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cmpbllsjc:
Aaron, here's a quote from John Nicole one of the team members from LM's P3D. This should help you understand their position a bit better.


--- Quote ---"Just to be clear (and trying not to sound defensive!). Anyone can purchase Prepar3D. We do not sell it as an entertainment product and the EULA talks about that, which means that it will not be appearing on the shelves of Best Buy next to Call of Duty any time soon..... I am not sure where the rumour started that we sell only to certain people, but anyone can buy it. It isn't about consumers, but end-use. If you are a pilot, simulation user, student, whatever and want to use it for familiarization, training, taxiing over bugs then go for it. If you are 10 or 110 it doesn't matter. If you want to use it at an arcade game, then buy something else. You can go to our website and purchase it with a credit card and download it. The commercial license version is $499 and we have added a considerable amount of features and made a lot of bug fixes to the code that we were fortunate enough to procure from Microsoft. A list of features can be found on our website at www.prepar3D.com. We certainly have added in bathymetry data to allow the use of submersibles and we have added in a few features for hard-core users that they should find interesting including true multi-channel (spreads the load of the image generator across multiple PCs), update to DirectInput 8 to allow up to 32 axes and 128 buttons per joystick, sensor views (night vision and infra-red), updated landclasses, GPS upgrades and so on. We have also updated and improved the SDK documentation and added more samples for developers. We are also going to be releasing an update version 1.2 of Prepar3D and the SDK in the next few weeks.

Those that are looking to test, integrate, develop, investigate etc and therefore do not require a full commercial license can subscribe for $9.95 per month and receive 2 copies of the software. That is an option that many people are taking and I would be glad to see more people come on board and see what they can do with the app! There are no restrictions to joining the developer network.

If people are using Prepar3D for commercial activities, then switching to the commercial license is appropriate and required.

For Victor, sorry that the website isn't clear enough. I will work with Lockheed communications to try to get some clarity on that. We are just a bunch of engineers and not necessarily the best at marketing!!"

Regards,
John Nicol
Prepar3D.


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AaronMyers:
Thanks for that post, and I'm happy to read that they seem to be on board with a wider audience than what the EULA seems to indicate. My issue is that a forum posting from one of the team members is not what would be used in a lawsuit concerning any license infringements, the EULA itself would be. That's it's purpose for existing. To clearly outline it's intended use, and to serve as support for enforcement where appropriate. So if what John has written below is how they see their product being used, then their EULA should reflect it. And until their legal documentation supports what they are posting in the forums I'm just a little confused how 3rd party vendors can release product against it.

Again, I'll let it go as I'm clearly in the minority, but I have found a fair amount of irony in how their EULA is being interpreted versus how other EULA infringements are interpreted.

Also, thanks for allowing the frank discussion about it as some other forums have not been quite as flexible. Some completely shut it down, others simply don't respond at all and it's nice to at least have some adult dialog about it.

cmpbllsjc:

--- Quote from: AaronMyers on January 07, 2012, 06:50:55 am ---Thanks for that post, and I'm happy to read that they seem to be on board with a wider audience than what the EULA seems to indicate. My issue is that a forum posting from one of the team members is not what would be used in a lawsuit concerning any license infringements, the EULA itself would be. That's it's purpose for existing. To clearly outline it's intended use, and to serve as support for enforcement where appropriate. So if what John has written below is how they see their product being used, then their EULA should reflect it. And until their legal documentation supports what they are posting in the forums I'm just a little confused how 3rd party vendors can release product against it.

Again, I'll let it go as I'm clearly in the minority, but I have found a fair amount of irony in how their EULA is being interpreted versus how other EULA infringements are interpreted.
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Yep, well it is what it is as they say. Although you could always look at it like this, one you download the program, install it and use it, no one from LM will ever know what you are doing with it or how you are using it. It's not like they are watching you on a web cam to see if you are using it for fun, training or actually developing for it. However, it's only up to you and if you feel it's too risky to get involved with due to the fact that you feel you aren't using it the way its intended despite what John Nicol posted.

I personally haven't used the platform yet as I am getting ready to do a whole computer upgrade sometime in the near future and am very happy with the way FSX performs on my current set up, so I imagine I will only be happier after my next build/upgrade. At some point in the future maybe they will sell another type of license that will appeal to a wide audience of simmers and word the EULA differently so that people dont need to be so concerned about it. Maybe if/when it becomes more mainstream and there are even greated benefits to using it over FSX then I will take a look at it as well.



--- Quote from: AaronMyers on January 07, 2012, 06:50:55 am ---Also, thanks for allowing the frank discussion about it as some other forums have not been quite as flexible. Some completely shut it down, others simply don't respond at all and it's nice to at least have some adult dialog about it.

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This isn't the ORBX forum where topics get locked or deleted and a fairly rapid rate if they aren't endorsed by the ORBX personal. Umberto and his team are pretty lenient about what we can discuss here as long as it doesn't get out of control with a bunch of foul language and personal attacks.

Left seat:
Aaron,

If you don't feel comfortable about the EULA for the $9.99 version then you can always buy the $499 version and clear your conscience. The point I'm trying to make is that prepar3d is giving you a choice.  ;)

FLIGHTCOMPANY:
Yeah, the 9.99 is nice but I am that person who likes one time purchases. Hopefully overtime as more simmers join, P3D might lower their commercial price.

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