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SpazSinbad:
'DigitAL' said: "It's a moving boat.  I've come across several opinions about using the round down as a visual marker, but equally about flying to .1nm past abeam to start the turn to final.  If I fly .1nm it puts me at the 28-29sec time in groove, if I use the round down it puts me around 15-16sec time in groove (yeah i used a stopwatch to time it...lol) but I don't get a grade with vLSO.  Maybe I'm turning too steep using the round down and not steep enough using the .1nm method?"

Advice you have been given probably assumes some given conditions (in real world?). It is possible to adjust base turn to another position if your groove length proves to be too long in the circumstances (or your WOD can be adjusted down). I have read about other aircraft turning at the LSO platform (probably older aircraft landing on older carriers) but this illustrates that one has to adjust to achieve the desired outcome. Anyway give turning base earlier a try. HTH.

Pilots experienced under differing WOD conditions will adjust their base turn as required - hence good to know WOD before the break.

Sludge:
Digit...


--- Quote ---Maybe I'm turning too steep using the round down and not steep enough using the .1nm method?
--- End quote ---

Yes, you've seemed to stumble onto the right answer for FSX. The best I can tell, if you EASILY roll into a 20-25 AoB bank (and on-speed) at the round-down and hold that 'til the 90, this should set you up for a better start. At the 90, you should be around 1.2NM passing into 1.1 and then as you cross "the 45" (at 1.0/0.9), your TACAN pointer should come across the velocity vector/E-Bracket at a 45 deg angle from high right to lower left. This will show you to keep your turn in and that you should roll out on final bearing as needed around 0.7NM HUD TACAN.

Those are the "training wheel" numbers for the pattern that I try to do and it usually works. BTW, I have 27 kts WoD (15 kts ship's speed/12 kts wind down the angled deck) total.

Hope that helps.

Later
Sludge

Victory103:
Pulled this out of NATOPS for Hornet.

With a 30-knot wind over the deck begin the 180° turn to the final approach when approximately
abeam the LSO platform.

SpazSinbad:
Thought it looked familiar. :-)

Legacy Hornet NATOPS page 355

"8.2.10 Landing Pattern. Refer to Chapter 4, for carrier operating limitations.

CAUTION
Carrier landing with more than 500 pounds in the centerline fuel tank is prohibited.

While maneuvering to enter the traffic pattern, attempt to determine the sea state. This information will be of value in predicting problems that may be encountered during the approach and landing.

Enter the carrier landing pattern (figure 8-2) with the hook down. Make a level break from a course parallel to the Base Recovery Course (BRC), close aboard to the starboard of the ship. Below 250 knots lower the gear and flaps. Descend to 600 feet when established downwind and prior to the 180° position. Complete the landing checklist and crosscheck angle-of-attack and proper airspeed. Pitch trim is set to 8.1° AOA when autopilot is disengaged while in the PA configuration if AOA is greater than 6.0°.

With a 30-knot wind over the deck begin the 180° turn to the final approach when approximately abeam the LSO platform. When the meatball is acquired, transmit “Call sign, Hornet, Ball or CLARA, fuel state (nearest 100 pounds) and auto” (if using ATC for approach). Refer to figure 8-3 for a typical Carrier Controlled Approach."

Sludge:
Herb...

Yeah, it looks like a problem installing Javier's carrier over the default carrier. I'm not sure how you can fix that...

Later
Sludge

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