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Sludge Hornet Modifications
SUBS17:
--- Quote from: SpazSinbad on September 25, 2010, 11:27:24 pm ---Back to FSX and the SLUDGE (Hornet). Using the Sludge or default Hornet is what this forum is about. Talking about other aircraft is useful but not really in the realm of this forum. I'll refuse to use any other Hornet in FSX except the SLUDGE. ;D
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Thats quite a narrow point of view considering that there are other addons for FSX that are as good as the accel hornet or even better and to not consider those addons you are missing out definately on some absolute works of art such as the T45 Goshawk and the VRS Superhornet. I know its OT but technically I've found its good to look at the detail on all the sims aircraft and addons to get an idea of just what is the ultimate and how to get it applied to peoples favourite sim addon. You'll definately find that the opposite happens on the forums of such addons don't be surprised if Sludges hornets name doesn't come up. On the Jet combat sim forums such as DCS and Open Falcon we often have similar discussions which often inspires devs to improve sims and the technology competitively.
SpazSinbad:
subs17, perhaps I get tired of voicing my opinion but that is only what is - what else can it be. The moderator has made it clear what this forum is about.
If I have not tried other NavAv aircraft in FSX this has been made clear. How can I comment on something not tried except to point out that sometimes other aircraft are hogging frame rates (as reported by others <gasp> on this very forum). If you have been reading this forum for some time, and I believe you have I have, I've also made it clear that the T-45C Goshawk is a gem, especially when teamed with the new Hornet HUD. This and the SLUDGE would be my picks. Others can pick their own but I'll stress again it has been made clear to me that this forum is about the Acceleration Hornet. Perhaps this is not clear to you.
I'm not looking for argument - just voicing my opinion - and see it in that light only. I'll guess that other forums exist where aircraft of different types can be compared and in other sims but I'll wager if too much is about NOT the Acceleration Hornet this thread will disappear as other threads have been deleted in the past (with some very good uploads by me about stuff to do with either the Hornet or Super Hornet [NATOPS] or the Goshawk). I'm not in the business of repeating mistakes. I'm not making the rules here and I've seen threads deleted because rules not obeyed. The moderator may have a different view - that is my take on it though.
In the same way people can fly a carrier/FCLP pattern however they wish and with whatever aircraft. Good luck to them.
And I'm not surprised that the SLUDGE is favoured in other forums. That is for good reason. ;D
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This is what the moderator had to say recently (after some valuable posts were removed - the good went with 'the bad' - sadly):
“This board is called "Unofficial F/A-18 Acceleration Pack board”
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=2991.0
“Which is why, any discussion related to other products that do not have anything to do with the Acceleration F/A-18, are considered to be off topic, and will be removed.
virtuali
Administrator”
Sludge:
CAPT...
--- Quote from: capthaltli on September 24, 2010, 08:42:09 pm ---What do you guys think of the look of the fuel dump effect? Can this effect be made to be on at all times (no fuel dumping) and in the correct location (engines)?
-Capt
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Good to hear from ya. Ill give your idea a try and see what happens. If its good enough, I'll post some pics and get feedback from the forum.
Spaz...
--- Quote from: SUBS17 on September 26, 2010, 02:29:16 am ---Thats quite a narrow point of view considering that there are other addons for FSX that are as good as the accel hornet or even better and to not consider those addons you are missing out definately on some absolute works of art such as the T45 Goshawk and the VRS Superhornet. I know its OT but technically I've found its good to look at the detail on all the sims aircraft and addons to get an idea of just what is the ultimate and how to get it applied to peoples favourite sim addon. You'll definately find that the opposite happens on the forums of such addons don't be surprised if Sludges hornets name doesn't come up. On the Jet combat sim forums such as DCS and Open Falcon we often have similar discussions which often inspires devs to improve sims and the technology competitively.
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As I told Orion, dont waste your time. All you'll get is "blah, blah, VRS this... LockOn that... DCS this... T-45 that..." and he'll never just agree to disagree. I mean, I know that the Sludge Hornet mods are a "niche" product that are NOT talked about on most other forums, but thats OK with me and everyone here, I think. No big deal. I dont do this for money, or praise, or whatever... I do it 'cause I love modding the default Hornet to get as close to real as can possibly be done within our known limitations; and even tho is a I dont wanna pay good money for the VRS frame rate killer. Plus, contrary to what SUBS is portraying them as, VRS is not a friendly bunch that takes criticism well... all I did was CORRECTLY point out that the 'Bug is "too light" on approach (~75% N2 vs NATOPS 85%-88% N2) and suggested a quick fix to mod the gear and flaps drag to correct the problem. That led to a knock-down/drag-out forum fight between me and one the designers at "pompous-#$$ central", Alvaro/JACN, who even after PROVEN WRONG by LCDR ROLEX who verified the CORRECT N2 NUMBERS in a REAL LIFE SUPERHORNET SIM wouldn't apologize for either being incorrect or his condescending behavior. I dare you to tell me I'm lying SUBS, and be able to back it up. So no, the other forums, particularly VRS, are not as all-loving and open as SUBS INCORRECTLY portrays them... especially if you aren't sucking up to them about how great their product is.
BTW, Since I forgot to tell ya... GREAT comments on Trent's pattern and landing. That was pretty much what I was hoping for, and a little bit more (for myself), including the links with the perspective of how to be a good LSO and tell the pilot his mistakes as how HE IS SEEING THEM THRU THE COCKPIT. When I did those weekend LSOs, I was doing it from the plat cam LSO point-of-view, but with this new understanding, I think my grading will get better in the way of providing better insight for the pilot from my debrief. Also, your reinforcing comments about CORRECT ERRORS QUICKLY above all else kinda rattled my cage, as I have been "slipping" into the smooth USAF landing style category myself. Ill get that fixed. Also hoping to get the weekend sessions going again, those were alot of fun. That is still one of the most read threads on FSDT.
Trent...
Man, you have a quick learning curve and alot of passion for NavAv. I remember having many of the same questions when I started here. If you wanna see our learning curve, go and read our big weekend multiplayer mission thread: http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=2525.0, then see how much we all learned to get to this point. I mean everything from how to fly the pattern, what the correct comms are, what is an OK 3 vs. FAIR 3 vs. No-Grade 4, whats a good carrier speed/wind speed/wind direction, all things FSX naval aviation plus some good buffoonery in the videos.
Later
Sludge
Razgriz:
If you have bought the SBug and have access to their private support forum, read what Sludge is talking about (with JACN and LCDR Rolex, ex F/A-18D pilot):
http://forums.vrsimulations.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2924
and
http://forums.vrsimulations.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3070&p=22733
SUBS17:
From my own observations of that post there is a few things that are clear:
--- Quote ---A 100% Realistic Thrust vs N1/N2 RPMs curves is not included in the "SE" version list of features. If enough info about the engine is available perhaps a more accurate compressor map will be implemented for the PRO.
No, just plain ground effect. It´s based on some extrapolations from similar real aircrafts models. If you have better info that can lead into a more realistic model (based on real figures), feel free to PM me.
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I see alot of this and have even made the mistake of making similar comments on other forums at the end of the day everyone is wanting a better more realistic aircraft and in the case of VRS their devs stated that if you have better info then send them a pm. we had similar problems when comparing Lockons with Falcon4s FM in the past and often this comes up from time to time on most jet combat sim forums. On the one hand I can see where Sludge is coming from on the other from the point of view of the devs they needed something more solid than an opinion eg data. The good thing is that VRS are going to do a more detailed FM in the future for the pro version. Other things to point out is that when comparing the VRS SH for FS9 and FSX to Lockon, Falcon 4/AF/OF, Janes F/A-18E and FSX stock Hornet. The VRS has the most detailed FM of any sim I've ever flow for a PC game it quite simply is far more detailed the only sims that compare are Lockon FCs SU25T and DCS BlackShark. In detail I mean not only the performance but the requirement to trim in small inputs the pirouette and UA/PA modes. Its good that there are people like Sludge modding the accel Hornet bringing the best out of the sim for the good of the community.
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