we did for JFK.
Umberto, can you please give us some hint as to the unannounced airport? I know I would give you guys $100 for KATL. Come on old boy, give us a hint!
Well I am not giving anyone $100 for a scenery.....for that much I need to damn near smell the jet fuel with the wind blowing in my face to pay that much. Im talking omin-dementional type shit!!! :)
Umberto, you should release both of them right away...before I run out of money :) ;D
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Now that Houston is complete, what else are you guys planning? Is an update for KLAS with Terminal 3 coming up next? Thanks :)
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You must have missed the poll...
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Oh, sorry about that :) I just voted. But based on the number of votes, it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon :(
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Oh, sorry about that :) I just voted. But based on the number of votes, it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon :(
You voted but did you read what he said in the very first post of the poll?
About KLAS V2 Upgrade, this will be an upgrade similar to the JFK V2 upgrade, a payware update with a moderate price (KLAS has been released in 2009, that's 5 years ago). We WILL do this update in any case, sooner or later, regardless of the poll results.
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Yes. The update’s probably going to take a while, so I went ahead and bought it. A very nice airport!
- fsx100
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Hello Virtuali
I'm sure your tired of this thread but, any news on an upgraded Las Vegas?
Matthew
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I'm sure your tired of this thread but, any news on an upgraded Las Vegas?
There aren't any news. We'll surely post news when we'll have them. The update development time is entirely unrelated by the frequency of posts asking for news. We haven't started yet, anyway, so it's nothing that will come in the next weeks. Most likely sometime in 2015.
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Cool, Thanks. :)
Matthew