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Greenie Board Possibilities?
micro:
During CQ touch and go’s are required to simulate bolters. In the past there have been s#!t-hot SNA’s who did trap every time with their hook down and never got to experience a bolter. So the “bounces” are required so that everyone knows what its like to not catch a wire. Now, LSO’s can decide to make the experience even more like a real bolter by calling out “bolter” when the jet hits the deck. From what I understand, it’s really just a matter of preference to the people on the platform.
SpazSinbad:
This is not the case. Firstly usually two touch and goes are done for first ever deck landings then the arrests/cats follow. It is a big deal to put the hook down and then arrest and catapult for the first time. The touch and goes are for the pilot to get a look at the deck for the first time and LSO to look at the student doing that safely.
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Good story here by a now 'old/bold' NeptunusLex (just now getting back to civvie/military aviation after retiring as a Captain USN with time at 'TopGun' & as LSO):
First CQ
"Hook up for two touch and goes..." & "...Then the order from the Air Boss: "925, hook down." I lowered the tailhook, and started my third approach...."
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"...Three more landings just like that and I would be done, a qual.
I don't remember any of them. It is all a blur of violence and noise.
But that was the point of all the training at the field, the simulators, lectures and flights. They taught us to be predictable, to listen to the LSO's unhesitatingly, to operate a high performance jet on an almost instinctual level, on brain stem power.
But I do remember hearing four short words just after my last cat shot, and my "bingo" to the beach: "925 you're a qual."
No sweeter words were ever heard."
http://homepage.mac.com/lexl/iblog/C744401703/E226842115/index.html
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Becoming a Tail-Hooker Apr 1, 2011 By Fred George | San Diego
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2011/04/04/AW_04_04_2011_p86-303846.xml&headline=Becoming a Tail-Hooker&channel=awst
"...Eight seconds after the lead aircraft broke left, Thompson also snapped his Goshawk into the overhead break. He extended landing gear and flaps, and led down to 600 ft. on the downwind leg. But he left his tail hook retracted. The first two landings on the Nimitz would be touch-and-goes to give the landing signal officer (LSO or “paddles”) final checks of Thompson’s flying skills before OK’ing his first attempt at an arrested landing...."
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"...After the second touch-and-go pass, he heard, “Three two zero. Hook down next pass,”
from the LSO, confirming Thompson was ready for his first “trap” on the boat...."
SpazSinbad:
Gif Graphic from PDF below:
http://www.wings-of-gold.com/cnatra/instructions/CNATRA3740.9Dwch1234%20-%20Pumpkin.pdf
micro:
ok
micro:
Fine, for the fun of it lets break it down:
--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on August 29, 2011, 07:26:34 am ---This is not the case.
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Really? What in your references contradicts what I said?
--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on August 29, 2011, 07:26:34 am ---Firstly usually two touch and goes are done for first ever deck landings then the arrests/cats follow.
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Yep, I kind of mentioned that.
--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on August 29, 2011, 07:26:34 am ---It is a big deal to put the hook down and then arrest and catapult for the first time.
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No kidding. So do you think practicing a bolter PRIOR to that by doing a touch and go might be important? Furthermore, if you have a "firstly" in your argument you should have a "secondly", which you do not.
--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on August 29, 2011, 07:26:34 am ---The touch and goes are for the pilot to get a look at the deck for the first time and LSO to look at the student doing that safely.
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So the hook being up somehow increases the level of saftey during the approach? No. If the pilot isn't flying it right, they get waved off, period. Hook down or not.
You seem to have a tendancy to tell people on this forum that "this is not the case", or "you are lined up wrong", or whatever you choose to criticize on that particular day. This, in combination with your obsession with the hook bypass switch, is earning you a place very near James Chams on this forum. How about you stop trying to pick fights? Or are you going to prove your point with yet ANOTHER PDF file?
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