Entering VR Can Break MSFS Menus with GSX Pro

[virtuali]

GSX is not highlighted in the toolbar so it doesn't pop up and go into VR mode and it will not load. 

Please clarify what do you mean with "will not load". The menu won't enable itself, unless you left it enabled from the previous flight.

So, with "will not load", do you mean you expected to be automatically reopened as soon as you switch in VR ? Because it's not supposed to do that, you must open it manually on entering a flight and then, all subsequent opening/closing can be done using the GSX Hotkey.

[FunktasticLucky]

I mean the main fs menu or toolbar at the top.  The recommendation from the other thread you merged with this one was to make sure you disable gsx in the toolbar before going to vr and then reenabling afewe you get into VR.

But like this post is reporting, the menus are broken. They are essentially invisible.  This only happens with GSX enabled. I'm not sure if you programmed some work around to keep the GSX menu open or to overwrite some UI element in MSFS. But GSX is completely breaking the main menu and toolbar in VR. When this occurs it also causes the sim to hang when exiting your flight.

So you're in VR with invisible menus. So exit VR to get the menus back and exit the flight back to main menu and it hangs going back. Infinite load screen. You have to force close MSFS.

I'm going to roll back to an older Pimax Play and reinstall and configure my crystal and report back here.

[virtuali]

I'm not sure if you programmed some work around to keep the GSX menu open or to overwrite some UI element in MSFS.

And it's precisely why I AM sure we haven't touched ANY stick MSFS file that I said it's not happening.

But GSX is completely breaking the main menu and toolbar in VR. When this occurs it also causes the sim to hang when exiting your flight.

GSX doesn't break anything. Maybe you have installed *another* add-on that DO overwrite the stock UI files from MSFS ?

So you're in VR with invisible menus. So exit VR to get the menus back and exit the flight back to main menu and it hangs going back. Infinite load screen. You have to force close MSFS.

I tested it today again, no issues whatsoever. Pressing TAB shows or hide the main toolbar, as usual, and everything works normally. Please provide AGAIN precise, exact, reproduction steps, so I'll it try it again, maybe you are doing something I'm not.

[FunktasticLucky]

GSX doesn't break anything. Maybe you have installed *another* add-on that DO overwrite the stock UI files from MSFS ?

That's the thing. The only Addon installed PMDG 737-800 and the A2A comanche.  I emptied my Community folder and reinstalled GSX and fired up the 787, 747, and a Cessna 172. No menus or toolbar.  I go and deactivate GSX and boom. Menus and toolbar work like they are supposed to.

Running the latest Windows 11 24H2 build running Pimax software version 1.33.

[virtuali]

No menus or toolbar.  I go and deactivate GSX and boom. Menus and toolbar work like they are supposed to.

Running the latest Windows 11 24H2 build running Pimax software version 1.33.

As I've said,  I tested this multiple times, and cannot reproduce it.

Something so obvious should be easy to reproduce it but, as I've said, not only I have the normal menu toolbar fully working, but I can even enter/exit from VR with CTRL+Enter multiple times, even in the middle of a Pushback, the menus keep working, and everything's working.

[Sharpsolver]

Hello!

Sorry for the double post, I now found the longer thread I was looking for:

I use this older threat, as the issue is the same and loads of users are experiencing exactly this problem.
Until now, all admins replied, that the problem could not be reproduced - I can now tell you what causes it but not how to solve it.

Everytime I use a big airport in MSFS 2020 for example EGLL oder KLAX (both Asobo) with many sim objects (obiously more than the magic 1000 sim objects) and switch to VR, the toolbar cannot be opened anymore and the sim will hang up when trying to return to main menu, Couatl restart not possible in the most cases, and if a restart happens, no difference in the behaviour.
 This is easy to reproduce.

GSX deavtivated -> problem "solved"

None of the tips in the manual (page 97 and following pages) made a difference.

Any solutions or suggestions?

Best regards!
Christoph

[Sharpsolver]

Any ideas?

As many users, I am tired of the repeated problems always in combination with GSX.
I understand, that the software is complex, but for the price customers can expect a working solution.

[virtuali]

As many users, I am tired of the repeated problems always in combination with GSX.
I understand, that the software is complex, but for the price customers can expect a working solution.

You already replied with the correct answer:

Everytime I use a big airport in MSFS 2020 for example EGLL oder KLAX (both Asobo) with many sim objects (obiously more than the magic 1000 sim objects) and switch to VR, the toolbar cannot be opened anymore and the sim will hang up when trying to return to main menu, Couatl restart not possible in the most cases, and if a restart happens, no difference in the behaviour.

This is you realizing GSX is not the problem, having reached the max Simobject limit was.

The problem is your solution of disabling GSX, because you thought GSX "caused" the problem, but the real issue is you were already close to the limit with such huge airports, GSX will obviously need to add its own objects to work so, what solution you'd expect from GSX, other than what is already explained in the manual at Page 96, the Missing Objects chapter, which:

- Explains the problem

- Clarifies it's a result of the contribution of ALL your running addons.

- Suggest some solutions to reduce GSX's OWN contribution to the limit.

[Sharpsolver]

Unfortunately the few objects GSX adds make no difference , this is why the suggested solutions just dont work.In have no other addons running, esp no traffic injector.
There is no chance to predict, which airport will be too large besides trial and error .

A list of non compatible airports and the possibility to deactivate GSX manually via the configuration menu for certain airports would help .

A self deactivation of GSX when reaching.the limit would be less annoying than a complete hangup of the Sim after a long and complex flight.
So thats what I would expect for example.

[virtuali]

A list of non compatible airports and the possibility to deactivate GSX manually via the configuration menu for certain airports would help .

You can do that since years, as explained at Page 78 of the manual, with two different ways of disable an airport.

However, that won't make much difference comparing to "just" NOT calling GSX, because GSX doesn't add ANY objects until AFTER you call some service.

With a notable exceptions: VGDS (and Airport Walkers, but they are not that common) in GSX Airport profiles: the static version of the VGDS is created before you call GSX, that is precisely why disabling the creation of the static version is one of the suggestions in the manual.

[Sharpsolver]

I gave all the suggestions for troubleshooting regarding this Problem in VR  a last try not to forget  an option - nothing worked !
So I finally decided to completely deactivate GSX and to avoid FSDT products in the future.

I wouldnt even have a problem, if GSX just would not work when reaching limits of the Sim as you explain the bug.
But making the whole sim unusable  in large airports is a different dimension, especially because it is absolutely unpredictable, WHEN the airport will be too big.

I cant remember any advice or warning in your trailers and advertisement , that GSX might crash the Sim in large airports...

No other addon I know has a similar problem with the sim objects limit or at least does not crash the sim because of that!

Always blaming other software for your poor work is your usual justification a sigifcant number of (ex)customers is finally tired of!

Remember, arrogance usually comes before the fall!