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Sludge Hornet Modifications
Sludge:
Subs...
--- Quote ---So if you compare an F-15 from back then to an SU27 back then my answer is the F-15 would win because of the technological advantage that the F-15 had over the SU27 and also the pilots were better trainned and did alot more flying than the Soviet counter parts.
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I disagree with your premises, w/the facts that the Soviets were not poorly trained, had "off boresight" systems when the US knew nothing of the sort, AND the SU-27 could turn with anything except an F-16 at max corner speed. The Russians provided very good expertise (albeit "mercenary" expertise) in your afforementioned "Eritrea vs. Ethiopea" war.
Here's an article (excerpt from AirForces Monthly magazine, volume August 2000 w/conclusion) that shoots down the "export" version of missiles, holds up your theory of in-close missile engagements (they were Russian R-73/AA-11 Archers) and supports my contention that the SU-27 is a great in-close "merged" dogfigher (SU-27 "OWNED" MiG-29s in the E-E air war). It also shows what a difference the Russian trainers made FOR the Ethiopian air forces. Once the Ruskies pulled chocks, the Ethiopian airforce fell apart.
http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=138&Itemid=47
Later
Sludge
SUBS17:
But the other point to note here is that the SU27 at the time was quite new so I doubt that they had fully discovered its capabilitys either that or the pilots may have been new to the aircraft and less inclined to pull any fancy manouvers. BTW Soviets didn't invent the Cobra manouver either the Sweedes did. Its nothing new since it was done at air shows since the 1960s the Cobra turn and the Kulbit seem the better moves to use for a dogfight. It would be cool to be able to pull this in a flight sim without scripting and with an advanced flight model such as the SU25T in Lockon or the VRS F/A-18E in FSX have quite advanced FM that are not scripted. The cool thing about the VRS SH is being able to do the Pirouette which is a very useful move in a dogfight. I'd expect when ED does a DCS Mig29 or SU27 then you'll definately see some interesting dogfights as it is in LO you push K at the right parameters to execute the cobra although it is scripted it still looks cool. In LO you also have the Helmet Mounted Sight so you can do off boresight shots with the R73(up to 67 deg). I think you'll have alot of fun with LO just remember to buy a Trakir otherwise you'll learn the hard way like I did in MP. ;D
The question nowdays is which is better the F22 or the T50?
wilycoyote4:
At the risk of being both off topic and disrespectful by posting a report of a payware FSX native SU-27 about to be released I offer the info as there are so many discussions in this thread of the SU-27.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=40309
announcement made 26 July
SUBS17:
That'll make a good target for the VRS Superhornet when the tacpack is released. ;D
Sludge:
Wily...
Actually, I think its a good posting, cause it will be good to dogfight against the Sludge Hornet and the VRS and see what the results are. Granted the SU-27 and the Sludge Hornet dont have a "bullseye" to call shots from, but we can do visual calls (ie, "Hornet 2, fox 2 kill Flanker, left hand turn 22k.") when in a multiplayer session.
BTW, Subs... Ill take the Flanker and toast you in a dogfight in a multiplayer session. I'll even use FRAPS, so everyone here can throw in their opinion on the "validity" of my shot calls when I make them.
Later
Sludge
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