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virtuali

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #105 on: July 08, 2025, 03:24:12 pm »
Would be interesting to hear what the true culprit was after all troubleshooting that has been going on here.

It's right there on the release notes.

It didn't had anything to do with the GSX code, which has always been perfectly fine, it didn't had anything to do with the Couatl engine either. Since lots of affected users confirmed it was fixed by rolling back to 3.5.6 fixed the problem, we have been assuming it was something in the code, the auto-restart, the way the Navdata is received, so we added several small changes trying to make GSX as inactive and lightweight as possible on final and on touchdown, but those didn't do much, because the GSX code never had a problem to begin with!

The problem was the OTHER thing added in 3.5.7, which is the Livery Manager.

It was handling the GSX replacement Pushback for the Asobo model, when it shouldn't have. That vehicle is a bit of a special case, since it has two slightly different variants in the same folder, one user by GSX proper, and one used only as a replacement for the default Asobo tug. The Livery Manager wasn't aware if this special case and it was treating it like any other multi-livery object, so when it was running (it's always started on every update, to resync all operators), it Disabled the Asobo-replacement variant, which is required by the Living World and the AirportServices, in all cases when you don't use GSX.

Apparently, MSFS tries to populate the airport with default ground vehicles when touching down (GSX waits until you slowdown to do that with *its* own vehicles, either when you pre-select a gate in flight or the airport has static VGDS), and the failure to find the object which was disabled by the Livery Manager apparently cause the lag. I have no idea why I was never able to replicate it, maybe it requires a certain amount of installed packages to appear.

Now we separated the "real" GSX pushback from the "Asobo-replacement" variants in two separate folders, and the Livery Manager now knows it shouldn't touch the Asobo variant anymore.

The most englighting post were those from Driver8, who hinted that in fact, the addition of Livery Manager was also something added in 3.5.7, and other reports saying the default Pushback (replaced by GSX, but still a default) disappeared. In fact, the missing default Pushback was the real bug, the touchdown lag was just a side-effect of it.

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #106 on: July 08, 2025, 04:10:12 pm »
I did check the release notes but wasn't perfectly clear to me what the actual culprit was and how it was addressed.

Great you were able to figure out what was happening and how to fix it in your software to sort the issue 👍

Looking forward to try 3.5.9 out  :)
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #107 on: July 08, 2025, 07:00:41 pm »
Sounds great. Will test it later :)

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #108 on: July 08, 2025, 10:17:06 pm »
I tested 3.5.9 and the stutter/lag on touchdown is gone. <3

In my case, the performance on ground is not as good, like it was with 3.5.6. Is that possible?


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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #109 on: July 08, 2025, 10:20:14 pm »
Freeze gone here as well using 3.5.9 and didn't notice any difference in performance on the ground.

It was a small airport I flew into tonight though, so if there is a decrease in performance for whatever reason using 3.5.9, it might be more evident at larger and more complex airports.
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #110 on: July 09, 2025, 05:49:04 am »
Just landed with the new version and I'm happy to say there was no stutter on touchdown.  Worked peerfectly

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #111 on: July 09, 2025, 07:19:19 am »
Hi Virtuali,

Just wanted to let you know that the latest update has resolved the issue on my side.

Thank you for the support and quick fix!

Best regards,

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #112 on: July 09, 2025, 08:43:56 am »
Awesome news, glad to hear the issue was found and resolved! 

I am looking forward to giving 3.5.9 a try, though it probably won't be until Thursday.  Based on the reports so far though it sounds like it'lll be smooth sailing :)

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #113 on: July 09, 2025, 02:04:41 pm »
Should we put our aircraft.cfg files back to how they were now? I know in a few places they said to disable all but jetways under the Services section. I did that with the FSL A321NEO and the iniBuilds A350. It does it not even matter?
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #114 on: July 09, 2025, 02:30:33 pm »
Not sure if and when those entires are required but mine are back to default now after 3.5.9 was released.
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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #115 on: July 09, 2025, 02:45:16 pm »
You can restore the aircraft.cfg, considering the problem was the default Pushback, it's likely the only setting that used to make any difference before, was the pushback.

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #116 on: July 09, 2025, 06:40:53 pm »
I can also confirm that after installing the latest update, the mini stuttering that I was getting on touchdown disappeared.

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #117 on: July 10, 2025, 09:02:40 am »
Is there something else we need to do besides update to the latest version? editing the aircraft CFGs fixed the issue for me however after updating to the latest version of GSX and using an aircraft with an un-edited aircraft.cfg, I got the 5sec lag on touchdown again. Aircraft was the TFDI MD-11 PW. Landing in KSFO. Was I supposed to do something with the livery manager in GSX after updating?

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #118 on: July 11, 2025, 12:08:48 am »
I restored all my settings in both the aircraft.cfg and in the sim to what they were previous to all the testing, updated GSX, rebooted my PC, and now can report that, as expected, i had no freezes at all at touchdown flying back to KSTL from KBNA!  I'll continue to do some more flights over the weekend, but from what i can see, i can confirm this is all fixed for me as well.  Thanks again!

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Re: Touch Down Shutters 1-2 sec apause
« Reply #119 on: July 11, 2025, 10:46:15 pm »
Still getting the stutter with 3.5.9 :(
It's not a multi seconds freeze, its a 0.5-1 sec "lag" but it is still there.
Fortunately I'm able to work around this by editing the aircraft.cfg files. Anything I could have missed after updating? I wonder why it's working for some people...