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FSX ‘OK 3 Wire’ Carrier Land Video & NATOPS URLs
trent:
Awesome stuff Spaz, reading through the CV-NATOPS now. Particularly fond of the information in sections 6.4.2.2 and .3:
--- Quote ---6.2.4.2 Downwind Leg and Approach Turn
The landing pattern downwind leg is flown at 600 feet, 1 to 1-1/2 nm abeam the ship’s stern. Aircraft in the VFR Day
Landing Pattern should be established in the intended landing configuration, wings level at 600 feet with landing
checklist complete by the 180. At the 180, the aircraft should begin the approach turn and gradual descent to pass
the 90-degree position at 450 to 500 feet. The pilot should continue the approach turn until intercepting the extended
centerline of the ship’s angled deck and acquire the optical landing system meatball image. The approach turn from
the 180 to the start should take 45 seconds.
6.2.4.3 Groove and Touchdown
The aircraft should roll wings level on centerline with a centered ball to allow a 15 – 18 second groove before aircraft
touchdown on deck. At touchdown the pilot shall add power as appropriate, and prepare to bolter. Following
arrestment, the pilot shall follow the instructions of the aircraft directors and comply with the procedures in NAVAIR
00-80T-120 (CV Flight/Hangar Deck NATOPS manual).
--- End quote ---
I don't think I've read those times anywhere else (180 to start = 45 seconds, groove = 15-18 seconds) -- very helpful!
SpazSinbad:
trent, OK thanks. Good to know CV NATOPS PDF is downloadable AND helpful. ;D The three PDFs in first post are in the 2GB PDF where these things you mentioned are mentioned over and over and over in some form or tuther (same as most carrier circuit diagrams on this forum which are mostly from NATOPS for that aircraft - there used to be Super Hornet diagrams - more or less same as Hornet diagrams, but these have often been deleted along with all the other good Super gen in deleted threads, this is why I generalise necessarily). Unless CV NATOPS says information is for a specific aircraft then it is general in nature, applying to all current aircraft AFAIK. The highest quality video in first post above is also included in 2GB PDF hence large file size.
Sludge:
Spaz...
No worries. IF I woulda just read it, I wouldve been fine. If you wanna make the cautions more noticeable, yeah, but since I didnt read the initial cautions, I'm the only one to blame.
Trent...
--- Quote ---At the 180, the aircraft should begin the approach turn and gradual descent to pass
the 90-degree position at 450 to 500 feet.
--- End quote ---
Do keep in mind the differences with FSX and real-world. I have never been able to hit 450'-500' AT THE 90 when flying patterns. If you can, please let me know your setup. I'm guessing there might be a way to do it, but you'd have to be around 1.0 TCN at the abeam with about 20 kts boat speed and 18+ kts wind speed down the final bearing. Then make your turn as soon as you see the "round-down" maintaining a full 30 AoB throughout. I figure that's because the FSX meatball and all ICLS needles are programmed for a 4.0 carrier glideslope and the carriers are set for 24-25 kts? I believe all these factors will put your numbers higher than in real life.
In example, when I'm at the 90... I'm passing 550 MSL, 1.2 TCN, and my glideslope needle comes up and I'm right on glideslope. Thats with a carrier at 24 kts, 14 kts wind down final bearing (BRC - 9 deg)at 1.1 TCN Abeam, and started the 180 turn when I saw the round-down.
Keep us posted on your results. BTW, now do you see why I wanted Spaz' take? The man KNOWS CARRIER LANDINGS!!
Later
Sludge
SpazSinbad:
Concise OLD but still valid couple of video clips embedded in several PDF pages describe 'how to fly the ball' basic techniques. These pages are from previous very large PDF described top of this thread. At only 90Mbs it is value for money & FREE:
http://www.filefront.com/17349862/DeckLandingInstructionVideos.pdf/ (90Mb)
Best to use latest Adobe Reader 9.3.4 which I believe will be updated today 05 Oct 2010. Windows users will get best result. Use the 'Download Now' yellow button at FileFront.
SpazSinbad:
Carrier Landing Mishaps is a misleading title for this 1968 USN training video about? What else? Carrier Landings. This movie is otherwise about the causes showing details about how to deck land well (including how to catapult properly). I have been looking for actual Hornet training film without success:
http://www.archive.org/details/CarrierLandingMishaps
From 9 minutes 30 seconds approximately the details about 'how to carrier land' start.
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Down To The Wire is a terrific movie about new deck landers in T-2C Buckeyes.
http://www.archive.org/details/DownToTheWire
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Not seen this one: "Hook Down, Wheels Down - U.S. Navy (More Historical than How to Deck Land)
Produced in the early 1970s, "Hook Down, Wheels Down" was one of the most comprehensive (and expensive) films made by the U.S. Navy. It covers the history and development of the U.S. aircraft carrier, and does so through interviews with many of the men who made it happen. While dozens of aircraft carriers are featured, it is the USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67) that takes center stage -- and the material shot on her deck looks like it is right out of "Top Gun"...
http://www.archive.org/details/HookDownWheelsDown
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